Marco Rubio Florida School Shooting

[jacksmar]

How Florida citizens protect each other

https://www.local10.com/news/florida/broward/man-shoots-and-kills-car-burglar-in-tamarac-deputies-say

Tamarac homeowner kills man trying to break into his car, deputies say
Walder Saintelus had been stealing from cars in neighborhood, officials say

TAMARAC, Fla. - A 22-year-old man trying to steal from cars in Tamarac was shot and killed early Saturday morning after a homeowner confronted him, authorities said.

Keyla Concepcion, a spokeswoman for the Broward County Sheriff's Office, said Frank Johnston, 64, was walking his dog around 5 a.m. when he saw Walder Saintelus breaking into his neighbors' cars in the 9500 block of Northwest 82nd Street.
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Concepcion said Johnston then went inside his home and called the police, but when Saintelus moved on to his car, Johnston confronted him.

Johnston and Saintelus got into a fight, which ended with Johnston fatally shooting Saintelus, Concepcion said.

[jacksmar]

Jesus, dude...

Terry, I am actually more offended by the shooting at the plantation high school by the typical ineffective leftist mantra and ideology than anyone here would care to know.
My tribute band played the same plantation stage where the students held their tribute.
Prior to the show I took pictures with a bunch of families consisting of beautiful young children who only wanted a T-shirt and a guitar pick and a picture. I can only wonder if one of those kids was one of the kids was injured or killed.

Typical assumptions made here piss me off to the 10th power.

Tonight I'm not gonna be silent about it.

[jacksmar]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/deadly-parkland-shooting-deputies-now-carry-ar-15-235104539--abc-news-topstories.html

After deadly Parkland shooting, deputies will now carry AR-15 rifles on school grounds, sheriff says

Broward County sheriff's deputies will now carry AR-15 rifles while on school campuses following the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, last week, Sheriff Scott Israel announced today.

The new policy was implemented Wednesday morning. In lieu of gun lockers, the only time deputies will not be "slinging a rifle" is when the firearm is locked in police vehicles, Israel said.

The rifles will not be fully automatic and will only be handled by deputies who are "trained and qualified" to operate them, Israel said.

[twonabomber]

I'm really surprised the Plain Dealer ran this column, they're about as anti-gun as it gets.

Scream for gun control if you like, but it won't fix the problem
By Ted Diadiun, cleveland.com

It is a sign of the times that in the wake of the devastating shooting in Parkland, Fla. last Wednesday, an essay in the New Yorker magazine approvingly quoted a high school sophomore who had posted the following tweet in response to President Donald Trump's expressions of sympathy:

"I don't want your condolences you f---ing piece of s---, my friends and teachers were shot," wrote the 16-year-old girl to the president of the United States. "Multiple of my fellow classmates are dead. Do something instead of sending prayers. Prayers won't fix this. But Gun control will prevent it from happening again."

Even considering the tragic circumstances that produced her comment, I found the words stunning, a stark example of our current profane and unrestrained era of instant communication. Not everyone saw it that way, of course: By the time the girl took the comment down the following day, it had drawn 346,000-some likes, and been retweeted more than 144,000 times.

Whew.

Now, there's little point in chastising a grieving kid, whatever we think of her attitude and vocabulary. She's young enough so that she likely took her cue from those whose approach to the problem she parrots. But her tweet - and the reaction it produced -- is a symptom of the divisive and combative society we have created for ourselves.

And, of our futile search for simple solutions to complicated problems.

People have every right to be angry in the wake of a school shooting. Anger is worse than useless, however, if it's directed only at targets that fit our political prejudices.

Consider: The attack on Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School was carried out by a 19-year-old who had long been identified by many who knew him as a danger to himself and others. The FBI had been alerted and the school administration had been warned.

But after the shooting, did the ire of the media and half the people in the country focus on Nikolas Cruz, the one who actually killed those 17 people? Was it directed toward the adult who saw him heading into the school that day and failed to stop him? Did it settle on the FBI agents who had been told of the multiple warning signs Cruz had exhibited and didn't follow up?

No. Instead, many people instinctively and profanely pointed accusing fingers at Congress and the president, demanding that the elected officials do what the high school sophomore had demanded in her tweet to the president:

Something.

OK. But what?

Gun control, she and others have said.

OK. But just how would that work, exactly?

Ban assault weapons, many have suggested.

OK. But an exhaustive Washington Post story a couple of years ago estimated that as of 2013, we had more than 357 million privately owned guns across 37 percent (45 million) of U.S. households. Of these, about 8 million are AR-15 type semi-automatic rifles - the so-called "assault weapon" used by Cruz in Florida.

According to FBI crime statistics, slightly more than 11,000 people were murdered by firearms in 2016. How many do you think were killed by rifles - including, but not limited to, semi-automatics?

The answer is 374. Most of the others were from handguns. Ask yourself: Would an assault weapon ban have saved even those 374 lives? Or would many of the victims have been shot by some other weapon if a rifle had not been available?

So, then, should we ban sales of all handguns also? If we did all that tomorrow, there would still be 300-plus million of them out there, in addition to the 8 million "assault weapons," plus shotguns and other assorted firearms. Banning gun sales would do nothing more than create a massive black market for weapons of all types.

Should we instead try to collect them all? All 357 million? How would we do that?

