Gun Owners And Non-Gun Owners Actually Agree On A Lot Of Gun Reforms

[jacksmar]

All true but why is the USA so much worse for mass shootings than any other comparable country?

You know this socialist bullshit is getting really old.


Why are we constantly advised to not judge all muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but its those same people that tell us to judge all gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics?

Nice try counselor.

[Terry]

Read a history book. There never has been a civilization that was ever violence free. It's human nature. Chances are you have had a better life than your grand parents and great grandparents. I bet you could sit in with a group of very talented psychiatrists and none of them would agree on what makes Billy want to shoot up the school. Never before have we had so much stimulation. The internet, video games, movies, and we will invent more. If you think we are screwed up now. Wait until people get addicted to virtual reality goggles. Haha! They will be addicted to the virtual reality on some computer using it to escape life like how people used to use drugs. That being said it's probably better than being a serf under a feudal lord a few hundred years ago.

I agree with a lot of that. There will never be a guarantee, regardless of even instituting the most stringent gun laws, that some nutter doesn't flip out and kill a bunch of people: if it is in a school, a mall, a sports event, a church or wherever...the particulars of the location don't really make a shooting at one place more horrific to me vs. another place.

I mean, I'm not trying to intentionally be flippant or dismissive about how horrific these school shootings are, but we tolerate far worse in terms of destructive potential on a daily basis for the entirety of our lives.

Okay, I'm going to read a history book!

[Nickdfresh]

You know this socialist bullshit is getting really old.


Why are we constantly advised to not judge all muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but its those same people that tell us to judge all gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics?

Nice try counselor.

They're judging by statistics, dipshit!

[Nitro Express]

I agree with a lot of that. There will never be a guarantee, regardless of even instituting the most stringent gun laws, that some nutter doesn't flip out and kill a bunch of people: if it is in a school, a mall, a sports event, a church or wherever...the particulars of the location don't really make a shooting at one place more horrific to me vs. another place.

I mean, I'm not trying to intentionally be flippant or dismissive about how horrific these school shootings are, but we tolerate far worse in terms of destructive potential on a daily basis for the entirety of our lives.

Okay, I'm going to read a history book!

I'm more interested in why these kids want to commit mass murder more than what hardware they use. You can take the guns away but they are still going to want to kill. They will use bombs. Then we get into outlawing pressure cookers, nails, galvanized steel pipe, etc... Sorry sir. You can't fill your car up with gasoline because it can be used in a flame thrower or a molotov cocktail.

[Nitro Express]

I get wanting to burn the school down. What kid didn't fantasize about that? Going in and shooting the school up? Don't get that one. That's like some sick revenge for getting bullied or something. But then of course the whole thing becomes politicized and it becomes a political pissing match. The thing is these kids would wrap the school up in detonation cord and implode it on their teachers and school mates if they could. The big question is WHY? Does anyone really have an answer? Why weren't kids doing this in the 1950's? You had screwed up kids back then and they had easier access to firearms than we do now. Also. Why are teachers screwing the kids so much? If I had a dollar for every story I read about a teacher screwing a student, I would be rich. Where were these teachers when I was going through school? Most of mine were ugly and mean. Fucking any of my english teachers would be like fucking a water bed and not only that, the water bed would be screaming at you while you did it.

[Seshmeister]

Why weren't kids doing this in the 1950's? You had screwed up kids back then and they had easier access to firearms than we do now.

Don't think so. There are far more guns around in the US now than there ever were in the past.




I think some of it is also probably copycat which is why the media should not focus too much on individual murderers.

Also been quite a lot of shit did actually go down in schools back in the day....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

[Nickdfresh]

I'm more interested in why these kids want to commit mass murder more than what hardware they use...

In this case, he was apparently obsessed with this girl that spurned him. She was his first victim, RIP...

[Nitro Express]

Don't think so. There are far more guns around in the US now than there ever were in the past.




I think some of it is also probably copycat which is why the media should not focus too much on individual murderers.

