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    It was a difficult enough fight to get Black Jesus to stop corporations pushing this through so it I think we may be fucked this time.
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    Ending Net Neutrality is the Atom Bomb in Trump's War on the Truth

    Will Bunch
    November 24, 2017
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    It’s so fitting that the Trump administration announced what may prove to be its most democracy-altering decision yet — a push by the pro-Trump Federal Communications Commission to end so-called net neutrality on the internet — on the Tuesday afternoon flowing into Peak Thanksgiving. It was as if the government wanted an overfed nation overdosing on tryptophan and TV blowouts of the Dallas Cowboys to nap through the news that the giant corporations of Big Telecom are about to gain massive control over the information that Americans consume, until it is just too late for regular folks to rally opposition to the latest episode of “Big Brother: America” from our reality-show president. Simply put, Team Trump didn’t want the average American to have good information about what is fast becoming the defining feature of our 45th presidency: It doesn’t want the public to have good information.

    The cloud of chaos emanating from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue these days makes it easy to lose the big picture. When the president of the United States is getting up before sunrise to Twitter-trash-talk a basketball dad (who, like most of Trump’s targets these days, just happens to be black) with an inane racist comparison to Don King, or arguing that it’s better in Alabama to vote “perv” than vote “Democrat,” while no actual legislation is getting passed, it’s easy to get lost in the hourly outrage cycle and view The Donald as an unhinged nut, his presidency in flames.

    But behind the smoke and mirrors, Trump World is getting stuff done — bad stuff, like the gutting of many major regulations that once protected our environment, or the toxic police-state culture created by “taking the gloves off” ICE enforcement agents or your local cops, or installing regressive judges across the land. But the defining feature of Donald Trump’s presidency is its all-encompassing war on the truth. The tactic is the stream of lies that the president spews — sometimes dozens in a week. But the broader strategy is equally alarming: Trump hopes to extend and expand his reign of dishonesty by remaking the media landscape with fewer, diminished sources of valid facts, elevating the handful of outlets that worship our Dear Leader (Sinclair, Fox) while seeking to destroy the credibility and reputation of everyone else.


    Trump’s big, bad idea is so universal it can embrace ideas that seem to be contradictions — until you look a little closer. How else to explain the fact that the FCC — controlled by a majority of pro-Trump commissioners — is, with its all-but-a-done-deal rollback of net neutrality, giving the gift of a lifetime to monster communication companies like Philadelphia-based Comcast, Verizon and AT&T. Yet at the same time Trump’s Justice Department seems to be taking an anti-big-business stance in opposing the planned merger of AT&T and Time-Warner without the spin-off of key assets like Time-Warner’s CNN, the bete noir of Trump’s rabid fan base.

    But there’s been widespread (and seemingly informed) speculation that the government’s merger move has little to do with its usually pro-business ideology and everything to do with old-fashioned revenge against the news outlet that Trump has called “the Fake News Network” and accused of treating him so unfairly (despite considerable evidence of the exact opposite). There’s no smoking gun, but pro-Trump news outlets like the Daily Caller and the New York Post have quoted sources that Trump would love to oust CNN chief Jeff Zucker, and other journalists have labored to find a reason for trying to block the merger other than presidential spite. So basically Team Trump wants fewer outlets controlling the news — and it wants those that survive to, in the immortal words of Omarosa Manigault, “bow down to President Trump.”

    Hatred for, and the stifling of, a free press and free flow of information is the glue that holds the Trump presidency — and the 36 percent who support him — together. Consider these droplets:



    • In addition to its net neutrality push, the FCC has also adopted a series of rules that will dramatically expand the reach of Sinclair Broadcasting into a coast-to-coast behemoth (including, at least for now, Philadelphia’s Channel 17) and allow it to reshape your local TV news away from community journalism and toward its relentlessly pro-Trump political agenda, with one-size-fits-all Trumpian commentary and inane “terrorism alert desk.”
    • Trump’s Justice Department seems to be sending a chilling message to rank-and-file journalists — and especially alternative journalists on the left more likely to be critical of the president — with its shocking decision to pursue felony “rioting” charges that could lead to a 10-year prison sentence for a Texas photojournalist named Alexei Wood. Wood covered a destructive melee on Trump’s inauguration day and his apparent “crime” was going “wooo” as he filmed an act of vandalism, not very smart but not anywhere near the ballpark of criminality.
    • These official acts come against a constant drumbeat from Trump seeking to delegitimatize journalism and the First Amendment at least in the eyes of his own supporters, calling hard-working reporters “the enemy of the American people,” threatening to relax libel laws amid the dream of forcing more outlets to go out of business like Gawker, and disrupting the news cycle with increasingly off-his-meds 6 a.m. tweets.



