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    Orange Imbecile & Russian Asshole say : Bring On World War Three!!

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    Trump To Violate Iran Nuclear Deal, Vows To Reimpose Sanctions
    05/08/2018 02:28 pm ET



    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump announced on Tuesday the United States will withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal.

    The U.S. will not extend waivers on sanctions targeting Iran’s nuclear program, effectively ending its compliance with the 2015 international agreement under which Iran accepted restrictions on its nuclear program in exchange for economic relief.

    “I am announcing today that the U.S. will withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal,” Trump said at the White House. “We will be instituting the highest level of economic sanctions.”

    Trump accused the deal ― officially called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) ― of being poorly negotiated and lacking enforcement mechanisms. He said it allows Iran to develop a nuclear weapon in a short time, but offered no evidence to back these assertions. Trump also cited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s April 30 presentation on Iran’s nuclear program, which alleged that Iran lied about its past nuclear activities before negotiating the nuclear deal.

    “At the heart of the Iran deal was a giant fiction: that a murderous regime desired only a peaceful nuclear energy program. Today, we have definitive proof that this Iranian promise was a lie,” Trump said.

    Nuclear experts and European officials criticized Netanyahu’s speech for pandering to Trump and offering essentially no new information on Iran’s nuclear activities. Much of Netanyahu’s presentation centered on information that was publicly available in a 2007 declassified intelligence report, and Netanyahu did not state that Iran was in current violation of the deal.

    European officials, who pushed for Trump to uphold the deal, condemned the president’s decision to pull out. French President Emmanuel Macron tweeted shortly after Trump’s speech that France, Germany and the United Kingdom regret the U.S. decision and that “we will work collectively on a broader framework.” The European Union’s top diplomat Federica Mogherini said that the deal was working and fulfilling its promise.

    Former President Barack Obama, who touted the Iran deal as one of his chief foreign policy accomplishments, put out a statement criticizing Trump’s decision to undo the agreement.

    “Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America’s closest allies, and an agreement that our country’s leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated,” Obama said.

    It is not immediately clear what will happen next. The 2015 nuclear agreement was negotiated among Iran, the U.S. and five other countries — the U.K, France, Germany, China and Russia ― which urged the U.S. not to withdraw. Last month, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif suggested that if the U.S. pulled out of the nuclear accord, his country could also exit the deal and resume its nuclear program at a “much greater speed.” Iran has no reason to continue to abide by the agreement if the economic benefits “start to diminish,” he said.

    But most of the economic benefits Iran receives through the nuclear deal do not come directly from the U.S., which maintains a primary embargo against Iran. When Trump previously waived sanctions, he suspended secondary sanctions, which penalize other countries for doing business with Iran.

    “If you take away U.S. sanctions relief, you are taking away probably the most powerful incentive the Iranians had to do their part,” said Richard Nephew, a former State Department official who worked on Iran sanctions policy.

    When Trump threatened to pull out of the nuclear agreement last year, the European Union’s ambassador to the U.S., David O’Sullivan, warned that the EU could invoke a blocking statute that would protect European businesses from U.S. secondary sanctions. Theoretically, this means that Iran could continue receiving economic benefits under the 2015 deal and would be compelled to maintain the restrictions on its nuclear program.

    But implementing this blocking mechanism or other steps to preserve the deal would be technically difficult and diplomatically risky for European countries.

    “It’s going to be a herculean task,” said Reza Marashi, a National Iranian American Council analyst and former State Department official who just returned from two weeks of meeting with officials and experts in Europe.

    “The real meat on the bones would take at least a year to implement, and they have no plan for anything ... they’ve spent most of their energy trying to figure out a way for Trump to stay in.”

    Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said after Trump’s announcement that Iran will continue its commitment to the deal and negotiate with the remaining countries. If talks fail, he said that Iran could once again begin enriching uranium. Ahead of Trump’s announcement, Rouhani warned that Iranians could face “some problems” in the coming months.

    The International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors the use of nuclear energy, has verified Iranian compliance with the agreement multiple times since 2015, most recently in March. Defense Secretary James Mattis, an outspoken critic of the Iranian government, testified before Congress on April 26 that the nuclear deal provided “robust” measures to inspect Iran’s nuclear program and verify that it is complying with the deal.