Also been quite a lot of shit did actually go down in schools back in the day....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Easier access due to less gun regulation. Not necessarily more guns. In the 50's you still could buy guns mail-order. Also they were in the open more. Where I grew up you always saw rifles in the back of the cab of pickup trucks and it was common to have big glass display cases full of guns at home. Now you never see those. People now lock their guns up in safes or closets. During hunting season it was not uncommon to see rifles and shotguns in trucks in the school parking lot. Nobody thought anything of it. Now did kids with that kind of access go grab their Remmington pump shotgun and blast their girlfriend or shoot up the jocks who gave them some shit? Nope! They might get in a fist fight or slash the tires on someone's car at the worst. Something has changed in the moral makeup and psychology of these kids. Also in my redneck town most everyone carried a knife. Usually a lock blade. Never saw anyone pull a knife either. It was not only viewed as a very wrong thing to do it was viewed as a cowardly action. Kicking and aiming for the balls was also considered sissy stuff. You landed punches and as Zahzoo said it usually ended up in a faggy wrestling match on the ground.

[Seshmeister]

As I keep saying the facts just don't agree with the 'the kids today are terrible' narrative. Violent crime is way down compared to your youth.

You and Zahzoo should really read this book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature

[ZahZoo]

I concur that overall violent crime is and has been declining for some time globally. I'm familiar with that book...I think the nature of violent crime has changed as far as rather than a significant number of limited individual acts, today we have more mass incidents in places that typically weren't common targets.

These school shootings are the most troubling in both where they occur but also being carried out by kids who's lives shouldn't be driven to commit crimes of such significance.

[Nitro Express]

I concur that overall violent crime is and has been declining for some time globally. I'm familiar with that book...I think the nature of violent crime has changed as far as rather than a significant number of limited individual acts, today we have more mass incidents in places that typically weren't common targets.

These school shootings are the most troubling in both where they occur but also being carried out by kids who's lives shouldn't be driven to commit crimes of such significance.

I wonder how many of these kids doing these shootings are on anti depression/anxiety meds? Those type of meds especially with younger people can make them suicidal and even homicidal. Also we have more teen suicide than ever before and the school performance on average of kids in high school right now is pretty pathetic. Sure there are plenty of decent millennials but there are serious problems with that group as well. Lot's of depressed and underperforming people in that group.

[Nitro Express]

Another problem is physical fitness. Snowflake is right. It would take six months just to get millennials in shape so they could survive boot camp. To be honest. As a whole. I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing.

[jacksmar]

For anybody having trouble understanding what this conversation is about it's simply this:

The left can't have have a socialist nation with over 300 million guns in the hands of the peasant class.

[Nickdfresh]

Wasn't in the US Army prof TARDO. So, whatever you wikied after that doesn't make a LGBT pay toilet shit to me.

Sorry, it's hard to keep up with your shifting bullshit stories. I forgot you were a member of an elite paramilitary organization!

Last I saw recently, 2 dead religion of peace members. One dead Imam and one dead Imam helper.




Hopefully law enforcement officials collected names and fingerprints of the funeral attendees in accordance with the Patriot Act. Then went to their hovels and did a search of the property to determine if there were any guns on the premises. All of which would've been standard procedure but this occurred in that multicultural shithole John Rocker called the most hectic, nerve-racking city.

2 dead radical muslim boxes. Help me with the math here: How many virgins does that come to?

I'm glad you have something to jerkoff too...

[Nickdfresh]

I concur that overall violent crime is and has been declining for some time globally. I'm familiar with that book...I think the nature of violent crime has changed as far as rather than a significant number of limited individual acts, today we have more mass incidents in places that typically weren't common targets.

These school shootings are the most troubling in both where they occur but also being carried out by kids who's lives shouldn't be driven to commit crimes of such significance.

Yeah, I read recently you were three times more likely to be murdered in 1700-to-early-1800's America than now. I'm guessing it's probably organized policing and technology are the main biggest factors...