    But the end of net neutrality would mean Trump and his allies are going nuclear in their war on information. Without the controls adopted by past incarnations of the FCC, your internet carrier would be free to charge you more for certain content; imagine if Comcast or Verizon started charging you for packages of accelerated and accessible websites — a “news” package with CNN.com and Philly.com or a “sports” package with league websites or Deadspin. (That’s how they do it now in countries like Portugal that don’t have net neutrality.)

    Without net neutrality in Portugal, mobile internet is bundled like a cable package https://t.co/IwAnwW8f1s

    — Pamela Curry (@pcurry57) November 22, 2017
    There’s more. An internet provider would have the power to slow down the delivery of sites (presumably ones that don’t pay or offer other perks in return for high speed) and it could block some altogether — like, for example, that sites that are dedicated to complaints from customers of Comcast or other telecoms. To civil liberties groups like the ALCU, ending net neutrality isn’t just a way for billion-dollar companies to squeeze a few extra bucks from consumers, but “also one of the foremost free speech issues of our time.” In explaining its opposition, the ACLU writes: “After all, freedom of expression isn’t worth much if the forums where people actually make use of it are not themselves free.”

    Vice Motherboard’s Sam Gustin recently reported on why net neutrality is shaping up as the free speech issue of the Trump era, quoting Steven Renderos, an organizer for the Center for Media Justice: “Net neutrality is not simply about technology. It’s about the everyday people who use it and whether they will have the right to be heard online.”

    The stifling of good information creates a world in which citizens decide which version of “the truth” they want to believe, often with disastrous consequences — the fantasy world that Trump and his true believers covet. If you want to go to Ground Zero for the war on information, go to Alabama, where as much as half or more of the electorate won’t believe Senate candidate Roy Moore is a sexual predator because the allegations were reported in the Washington Post, one of the news outlets that our Oval Office authoritarian has decreed as “fake.”

    But a thousand Alabamas and a thousand Roy Moores will blossom across America’s political landscape in an era when the flow of information is even more tightly controlled by a handful of powerful corporations who can and will be bullied and intimidated by the White House. It’s critical for the future of American free speech and democracy that the net neutrality rollback be stopped, but with the rubber-stamp FCC preparing to vote on Dec. 14, there are few good options and virtually no time to stop this dictator move. The war on factual information and the truth is repulsive, but it’s not the most outrageous thing about the Trump presidency. The most outrageous thing is that Trump is winning.

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    The internet has become total shit. Facecrook, porn, Facecrook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
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    The internet has become total shit. Facecrook, porn, Facecrook.

    About time it fucking died.
    It always had porn, FFS! Are you a MySpace holdout?
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    Just wait until the Taxes start to really hit us all via our Access providers (AT&T,Verizon, and the rest of the backbone guys) that will be the beneficiaries of being able to control the FastLanes.

    Anybody that thinks that the Federal Govt. does not have that baked into the plan in the not so distant future has their head in the friggin sand!!!!

    Feds will say "Ok you guys can do what you want you want, but you have to continue to build more Fiber Routes in the name of Rural Broadband Expansion/5 G Deployments to better the country, oh and by the way here is a new tax you are gonna get hit with (which ultimately ends up in our monthly bill .)
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    GoDaddy pulled her golden shower site and she never got over it
    And you bigoted Bernie brats wonder why you lost and will continue to lose. You whiny fucks are who is truly responsible for this.

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    Google loses.

    It's so funny how the leftists want the MA Bell model.

    When we were starting a comm company back in 1995 we welcomed the Telecomm Act of 1996. Only the MA Bell repubs and dems screamed fascism. 20 years later the same assholes are screaming fascism.

    All you need to know about this whole issue: Ubama.

    Net neutrality makes the internet neutral in the same way that Ubamacare made health care affordable....
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    Almost Nobody Likes Plan To Kill Net Neutrality. Idjit Pai doesn't give a shit.....

    Poll: Almost Nobody Likes Plan To Kill Net Neutrality. GOP FCC Chair Ajit Pai: We're Doing It Anyway



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    Despite new polling that shows more than 80 percent of Americans oppose Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai's plan to repeal net neutrality protections for the internet—which has provoked months of national protests—the FCC is disregarding that concern and will carry out its scheduled vote on the proposal Thursday.

