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  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32798

    #31
    Originally posted by Kristy
    See, here is is, folks! Straight propaganda from the pseudo-left. slave FORD still refuses to admit even his master Bernie and the rest of his pseudo-lef groups are pro-war because they belong to a privileged upper-middle class layer that stands to benefit materially from the imperialist pillaging of the Middle East. Every single god damn one of them.
    Same cheeks on the same butt. Both the Democrats and Republicans are owned by the military industrial complex. Washington DC and the middle east are quite similar. It's impossible to find good leadership in either place.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • Kristy
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 16340

      #32
      I don't care. slave FORD needs to come clean about master Bernie.

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      • Nitro Express
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 32798

        #33
        Trump is toast. Mike Pence will be taking over. The only question will be will Trump resign or will he be fired?
        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32798

          #34
          Originally posted by Kristy
          I don't care. slave FORD needs to come clean about master Bernie.
          Democratic socialist my ass. Bernie is quite the capitalist. He sure seemed to like Clinton Foundation money. Really he didn't get a bad deal. Take the fall and get paid and enjoy the money you got without having to be bothered by being president. Senators really don't do anything anymore. Lot's of vacation time to enjoy things.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • Terry
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 11962

            #35
            Originally posted by Nitro Express
            Trump is toast. Mike Pence will be taking over. The only question will be will Trump resign or will he be fired?
            Do you really believe that?

            Not being sarcastic...I wouldn't want to take odds on that happening, since I can easily see Trump making it to the end of his term...and possibly winning another one.
            Scramby eggs and bacon.

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49210

              #36
              Originally posted by Kristy
              Politely go and fuck yourself. They most certainly did, you CNN troll.
              Oh look, the pothead is a military analyst now!

              Please post the articles where is says this, moron...
              Last edited by Nickdfresh; 04-16-2018, 07:13 PM.

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49210

                #37
                Originally posted by Nitro Express
                Democratic socialist my ass. Bernie is quite the capitalist. He sure seemed to like Clinton Foundation money. Really he didn't get a bad deal. Take the fall and get paid and enjoy the money you got without having to be bothered by being president. Senators really don't do anything anymore. Lot's of vacation time to enjoy things.
                I haven't looked into it, but I've never heard him claim the socialist mantle. Mostly in interviews he sounds like an FDR-style capitalist advocating reforms and regulation, but not nationalization, of business...

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49210

                  #38
                  Upon further review, here's a Fortune magazine article on Sanders and why he isn't really a "democratic socialist" despite adopting the moniker:

                  Donald Brand, a professor of political science at the College of the Holy Cross, explains why.


                  In short, he wants to break up banks and not nationalize them, which isn't socialism at all but a throwback to The New Deal style of regulation and reform...

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                  • Seshmeister
                    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                    • Oct 2003
                    • 35201

                    #39
                    It's all in the definition. Half the political parties in Europe are in a Democratic Socialist alliance in the EU including the likes of Tony Blair's party and no one there looks like wanting to start nationalising banks any time soon.

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58794

                      #40
                      The cold war mentality programmed everybody to equate "socialism" with "communism". And for that matter, to equate "communism" with Stalin's USSR or Mao's China, as opposed to anything Karl Marx actually wrote about.

                      Of course Marx based his theories on the old Jewish Kibbutz system. Bernie himself actually lived in a Kibbutz in Israel for a while.... of course that was back in the pre-Likud/NuttyYahoo days, when there was still some sanity present in that country's leadership.

                      I consider myself a "Democratic Socialist" in the same way that Bernie does.... in the respect that some things, such as infrastructure, education, and healthcare (among others) should NEVER be privately owned, for profit systems. But I have never, nor will ever advocate that government own "the means of production". I don't mind that corporations make my shoes, my car, or my TV. I'd just rather they did so in America and paid their workers a living wage.
                      Eat Us And Smile

                      Cenk For America 2024!!

                      Justice Democrats


                      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                      • Nitro Express
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 32798

                        #41
                        Socialism can work but you have to have very honest people in the system and it tends to fail with large populations. Socialism tends to go broke due to people cheating the system.
                        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32798

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Terry
                          Do you really believe that?

                          Not being sarcastic...I wouldn't want to take odds on that happening, since I can easily see Trump making it to the end of his term...and possibly winning another one.
                          Trump is surrounded by enemies and they will wear him down. Mueller is successfully using the RICO laws and has legally managed to get past the Attorney/Client Privilege and now he's got everything. Cohen was Trump's fixer. I don't think they will really find anything that criminal but they can dig up juicy stuff that Trump wants hidden. Add this on top of the stress of being president and you can crack a tough egg. It's psychological warfare. We will have to see what dirt they throw out. They are hoping Trump will just say fuck it and resign. Trump has a huge ego and likes to win but a lot of that is bravado. We are going to see how tough The Donald actually is.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32798

                            #43


                            The cult of Bernie. The cult of Hillary and the cult of Trump. Pretty much what it all is with very little meat in the burger.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35201

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Nitro Express
                              Socialism can work but you have to have very honest people in the system and it tends to fail with large populations. Socialism tends to go broke due to people cheating the system.
                              Unlike unregulated capitalism?

                              When people cheat the benefits of 'socialism' they get a few bucks more and spend it so it goes back into the economy.

                              When people cheat the system when it's built on state funded militarism, a few people at the top make billions and there is a constant pressure to justify it by finding wars to take part in.
                              Last edited by Seshmeister; 04-16-2018, 11:55 PM.

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                              • Seshmeister
                                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                                • Oct 2003
                                • 35201

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Nitro Express
                                Trump is surrounded by enemies and they will wear him down. Mueller is successfully using the RICO laws and has legally managed to get past the Attorney/Client Privilege and now he's got everything. Cohen was Trump's fixer. I don't think they will really find anything that criminal but they can dig up juicy stuff that Trump wants hidden. Add this on top of the stress of being president and you can crack a tough egg. It's psychological warfare. We will have to see what dirt they throw out. They are hoping Trump will just say fuck it and resign. Trump has a huge ego and likes to win but a lot of that is bravado. We are going to see how tough The Donald actually is.
                                Trump has surrounded himself with criminals which is why the system is now wearing him down. In the same way that you can't even get a blowie without a ridiculous amount of shit when you are president, being shady as fuck is going to come back to haunt you.

                                Cohen was never Trumps attorney he was his guy for making crooked deals and as you say fixer. He only became Trumps lawyer very recently as a way to try and hide behind attorney/client privilege which doesn't extend to protecting criminality.

                                I don't quite get why you come across as being sympathetic to this.

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