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    F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

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    F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen
    Matt Apuzzo
    APRIL 9, 2018

    The F.B.I. on Monday raided the office of President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, seizing records related to several topics including payments to a pornographic-film actress.

    Federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, who called the search “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.” The search does not appear to be directly related to Mr. Mueller’s investigation, but likely resulted from information he had uncovered and gave to prosecutors in New York.

    “Today the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients,” said Stephen Ryan, his lawyer. “I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.”

    Mr. Cohen plays a role in aspects of the special counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. He also recently said he paid $130,000 to a pornographic-film actress, Stephanie Clifford, who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump. Ms. Clifford is known as Stormy Daniels.

    Mr. Ryan said Mr. Cohen has cooperated with authorities and turned over thousands of documents to congressional investigators looking into Russian election meddling.

    The payments to Ms. Clifford are only one of many topics being investigated, according to a person briefed on the search. The F.B.I. also seized emails, tax documents and business records, the person said.

    The seized records include communications between Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen, which would likely require a special team of agents to review because conversations between lawyers and clients are protected from scrutiny in most instances.
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    This seems to be a big deal. It takes a lot for the FBI to raid a lawyers office, never mind the presidents. Something illegal has almost certainly been going on although that doesn't mean that Trump is directly implicated.
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    Well, it's pretty much a given that Cohen was laundering Cheeto's payment to Stormy - and probably other hush money. What if he was also laundering something far more serious, like money from Russian oligarchs and/or Russian mob? I doubt Mueller would bother with all this over a porn star who has pictures of Cheeto's micro-penis.

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    Maybe they have a lead on the guy who supposedly threatened her. If there was a money trail from Cohen to him that would be something.

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    Well, there must have been enough convincing evidence of something for the U.S. Attorney's Office of the Southern District of New York to convince a judge to sign off on a warrant to enable the raid, or a convincing expectation that Cohen was going to begin destroying documents in short order.

    And communications between a lawyer and his client are no longer privileged if said communications involve the commission of a crime, assuming this involves campaign finance violations re: the Daniels payoff and Trump reimbursing Cohen out of campaign funds.
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    I haven't said much about this guy because he's a military vet. We all know there are some really good vets and some some others. Mueller is the guy that screwed up the 911 plot.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-dir...revented-9-11/

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    The FBI has really turned into a joke. Who are they going to raid next? Trump's former cleaning lady? It's all a political witch hunt. If Trump was an insider and a member of the big club non of this would be happening. Trump could have dirt up to his ears and they would protect him. It's all about being on the team or off the team. The truth is most of them are corrupt and probably should be in prison for something.
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    Look this really is fascism. Both Democrats and Republicans are involved in it. They have their little cozy gang of Washington insiders and nobody is going to jail if they can keep it going. They are scared to death of an outsider being in the White House. That means possible jail time down the road so they got to politically kill that son of a bitch. Right now the outsider is Trump but it could be anybody. First it was Russian collusion and when that narrative failed well let's try and get him on something else. They find this porn star and now they are trying to blow this narrative up into an impeachable offense. It's gotten to the point of being silly but also scary. The FBI has been politicized. The thing to remember fascists is they eventually go after everyone's rights. Just because they are attacking someone currently that you don't like doesn't mean they won't ruin your life in the future. This all is so Nazi Germany. The witch hunts. The bully tactics. A large number of the public going along with it. Just food for thought. Trump can serve two terms and then he's gone. It wasn't Trump who threw Bernie Sanders under the bus. It was Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. Do you really want people like that in power? Trump is an egomaniac and can say mean things about people but he never rigged elections and threw anyone like Bernie Sanders under the bus. It's the people going after him who throw people under the bus. Mueller has thrown the American people under the bus by turning a blind eye to the drug trade and money laundering banks and many other things. So let's say Trump banging a porn star is true. Who cares. The left sure as hell didn't care that Bill Clinton was getting sucked off in the oval office. Bill Clinton lied under oath. All of us would go to jail for that but not a connected president. Clinton lost his law license in Arkansas and that is all that happened to him. So let's say they manage to get Trump out of office. What does that really mean? Business as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    I haven't said much about this guy because he's a military vet. We all know there are some really good vets and some some others. Mueller is the guy that screwed up the 911 plot.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-dir...revented-9-11/

