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    Socialism can work but you have to have very honest people in the system and it tends to fail with large populations. Socialism tends to go broke due to people cheating the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Do you really believe that?

    Not being sarcastic...I wouldn't want to take odds on that happening, since I can easily see Trump making it to the end of his term...and possibly winning another one.
    Trump is surrounded by enemies and they will wear him down. Mueller is successfully using the RICO laws and has legally managed to get past the Attorney/Client Privilege and now he's got everything. Cohen was Trump's fixer. I don't think they will really find anything that criminal but they can dig up juicy stuff that Trump wants hidden. Add this on top of the stress of being president and you can crack a tough egg. It's psychological warfare. We will have to see what dirt they throw out. They are hoping Trump will just say fuck it and resign. Trump has a huge ego and likes to win but a lot of that is bravado. We are going to see how tough The Donald actually is.

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    The cult of Bernie. The cult of Hillary and the cult of Trump. Pretty much what it all is with very little meat in the burger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Socialism can work but you have to have very honest people in the system and it tends to fail with large populations. Socialism tends to go broke due to people cheating the system.
    Unlike unregulated capitalism?

    When people cheat the benefits of 'socialism' they get a few bucks more and spend it so it goes back into the economy.

    When people cheat the system when it's built on state funded militarism, a few people at the top make billions and there is a constant pressure to justify it by finding wars to take part in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Trump is surrounded by enemies and they will wear him down. Mueller is successfully using the RICO laws and has legally managed to get past the Attorney/Client Privilege and now he's got everything. Cohen was Trump's fixer. I don't think they will really find anything that criminal but they can dig up juicy stuff that Trump wants hidden. Add this on top of the stress of being president and you can crack a tough egg. It's psychological warfare. We will have to see what dirt they throw out. They are hoping Trump will just say fuck it and resign. Trump has a huge ego and likes to win but a lot of that is bravado. We are going to see how tough The Donald actually is.
    Trump has surrounded himself with criminals which is why the system is now wearing him down. In the same way that you can't even get a blowie without a ridiculous amount of shit when you are president, being shady as fuck is going to come back to haunt you.

    Cohen was never Trumps attorney he was his guy for making crooked deals and as you say fixer. He only became Trumps lawyer very recently as a way to try and hide behind attorney/client privilege which doesn't extend to protecting criminality.

    I don't quite get why you come across as being sympathetic to this.

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    Wow...Fox just gets more and more ludicrous these days. It's like PRAVDA or something.


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    So Hannity isn't a client and Cohen isn't his attorney, but he expected attorney-client privilege?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Trump is surrounded by enemies and they will wear him down. Mueller is successfully using the RICO laws and has legally managed to get past the Attorney/Client Privilege and now he's got everything. Cohen was Trump's fixer. I don't think they will really find anything that criminal but they can dig up juicy stuff that Trump wants hidden. Add this on top of the stress of being president and you can crack a tough egg. It's psychological warfare. We will have to see what dirt they throw out. They are hoping Trump will just say fuck it and resign. Trump has a huge ego and likes to win but a lot of that is bravado. We are going to see how tough The Donald actually is.
    Yeah...maybe.

    I mean, who really knows what Mueller has. Even if Mueller just managed to dig up Trump's financials and an accurate estimate of Trump's actual net worth, making that public would be enough to send Trump into a tizzy.

    Far as toughness, I will say Trump knows how to counter-punch. At least legally in terms of both initiating lawsuits and not running for cover whenever he has been sued. How useful those tactics would be against Mueller is an open question, and I tend to think not very much: Trump through his lawyers has said that any investigations about Trump's finances or activities outside of the Russian angle would be a red line, but apparently Trump had a hard time wrapping his mind around the concept that Mueller doesn't take marching orders from or adhere to guidelines set by Trump: Mueller reports to Rosenstein, and Rosenstein isn't going to be a proxy telling Mueller what to do based on what Trump wants.

    As of yet, there's no direct evidence demonstrating Trump ordered his campaign surrogates to collude with Russian intelligence officials. There are plenty of patterns suggesting sketchy behavior on the part of his surrogates that Trump SHOULD have known about.

    I think Trump is just riding all of this out, because he has nothing to lose by waiting. He can pardon everyone convicted as the result of Mueller's investigations. I believe Trump can even pardon himself should it come down to it. Maybe Trump is just waiting to see what the congressional midterms bring: should the Dems retake Congress, Trump could end up ordering Rosenstein to fire Mueller during the interim period between the elections and the swearing in. If Rosenstein won't fire Mueller, Trump certainly can fire Rosenstein and keep firing down the line under he gets someone at the DOJ who WILL fire Mueller a la Bork and Cox in 1973.

    All of which assumes that Mueller will still BE investigating 6 months from now when the mid terms come around.

    As long as Trump can still go out and hold packed rallies, I don't see him resigning. Why would he? I mean, short of there actually being video of the Russian hookers peeing on the bed and Trump watching, I can't see what disclosures would mortify Trump enough to resign. Mostly because the man knows no shame.
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    I really don't think the public care if Trump had hookers piss up a bed. Most probably would love to see the video. There have been so many grab ass presidents. Even Eisenhower had an affair. I don't think anyone believes Donald Trump is a saint. It boils down to self interest. People support politicians who get them something or there is the illusion of betting something from them. Simple as that. Trump's weak point is he's an outsider. He's got the establishment on both sides of the isle wanting him gone. He's only popular with his base. Maybe some of his latest actions are trying to appease the neocons but that's going to hurt him with the voting base. Donald has Alex Jones going apeshit now. Haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Yeah...maybe.

    I mean, who really knows what Mueller has. Even if Mueller just managed to dig up Trump's financials and an accurate estimate of Trump's actual net worth, making that public would be enough to send Trump into a tizzy.

    Far as toughness, I will say Trump knows how to counter-punch. At least legally in terms of both initiating lawsuits and not running for cover whenever he has been sued. How useful those tactics would be against Mueller is an open question, and I tend to think not very much....
    Yeah, not very. Trump loses the majority of his lawsuits, IIRC. Trying to instigate frivolous lawsuits with an increasing smaller pool of lousy lawyers will not help his case. Apparently Trump dosen't seem to pay his bills, which is effecting his ability to retain lawyers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Yeah, not very. Trump loses the majority of his lawsuits, IIRC. Trying to instigate frivolous lawsuits with an increasing smaller pool of lousy lawyers will not help his case. Apparently Trump dosen't seem to pay his bills, which is effecting his ability to retain lawyers...
    Apparently, Trump has now added Rudy Giuliani on his legal team in order to "help negotiate the end of the probe"...when was the last time Giulinai even practiced law? The late 1980s/early 1990s? And what exactly is there to "negotiate" anyway? The probe will be done either when Mueller decides it is, or when Trump fires Mueller: Giuliani, as part of Trump's legal team, has no realistic standing to "negotiate" anything with Mueller in terms of the probe ending.

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