Certainly, Cruz acquired the weapon he used far too easily. A more rigorous background check might have prevented his purchase given his background of mental problems, as would a law raising the legal age for purchasing a rifle to 21, as it is with handguns. Does anyone believe that would have kept him from getting his hands on a firearm?

The fact is, no matter how many gun control measures our legislators enact, there is no way they are going to control the guns we already have.

What we need to control are the people who want to pull the trigger. With 357 million triggers out there, those demented few will find one to pull if we don't stop them. But of course, focusing our energy on that is a lot more complicated than shouting for gun control and cursing at people who believe it's not that simple.

So go ahead: March. Lie down. Chant. Carry signs. Donate money to anti-gun causes. Scream at our elected officials for not fixing the problem if you want. Vote against any legislator who has received money from the National Rifle Association if it makes you feel better.

But don't delude yourself into thinking any of that will solve the problem.

It will not.

[Seshmeister]

Terry, I am actually more offended by the shooting at the plantation high school by the typical ineffective leftist mantra and ideology than anyone here would care to know.

From now on try replacing the phrase 'ineffective leftist mantra' with 'every other developed country in the world'.

[Seshmeister]

OK. But an exhaustive Washington Post story a couple of years ago estimated that as of 2013, we had more than 357 million privately owned guns across 37 percent (45 million) of U.S. households. Of these, about 8 million are AR-15 type semi-automatic rifles - the so-called "assault weapon" used by Cruz in Florida.

Less than two weeks after the Port Arthur massacre, all six Australian states agreed to enact the same sweeping gun laws banning semi-automatic rifles and shotguns - weapons that can kill many people quickly.

They also put more hurdles between prospective gun owners and their weapons.

Australia has 28-day waiting periods, thorough background checks, and a requirement to present a "justifiable reason" to own a gun.

Unlike in the US, self-protection is not accepted as a justifiable reason to own a gun.

In the 21 years since the laws were passed, about one million semi-automatic weapons - roughly one third of the country's firearms - were sold back to the government and destroyed, nearly halving the number of gun-owning households in Australia.

Australia has around a tenth of the population of the US so that would translate to 10 million.

[Seshmeister]

The leader of the free world jumps into action...

It's not even in his handwriting so someone had to give him notes on how to feel empathy with families of murdered children.

[jacksmar]

From now on try replacing the phrase 'ineffective leftist mantra' with 'every other developed country in the world'.

It's a great point. And every other developed country in the world should offer their homes, their property, their bank accounts to those wonderful muslim immigrants.


Be a good socialist, it doesn't cost you anything...

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Nick dnile, you're so deep up the rear you don't know the shit you're saying. I'm really laughing at your commie Lib thinking Prof. If you had an ounce of intelligence or a fly spec of integrity you may have come to the conclusion that may have been part of the reason I might not have wanted to head over to Iraq.

No one should have wanted to go to Iraq by 2003, but no one should have had to go at all...

But you're really not that smart. You really are the typical useful idiot cuckold too old to be antifa and too young to be an ex hippie.

I'm not a hippie nor am I an anarchist, so neither was really an option. Though perhaps I might qualify as an aging Yippie. Antifa is actually pretty interesting though, at least they had the balls to go fight Isil and to stand up for participatory democracy. The one the corrupt Turk Islamist cunts are trying to eradicate...

Don't bother trying to outgun me. jerksmear way back in 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOorjOVjBoU

I didn't see a Paul Stanley stand in...

[Nickdfresh]

How Florida citizens protect each other

https://www.local10.com/news/florida/broward/man-shoots-and-kills-car-burglar-in-tamarac-deputies-say

Tamarac homeowner kills man trying to break into his car, deputies say
Walder Saintelus had been stealing from cars in neighborhood, officials say

TAMARAC, Fla. - A 22-year-old man trying to steal from cars in Tamarac was shot and killed early Saturday morning after a homeowner confronted him, authorities said.

Keyla Concepcion, a spokeswoman for the Broward County Sheriff's Office, said Frank Johnston, 64, was walking his dog around 5 a.m. when he saw Walder Saintelus breaking into his neighbors' cars in the 9500 block of Northwest 82nd Street.
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Concepcion said Johnston then went inside his home and called the police, but when Saintelus moved on to his car, Johnston confronted him.

Johnston and Saintelus got into a fight, which ended with Johnston fatally shooting Saintelus, Concepcion said.

And how they let them kill their children, by having no restrictions whatsoever on the sale of AR's and other assault weapons to teenage mentally ill fucktards...

[Nickdfresh]

It's a great point. And every other developed country in the world should offer their homes, their property, their bank accounts to those wonderful muslim immigrants.


Be a good socialist, it doesn't cost you anything...

If you want to talk about assisting "Muslims" in conducting terrorism, the NRA is king at that!: http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...RRORISTS!-!-!-!

[Seshmeister]

[Terry]

Terry, I am actually more offended by the shooting at the plantation high school by the typical ineffective leftist mantra and ideology than anyone here would care to know.
My tribute band played the same plantation stage where the students held their tribute.
Prior to the show I took pictures with a bunch of families consisting of beautiful young children who only wanted a T-shirt and a guitar pick and a picture. I can only wonder if one of those kids was one of the kids was injured or killed.

Typical assumptions made here piss me off to the 10th power.

Tonight I'm not gonna be silent about it.

Okay.

[Seshmeister]

Ah, knowing I participated in a Just Cause...

A bit like saying you participated in My Lai.

Should really have been called 'Operation Just Killing civilians for the CIA'