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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I think it's far from over, these people are all in a bubble. 20 years ago maybe but now?

    What would it take for Republicans to vote for impeachment these days?
    I don't see any Impeachment activities getting any serious consideration outside of a few vocal "Never-Trump" idiots in office, some wealthy wackos not in office and a portion of the media obsessed with it.

    Current Democratic leaders are publicly advising staying away from the subject for good reason. Republicans aren't even giving it any consideration.

    If you take an objective look at what occurred with both Nixon and Clinton that led to Impeachment proceedings and the final results. This Trump crap isn't anywhere close to opening up any serious Congressional action leading in the direction of Presidential impeachment.

    All you have to date is Trump hired or allowed a number of people within his campaign that were dirty long before the president ran for office... but nothing that Trump has done himself in office to qualify for impeachment proceedings. In order to go that route hard evidence of something the President actual did would have to surface... in a year and half no one has produced anything even remotely close to that criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I don't see any Impeachment activities getting any serious consideration outside of a few vocal "Never-Trump" idiots in office, some wealthy wackos not in office and a portion of the media obsessed with it.

    Current Democratic leaders are publicly advising staying away from the subject for good reason. Republicans aren't even giving it any consideration.

    If you take an objective look at what occurred with both Nixon and Clinton that led to Impeachment proceedings and the final results. This Trump crap isn't anywhere close to opening up any serious Congressional action leading in the direction of Presidential impeachment.

    All you have to date is Trump hired or allowed a number of people within his campaign that were dirty long before the president ran for office... but nothing that Trump has done himself in office to qualify for impeachment proceedings. In order to go that route hard evidence of something the President actual did would have to surface... in a year and half no one has produced anything even remotely close to that criteria.
    Um, his lawyer just "flipped" that said he directed him to violate campaign finance law. Something well-within the "high crimes and misdemeanors" criteria, especially when coupled with the pile of circumstantial evidence that he's Putin's bitch and his White House is effectively failing in its primary existence of protecting the American people from foreign threats by blocking bipartisan anti-election meddling legislation. I agree it's unlikely Trump will actually be impeached. But he will deliver a large majority of the guber'mint into blue hands...

    And I find it quite interesting you refer to the Dems as "never trump idiots" while failing to acknowledge the "I'll suck trump's small cock no-matter what 'til the end!" Republican'ts. Many of the hardest core of which are now under indictment for corruption...
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    On the lawyer flipped thing... it's not clear that Trump violated any campaign finance law at this point. Cohen paid the money to the two women and entered a guilty plea. That doesn't directly implicate Trump... from what I've read and interviews with legal experts there "may" an implication for conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws. That doesn't mean Congress would automatically tee up an impeachment hearing. Trump could be charged for it after he leaves office.

    On the "never trump idiots" I was referring to Maxine Waters and friends... Do you really want to debate the merits of that idiot..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    On the lawyer flipped thing... it's not clear that Trump violated any campaign finance law at this point. Cohen paid the money to the two women and entered a guilty plea. That doesn't directly implicate Trump... from what I've read and interviews with legal experts there "may" an implication for conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws.
    Cohen told the judge that — in violation of campaign finance laws — he paid two women hush money "in coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal office ... for the principle purpose of influencing the election."

    There has to be an investigation of that at some point to see if there is truth in the allegation but it seems highly likely to be true given Cohen would have no other motivation to pay the money and that he seems to have kept evidence including recordings of it.

    I agree it doesn't mean Trump will be impeached though - in fact I think it's very unlikely unless the Democrats do incredibly well in the mid term election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    On the lawyer flipped thing... it's not clear that Trump violated any campaign finance law at this point. Cohen paid the money to the two women and entered a guilty plea. That doesn't directly implicate Trump... from what I've read and interviews with legal experts there "may" an implication for conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws. That doesn't mean Congress would automatically tee up an impeachment hearing. Trump could be charged for it after he leaves office.

    On the "never trump idiots" I was referring to Maxine Waters and friends... Do you really want to debate the merits of that idiot..?
    I think Sesh has the first part of your ridiculous comment covered. I have no problem saying Waters is an idiot. Apparently, you seem ignore the giant pieces of mindless shit on your side of the isle. We can start by discussing who's been indicted. What has Maxine Waters been indicted for exactly? Maybe we can start in my yard with that complete smarmy asshole Collins, who everyone hated here - Republicans included. Or the guy in CA that threw his wife under the bus for stealing from campaign funds because "she handled all the finances.."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
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    I agree it doesn't mean Trump will be impeached though - in fact I think it's very unlikely unless the Democrats do incredibly well in the mid term election.

    The Democrats will own the House, the Senate I have doubts. At least in 2018...