    Trump has called the Iran nuclear agreement the “worst deal ever” and has long pressed his advisers to come up with an alternative strategy to contain Iran’s nuclear efforts. When his advisers failed to deliver, Trump ordered Congress in October to pass legislation that would unilaterally change U.S. commitments under the deal. Two Republican lawmakers briefly tried but failed to attract enough supporters. So Trump turned to the Europeans with an ultimatum: Find a way to fix the deal before May 12, when sanctions waivers would need to be extended, or the U.S. will walk away.

    Trump wanted the Europeans to cobble together a supplemental agreement that would impose further limits on Iran’s ballistic missile program and get rid of the deal’s sunset clauses — expiration dates on some of the restrictions on the country’s nuclear program.

    Getting rid of the sunset provisions would require fundamentally changing the terms of the 2015 deal — a move that would require approval from all parties.

    The leaders of the U.K., Germany and France have argued that the U.S. should remain in the nuclear deal and work with European countries to address Iran’s missile program and develop a plan for what to do after parts of the agreement expire.

    Even as the Europeans worked to create a solution that would appease Trump, he ousted two of his advisers who reportedly advocated sticking with the JCPOA: Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and national security adviser H.R. McMaster. They were replaced by Mike Pompeo and John Bolton, respectively, hawkish figures who have pushed for military confrontation with Iran.

    On April 30, Netanyahu said Israeli intelligence had uncovered a trove of documents that showed Iran lied about its past nuclear work when it signed the nuclear agreement in 2015 — which is widely acknowledged, including by proponents of the nuclear deal.

    The dramatic televised presentation appeared to be part of an effort to bolster Trump’s argument for exiting the nuclear deal. Israeli officials briefed Trump on the documents two months ago, Barak Ravid of Israel’s Channel 10 News reported.

    In some ways, Netanyahu’s presentation highlighted key reasons to keep the 2015 deal alive, nonproliferation experts argued.

    “If you think Iran lied — which it did — then the last thing you should ever contemplate doing is killing the JCPOA, removing the limits that it places on Iran’s nuclear program, and cutting off the extraordinary access that the agreement provides to the IAEA,” Jeffrey Lewis, the founder of the nonproliferation blog Arms Control Wonk, wrote in Foreign Policy on May 1. “If you do that, Iran’s nuclear program is very likely to end up looking like North Korea’s.”

    Akbar Ahmed contributed to this report.
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    Senator Bernie Sanders Responds

    President Trump’s speech today was the latest in a series of reckless decisions that move our country closer to conflict. By reimposing nuclear sanctions on Iran and withdrawing from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, otherwise known as the Iran Nuclear Agreement, President Trump has put our nation on a dangerous path.

    We should understand that the JCPOA is not just an agreement between the United States and Iran, but one negotiated alongside other members of the international community including the United Kingdom, France, and Germany, along with China and Russia. The United Nations Security Council also endorsed it.

    Trump’s decision isolates the United States from our most important European allies who all continue to support the agreement and have consistently said that it is in their own national security interests to see it upheld.

    With today’s announcement, President Trump has also ignored the public statements of his own national security officials like Joint Chiefs Chairman Dunford and Defense Secretary Mattis, both of whom have repeatedly said that staying in the agreement is in the national security interests of the United States.

    This agreement is supported by an overwhelming consensus of national security experts around the world. And, I would note, that includes in Israel. Last month, 26 former top-ranking Israeli military and security officials signed a letter urging the United States to maintain the agreement, stating unequivocally that the deal is working and that a U.S. decision to pull out would undermine not just U.S. security, but Israel’s security as well.

    These Israeli security leaders wrote, “The consensus among military and intelligence agencies around the world — including Israel’s own defense community — is that the pact is working… Israel’s security interests would be served best if the United States chooses to remain in the agreement, and work with its allies and other parties to the agreement on further diplomatic actions to address other aspects of Iranian policy in the Middle East.”

    Withdrawing from the agreement could not only free Iran from the limits placed on its nuclear program, it would seriously harm America’s ability to negotiate future nonproliferation agreements, such as one with North Korea. Why would any country in the world sign such an agreement with the United States, and make the touch concessions, if they thought that a reckless president might simply discard that agreement a few years later?

    If we are genuinely concerned with Iran’s behavior in the region, as I am, this is the worst possible course. It will make addressing all of these other problems harder. Unfortunately, I heard no strategy from Trump today, just the usual bluster.