    Just fyi...
    Oh please, Bush's entire administration fucked that up! They didn't even give a fuck when Richard Clark was having a stroke over the "lights blinking red"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The FBI has really turned into a joke. Who are they going to raid next? Trump's former cleaning lady? It's all a political witch hunt. If Trump was an insider and a member of the big club non of this would be happening. Trump could have dirt up to his ears and they would protect him. It's all about being on the team or off the team. The truth is most of them are corrupt and probably should be in prison for something.
    Oh Jesus Christ! They DID JUST RAID TRUMPS CLEANING LADY FFS! What do you think this roach Cohen is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Look this really is fascism. Both Democrats and Republicans are involved in it. They have their little cozy gang of Washington insiders and nobody is going to jail if they can keep it going. They are scared to death of an outsider being in the White House. That means possible jail time down the road so they got to politically kill that son of a bitch. Right now the outsider is Trump but it could be anybody. First it was Russian collusion and when that narrative failed well let's try and get him on something else. They find this porn star and now they are trying to blow this narrative up into an impeachable offense. It's gotten to the point of being silly but also scary. The FBI has been politicized. The thing to remember fascists is they eventually go after everyone's rights. Just because they are attacking someone currently that you don't like doesn't mean they won't ruin your life in the future. This all is so Nazi Germany. The witch hunts. The bully tactics. A large number of the public going along with it. Just food for thought. Trump can serve two terms and then he's gone. It wasn't Trump who threw Bernie Sanders under the bus. It was Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. Do you really want people like that in power? Trump is an egomaniac and can say mean things about people but he never rigged elections and threw anyone like Bernie Sanders under the bus. It's the people going after him who throw people under the bus. Mueller has thrown the American people under the bus by turning a blind eye to the drug trade and money laundering banks and many other things. So let's say Trump banging a porn star is true. Who cares. The left sure as hell didn't care that Bill Clinton was getting sucked off in the oval office. Bill Clinton lied under oath. All of us would go to jail for that but not a connected president. Clinton lost his law license in Arkansas and that is all that happened to him. So let's say they manage to get Trump out of office. What does that really mean? Business as usual.
    Histrionic much? Since when is getting a warrant from a Federal Judge that was approved by your own Justice Dept. "fascism?" The the very antithesis of fascism, called "rule of law"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    I haven't said much about this guy because he's a military vet. We all know there are some really good vets and some some others. Mueller is the guy that screwed up the 911 plot.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-dir...revented-9-11/

    Just fyi...
    Did you read that?

    He screwed up by not setting up a Stasi style operation on US citizens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Look this really is fascism. Both Democrats and Republicans are involved in it. They have their little cozy gang of Washington insiders and nobody is going to jail if they can keep it going. They are scared to death of an outsider being in the White House. That means possible jail time down the road so they got to politically kill that son of a bitch. Right now the outsider is Trump but it could be anybody. First it was Russian collusion and when that narrative failed well let's try and get him on something else. They find this porn star and now they are trying to blow this narrative up into an impeachable offense. It's gotten to the point of being silly but also scary. The FBI has been politicized. The thing to remember fascists is they eventually go after everyone's rights. Just because they are attacking someone currently that you don't like doesn't mean they won't ruin your life in the future. This all is so Nazi Germany. The witch hunts. The bully tactics. A large number of the public going along with it. Just food for thought. Trump can serve two terms and then he's gone. It wasn't Trump who threw Bernie Sanders under the bus. It was Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. Do you really want people like that in power? Trump is an egomaniac and can say mean things about people but he never rigged elections and threw anyone like Bernie Sanders under the bus. It's the people going after him who throw people under the bus. Mueller has thrown the American people under the bus by turning a blind eye to the drug trade and money laundering banks and many other things. So let's say Trump banging a porn star is true. Who cares. The left sure as hell didn't care that Bill Clinton was getting sucked off in the oval office. Bill Clinton lied under oath. All of us would go to jail for that but not a connected president. Clinton lost his law license in Arkansas and that is all that happened to him. So let's say they manage to get Trump out of office. What does that really mean? Business as usual.
    If you don't use paragraphs people won't read all of what you write.