    "Nationwide voters are rising up against the unjust, immoral, and unseemly role of corporate money in our political system. They are sick and tired of the naked pay-to-play corporatism on display in tomorrow's vote."
    —Michael Copps, Common Cause and former FCC commissioner

    The University of Maryland survey (pdf), published Monday, prepared respondents to weigh in by first providing them with policy briefs from both sides—Pai and major internet service providers (ISPs) such as Verizon, who claim the protections are a burdern, versus consumer groups and tech companies that argue net neutrality is the foundation on which the internet is built.

    Although about 48 percent said Pai's argument that "rules restricting ISPs are unnecessarily heavy‐handed and stifle innovation" was convincing, more than 75 percent were convinced the rollback would "basically giv[e] ISPs a license to steal from consumers."

    Ultimately, 83 percent of registered voters—75 percent of Republicans, 89 percent of Democrats, and 86 percent of Independents—said they oppose Pai's plan to allow service providers to control download speeds, limit or block access to certain websites, and charge consumers extra fees for broader access.

    "A decision to repeal net neutrality would be tacking against strong headwinds of public opinion blowing in the opposite direction," said Steven Kull, who directs the University of Maryland's Program for Public Consultation, which conducted the poll.

    Responding to concerns over the proposed rollback, members of Congress on Wednesday condemned the plan and numerous lawmakers, from both major parties, have joined calls on Pai to delay the vote or abandon the effort completely.

    "Repealing net neutrality rules will benefit just a few powerful corporations—and it will do so at the expense of small businesses, consumers, and hardworking Americans, whose persistent and passionate voices on this issue have been completely ignored by the FCC's Republican majority," Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) said on the floor of the Senate this week. "This is not about partisanship. Republicans and Democrats alike benefit from the power of an open Internet, and equally stand to be harmed if the rules of the road ensuring its openness go away."

    The widespread opposition is visible online and in the streets, as a massive mobilization against the upcoming vote continues across the web and with hundreds expected to turn out on Thursday morning for a demonstration at FCC headquarters.

    The Net Neutrality Wake-Up Call Rally—as Thursday's protest is being called—is hosted by Voices for Internet Freedom, a coalition that focuses on the digital rights of communities of color and includes Color Of Change, Free Press Action Fund, 18 Million Rising, the Center for Media Justice, and the National Hispanic Media Coalition.

    The rally will feature speakers from some of those organizations as well as the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Planned Parenthood Action Fund.

    "Nationwide voters are rising up against the unjust, immoral, and unseemly role of corporate money in our political system. They are sick and tired of the naked pay-to-play corporatism on display in tomorrow's vote," said Michael Copps, a former FCC commissioner who now serves as a special adviser to Common Cause.

    Copps warned that with the vote, the internet could become "a shadowy world of monopoly, commercialism, and conspiracy in restraint of democracy that totally subverts the promise of what might have been."

    "There is still time to pull back from the precipice but unfortunately it is hard to imagine Ajit Pai reversing course and voting in the public's interest on net neutrality. The will of the American people has been ignored to date for the benefit of deep-pocketed special interests," Copps concluded, alluding to Pai's ties to companies that stand to benefit from his proposals—from his "massive handout" to Sinclair Broadcast Group by rolling back media ownership rules to appeasing Verizon by dismantling net neutrality.

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    God damn you Idjiot Pai! God damn you all to HELL!!!




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    Not so fast, Idjit.......

    AG Ferguson announces lawsuit to come on net neutrality
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    SEATTLE — Attorney General Bob Ferguson released the following statement on today's Federal Communications Commission vote to repeal net neutrality.

    "Yesterday I sent a letter to the FCC asking them to delay their vote gutting net neutrality. Unfortunately, they did not.

    "Today, I am announcing my intention to file a legal challenge to the FCC’s decision to roll back net neutrality, along with attorneys general across the country.

    "We are 5-0 against the Trump Administration because they often fail to follow the law when taking executive action. There is a strong legal argument that with this action, the federal government violated the Administrative Procedure Act — again.

    "We will be filing a petition for review in the coming days.

    "Allowing internet service providers to discriminate based on content undermines a free and open internet. Today’s action will seriously harm consumers, innovation and small businesses.

