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jacksmar (01-12-2018)
DR Evil in Hawaii?
So glad that volcanoes don’t cause global warming.........
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http://abc7.com/hawaiis-kilauea-volc...tions/3426564/
Hawaii's Kilauea volcano erupts, county issues evacuations
Thursday, May 03, 2018 11:28PM
HONOLULU --
Hawaii's Kilauea volcano erupted Thursday, sending lava shooting into the air in a residential neighborhood and prompting mandatory evacuation orders for nearby homes.
Hawaii County said steam and lava poured out of a crack in Leilani Estates, which is near the town of Pahoa on the Big Island.
Footage shown on local television showed lava spurting into the sky from a crack in a road. Aerial drone footage showed a line of lava snaking through a forest.
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A couple of quick FYI's:
I think the problem is that they ran out of virgins out that way.
Global warming and Fracking blamed.
On a wave of a lava flow headed towards Highway 130: A missing birth certificate...
They don't on their own currently. They do produce CO2 but it's 1% of that produced by humans.
According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world's volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide.
Of course the logical answer to this if you are a super rich guy who owns fossil fuel companies is just to try and stop funding of the US Geological Survey and spend some pennies throwing some shit around in some blogs to muddy the waters enough for the easily led.
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But volcanoes will fuck your Mustang up!
On a plus point he can now take the insurance money and buy a proper car from abroad.
The planet is fine. The people are fucked. Mother earth could shake us off like a bunch of fleas. That lava flow just efficiently disposed of a car. Now everything that was in that car is part of the earth again. The planet will be here long after us motherfuckers are dead and gone.
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ZahZoo (05-11-2018)
Human impact is no longer questionable where climate change is concerned... enough facts to support the claims exist.
To me, the serious question is... Do we understand all the workings of the planet to correct our impact without fucking something else up..?
I'm not sure humans can correct what's been done... We can't just turn off today's power generation even is we wanted to. Odds are, as Nitro so eloquently stated, it's more like we are so insignificant to the forces of nature that many other natural events will alter our existence long before we hose it up ourselves...
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Terry (05-26-2018)
Who gives a shit about the planet if there are no humans on it?
It's not like there is a shortage of uninhabited planets in the universe.
Terry (05-26-2018)
Seriously I hope Guitar Shark is okay in all this lava nonsense...
Had some "extended family" members who lived in Leilani Estates. They apparently don't even know if their house still exists or not, because they can't get back in to find out. They're doing OK otherwise, temporarily relocating to Arizona. Guess if you have to move from the tropics to the desert, it's better to do so now than in the middle of the summer.
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No because people can't even solve climate change without turning it into a scam. Sorry. China is so polluted you can taste the air but they get a free pass but we have to pay out the ass. We aren't fixing shit. We can't even make a government work so how are we going to save the planet? The truth is the earth is always in a constant state of change and maybe we affect it some but one super volcano blowing is going to do more damage than we can do with maybe the exception of having a thermal nuclear war. So open up a bottle of Jim Beam and celebrate the sun came up for another day and try and get laid before it comes up again because that's all we pretty much want anyways.
Yeah but that is all just nonsense.
Each American causes 4 or 5 times more CO2 than a Chinese guy per person. Saying the world could be destroyed by a super volcano is just a non argument. You have to pay what out your ass?
Estimates to fix climate change run at about a couple of % of GDP for a few years, which is absolutely nothing compared to how much the super rich just skimmed off you in the latest tax scam.
If you live long enough you'll spend your old age watching the US economy collapse as Florida goes under water.
Nickdfresh (05-12-2018)
I'd be curious to read how absorbed Co2 can be reduced in a practical manner for a couple of % of GDP..?
It's not that complicated to reduce current emissions... but the more challenging aspect is what to do with the tons of previous and current absorbed output from fossil fuels that sits within the oceans and major bodies of water on the planet. It's not just whats gone into the air because it doesn't just stay in the air... then there's also all the stuff that's within organic matter collected from the last 4 billion years or so...
Keep dreaming TARDO.
5000 years ago the coastline of Florida was about 100 miles further out. So global warming was a natural thing to happen. Here's how it worked but don't tell the other TARDOs:
Back then, the seas would rise and the people would move inland.
Now, we have global warming TARDOs and they're a much smarter and more progressive human.
Here's how they work: The TARDO blames himself for the sea rise and spends billions so they can stay put.
There is no "fix" for climate planet warming change global eco whatever the fuck. It's a hoax. There's no zombies or vampires or witches or werewolves or Godzillas.
The ice age global warming causing volcanos chart has been attached for clarification.
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Volcanoes are natural. Oil refineries are not. I can't do a damn thing to stop Mt. St Helens (or any of the other sleeping giants in the Cascade range) but I damn well can stop pipelines from going through Cascadia, or trains with coal pollution from using this area as a path to China.