    But bluster and Iran-bashing will not get us to a better future. Ultimately, we must seek a better relationship with the Iranian people and a more constructive role for Iran in the region. Trump’s bellicose rhetoric today makes achieving those goals more difficult. It will strengthen the regime’s hardliners, who are much more comfortable dealing with a hostile America than with a reasonable, peace-seeking one.After 17 years of war in Afghanistan and 15 years of war in Iraq, the American people do not want to be engaged in never-ending wars in the Middle East. I am deeply concerned that that is exactly where President Trump is taking us with regard to Iran. And for anyone who tries to dismiss those concerns, I would remind you that his newly installed National Security Adviser John Bolton wrote an article a few years ago entitled “To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran.” Now Donald Trump seems to be creating his own excuse for doing exactly that.

    Importantly, I would remind my fellow Americans that the road to the Iraq war did not simply begin in 2003. It was laid down brick by brick over a number of years, with policy decisions that might have seemed relatively small at the time, but that ultimately led us to the worst foreign policy blunder in the modern history of our country. The Iraq war had enormous unintended consequences that we are still dealing with today, and will be for many years to come. Indeed, one of those unintended consequences was the empowering of Iran in the Middle East.

    It is folly to imagine that, having unleashed these problems through the misuse of military force, we can solve them in the same way. Real American leadership, and real American power, is not shown by our ability to blow things up, but by our ability to bring parties together, to forge international consensus around shared problems, and then to mobilize that consensus to address those problems. That is what this agreement did.

    Unfortunately, today President Trump put us on a very different, more dangerous path.

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    I say pull out of the middle east. The US has no national interests there. Iran is on the edge of having a revolution. I might be willing to support an overthrow of Iran's radical government using covert strategies. Israel is the problem. It needs an enemy. It needs a reason for the US to continue to support it. The fact is Israel cannot survive without support from the US. They know it. The willingness to support Israel is waining. Also Netanyahu and his wife are criminals. They need a distraction to dodge jail. A war is good for that. The Iran deal sucked. It allowed Iran to choose it's own inspectors plus why pay in all that cash unless you want to not leave a money trail through the banking system? What's to say the Obama Administration didn't get to skim some of that cash? Why not just wire it instead of flying pallets of bills into Iran. The whole thing is shady.

    I did enjoy Bibi's presentation of a wall of binders and CD's supposedly recovered from a warehouse in Teran as evidence why we need to bomb Iran. I guess we should bomb it as a send off present to John McCain.
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    I've been wondering about these 'payments' that the US made to Iran under the deal so I looked it up.

    Is it well known that all the money was actually Iran's? They were allowed to access some of their own money again that had been held in foreign bank accounts which had been frozen under international sanctions.

    The rest of the money was a $400 million refund the US owed Iran in arms deals she had been paid for but never delivered.

    If they want some of that in hard currency surely that's up to them?
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    The US has been diddling around with Iran for decades.

    I can't say for sure how I feel about pulling out of the JCPOA in terms of the effects it will have regarding Iran ramping up a nuclear weapons program. However, on the face of it the situation of the US having the largest amount of nuclear weapons in the world and from that position ordering other countries not to develop them...I honestly can't say I don't understand why North Korea, Iran and any other country wouldn't want to develop them given America's history of invading other countries that don't have a nuclear weapons capacity...with Iraq being only the most recent example.

    I think if the US wants other countries not to pursue obtaining nuclear weapons capability, then America should be leading from example by way of pushing mass disarmament talks with Russia. Juxtapose this with the US saying to North Korea and Iran that America won't stand for them having a nuclear weapons program while simultaneously announcing that we're going to spend a trillion dollars plus upgrading our own nuclear weapons.

    Goddamn ridiculous.
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    Those of us with brains have known it was Iran's money this whole time. It's the usual suspects - FAUX Noize & AM hate radio - that were pushing the bullshit narrative of "Obama paying a bribe" or however they tried to frame it.

    And of course, Cheeto gets all of his "intelligence briefings" from FAUX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    The US has been diddling around with Iran for decades.

    I can't say for sure how I feel about pulling out of the JCPOA in terms of the effects it will have regarding Iran ramping up a nuclear weapons program. However, on the face of it the situation of the US having the largest amount of nuclear weapons in the world and from that position ordering other countries not to develop them...I honestly can't say I don't understand why North Korea, Iran and any other country wouldn't want to develop them given America's history of invading other countries that don't have a nuclear weapons capacity...with Iraq being only the most recent example.