    "I was proud to stand with Gov. Inslee yesterday when he announced that Washington state will step up to protect consumers in light of this disappointing federal action. I commend him for his leadership and look forward to continuing to work with him to that end."

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    The Office of the Attorney General is the chief legal office for the state of Washington with attorneys and staff in 27 divisions across the state providing legal services to roughly 200 state agencies, boards and commissions. Visit www.atg.wa.gov to learn more.

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    Brionna Aho, Communications Director, (360) 753-2727; brionna.aho@atg.wa.gov

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    New York state AG to sue over net neutrality reversal

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    WASHINGTON, Dec 14 (Reuters) - New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said on Thursday he would lead a multi-state legal challenge to the U.S. Federal Communications Commission vote to reverse landmark the 2015 net neutrality rules.

    Schneiderman, a Democrat, said in a statement that states “will sue to stop the FCC’s illegal rollback of net neutrality.”

    The American Civil Liberties Union also pledged a court fight after the 3-2 vote and a trade group representing companies like Facebook Inc and Alphabet Inc said it opposed the reversal and was weighing legal options. (Reporting by David Shepardson; Editing by Meredith Mazzilli)

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    Senator Markey Leads Resolution to Restore FCC’s Net Neutrality Rules
    Thursday, December 14, 2017

    CRA resolution would reinstate robust net neutrality protections and the Open Internet Order



    Washington (December 14, 2017) – Senator Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), a member of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, and 15 other Senators today announced their plan to introduce a Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolution that would undo today’s action by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and restore the 2015 net neutrality rules. Today, the FCC approved an item that guts the 2015 Open Internet Order, which the D.C. Circuit Court upheld in 2016. The Open Internet Order prohibited internet service providers from setting up internet fast and slow lanes and ensured they could not block or slow down internet traffic.



    “Donald Trump’s FCC made an historic mistake today by overturning its net neutrality rules, and we cannot let it stand,” said Senator Markey. “Without strong net neutrality rules, entrepreneurs, inventors, small businesses, activists and all those who rely on a free and open internet will be at the mercy of big broadband companies that can block websites, slow down traffic and charge websites fees in order to increase their profits.



    “We will fight the FCC’s decisions in the courts, and we will fight it in the halls of Congress,” continued Senator Markey. “With this CRA, Congress can correct the Commission’s misguided and partisan decision and keep the internet in the hands of the people, not big corporations. Our Republicans colleagues have a choice - be on the right side of history and stand with the American people who support net neutrality, or hold hands with the big cable and broadband companies who only want to supercharge their profits at the expense of consumers and our economy.”



    A copy of the CRA can be found HERE.



    Senator Markey’s resolution of disapproval would rescind FCC Chairman Ajit Pai’s item and fully restore the Open Internet Order. CRA resolutions allow Congress to overturn regulatory actions at federal agencies with a simple majority vote in both chambers. In accordance with the Congressional Review Act, the Senators will formally introduce the resolution once the rule is submitted to both houses of Congress and published in the federal register. Congressman Mike Doyle (D-Penn.) plans to introduce a CRA resolution in the House of Representatives.



    Other Senators co-sponsoring the CRA resolution include Senators Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii.), Richard Blumenthal (D–Conn.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.), Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Gary Peters (D-Mich.), Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) and Jack Reed (D-R.I.)

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    Oh dear, will your welfare check no longer cover your internet bill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Oh dear, will your welfare check no longer cover your internet bill?
    Shush dummy child the adults are talking,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    Google loses.

    It's so funny how the leftists want the MA Bell model.

    When we were starting a comm company back in 1995 we welcomed the Telecomm Act of 1996. Only the MA Bell repubs and dems screamed fascism. 20 years later the same assholes are screaming fascism.

    All you need to know about this whole issue: Ubama.

    Net neutrality makes the internet neutral in the same way that Ubamacare made health care affordable....
    Fucking turkeys voting for Xmas, try and read and learn and think FFS.

    This is NOT a left/right democrat/republican issue. This is owners of multinationals v everyone else.

    Unless you own a multinational corporation which I suspect you don't then you are being totally fucking stitched up.

    I'll probably now be moving this site away from the US but for Americans, whether you can find it or not will depend on whether your government and internet providers let you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Fucking turkeys voting for Xmas, try and read and learn and think FFS.

    This is NOT a left/right democrat/republican issue. This is owners of multinationals v everyone else.

    Unless you own a multinational corporation which I suspect you don't then you are being totally fucking stitched up.