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    If Cheeto can't be impeached for something he did before he was in office, then how did Ken $tarr get away with spending millions of dollars investigating a questionable real estate deal that Bill Clinton was involved in sometime in the early 1980s??

    Granted, Starr came up with nothing on those accusations and eventually moved on to Clinton getting his dick sucked, but the original point of the investigation was the old news real estate deal. And unlike what Cheeto did, Clinton's alleged crime had absolutely no impact on the 1992 election
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    Yep, Sesh covered my ridiculous comment better than I presented. But, ended up at the same place. Cohen making the claim doesn't automatically implicate Trump for an impeachable offense.

    Clearly the investigation will dig into that and should do so... but there's a very complicated legal landscape regarding private funds, paying off floozies and campaign finance laws. It's not trivial nor logical in any possible way. Nothing is simple and straight-forward in legal matters here.

    The Clinton/Starr investigation was also another Special Council "witch hunt" which in the long run was a strategic mistake that cost the Republicans considerably. Like this Trump Russian collusion investigation the premise it started under hasn't turned up anything substantial and is only ending up in some sexual soap-opera scandal cesspool where the President is concerned to date... Coincidence..?

    Don't think that I'm sitting firmly planted on the Republican side of this... overall I think all this bullshit is a gawd-damned waste of time, money and intellectual capital. Both sides are dirty as all get up. I'd prefer they all get run out of their leadership positions and banned from public service for life. It's a revolting distraction that needs to be cleaned up, wrapped up and the country focused on real issues facing the nation and world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    If Cheeto can't be impeached for something he did before he was in office, then how did Ken $tarr get away with spending millions of dollars investigating a questionable real estate deal that Bill Clinton was involved in sometime in the early 1980s??

    Granted, Starr came up with nothing on those accusations and eventually moved on to Clinton getting his dick sucked, but the original point of the investigation was the old news real estate deal. And unlike what Cheeto did, Clinton's alleged crime had absolutely no impact on the 1992 election
    You are talking about justice or fairness which is irrelevant, impeachment is a political process not a legal one.

    There is a good podcast on about the Lewinsky affair called Slow Burn that I would recommend which can shine a historical light on things now from a distance. Some of the FBI guys are quite ashamed about the pressure put on her that she was told she would get 25 years in jail if she didn't admit to the affair when in reality no court would impose a sentence on a 21 year in those circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    If Cheeto can't be impeached for something he did before he was in office, then how did Ken $tarr get away with spending millions of dollars investigating a questionable real estate deal that Bill Clinton was involved in sometime in the early 1980s??

    Granted, Starr came up with nothing on those accusations and eventually moved on to Clinton getting his dick sucked, but the original point of the investigation was the old news real estate deal. And unlike what Cheeto did, Clinton's alleged crime had absolutely no impact on the 1992 election
    The Mueller investigation is taking on a similar flavor. It's gone from being an investigation on Russian election tampering to a sex scandal. The Star report just gave comedians and late night show hosts great material to make fun of. Bill Clinton's mistake is he lied under oath and he got impeached and disbarred for it. Technically Bill Clinton should have gone to prison for lying under oath but it didn't happen. So as the Mueller investigation starts to read like a tabloid with sex, porn stars, Playboy playmates, and hush money it will give the media something to talk about but as far as hurting the president, it's a nothing burger. Unless Trump commits perjury like Bill Clinton did he's pretty much safe. As long as the economic numbers are up and the markets are up, he has nothing to worry about. All the noise is just partisan ass blasting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Yep, Sesh covered my ridiculous comment better than I presented. But, ended up at the same place. Cohen making the claim doesn't automatically implicate Trump for an impeachable offense.

    Clearly the investigation will dig into that and should do so... but there's a very complicated legal landscape regarding private funds, paying off floozies and campaign finance laws. It's not trivial nor logical in any possible way. Nothing is simple and straight-forward in legal matters here.

    The Clinton/Starr investigation was also another Special Council "witch hunt" which in the long run was a strategic mistake that cost the Republicans considerably. Like this Trump Russian collusion investigation the premise it started under hasn't turned up anything substantial and is only ending up in some sexual soap-opera scandal cesspool where the President is concerned to date... Coincidence..?