Speaking of China, they may have created a shitload of pollution in a relatively short time period, but at least they have seen the reality of it, and are now building green infrastructure where ever they can. Ironically, it's with all the money they now have because the BCE and corporatist fake "democrats" have outsourced all the jobs over there.
All of that money could have been building green infrastructure here. Along with the money wasted on PNAC wars, which have mostly been about controlling what very little remains of the oil to run the 19th century engnes which should have been extinct by now.
I just don't give much weight to worries about Florida sinking under the Gulf/Atlantic... Our landmasses are not static. The crust of the Earth is in constant movement... although it's just inches/millimeters per decade. There are parts of the central continental US that were at one time a sea floor.
I'm mostly convinced a lot of this effort around global climate change are fueled more by our imaginations and really poor sense of the time coupled with pure arrogance that we are smart enough and/or powerful enough to effect planetary conditions. Not to say we know nothing... just saying we don't know enough about all the variables to truly get any of this correct...
I'm also very skeptical when very rich, connected people like Al Gore and David de Rothschild use panic to hard sell something. They want to tax carbon the most common element on planet earth (you know this if you took a elementary chemistry class in school) and the scientific studies are all coming out of the same geopolitical area where such people have monetary influence over the institutions that do the studies. For some reason people think scientists are above being bribed or being strong armed or even honey trapped. If you look back at Al Gore's the world is going to end speeches a few years ago nothing he said would happen has happened. They had to change the slogan from global warming to climate change. The climate and the earth are in a constant cycle of change but it's a slow cycle and is there anything we are going to do about it? I think we have become arrogant to the point we think we can play God and we have more control over the planet than we actually do. I also live 6300 feet above sea level. The sea rising isn't exactly a problem for me. The day I see Donald Trump's ocean front estate in Palm Beach with water and turtles in the living room is the day I will be convinced all this ocean level rising concern is legitimate.
I have a friend who did his dissertation on clean coal technology. Nobody talks about burning all the low sulfur grade coal we have here using technology that has clean emissions. In fact The Department of Energy was going to build a prototype plant at their national lab in Idaho but lawsuits shut the project down. I'm very skeptical when such alternatives aren't looked into and fear and panic are used to brainwash the public on thinking anything that burns coal is going to end life as we know it.
I think a future eyesore is when all these windmills we have put up become too expensive to justify maintaining. We are going to have dead windmills all over the landscape. Every time I drive by a big wind farm I shake my head.
This discussion reminds me of a lesson a 90 year old guy offered me and a good friend back in the 80's...
My buddy owned 35 acres of land up in the middle of no where, about 15 miles from Cripple Creek, CO in the Rockies. I had spent the summer helping him clear a road and camp site he parked an old, used camping trailer on to vacation up there. There was a beautiful ridge line with a bunch of pines and aspen trees where we built the camp.
Several of the pines had mistletoe growing on them... my buddy read up on it and was worried the mistletoe would spread and kill off all those nice pine trees. One weekend we set out to cutting down the worst infected trees... the old guy drives up outta the blue and asks why we're cutting down the trees. My pal explains about his worries with the mistletoe.
The old guy laughs and explains that those type of pinyon pines live about 100-150 years max... and yes mistletoe may cause the tree to die prematurely by a couple of years... but most die from fire or some dumbass cutting them down in their prime for no good reason. We stopped cutting them down and shifted to beer drinking instead... The remaining trees with a few splotches of mistletoe still live majestically up there today 30 years later!!
Terry (05-14-2018)
Then you read about the area around Chernobyl. Nature has come back faster than anyone expected and the scientists are baffled. Also I have so many relatives that have worked in government labs and universities and they all tell me how political everything is. Everything is affected by funding and of course this skews what the public is told about things. Sometimes the actual science is a well kept secret they don't want the public to know.
ZahZoo (05-14-2018)
I have a general understanding of the basic science behind the global warming theory...you know, a theory that I read about. In other words, I know (like most people) the conventional wisdom of climate change as it has been told to me. I don't know enough about the science from an educational standpoint via my own personal study or experiments to say one way or the other if it is accurate, or the probability that planetary conditions will render life on Earth uninhabitable for humans in my lifetime...or 100 years, or whatever. Or if this climate change is something even reversible assuming we all tomorrow simultaneously stopped engaging in the activities presumed to be changing the climate.
Nobody can say if we have already went beyond the point of return in terms of being able to reverse the effects.
I can't determine the accuracy of global climate change one way or the other. I don't think it's a hoax in that there's some mass cabal of scientists claiming the change is happening when they know for a fact it isn't: doubtless plenty of scientists believe it is happening.
Maybe life on the planet will eventually become uninhabitable for our species as the result of our burning various fuels and creating chemicals that are toxic to humankind. Perhaps that path was followed the moment we started cutting down more trees than were replanted...and when was that? Pre-Industrial Revolution?