    I think if the US wants other countries not to pursue obtaining nuclear weapons capability, then America should be leading from example by way of pushing mass disarmament talks with Russia. Juxtapose this with the US saying to North Korea and Iran that America won't stand for them having a nuclear weapons program while simultaneously announcing that we're going to spend a trillion dollars plus upgrading our own nuclear weapons.

    Goddamn ridiculous.
    Dream on. The US always wants to maintain it's first strike capability. Since the US Dollar is the world's reserve currency there is no excuse not to have first strike capability. The real problem is we don't need our big military machine which much of it is outdated like aircraft carriers. We start wars with smaller countries to feed the machine. With 60% of our budget being spent on the military it creates a lot of jobs and it has a lot of political pull. No member of congress whether they are Democrat or Republican refuses money from the military industrial complex. The original reason we messed with the middle east and western Asia was the cold war. Before us the British were messing around in there. Now we are going into a new Cold War. They say our biggest geopolitical challenge this century will be access to fresh water. That will cause new wars. It ain't a perfect world and the more technology we acquire the more power we have to screw ourselves. Why we haven't caused thermonuclear war yet is amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I've been wondering about these 'payments' that the US made to Iran under the deal so I looked it up.

    Is it well known that all the money was actually Iran's? They were allowed to access some of their own money again that had been held in foreign bank accounts which had been frozen under international sanctions.

    The rest of the money was a $400 million refund the US owed Iran in arms deals she had been paid for but never delivered.

    If they want some of that in hard currency surely that's up to them?
    There are so many different explanations on that deal it's hard to know who's telling the truth. Iran is ran by a bunch of crooks. The US is ran by a bunch of crooks. Lies Lies Lies. Who knows what the truth really is. Once thing for sure. That's a lot of cash and when lot's of cash is being transferred it's usually not for good reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Those of us with brains have known it was Iran's money this whole time. It's the usual suspects - FAUX Noize & AM hate radio - that were pushing the bullshit narrative of "Obama paying a bribe" or however they tried to frame it.

    And of course, Cheeto gets all of his "intelligence briefings" from FAUX.
    We have 18 intelligence agencies. Who knows where the president is getting his intelligence from. The last couple of presidents seemed to be bitch boys to the CIA.

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    Well, the CIA has been a subsidiary of the BCE from day one, so obviously they were behind the curtain for the Eisenhower/Nixon years. Directly running the show during the Reagan/Poppy years. And running the puppet show during the Chimp term (including stealing the elections that put him there)

    As far as their role in the Clinton & Obama years, that's debatable either way. Poppy's friendship with Bill & Obama hanging a "medal of freedom" around the old bastard's neck - despite all the crimes & treason he has committed against this country- certainly doesn't speak in their favor.

    And if you think Cheeto is exempt from that, well not so fast........



    Pretty obvious from this photo who absolutely was NOT part of the BCE/CIA club on any level.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Those of us with brains have known it was Iran's money this whole time. It's the usual suspects - FAUX Noize & AM hate radio - that were pushing the bullshit narrative of "Obama paying a bribe" or however they tried to frame it.

    And of course, Cheeto gets all of his "intelligence briefings" from FAUX.
    Didn’t the money belong to Valerie Jarrett??

    I heard the money came from the treasury department’s judgment fund. Any of the people with brains here heard of the treasury department’s judgment fund prior to BHOle?

    No? None of the TARDO’s remember the conversations about risk corridors? Socialized medicine? Doesn’t ring a bell? The good news is that the helmets we gave you as children to be able to play in the backyard worked. But nothing got through after that.

    The orange imbecile will get his eyes but on the books just as soon as stormys lawyer pulls his fingers out from under the socialist press noses. Then they’ll be forced to report on the returning hostages the orange imbecile brought back.

    Winning again….
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    Stop using the bathtub meth, Jerksmear. Your posts are completely unintelligible when you're binging on that shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Stop using the bathtub meth, Jerksmear. Your posts are completely unintelligible when you're binging on that shit.
    Bathtub meth is for millennials and people with OCD. I'll tell ya' TARD, the only funnier than your big brain brand of humor is office humor. You're right there with Cathy. Don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I say pull out of the middle east. The US has no national interests there.
    Well, realistically there is still that oil thing. I know we get less from that region but even a small percentage is huge. But I think the US should look back at synthetic fuels and stop sucking the House of Saud's dick and stop mindlessly supporting the Saudi vs. Iran cold war. Especially with the bloodbath they're conducting in Yemen with their inept landforces..