    A few things - Mueller is a Republican. The porn 'star' is a Republican and at least at one point a Trump supporting one.

    The detailed analysis of the election shows that without the Comey letter the week before the election, Trump wouldn't be president. How does that fit with the pro status quo, deep state agenda?
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-the-election/

    You're like a football fan screaming the referee is a cheat when a decision goes against your team, forgetting all the ones that went against the other side earlier in the game.

    Anyone with even passing knowledge of Trump's career knows that there will be a mountain of skeletons in his closet way beyond most of the usual politician shit.

    Personally my main concern is the present not his past crimes and certainly not who he has fucked. My worry and so should yours be is that someone with his personality and lack of abilities is in a position to destroy the world. Your system and the GOP in particular is so far gone now I find it difficult to imagine what scandal would be needed for a senate to ever impeach him in any case.

    In the same way I couldn't give less of a fuck about Clinton whataboutery. You talk about Russian collusion and the narrative failing, it's not a narrative it's an investigation which hasn't finished and hasn't reported yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Oh Jesus Christ! They DID JUST RAID TRUMPS CLEANING LADY FFS! What do you think this roach Cohen is?
    It's a waste of time. Look it's so obvious. Get Trump on Russian collusion. That narrative failed. Now they are chasing this porn star narrative. It's a fucking joke. Trump should have fired Mueller and he still can fire him. The only thing that is going to take Trump down is if he starts to fail to serve the people who voted him for office. Getting us stuck in Syria is a bigger liability to Trump than anything Mueller is doing. Plus there is confidentiality between a lawyer and their clients. That's the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    If you don't use paragraphs people won't read all of what you write.

    A few things - Mueller is a Republican. The porn 'star' is a Republican and at least at one point a Trump supporting one.

    The detailed analysis of the election shows that without the Comey letter the week before the election, Trump wouldn't be president. How does that fit with the pro status quo, deep state agenda?
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-the-election/

    You're like a football fan screaming the referee is a cheat when a decision goes against your team, forgetting all the ones that went against the other side earlier in the game.

    Anyone with even passing knowledge of Trump's career knows that there will be a mountain of skeletons in his closet way beyond most of the usual politician shit.

    Personally my main concern is the present not his past crimes and certainly not who he has fucked. My worry and so should yours be is that someone with his personality and lack of abilities is in a position to destroy the world. Your system and the GOP in particular is so far gone now I find it difficult to imagine what scandal would be needed for a senate to ever impeach him in any case.

    In the same way I couldn't give less of a fuck about Clinton whataboutery. You talk about Russian collusion and the narrative failing, it's not a narrative it's an investigation which hasn't finished and hasn't reported yet.
    Investigation. Haha! It's called trying to get Trump out of office. So what you are saying is Trump is going to destroy the world so we need to use any means necessary to get rid of him even if he was elected. Ok. Who do you replace him with? Name a name. I will save my laughter for later.

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    Really Trump deserves the Mueller bullshit because he didn't clean house. He should have fired Mueller along with others. Trump tried to play nice. Tried to get along. Well you don't get along in a pit of vipers. As far as the Republicans and Democrats go, they almost aren't relative anymore. Two cheeks on the same butt. Why Trump got elected is he really was neither. He's an independent. He just had to ride the Republican elephant into office but the Republican establishment hates him.

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    The Mueller investigation isn't representative of a Nazi-type "witch hunt" to my mind.

    Let's not forget why the Mueller investigation started in the first place. Had Trump not had so many people working on his campaign who had connections and multiple conversations with senior Russian intelligence officials during the 2016 campaign (and after the election lied about those connections and conversations) while Russia was trying to influence the outcome of that election in Trump's favor, and had Trump not fired Comey and then went on to state that firing Comey relieved pressure Trump was feeling over the Russia investigation, Trump wouldn't be in the predicament he is in today.

    Mueller isn't some "deep state" operative.