    Don't think that I'm sitting firmly planted on the Republican side of this... overall I think all this bullshit is a gawd-damned waste of time, money and intellectual capital. Both sides are dirty as all get up. I'd prefer they all get run out of their leadership positions and banned from public service for life. It's a revolting distraction that needs to be cleaned up, wrapped up and the country focused on real issues facing the nation and world.
    Ah they just leaned on Cohen and intimidated him into pleading guilty and of course you know there is a deal made for doing so. A guilty plea gives something for the media to hype but the law is so vague on campaign finance that nothing is going to hold up in a court of law. It's trial by media basically. Yup it's a waste of millions of dollars and this and the Starr investigation just proves partisan games are more important to the politicians and bureaucrats than is fixing real problems. Covering ones insider crimes and partisan maneuvering is what it's all about. Hell if we applied the law to most our so called public servants, most of them should be thrown in jail. We probably could nail most of the US congress on insider trading alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Ah they just leaned on Cohen and intimidated him into pleading guilty and of course you know there is a deal made for doing so. A guilty plea gives something for the media to hype but the law is so vague on campaign finance that nothing is going to hold up in a court of law. It's trial by media basically.
    Wait you seriously don't think Cohen is guilty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Wait you seriously don't think Cohen is guilty?
    Look. This investigation has been going after all sorts of people. The FBI has even held Ted Malloch when him and his wife were coming into the US to spend Easter with family. This kind of shit is an old game called intimidating friends to turn on friends being investigated. Oh we have this dirt on you but we will make a deal if you ratt so and so out. They held Malloch to search his phone to try and find something to threaten him on. So it's a no brainer. Roger Stone is another guy Mueller has been trying to intimidate. It's search for dirt, intimidate, and try to get someone to turn. That's why this whole investigation has gone from Russian collusion and election tampering to a sex scandal. There is no substance to it. It's a bunch of nothing that has cost the US taxpayer millions.

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    The cost is ridiculously irrelevant in the scheme of things.

    Some of these people are really really bad people as your president would say. Manafort is a monster and has been for years. Cohen is a total crook and Roger Stone is a creep beyond belief.

    I'm not getting this from tabloid pieces or 'fake news' I've known about a couple of these guys for years, they are notorious. The rat statement by Trump was hilarious. It's like the Sopranos but with the cast of Veep.

    You and Fox News are talking like the FBI is some left wing pressure group - the FBI are like all law enforcement everywhere and lean to the right.

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    BTW I had to Google this fine upstanding character Malloch you were so concerned about and he is another liar with dodgy connections as reported in the Financial Times.

    https://www.ft.com/content/ce317948-...f-061b01e23655

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    LOL every last one of those people are liars, crooks and criminals to varying degrees. A lot of people thought electing an "outsider" would be a great thing and expose the establishment politicians as the crooks they are... all it did was add new variants of swamp monsters to an already vile shit hole...

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    This time you got a bunch of worse crooks but that doesn't mean that will happen with the next political outsider. France seems to be doing ok with theirs.

    It's almost like a lot of people wanted the opposite of Obama so since his was one of the cleanest presidencies in recent years that meant voting for a crook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    The cost is ridiculously irrelevant in the scheme of things.

    Some of these people are really really bad people as your president would say. Manafort is a monster and has been for years. Cohen is a total crook and Roger Stone is a creep beyond belief.

    I'm not getting this from tabloid pieces or 'fake news' I've known about a couple of these guys for years, they are notorious. The rat statement by Trump was hilarious. It's like the Sopranos but with the cast of Veep.

    You and Fox News are talking like the FBI is some left wing pressure group - the FBI are like all law enforcement everywhere and lean to the right.
    The FBI leaned to the right when J Edgar Hoover ran it. It ran to the left when James Comey ran it. The problem with the FBI is it's always been politicized and a blanket statement that law enforcement always leans right is ridiculous. As far as Cohen goes to get Trump on those hush money payments you have to prove Trump's exact intent. He could have made those hush payments to protect his television ratings or to keep his family from getting pissed at him. You only have to look at the case of presidential candidate John Edwards who paid hush money to cover up an affair. The jury never did agree on why Edwards made those payments and the case never was re-tried.

    Juicy stories about Manafort and Stone who were business partners by the way and both worked as lobbyists and political consultants. Stone admits he was the guy would would hang with porn stars in Hollywood hanging by the pool in a Speedo. Yeah if you want to dig into what kind of pudding these guys dipped their dicks that might generate some interest mainly because the left somehow thinks it will weaken Trump's standing with the moral conservatives in his base. Nobody really cares. Nobody would care if Stone and Manafort worked on the Democrat side of things. If that was the case you probably would have the ding dong Republicans spreading the tabloid shit. Hell if Manafor and Stone were lefties they would be looked at as being cool just like Bill Clinton is looked at as being cool by the left. Nobody cared he was shooting jazz all over interns in the Oval Office. Bill should have just said "Yeah. I jazzed that bitch up!' and avoided lying under oath. It's all laughable soap opera and the media loves this shit. As far as substance and as far as any real meaning on how things are running it's a bunch of nothing.

