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    I think this Tax bill is great. This is indeed a wonderful moment in American history the Rethuglicon party about to commit a wholesale suicide of themselves Jim Jones Guyana style is fine with me.


    Today in the Rethuglicon congress

    Oh look, there's Paul Ryan, and the genetic experiment gone horrible wrong turtle boy, and the Canadian Cruz....all clutching their copies of 'Atlas Shrugged'
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    Dem's lose, ANWR oil coming, higher paychecks.

    Next, take a look at all welfare programs and put them on a work first policy. Then because everyone is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo worried about healthcare, we'll have a free drug test that must be passed monthly prior to one penny in benefits.

    After that


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    Shame that is never going to happen.

    After that


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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    Dem's lose, ANWR oil coming, higher paychecks.

    Next, take a look at all welfare programs and put them on a work first policy. Then because everyone is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo worried about healthcare, we'll have a free drug test that must be passed monthly prior to one penny in benefits.

    After that


    Don't forget cutting entitlements like Medicare for older white people that tend to vote Republican, well used too...

    Welcome the GOP, the minority opposition party of the future...
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    The GOP just dug its grave. And Trump still won't have his fucking wall. Seems the days of the middle-aged, uneducated white male are coming to an end.

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    Eh, it's only good for a year.

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    Assuming that the 2018 midterm elections can overcome both the Kristopher K. Kobach voter suppression database AND the tendencies of the SHAFTA Tommy Perez types to run shitty Republican lite candidates, do you REALLY expect the likes of Cuck Schumer & Jellyfish Pelosi to reverse the tax cuts for the rich when they take over Congress.

    Clinton had 8 years to reverse the Reagan tax cuts. He made one slight adjustment to the highest tax bracket.

    Obama had 8 years to reverse the even more extreme Chimp tax cuts. He actually allowed the right wingers to RENEW them, even though Chimpy himself only intended them to be "temporary".

    The Wall $treet fake "Democrats" aren't going to do shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Assuming that the 2018 midterm elections can overcome both the Kristopher K. Kobach voter suppression database AND the tendencies of the SHAFTA Tommy Perez types to run shitty Republican lite candidates, do you REALLY expect the likes of Cuck Schumer & Jellyfish Pelosi to reverse the tax cuts for the rich when they take over Congress.
    Not at all. But I do expect them to alter it - just to piss the GOP off and secure their base for years to come. They have to. One the economy crashes under this bill, they will have little choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Clinton had 8 years to reverse the Reagan tax cuts. He made one slight adjustment to the highest tax bracket.
    Clinton hated the poor more than the GOP so what's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Obama had 8 years to reverse the even more extreme Chimp tax cuts. He actually allowed the right wingers to RENEW them, even though Chimpy himself only intended them to be "temporary".

    The Wall $treet fake "Democrats" aren't going to do shit.
    Oh, and your bigoted Bernie brats are? With what? Your anti-Wall Street rhetoric? Don't lose hope slave FORD a major economic collapse is on its way and many of the Hillary and Trump clan are going to die because of it. I'm fine with that. Less of them in the world, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Don't lose hope slave FORD a major economic collapse is on its way and many of the Hillary and Trump clan are going to die because of it. I'm fine with that. Less of them in the world, the better.
    I'll drink to that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure he is. But he lives in a Red State, that takes welfare from the vastly more productive Blue States, that will lose out in this bill. If you have money in a Blue State, you get fucked and simply your money is being transferred to an entrepreneur in a Red State...
    I've lived in 5 different states, some blue, some red... You do know part of the freedom afforded to all of us in the USA is the ability to move freely around the country..?

    I also have mentioned to those on both coasts complaining about their sky-high SALT (State & Local Taxes)... you elected those local greedy bastards that raised your taxes over and over and over again... and now you're crying because the federal government won't cut you breaks for your poor local voting and governing decisions. Boo-fucking-hoo... you got what you voted for do something about it!! Trust me, and my state takes no welfare from yours nor benefits to any greater degree based on Federal spending... we just manage our local spending more wisely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I've lived in 5 different states, some blue, some red... You do know part of the freedom afforded to all of us in the USA is the ability to move freely around the country..?
    Holy shit! Only Americans have such amazing freedoms, the rest of the world looks on in amazement.






    (31st in case you are wondering where the US is)


    https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/d...verall-freedom
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I've lived in 5 different states, some blue, some red... You do know part of the freedom afforded to all of us in the USA is the ability to move freely around the country..?
    Okay thanks!