    As to Cohen, doubtless the ultimate aim of Mueller is to try and squeeze Cohen via passing along what he had learned about Cohen to the federal prosecutors in New York for additional information by using any and all legal means at his disposal. Unlike Trump, Mueller isn't treating his job like a reality tv show and tweeting viewers asking them to stay tuned to see what happens next.

    If Trump broke the law or if Trump is unfit to discharge the duties of his office and there is sufficient cause for his removal, I hope he is removed. I don't want Trump removed on flimsy pretexts just because I didn't like the election result. Thus far, Trump hasn't destroyed the world, and as for his ability to destroy the world...as a species we have (insanely, to my mind) accepted nuclear weapons as part of our lives for more than half a century. Accepted them in as much as we haven't made serious global mobilization efforts to remove them from our lives. Should Trump be the one who ends up pushing the button and killing us all, it will be the end result of a group psychosis that prompted us to a) build the fucking things in the first place and b) allow deployment of them to be concentrated in that of a single elected official.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Investigation. Haha! It's called trying to get Trump out of office. So what you are saying is Trump is going to destroy the world so we need to use any means necessary to get rid of him even if he was elected. Ok. Who do you replace him with? Name a name. I will save my laughter for later.
    I'd agree to the extent that removing Trump doesn't remove the threat of global destruction via nuclear weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Really Trump deserves the Mueller bullshit because he didn't clean house. He should have fired Mueller along with others. Trump tried to play nice. Tried to get along. Well you don't get along in a pit of vipers. As far as the Republicans and Democrats go, they almost aren't relative anymore. Two cheeks on the same butt. Why Trump got elected is he really was neither. He's an independent. He just had to ride the Republican elephant into office but the Republican establishment hates him.
    Yeah, but clean house and replace them with who? Who else but 2nd and 3rd rate hacks and hambones would go to work for Trump to begin with?

    Trump couldn't even rely on the hacks and hambones he had on his team initially to not fuck up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Investigation. Haha! It's called trying to get Trump out of office. So what you are saying is Trump is going to destroy the world so we need to use any means necessary to get rid of him even if he was elected. Ok. Who do you replace him with? Name a name. I will save my laughter for later.
    I didn't say that, I don't want him in power because he's an egotistical clueless moron. Name a name I would prefer? You. Probably around 85% of the US population.

    There isn't a move to replace him because of his policies in fact his policies are the thing the Republicans like and will keep him in power.

    There is a possible attack on him coming from law enforcement because he is a corrupt liar who isn't smart enough to keep his head down.

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    It's not a fucking 'witch hunt' if there actually are a bunch of witches.

    witch-hunt
    Word forms: plural witch-hunts
    countable noun
    A witch-hunt is an attempt to find and punish a particular group of people who are being blamed for something, often simply because of their opinions and not because they have actually done anything wrong.
    The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
    1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

    2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.


    3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

    4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

    5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

    21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

    22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Really Trump deserves the Mueller bullshit because he didn't clean house. He should have fired Mueller along with others. Trump tried to play nice. Tried to get along. Well you don't get along in a pit of vipers. As far as the Republicans and Democrats go, they almost aren't relative anymore. Two cheeks on the same butt. Why Trump got elected is he really was neither. He's an independent. He just had to ride the Republican elephant into office but the Republican establishment hates him.
    Are you really this fucking stupid or just a Russian bot? Google "Saturday Night Purge" you automaton dipshit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    It's not a fucking 'witch hunt' if there actually are a bunch of witches.



    The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
    1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

    2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.


    3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

    4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

    5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

    21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

    22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.
    So eloquent yet so wasting you're time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It's a waste of time. Look it's so obvious. Get Trump on Russian collusion. That narrative failed. Now they are chasing this porn star narrative. It's a fucking joke. Trump should have fired Mueller and he still can fire him. The only thing that is going to take Trump down is if he starts to fail to serve the people who voted him for office. Getting us stuck in Syria is a bigger liability to Trump than anything Mueller is doing. Plus there is confidentiality between a lawyer and their clients. That's the law.
    Trump "failed" the people (unwashed masses mainly) the minute he took office with his corporate whore tax cut, and anti-labor policies propagated by the ignorance of his elitist shiteheaded cabinet members he appointed (before firing them)...

