Where's all the excitement ?
Where's all the excitement ?
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5 years ago this gig would have been the topic of the week/month. What a drag it is getting old.....
I was listening to the Dave interview in the Mohr podcast these days. One of the really enjoyable talks. Mohr keeps up with Dave's motormouth and even if Dave uses a lot of his standard lines it's interesting.Originally Posted by 78/84 guy
But yeah...most of the bastards here enjoy themselves bashing our hero these days.
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I wouldn't say I really enjoy bashing Roth these days...
He just strikes me as a really odd, self-absorbed person to the utmost degree.
Odd in how he still tries to come across like the stud frontman version of himself circa 1986. Almost as if he's not comfortable aging, or comfortable inside his own skin. And the older he gets, the sillier it comes across.
And, strictly for myself, what Roth brings to the stage now isn't worth seeing. Certainly not worth more than $25 a ticket. It's been that way for me since (and including) the ADKOT/2012 tour.
I mean, one of my personal favorite top rock frontmen of all time. Always will be. But he just got weird as he got old. And his quippy interview one-liners lost their luster after being repeated over a period of thirty years. I think Roth is just one of those types of entertainers where his act was never going to grow old gracefully, or age well, or however you want to put it.
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Thinking about the last 10 years or so of Van Halen and David Lee Roth... It's been a combination of really amazing stuff that rekindled the "magic" those guys used to generate intermixed with really destructive stuff where it all went to shit. Center stage in all that was Roth...
The sad thing to me that killed it all was much of the really entertaining stuff literally got removed from the public domain, then all that was good got stomped on and replaced with half-assed phoned-in performances. Then it all went dark...
If all the content and body of work from 2007 thru the ADKOT tour remained in place it as it had occurred, it would represent a great rebirth of much of the legendary VH/Roth. Everything up through Eddie's Smithsonian presentation... which I suspect was the catalyst for Dave's self-destruction. Then it's like it all got yanked, which literally all the Roth material did and then replaced with sub-par crap.
I really enjoyed all that stuff... The quirky Roth shows, pod casts and especially where the 3 Van Halens were heading from a musical quality perspective. But Dave... in my mind just fucked it all up. He had an amazing collaborative and creative gig in which Shelly produced some really great, entertaining video material. It was the stuff which drew me and many others to Dave's "entertainer" persona! Yeah, some of it was off-the-rails and just plain weird... but still fun if you don't take certain things in life too seriously...
In my mind it's feels like someone snuck into my world and stole all that stuff back because they were butt-hurt over some stupid shit and taking back their fun stuff. Then it all got replaced with cheap sub-par foreign knock-offs... I don't want to be despairing to the Japanese... It's not their fault. Dave should not have tried to reproduce his product in that market. It was a far superior "Made in the USA" product to begin with...
Bottom line... the going dark aspect is what has driven down activity here and all VH/Roth fan site. I really wish those would have been kind enough to leave their body of work out there rather than getting butt-hurt and just pulling it all out of the public realm.
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Jérôme Frenchise (04-20-2018),Terry (04-20-2018)
I think, as others have said in other threads, if you could have fused the 2007 Roth with the 2012 Ed, THAT would have been a really solid reunion show. As it was, in 2008 and 2012, I got to see shows where only 3/4s of the band was functioning well. Unfortunately, in 2008 the 1/4 not functioning well was Eddie, and in 2012 the 1/4 not functioning well was Dave.
I was never expecting the band in 2007 going forward to put out a stellar album and tour with each new year. I knew it wasn't going to be up to the level of CVH even if Anthony had been participating. I think maybe my overall lack of satisfaction with the last decade has to do with having been around when CVH was active, so I know what it was like in terms of frequency of output, and when CVH was active I didn't have to make allowances for seeing the band when Roth couldn't cut it vocally onstage, or Ed was too fucked up to play well. Truth be told, I'm not gonna make allowances for it now. I gave the band two shots to pull it off live over the last decade: the band weren't 100% up to it.
I suppose I COULD not take the thing so seriously and just lower my expectations accordingly, but fuck it. I shouldn't have to. Not when it comes to Van Halen.
I will say Roth pulled out a great series of performances on the first reunion tour, Eddie played great on the last two tours and I liked ADKOT: when ADKOT worked well, it certainly DID rekindle what I loved about the band all those years ago. I passed on Live From The Tokyo Dome (one listen for free online was MORE than enough) and I passed on the 2015 tour...there's just nothing left going on with the band for me to get excited over in anticipation of anymore. What's left? One last greatest hits tour with Mike Anthony? Even if the band reconvenes and does manage to put out another decent album, we'll get maybe two songs played live and the rest of the set will be the same old same old, only sung badly far as the lead vocals go.