If the solution to arresting the change somehow involves going back to steam engines and going backward in technological terms to save our species, I doubt people would be willing to give up things like air conditioning, gas/oil powered modes of transportation and the like. You can't even get people to shut off their cell phones in movie theaters as a courtesy to others, so the idea of a mass ban on modern amenities...we're fucked if that is the solution.
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You never did finish high school, did you, asshole?
But not the air which is abundant on the "planet." You fucking idiot.
Wrong but please do on embarrassing yourself.
Wrong. Look up the term "thermocline" you stupid F A T fuck.
citation needed or are you turning into Niki Wiki?
You are not but do go on.
Huh? As opposed to being funded by the Koch Brothers who skew results to buy politicians
By "bias" you mean "liberal results" right, you fucking F A T moron?
Wrong again, asshole. The world is driven by violence and greed.
Learn the difference between...oh wait, you never finished high school. You are incapable of learning. GSM/Ice Age/global cooling etc, pointing out it needs more evaporation to cause the big precipitation; cosmic rays get a mention, of course, but I point out they don’t create clouds and that even if they did you need the big evaporation AGW causes to get the moisture in the air to precipitate out later. Then again, what a waste of time - you never finished high school.
40 years? You sure its not in the name of oil companies waiting for Greenland to melt so they can rape the environment there? Jesus fucking Christ, you are one serous fucking idiot.
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Von is dumbass, everybody.
No, wait a minute. Von is a F A T as F U C K dumbass with homoerotic tendencies for an irrelevant rock star retard/weirdo.
Hey Von...
What are your qualifications?
The real arrogance in your opinion is that you think that because you don't know any more than can be gleaned from reading a few articles on the internet and a half remembered TV show you saw a few years back that somehow your opinion is as valid as someone who was much smarter than you at school and then has worked their whole life in the field. Him/she and another 50 000 scientists around the world.
I'm sorry but this nonsense particularly from Americans of your generation is what has got the planet in the state it's in. All opinions are not equal. You and I are not qualified to do eye surgery, design a microchip or predict the effects of 7 billion humans shitting up the environment. Your 'opinion' isn't going to change so we just need to hope that young Americans and the rest of the world can limit the damage caused by the Selfish Generation.
My qualifications: I'm smart enough to connect to the net, find this site, register here, find a topic and share my opinion... I'm no climate scientist and did not claim to be. Geez... ya grumpy assed Scotsman!!
You're wrong on one point... I'm not qualified to design a whole microchip, but I am/was qualified to perform basic initialization of RISC based processors in beta form to perform functional verification tests in UNIX kernel processing methodologies. I specialized in internal processor cache management development for IBM's RISC/Power processors in the 90's. Moved on from there to symmetrical multi-processor systems development after that... To tie that crap directly to this pissing match... that technology development led to the advanced climate modeling and research conducted on the "super" computers of the time, which provided climatologists a platform to study all this bullshit.
What the fuck does "Americans of your generation" mean..?
Neither your generation nor mine created this shit... Our parents, nope, grandparents maybe. But the path to industrialization built on fossil fuel usage , specifically oil, started back in the 19th century... coal and wood a couple centuries before that! I suspect you ain't qualified to teach history either, junior...
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Damn the microchip thing was a gamble...
This is the reality in a nutshell. It really doesn't matter what we have read or who we have listened to. What matters is who bribes the politicians the most. It doesn't matter what nature is doing or how we are affecting it. It only matters who has the money and that is going to make policy. Now it may kill us all or it may not. Who knows but the bottom line is little old us at The Roth Army can't do shit about it.
And one China man pollutes as much as a whole small US town.
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Now, what YOU said is reality in a nutshell: we are powerless to do anything about it.
It recalls the expression of seeing through the game isn't the same as winning it.
Which bumps up against another concept I recently heard, along the lines of 99.99999999999% of all the people who have ever lived, once they died (or die) and those who knew them directly also die, history won't even remember them.
I'm not winning the game, but I don't feel I'm losing it. I'm just trying to hold on to what I have.
In my profession, I am totally expendable.
When I die, once those who knew me directly also die, it'll be as if I never existed.
For those reading this who think they're winning, irreplaceable and historically significant...maybe think again.
I agree and it's important to realise your place in the scheme of things clinging onto a wet rock hurtling through space with fewer years ahead of you than behind.
That's still no reason to sit there watching a few thousand sociopaths fucking wreck the planet while convincing people that they can rape things because it's hopeless anyway. There are many estimates of the actual cost of solving the problem would only be a few % of GDP compared to future misery. Yeah most people here will miss the worst of it but that's not the point.
The thought of being stitched up with bullshit from these people would irritate me even if I didn't have kids.
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