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    The source said investigators were looking into whether there was a broader pattern of tax fraud, wire fraud, tax evasion, money laundering and other crimes in Cohen’s private dealings, including his work for Trump and some real estate transactions that involved Russian buyers and prices that appeared to be well above market values.

    The source confirmed the FBI was looking into the payments, including the Enquirer link, but they were "not the main focus of that part of the investigation."
    From: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-res...143514582.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It's a waste of time. Look it's so obvious. Get Trump on Russian collusion. That narrative failed. Now they are chasing this porn star narrative. It's a fucking joke. Trump should have fired Mueller and he still can fire him. The only thing that is going to take Trump down is if he starts to fail to serve the people who voted him for office. Getting us stuck in Syria is a bigger liability to Trump than anything Mueller is doing. Plus there is confidentiality between a lawyer and their clients. That's the law.
    Yeah, you tell these fucking liberals, Tucker!

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    There is such a thing called attorney client privilege. It's illegal to raid the attorney's office of someone who is under investigation. That's one thing. Also what happened to Russian collusion and election tampering? That was what the investigation was about. Now it's about porn stars. You can't make this shit up.

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    I might write Mueller and give him some more ideas. How about Donald Trump giving Ron Jeremy a blowjob? Trump likes tall things. He's a hornball over his own daughter. How about an incest scandal? The porn star narrative just isn't juicy enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I might write Mueller and give him some more ideas. How about Donald Trump giving Ron Jeremy a blowjob? Trump likes tall things. He's a hornball over his own daughter. How about an incest scandal? The porn star narrative just isn't juicy enough.
    It's not the porn star narrative not being juicy enough. It's not even that Trump paid Daniels off and asked her to sign a non disclosure agreement. I don't think anybody is surprised in the least that either of those two things happened considering Trump's character.

    It's how Daniels was paid off. Like everything else, with Trump it comes down to HOW he has made his money and moved it around.

    I don't even think Trump knows - or ever knew - all the specifics of his cash flow after he went bust in Atlantic City in the mid-1990s, the same as I don't think Trump knew all of the specifics regarding the activities of various campaign associates and various Russian intelligence officials in 2016. I DO think Trump is shitting a brick in terms of wondering what Mueller's investigation might find out about these things.

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    In simple terms no reputable bank has been willing to lend the Trump organization for years now due to past misdemeanors. With no access to bank credit a developer is fucked. To get around this for a while now they have been going to various dodgy investors many of whom are Russian who were looking to put their assets (or launder depending on how you look at it), into solid real estate. The three people working on these deals has been Ivanka, Krushner and Michael Cohen.

    Cohen is a businessman with a law degree, he's not a day to day lawyer. Nitro is way off the mark with this client privilege stuff. Also do you not think that before granting this warrant, a dozen or more people looked at it including a judge? Of course it's not illegal.

    The suspicion is that Cohen has only been named as Trumps lawyer as a way to give him attorney client privilege as he is the one guy not in the family who knows where all the bodies are buried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    There is such a thing called attorney client privilege. It's illegal to raid the attorney's office of someone who is under investigation. That's one thing. Also what happened to Russian collusion and election tampering? That was what the investigation was about. Now it's about porn stars. You can't make this shit up.
    The election NEVER had anything to do with the Russians, and it's only the idiotic Hillbots making that claim as an excuse for her loss. The election WAS stolen, but that was by Diebold and Kristopher K. Kobach, not by Putin. The true Russian collusion isn't in election tampering, it's in money laundering. And that's probably also the reason that Cheeto refuses to release his tax records, because that would reveal at least part of the paper trail from Moscow to Drumpf Tower & Jared's place at 666 5th Avenue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The election NEVER had anything to do with the Russians, and it's only the idiotic Hillbots making that claim as an excuse for her loss. The election WAS stolen, but that was by Diebold and Kristopher K. Kobach, not by Putin. The true Russian collusion isn't in election tampering, it's in money laundering. And that's probably also the reason that Cheeto refuses to release his tax records, because that would reveal at least part of the paper trail from Moscow to Drumpf Tower & Jared's place at 666 5th Avenue.
    Actually Jared Kushner isn't in bed with the Russians he's in bed with the Chinese who basically own his ass. One reason he shouldn't be in the White House at all. The Chinese hold the debt on 666 5th Avenue and Kushner comes from a very corrupt family out of New Jersey. There definitely is a lot of voting fraud and it's something all political parties need to get serious about or it's going to threaten the democratic voting process. The one person who clearly got screwed was Bernie Sanders. The Democratic Party needs to get rid of the super delegates because that only nullifies the people's vote and allows the Democrat Party leadership to put in who they want. Trump got 18% of the Bernie voters when Hillary stole the nomination. So there are all sorts of problems and both major parties have their fair share of corruption. Maybe we should just screw voting and have a lottery pick the president. Haha! Just have a random sample pick a name from the Social Security data base. It couldn't be any worse than it is now.