$1500 a ticket/ $15000 for a table.
Anybody want to split a table
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Karate style?$1500 a ticket/ $15000 for a table.
Anybody want to split a table
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78/84 guy (04-14-2018)
What big solo gig..?
Terry (04-14-2018)
California Girls and Jump to a backing tape maybe?
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Probably use the same band he had at that last benefit he played ? Then again it doesn't seem like anyone cares though. LOL ! If he comes out singing out of register on half the songs I can see why. Should start rethinking the name of this website. Looks like the Roth Army is almost gone. About all I see on here anymore is people bitching about politics ( get the fuck over it NOTHING is going to change, go enjoy your life ) and that cunt Krusty running her jaw like the cunt she is. Perhaps the Rock Army ? Then again not much going on in the house of music forum either. I guess I see why bitching about politics is the main topic around here......Good luck tonight Dave. I think you might need it.
This forum is what people make of it. It's quiet enough at the moment you could steer it anywhere your imagine takes you just by posting some stuff. In fact that was the reason I was eventually forced to calm ELVIS down because one person posting 50 times a day here could turn it into some sort of anti semitic white supremacist looking thing quite quickly just by virtue of quantity of posts.
I just checked and the official Van Halen website hasn't been updated since July 2015!
That is fucked up.
Name another band in the world that posts something that gets 54 million hits and then doesn't post anything for 3 years.
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When Van Halen has done something, the thread activity on this site has shifted emphasis and placed focus on whatever Van Halen was doing at that time. The site activity shifted not from any moderator manipulation, but because that was what the membership wanted to talk about.
The problem has been that since Cherone left Van Halen, the band hasn't exactly been a hive of activity. For the years 2000, 2001, 2002, most of 2003, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2016, and 2017 there has been fuck all to talk about because the band weren't doing anything. Once Roth rejoined the group, the years that the band haven't been working mirror Roth not doing anything publicly as well.
And there are only going to be so many discussions about how great, say, the Fair Warning album was before you've exhausted all those topics, too.
Couple all of that with active membership slowly declining over the last 15 years, to be sure this site isn't as active as it was in, say, 2004. I don't think that is necessarily reflective of a failure of the site managers evolving the site to attract membership as it is just an illustration of the general public sentiment of Roth and Van Halen these days. Roth and Van Halen are way past their commercial/career peaks. Neither Roth or Van Halen have regularly put out new material in 20 years. I don't know that changing the name of this site to the Rock Army or anything else is going to cause a spike in membership or posting/thread traffic.
Jack68 (04-19-2018)
https://www.houstongrandopera.org/sc...nts/opera-ball
Opera Ball 2018
An Evening in Old Hollywood
Saturday, April 14, 2018│7 p.m.
The Post Oak at Uptown Houston
Chairmen: Doctors Liz Grimm and Jack Roth
Attire: White Tie
Tickets from $1,500, Tables from $15,000
Always a premier occasion on Houston’s gala calendar, Opera Ball brings together the city’s most notable movers, shakers, and tastemakers for an epic evening in support of HGO. 2018 will pay tribute to the Golden Age of Hollywood as we walk the red carpet to a swanky supper club on Sunset, where stars were born and glitz set the stage. Palm trees and the Polo Lounge…cocktail shakers and deal-makers. Fred and Ginger, Garbo, Grant, and Garland...dancing cheek to cheek under the glamorous glow of the Hollywood Hills.
Announcing: Special celebrity guest entertainment by David Lee Roth
In a fitting nod to the bright lights and big stars of southern California, this spectacular night will also feature a rare, private performance by Rock and Roll Hall of Famer, David Lee Roth, sharing hits from his Gold and Platinum solo career and days as lead singer of Van Halen.
Dave shows all the signs of being a grandiose Narcissist. I think David Lee Roth suffers from mental illness and no I'm not joking. He was treated for hyperactivity as a child and started behaving as a narcissist as he got older. I had the misfortune of having a college roommate who was a narcissist. They can be brilliant and hard working but they are hell to be around. My roommate was popular with people who didn't have the misfortune of having to actually live with him. He was a good looking guy who kept himself in shape and was always concerned with how he looked. He was able to get hot looking chicks all the time but he couldn't stay in a relationship. He was the best bullshitter I have ever seen. From the outside such people seem great but if you have to live with them it's pure hell. I think Dave is one of these people. He's probably hell to be around. Probably explains why the guy is a loner with a dog. Only the dog can tolerate him.