    I'll probably now be moving this site away from the US but for Americans, whether you can find it or not will depend on whether your government and internet providers let you.
    So, the membership will then be reduced to you and...Cato?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Fucking turkeys voting for Xmas, try and read and learn and think FFS.

    This is NOT a left/right democrat/republican issue. This is owners of multinationals v everyone else.

    Unless you own a multinational corporation which I suspect you don't then you are being totally fucking stitched up.

    I'll probably now be moving this site away from the US but for Americans, whether you can find it or not will depend on whether your government and internet providers let you.
    sesh, if glaad and atsandraFlUCKe and BSanders are predicting the end of times, it's a left right issue. Not to mention the previous idiot wheeler had a gag order on the FCC rules. and google was in wheelers pocket.

    customers don't like metered connections. so the ISP's are looking to extort cash from the content providers.

    the way to view this whole issue is that neutrality is just like every other democratic and repub regulation: it's a solution in search of a problem.

    getting rid of the leftist idea that the internet is some sort of public utility subject to government regulation is a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    So, the membership will then be reduced to you and...Cato?

    Mainly me, Cato hasn't posted much recently.

    I'm kind of ranting here, this site is a basket case because the artist not active and social media has replaced forums.

    The issue with this horrible decision is more about new people finding the site,

    In a couple of years someone like Kristy may not even know we exist because a corporation has changed their setup. Maybe they will block the site because of rich evangelicals objecting to a pic of a naked woman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    sesh, if glaad and atsandraFlUCKe and BSanders are predicting the end of times, it's a left right issue. Not to mention the previous idiot wheeler had a gag order on the FCC rules. and google was in wheelers pocket.

    customers don't like metered connections. so the ISP's are looking to extort cash from the content providers.

    the way to view this whole issue is that neutrality is just like every other democratic and repub regulation: it's a solution in search of a problem.

    getting rid of the leftist idea that the internet is some sort of public utility subject to government regulation is a good idea.
    If Obama told you not to kill yourself would you shoot your fucking head off?

    This is ridiculous.

    Think for yourself, politics is NOT sports. Don't support a team, think for yourself about what is good for you. Fuck politicians.

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    Maybe this will make it easier for Jerksmear to understand.....



    Of course the part that the lady forgot to mention is that a "bar" owned by Comcast or Verizon is likely to only have swill like Bud Lite or Coors on tap, as soon as they can get away with it.... and that's after they make sure you can't even buy the good stuff in bottles.

    Shitty internet is as intolerable as shitty beer. I have no intention of settling for either one

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
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    getting rid of the leftist idea that the internet is some sort of public utility subject to government regulation is a good idea.
    You mean like your shitty local cable company? What to you have? COXsuckers?


    My provider was Cox Cable around 10 years ago, and these douchewagons used to actually prevent connections to consumer sites that posted bad reviews of them, but hey! They could! Well, technically it was illegal, but Republican'ts were in control so no one gave a shit until they got sued...
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    Jack this is kind of what we do.

    You have 3000 posts here.

    I know fuck all about plumbing.

    If my plumber said to me the government wants to give big water companies the ability to really really fuck you over I would listen to them.

    I wouldn't ask 'What does Trump think?' because I don't like him I need to think the opposite.

    Fucking irrelevant. Think for yourself FFS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Mainly me, Cato hasn't posted much recently.

    I'm kind of ranting here, this site is a basket case because the artist not active and social media has replaced forums.

    The issue with this horrible decision is more about new people finding the site,

    In a couple of years someone like Kristy may not even know we exist because a corporation has changed their setup. Maybe they will block the site because of rich evangelicals objecting to a pic of a naked woman?
    I was just being flippant with the Cato remark.

    I will say that I'd be hard-pressed to come up with any ideas that would draw new people to the site. The obstacle isn't so much that Roth isn't active - because the biggest period of site activity was I'd guess in 2004, and Dave wasn't exactly doing much of anything then, either - but exactly as you say in terms of social media overtaking traditional web forum-oriented sites.

    The added barrier is that unless Roth is actually doing something with Van Halen, the masses don't give a shit. You'll get your (based on Roth's last two solo album sales) 50,000 Dave Or The Grave diehards. Everybody else is content with just youtubing the California Girls video.

    So I don't envy your task: it's a steep uphill climb.

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    If things don't improve soon I'm going to have to put up a sex tape of me being fucked by Kristy.

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