    Iran is on the edge of having a revolution. I might be willing to support an overthrow of Iran's radical government using covert strategies. Israel is the problem. It needs an enemy. It needs a reason for the US to continue to support it. The fact is Israel cannot survive without support from the US. They know it. The willingness to support Israel is waining. Also Netanyahu and his wife are criminals. They need a distraction to dodge jail. A war is good for that. The Iran deal sucked. It allowed Iran to choose it's own inspectors plus why pay in all that cash unless you want to not leave a money trail through the banking system? What's to say the Obama Administration didn't get to skim some of that cash? Why not just wire it instead of flying pallets of bills into Iran. The whole thing is shady.
    I agree but think the US should by-and-large stay out of Iranian affairs and stop pretending they're any worse than the Saudis based on old grudges. I think Iran has become more of a securocracy more than a theocracy with the Revolutionary Guards sort of hijacking Iranian interests to prop up Assad and control Lebanon. They're the real obstacle of change in Iran. The Israelis only feed into this with their constant focus on Iran and overreactions to the nuclear program - when they have over 400 nukes themselves and could turn Iran into a glass parking lot. Iran is also suffering a degradation of its conventional forces through laspses in time and technology, which is why the asymmetric units like IRG Quds Force is so central to their perceived defense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Well, realistically there is still that oil thing. I know we get less from that region but even a small percentage is huge. But I think the US should look back at synthetic fuels and stop sucking the House of Saud's dick and stop mindlessly supporting the Saudi vs. Iran cold war. Especially with the bloodbath they're conducting in Yemen with their inept landforces..



    I agree but think the US should by-and-large stay out of Iranian affairs and stop pretending they're any worse than the Saudis based on old grudges. I think Iran has become more of a securocracy more than a theocracy with the Revolutionary Guards sort of hijacking Iranian interests to prop up Assad and control Lebanon. They're the real obstacle of change in Iran. The Israelis only feed into this with their constant focus on Iran and overreactions to the nuclear program - when they have over 400 nukes themselves and could turn Iran into a glass parking lot. Iran is also suffering a degradation of its conventional forces through laspses in time and technology, which is why the asymmetric units like IRG Quds Force is so central to their perceived defense...
    We got in bed with Saudi Arabia when Kissinger made a deal that that Saudis only sell their oil in US Dollars. This created the petro dollar which allowed Nixon to get off the gold standard. This had to be done to pay for the Vietnam War and of course created all the deficit spending we are addicted to. Now the US is the largest oil producer and the US Dollar still has no rival. The Euro won't last and nobody trusts the Chinese. The dollar has the psychological value since it's been around for so long. Debt has been around long enough nobody really worries about that either. So really, we don't need the Saudis anymore and we need nothing in the middle east. The oil is a geopolitical tool. We wanted the Soviets out of it and we used it to create the petrodollar. Now nobodies currency is backed by shit but for some reason people still want dollars. Saudi Arabia and Israel would love us to wipe out Iran for them though. At the end of the day the prime motivator is money. Since military spending is a big part of the game an unstable region like the middle east is a goldfield. As the song goes, peace sells but nobody is buying. It's who bribes the politicians. It's who gets the dirt on them. He with the most dollars and honeytraps wins.
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    So who knows. Maybe we will get pulled back into a bigger middle east conflict and start World War 3. It's all how the tea leaves of blackmail and bribes float around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Well, the CIA has been a subsidiary of the BCE from day one, so obviously they were behind the curtain for the Eisenhower/Nixon years. Directly running the show during the Reagan/Poppy years. And running the puppet show during the Chimp term (including stealing the elections that put him there)

    As far as their role in the Clinton & Obama years, that's debatable either way. Poppy's friendship with Bill & Obama hanging a "medal of freedom" around the old bastard's neck - despite all the crimes & treason he has committed against this country- certainly doesn't speak in their favor.

    And if you think Cheeto is exempt from that, well not so fast........



    Pretty obvious from this photo who absolutely was NOT part of the BCE/CIA club on any level.......