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DavidLeeNatra (04-15-2018),Nigel (05-01-2018)
I think mental illness is a bit strong, but I agree that Dave is a massive narcissist to the point of being a borderline sociopath. At least according Noel Monk, Dave completely lacked empathy for anyone and was solely focused on what he wanted and how to get and came across as a petty and jealous a-hole when he was unhappy (i.e. the not getting-laid on tour with Black Sabbath in the UK due to the sausage-fest that was the Sabbath fanbase, and snapping at a roadie who did).
But Dave was also apparently a guy that really didn't need to become a rockstar to get laid and he plowed through women both before and during Van Halen and was certainly enabled to an extent. I suppose his boundless self-confidence and success comes with a price of baggage and the apparent inability sustain both romantic relationships and enduring friendships...
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He certainly had personality flaws and add in the booze and drugs and you have a mess. I'm not saying he was mentally ill to the point of having to be committed to an institution. But he was being treated for hyperactivity when he was young and he showed the signs of being a narcissist and even a sociopath in his adult years. How he is sober I have no idea. He's a recluse and a strange person but then so is Eddie.
I remember a few years back someone saying how they would like to hang with Dave, and I remember thinking that while I would have liked to have hung around him when CVH was active, like, say, hang around backstage while the band was touring and party...that I really didn't have any interest hanging around Dave nowadays, or even meeting the guy. I'd imagine the encounter would be uncomfortable for him, because he clearly enjoys his privacy/solitude and his own company above that of any other person. At least that's the general vibe I get from him.
Like, even if I had the opportunity to meet him in an off-the-record setting, there's plenty of questions I'd have about his career with Van Halen along with his solo stuff, and I'd be interested in hearing his perspectives about all of it. However, he'd probably go into his interview mode routine. I mean, maybe there really isn't even a genuine person underneath the image.
I've met several famous people, from politicians to actors to rock musicians, and the one characteristic all of them had for me is a sense of my being underwhelmed at the reality vs. the image construct I had formulated prior to meeting them. None of which should be surprising in the least, because all celebs are still just people.
I grew up in Sun Valley, Idaho and it's a resort town. One of the oldest ski resorts in the US. There were always celebrities running around there and some even had vacation homes there. Met a few of them. For the most part if you act like a fan a switch flips and they will treat you like a fan. If you just treat them like anyone else and have a normal conversation about something they are interested in they just are normal people having a discussion with you. That's if they have time and want to talk. One thing they don't like is if they are with friends or family at diner and you interrupt them.
Terry (04-15-2018)
Give it another 10 years and then elect him president.
Nickdfresh (04-16-2018),Terry (04-15-2018)
I dunno. All of that may well be true. I don't know the man, but I do know the type you've described.
For me, Roth just got less funny and more weird as he got older. Or maybe it was because I got older and he basically stayed the same. The first time I thought the guy was a bit off was the whole Bar-B-Que video and that early 2000's period. In terms of the point of it. Maybe it was just little more than Roth enjoying hanging out with midgets and models, cavorting around his back yard. It was just this odd sort of tribute to himself...like, you can tell Roth really enjoys his own company, and thinks his every utterance is brilliantly comical and insightful. Then he started wearing that goofy looking platinum blonde hair weave and Krusty The Klown spandex for the Sam and Dave tour a year later, and he began moving into a mildly pathetic realm of an aging rockstar past his prime who can't let go of the past. Then, with the Diamond Dave CD, he apparently was no longer able to come up with enough decent musical ideas to sustain a full-length CD of new material.
He pulled his shit together for the 2007-2008 Van Halen tour. I'll give him that. Really tempered his act, made an effort with the vocals, singing all the lyrics, keeping the onstage rapping to a minimum. Ever since that first Van Halen reunion tour, Roth has basically coasted. Caught an interview of his with Joe Rogan several years back, and there he was, laughing at everything he said, speed rapping a mile a minute about nothing in particular.
I guess the one thing I could say about his post-1996 to 2006 career, uneven as it was in terms of results for me, is that Roth was still doing stuff. I guess with the money he made off the last 3 Van Halen tours, he doesn't have to do stuff anymore.
Whatever. He is entitled to do whatever he wants, or nothing if he wants. He's...what...65? 64? 63? Somewhere in there.
I'd be interested in Van Halen with Roth releasing new material. I don't even really care if they tour anymore. Or if Dave did some new solo stuff and didn't half ass it like the Diamond Dave cd. I'd frankly be more interested in either a new Van Halen album of new material or a new Roth album of new material than another Van Halen Greatest Hits tour. I just don't have that much interest in Roth fronting some random band of nobodys singing Jump in some small venue anymore: I can barely be bothered to watch a youtube clip of that stuff, much less drag my ass out of my house to see it live.