    I also have mentioned to those on both coasts complaining about their sky-high SALT (State & Local Taxes)... you elected those local greedy bastards that raised your taxes over and over and over again... and now you're crying because the federal government won't cut you breaks for your poor local voting and governing decisions. Boo-fucking-hoo... you got what you voted for do something about it!! Trust me, and my state takes no welfare from yours nor benefits to any greater degree based on Federal spending... we just manage our local spending more wisely.
    I'm not talking about local and state taxes, I'm talking about how red states get more in entitlements and pork that they pay into while the blue states get less. Moving from state to state doesn't change the fact that they're trying to punish the most productive states. It's a simple fact, dolts reward their mindbogglingly partisan lessor educated whites. But now, the real fucking begins as entitlement "reform" will mean wholesale slashing as some sort of lip service to the bloating national debt people are fucking their children over with...
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    Trump may celebrate his tax giveaway – but politically it could cost him dear

    Trump may celebrate his tax giveaway – but politically it could cost him dear
    Jonathan Freedland

    This bill stinks – the men behind it will benefit from it personally. But once it’s passed, the president is just that little bit less useful to Republicans

    ‘Donald Trump’s tax ‘reform’ is, in fact, a massive gift to the rich and super-rich.’ Photograph: Jim Lo Scalzo/EPA


    Wed 20 Dec ‘17 06.49 EST
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    Donald Trump is set to close this most turbulent year with his first big win. Today, barring a last-minute hitch, both houses of the US Congress will send the president a tax reform bill that he will sign with full ceremony. He’ll lavish praise on himself and say he’s making good on his promise to make America great again. Or as he put it via Twitter: “Biggest Tax Cuts and Reform EVER passed. Enjoy, and create many beautiful JOBS!”

    The bill he’ll sign today is indeed the most substantial overhaul to the US tax system since Ronald Reagan’s tax cuts of 1986. Still, Trump and his fellow Republicans should pause before they knock back too much pre-Christmas champagne. This could be a victory that comes back to haunt them.

    For this bill hands the Democrats just the ammunition they need for their campaign to win back control of Congress in next November’s midterm elections. It’s unpopular – opposed by 55% of US voters, and supported by just 33% of them – and with good reason.

    For this tax “reform” is, in fact, a massive gift to the rich and super-rich. By 2027, 83% of its benefits will go to the richest 1%. Sure, low-income Americans will see a modest improvement in their finances: the poor will save around $60 a year. But the big bucks go to those who already have the biggest bucks.

    The mega corporations stand to gain the most, as their taxes fall from 35% to 21%. Republicans are trying to cast this as help for “America’s families and small businesses”, as if the chief beneficiaries will be the Mom and Pop who run the neighbourhood general store. But the reality is that Republicans are paying back the mighty plutocrats who have been bankrolling them for years. Admire the candour of congressman Chris Collins, who last month said of tax cuts, “My donors are basically saying, ‘Get it done or don’t ever call me again.’”
    Senate approves most drastic changes to US tax code in 30 years
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    The stink coming off this bill is even more direct. The men who wrote, passed and will sign it will benefit from it personally. There are tax breaks for real estate tycoons in there, which will further enrich the likes of Senator Bob Corker and one Donald J Trump.

    All Democrats need do next November is set those facts against Trump’s 2016 campaign talk, in which he promised to fight for the little guy even at his own expense. “It’s going to cost me a fortune,” he said of his tax plan back then. But it was all a trick. He took the votes of those left behind, and has used them to make himself and his pals even richer.

    And they will be the ones to feel the cost. Because you cannot reduce the amount coming into the public coffers by $1.5tn without cutting the amount coming out. There will now be even less money to spend on those who need it. Witness the health programmes for poor children cut for lack of congressional funding on the very day those same Republican congressmen and senators increased to $22m the amount a wealthy couple can leave to their children without paying a cent in inheritance tax.

    Perhaps that moral shame doesn’t bother most Republicans. But the party did once pride itself on its fiscal conservatism. They can surely never make that boast again, not when they have passed a measure that will balloon the deficit by a trillion or more. They want to keep spending, including hundreds of billions on defence, even as they bring in so much less.

    The right like to say that cutting taxes actually generates more revenue, because people are incentivised to work harder and earn more. But that is one hypothesis that does not need to be tested yet again. We know from the Reagan years, when the deficit mushroomed, that it’s nonsense. It gives magical thinking a bad name.

    Trump will brag and crow, but there is a danger here for him too. Passing this tax cut has been the driving mission of the likes of House speaker Paul Ryan for decades. It’s why they’ve tolerated the daily outrages committed by Trump: they were ready to swallow anything for the sake of having someone at that Oval Office desk who would sign their tax bill. Once he’s done it, his usefulness diminishes. Should the Russia probe gather pace, should Trump’s poll numbers go even deeper underwater, then the passing of these tax cuts will lead some Republicans to conclude that he is no longer indispensable.

    So let Trump and the Republican party have their celebration today. They may have reason to regret it tomorrow.

    • Jonathan Freedland is a Guardian columnist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Holy shit! Only Americans have such amazing freedoms, the rest of the world looks on in amazement.

    (31st in case you are wondering where the US is)


    https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/d...verall-freedom
    I read that study... it's an interesting view for the mere fact that a lot of people, especially in the US, don't have much of a view from a global perspective. You are correct... the USA isn't at the top of the rankings based on the parameters measured in the study. In many ways, chronologically, the US is like the loud-mouthed teenager, singing songs and being belligerent about how fucking great we are... while the older folks roll their eyes at our silliness. We're somewhat the "millennials" of the times... we grew up with infrastructure and technology the old farts didn't have! Best learn to accommodate us...

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