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    What we have here is musical investigations. Couldn't nail Trump on the original investigation and now it's a porn star. What next if they can't nail him on the porn star narrative? How much tax money is this investigation wasting? Trump might finish both terms and this thing will still be going on. You can quote all the mumbo jumbo you want but it's obvious what Mueller is going. He's fishing. He's got his net out hoping to catch something. Maybe he should be investigating the uranium one scandal. He would catch a lot there including himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    It's not the porn star narrative not being juicy enough. It's not even that Trump paid Daniels off and asked her to sign a non disclosure agreement. I don't think anybody is surprised in the least that either of those two things happened considering Trump's character.

    It's how Daniels was paid off. Like everything else, with Trump it comes down to HOW he has made his money and moved it around.

    I don't even think Trump knows - or ever knew - all the specifics of his cash flow after he went bust in Atlantic City in the mid-1990s, the same as I don't think Trump knew all of the specifics regarding the activities of various campaign associates and various Russian intelligence officials in 2016. I DO think Trump is shitting a brick in terms of wondering what Mueller's investigation might find out about these things.
    My hell. John F. Kennedy probably had more dirt on him than Trump does. This is just partisan bullshit and I doubt it's going to get Trump out of office. If Trump was the scalawag his political enemies are making him out to be he never would have bothered to run for office. That makes you a target. He would have just stayed out of politics and enjoyed the good life.

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    No the real problem is there is an outsider in the White House. That has all the crooks in Washington scared because they don't know what's going to happen. They can't control it. Believe me if Jeb Bush was in the White House you would have the partisan verbal slagging but everyone would be cool with it. Nobody is going to jail with a Bush in office. It's all about who's inside and who's outside and Democrat and Republican means nothing. Maybe that's why the Dems dumped Bernie. He might be a socialist but maybe he was more independent than they cared for. I don't care if it's a liberal or a conservative you put an outsider independent in the White House and the establishment will do anything it can to get rid of them. The reason why is so nobody goes to jail and they can continue to be the criminals they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    What we have here is musical investigations. Couldn't nail Trump on the original investigation and now it's a porn star. What next if they can't nail him on the porn star narrative? How much tax money is this investigation wasting? Trump might finish both terms and this thing will still be going on. You can quote all the mumbo jumbo you want but it's obvious what Mueller is going. He's fishing. He's got his net out hoping to catch something. Maybe he should be investigating the uranium one scandal. He would catch a lot there including himself.
    How about you just accept that he's a completely corrupt asshole that is borderline mafia and he is bringing this on himself for being a scofflaw and liar? Maybe it's not the FBI's fault they investigate corruption. You keep making these assertions that the search and seizure was illegal. How was it illegal when Trump's own Justice dept. and a federal judge signed off on it? ANd raiding Cohen because he's a slimy, corrupt douche that would make Saul blush has nothing to do with "attorney-client privileged".

    If Trump is an honest businessman and has nothing to hide, WTF are Trump-finger-fuck puppets like Hannity all upset over this?..

    I don't like it, therefore it's illegal the cop stopped me for speeding!
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