    I was no fan of Jimmy Carter but compared to the rest of those smucks in the picture, he looks like a saint. He was a president who left office with his own money and didn't use the office to enrich himself. The others enriched themselves from the office and were for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Dream on. The US always wants to maintain it's first strike capability. Since the US Dollar is the world's reserve currency there is no excuse not to have first strike capability. The real problem is we don't need our big military machine which much of it is outdated like aircraft carriers. We start wars with smaller countries to feed the machine. With 60% of our budget being spent on the military it creates a lot of jobs and it has a lot of political pull. No member of congress whether they are Democrat or Republican refuses money from the military industrial complex. The original reason we messed with the middle east and western Asia was the cold war. Before us the British were messing around in there. Now we are going into a new Cold War. They say our biggest geopolitical challenge this century will be access to fresh water. That will cause new wars. It ain't a perfect world and the more technology we acquire the more power we have to screw ourselves. Why we haven't caused thermonuclear war yet is amazing.
    I'll keep on dreaming just the same...all the way until the bombs stop dropping.

    After that, I'll see you in Hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I'll keep on dreaming just the same...all the way until the bombs stop dropping.

    After that, I'll see you in Hell.
    Might be fun. In heaven there is no beer but in hell there is plenty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Well, realistically there is still that oil thing. I know we get less from that region but even a small percentage is huge. But I think the US should look back at synthetic fuels and stop sucking the House of Saud's dick and stop mindlessly supporting the Saudi vs. Iran cold war. Especially with the bloodbath they're conducting in Yemen with their inept landforces.....
    Which synthetic fuels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    Which synthetic fuels?

    Moonshine. It will be great. You can run your lawn mower and fuel your drunk from the same gas can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Might be fun. In heaven there is no beer but in hell there is plenty.
    Well, from what Satan tells me, most of the people in Hell only get warm light beer... because it's Hell, after all.

    Fortunately for us, Satan used to post here, so he might let us into his air conditioned private club where the stout and the IPA are chilled to a proper termperature

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    Which synthetic fuels?
    All of them!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    All of them!!
    Glib.

    Biomass to Fluids, Oil Sands, Shale Oil, Fuel from waste???

    Which fuels? This isn't a trap. Which are more cost effective? Which produce hydrocarbons at a faster rate?

    Are you looking for a low carbon emission outcome?

    I'm invested heavily in oil. Or big oil as some say here. I've covered it, won't go back over it. You think I'm not watching to see if there is a shift in manufacturing due to a better process or strategy?

    I'm retiring at the end of the year. Done.

    If "they" can replace or reform the Fischer-Tropsch reaction before then, I'll look here first to find out the facts. If that were to happen, I've really under valued the depth of the members here.

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    I believe they were researching tar shale for the basis of the fuels (off the top of my head) but decided that is wasn't any cheaper than even the high price of crude of the day. Then of course the OPECunts lowered the price finally once they sense any sort of long term threat...

    There's a very bad WikiNiki article on The Synthetic Fuels Corp. that was abolished by Ronnie in 1985...

    I doubt the carbon emissions would have been low, the central purpose was long term national security and disengagement from the Middle East...

    My brief refresher indicates they did base coal gasification on the Fischer-Tropsch process...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I believe they were researching tar shale for the basis of the fuels (off the top of my head) but decided that is wasn't any cheaper than even the high price of crude of the day. Then of course the OPECunts lowered the price finally once they sense any sort of long term threat...

    There's a very bad WikiNiki article on The Synthetic Fuels Corp. that was abolished by Ronnie in 1985...

    I doubt the carbon emissions would have been low, the central purpose was long term national security and disengagement from the Middle East...

    My brief refresher indicates they did base coal gasification on the Fischer-Tropsch process...
    If we really wanted to get off oil we could do it but oil is more than just a fuel. It’s part of geopolitics. Sometimes the politicians and the people who own them want a problem or a crisis because it can be spun to their advantage. The average Joe Blow just wants to drive somewhere and doesn’t care what they are burning in the car as long as it’s the lowest price.

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    I just wish the fuck they would get on with it. The planet is way overpopulated with fucktards as it is and really, it can no longer sustain itself. Now, when these god damn Russian assholes start sending their nukes I hope they also send a messge with them: take out the rich and then the poor and then as desert, nuke Texas off the face of the god damn earth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    I'm invested heavily in oil.
    No one wants to hear about your arteriosclerosis F A T boy.

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