DavidLeeNatra (04-15-2018),Diamondjimi (04-16-2018),ZahZoo (04-20-2018)
But why Van Halen was so good is sure there was a certain amount of natural talent there but everyone in that band busted their ass. They didn't want people to see it. They hid that part from the public eye. Maybe that was Dave's idea who knows but on stage and in the studio they took no prisoners. You don't become that good without busting ass. In a way VH had a secret bunker where they hid in and practiced. Haha!
What we saw in pubic was a show. What's interesting is Sammy Hagar made an observation on that Sam and Dave tour that says a lot. Sammy thought Dave would be a fun party guy. Dave was just the opposite. He just stayed in his dressing room and only hung with a tight group. His security kept everyone away. With Dave everything is calculated and he's not really as free wheeling as he claims. He puts on a show but who is the real Dave? Not even people who were in bands with him can tell you an answer on that. Much like Ronald Reagan. People who worked with Ronald Reagan said the real Ron was someone you never really saw. What you saw was a well polished image. These types of people can put a great show on in front of a crowd but they become recluses in real life. They have their little circle of insiders which tends to be surprisingly small. They plot and plan and practice their image and presentation. In Dave's case he then says I'm just free wheeling through life when in actuality he has been busting his ass behind the scenes to be Diamond Dave.
I have gotten the sense as the years have passed that the image Roth presents has less to do with the offstage reality, whereas it always felt back in the Van Halen and early solo days that the image was less of a construct.
And the image is what earns him his bread, so I understand the construct. I think the irony is that on the whole the people who still buy tickets to Van Halen shows really don't care about that image anymore. Yet there he is with his Wacky Uncle Dave Funky Chicken dance routines onstage as he's pushing 60 years old. He goes with what he knows.
Juxtapose that with Hagar, who by all accounts is who he is and is comfortable with who he is.
Yes. Stupid people with big egos usually are comfortable...
Terry (04-15-2018)
At this point I think it might help membership. I guess if Van Halen/ Roth was as big worldwide as say Zeppelin it probably would be fine to leave the name the same. But as they do less & less ( that's the trend ) calling it the Rock Army might bring in more people. That brings in more topics & discussions. Hey Van Haen & Roth are getting old. So are their fans. Finding other things to do. Dedicated a section to them because that's what started it all and move forward with other band/ topics. Hell I used to be on here 4 times a week. That's down to 4 times a year. At least it seems that way. Watching that cunt Krusty derail almost every thread got old fast also.
Just noticed you are the newcomer member in this thread.
Happy 13th year sir!
I find it striking that if you look at the comments on YouTube about Roth or Van Halen they tend to be more positive these days than what you would find here in general and YouTube is famously negative about everything.
I think they are a band like JFK, you'll like them more as people if you don't know too much about them.
Terry (04-15-2018)
We had an inside exclusive here on the setlist!
When I googled "David Lee Roth Houston" earlier today I found that mash-up I posted in the other thread...
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I had something similar happen earlier in the week, it's a reason not to change the domain name.
You think Dave sings badly these days. Try Bon Jovi at the RHOF...
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Didn't even bother watching the RnRHoF. Had seen a few clips of Bon Jovi live a few years ago: it was clear the band was tuned down at least a 1/2 step from the original recordings, and even with that advantage Bon Jovi was struggling.
After the show Jon said it was Alec John Such's fault...
Terry (04-17-2018)
JBJ has been like that for a while. Reminds me of Frankie Valli in the early 80's, when everyone thought he was going deaf.
Almost went to the induction, but it was a 2 ticket limit when they went on sale to HOF members. There were five or six of us who wanted to go. I ended up going to see the Darkness instead.
Trying to revive this thread a little. Hair ones will often get so delirious.
No one mentioned the bald spot on Dave's head yet? One hair thread comiiiiin' uuuuup!
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Terry (04-16-2018)
In fairness it looked like a patch of hair on an otherwise actively balding head. At least his singing was subpar. But that “look at me dancin” smile while wearing those special, special duds was awesome. Dave hasnt felt this pretty in some time. He never disappoints when he skips his way into so many hearts......
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Terry (07-01-2018)
Well I guess at least it proves it was live...
It probably sounded a lot better if you were there and it was loud and not through a phone mike.
Naaah....Jon's voice is shot. He sounds really awful. And he looks like he doesn't want to do it anymore.
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