    This all was about Russian collusion and having a illegitimate president due to a rigged election. Now we are talking about sex. Seems to be where these investigations always go when they can't find enough evidence to convict on the original reason there is an investigation in the first place. The same shit was said about George W Bush. The court decided the election and it wasn't a true election. The goof still stayed in the presidency and managed to invade Iraq on a lie and that probably cost this country $6 Trillion. So far, Trump has kept from doing such stupid shit and from what I see he's no worse than the previous two bozos who filled the seat so I really don't care what the current buzz is in the Get Trump soap opera is. It's all partisan ass juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The Mueller investigation is taking on a similar flavor. It's gone from being an investigation on Russian election tampering to a sex scandal. The Star report just gave comedians and late night show hosts great material to make fun of. Bill Clinton's mistake is he lied under oath and he got impeached and disbarred for it. Technically Bill Clinton should have gone to prison for lying under oath but it didn't happen. So as the Mueller investigation starts to read like a tabloid with sex, porn stars, Playboy playmates, and hush money it will give the media something to talk about but as far as hurting the president, it's a nothing burger. Unless Trump commits perjury like Bill Clinton did he's pretty much safe. As long as the economic numbers are up and the markets are up, he has nothing to worry about. All the noise is just partisan ass blasting.
    What part of Paul Manafort's convictions had to do with a sex scandal? It's just getting idiotic: pick a small part of the investigation and paint the entire investigation with it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Yeah if you want to dig into what kind of pudding these guys dipped their dicks that might generate some interest mainly because the left somehow thinks it will weaken Trump's standing with the moral conservatives in his base. Nobody really cares.
    If anyone still thought that the so called Christian Right were 'moral' that ship has sailed with Trump...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    This time you got a bunch of worse crooks but that doesn't mean that will happen with the next political outsider. France seems to be doing ok with theirs.

    It's almost like a lot of people wanted the opposite of Obama so since his was one of the cleanest presidencies in recent years that meant voting for a crook.
    Dude. Obama's attorney general was running guns to the Mexican drug cartels. Obama bragged he liked killing people with drones. Cleanest presidency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    What part of Paul Manafort's convictions had to do with a sex scandal? It's just getting idiotic: pick a small part of the investigation and paint the entire investigation with it...
    Yeah. Yeah. Manafort didn't pay taxes on some money he made overseas but now articles are being written on his so called juicy sex life. It's all going to sex in the media. We have gone from Russian collusion to sex. Why? An attempt to influence the November elections. The investigation is a joke my friend and after November all the nonsense will probably fade away. Trump will stay in office. Impeachment won't happen. He probably will win a second term if the economy stays good. Will the Dems win the house in November? Who knows.

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    If anything it all will show what a tub of shit most the broadcast media is these days.

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    It's all relative but by US president standards Obama was clean


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Dude. Obama's attorney general was running guns to the Mexican drug cartels.
    Oh fucking please! It was part of an ATF sting to trace American firearms ending up in the hands of the Mexican drug dealers you're so afraid of. Way to completely mischaracterize it, NyQuil Strawman.

    Obama bragged he liked killing people with drones. Cleanest presidency?
    Bragged when? Quote? What part of that did the Republidicks oppose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Yeah. Yeah. Manafort didn't pay taxes on some money he made overseas but now articles are being written on his so called juicy sex life. It's all going to sex in the media. We have gone from Russian collusion to sex. Why? An attempt to influence the November elections. The investigation is a joke my friend and after November all the nonsense will probably fade away. Trump will stay in office. Impeachment won't happen. He probably will win a second term if the economy stays good. Will the Dems win the house in November? Who knows.

    Um, I've never heard of anything regarding Manafort's sex life but thank god you're doing your due diligence! "Juicy"? I'm not sure presumably bored hookers who can't wait to get out of there counts as "juicy"...

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    In her book, Daniels also delivers a below-the-belt blow to the size-obsessed Trump, describing his genitals in lurid detail. She says his penis is “smaller than average,” but “not freakishly small.”

    “He knows he has an unusual penis,” Daniels claims. “It has a huge mushroom head. Like a toadstool…

    “I lay there, annoyed that I was getting f—– by a guy with Yeti pubes and a d— like the mushroom character in Mario Kart …

    “It may have been the least impressive sex I’d ever had, but clearly, he didn’t share that opinion,” Daniels continues.


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    It seems that for the first time in his life Marco Rubio was right about something...

    I guess if there was the slightest doubt left in her mind about whether this whole thing was true, Melania now knows one way or the other. It would be easy to guess he had a small dick but the mushroom thing?
    Last edited by Seshmeister; 09-18-2018 at 11:35 PM.

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    Way too much info... I could have gone my whole life without any of this shit...

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    Buzzfeed issue a correction on their story about this...


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    Oh dear...

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