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    Michael Cohen Secretly Taped Trump Discussing Payment to Playboy Model

    Matt Apuzzo, Maggie Haberman and Michael S. Schmidt
    The Failing New York Times
    July 20, 2018

    WASHINGTON — President Trump’s longtime lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, secretly recorded a conversation with Mr. Trump two months before the presidential election in which they discussed payments to a former Playboy model who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump, according to lawyers and others familiar with the recording.

    The F.B.I. seized the recording this year during a raid on Mr. Cohen’s office. The Justice Department is investigating Mr. Cohen’s involvement in paying women to tamp down embarrassing news stories about Mr. Trump ahead of the 2016 election. Prosecutors want to know whether that violated federal campaign finance laws, and any conversation with Mr. Trump about those payments would be of keen interest to them.

    The recording’s existence appears to undercut the Trump campaign’s denial of any knowledge of payments to the model. And it further draws Mr. Trump into questions about tactics he and his associates used to keep aspects of his personal and business life a secret. And it highlights the potential legal and political danger that Mr. Cohen represents to Mr. Trump. Once the keeper of many of Mr. Trump’s secrets, Mr. Cohen is now seen as increasingly willing to consider cooperating with prosecutors.

    The former model, Karen McDougal, says she began a nearly yearlong affair with Mr. Trump in 2006, shortly after Mr. Trump’s wife, Melania, gave birth to their son Barron. Ms. McDougal sold her story for $150,000 to The National Enquirer, which was supportive of Mr. Trump, during the final months of the presidential campaign, but the tabloid sat on the story, which kept it from becoming public. The practice, known as “catch and kill,” effectively silenced Ms. McDougal for the remainder of the campaign.

    Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, confirmed in a telephone conversation on Friday that Mr. Trump had discussed payments to Ms. McDougal with Mr. Cohen on the tape. He said the recording was less than two minutes long, said Mr. Trump did not know he was being recorded and claimed that the president had done nothing wrong.

    Mr. Giuliani said there was no indication on the tape that Mr. Trump knew before the conversation about the payment from the Enquirer’s parent company, American Media Inc., to Ms. McDougal.

    “Nothing in that conversation suggests that he had any knowledge of it in advance,” Mr. Giuliani said.

    Mr. Giuliani initially indicated the men discussed a payment from Mr. Trump to Ms. McDougal — separate from the Enquirer’s payment — to buy her story. Later, he said that Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen had actually discussed buying the rights to Ms. McDougal’s story from the Enquirer, a move that would have effectively reimbursed the newspaper for its payments to her.

    That payment was never made, Mr. Giuliani said, adding that Mr. Trump had told Mr. Cohen that if he were to make a payment related to Ms. McDougal, to write a check rather than send cash, so it could be properly documented.

    Neither of Mr. Giuliani’s descriptions of the conversations explains why, when The Wall Street Journal revealed the existence of the A.M.I. payment days before the election, Mr. Trump’s campaign spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, said, “We have no knowledge of any of this.” She said Ms. McDougal’s claim of an affair was “totally untrue.”

    Mr. Cohen’s lawyers discovered the recording as part of their review of the seized materials and shared it with Mr. Trump’s lawyers, according to three people briefed on the matter.

    Mr. Cohen rejected repeated requests for comment. “We have nothing to say on this matter,” Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, Lanny J. Davis, said when asked about the tape.

    David J. Pecker, the chairman of A.M.I., is a friend of Mr. Trump’s, and Ms. McDougal has accused Mr. Cohen of secretly taking part in the deal — an allegation that is now part of the F.B.I. investigation.

    “It can’t be more than a minute and a half,” Mr. Giuliani said, referring to the length of the conversation. “Twice someone walks in — someone brings soda in for them. It’s not some secret conversation.”

    He added: “Neither one seems to be concerned anyone would hear it. It went off on irrelevant subjects that have nothing to do with this. It’s a very professional conversation between a client and a lawyer and the client saying, ‘Do it right.’”

    Because the tape showed Mr. Trump learning about the A.M.I. payment, it actually helps Mr. Trump, Mr. Giuliani argued. “In the big scheme of things, it’s powerful exculpatory evidence,” he said.

    The recording is potential evidence in the campaign finance investigation, but became tied up in a legal fight over what materials are protected by attorney-client privilege and thus off limits to prosecutors. It is not clear whether a federal judge has ruled on whether prosecutors can listen to the recording.

    For a decade, Mr. Cohen served as one of Mr. Trump’s most trusted fixers, aggressively taking on journalists, opposing lawyers and business adversaries. He frequently taped his conversations, unbeknown to the people with whom he was speaking. New York law allows one party to a conversation to tape conversations without the other knowing.

    Mr. Cohen used to say he would take a bullet for Mr. Trump, but the relationship soured in the aftermath of the F.B.I. raids in April. In one conversation, Mr. Cohen’s lawyers inquired whether Mr. Trump planned to pardon him, but Mr. Trump’s lawyers gave no indication that the president would do so, according to two people familiar with the discussion.

    Mr. Cohen has publicly and privately discussed the idea of cooperating with the F.B.I. In an interview with ABC News this month, Mr. Cohen seemed to be openly inviting prosecutors to talk to him.

    “My wife, my daughter and my son have my first loyalty and always will,” Mr. Cohen said. “I put family and country first.” The words got Mr. Trump’s attention, and he asked people if they thought Mr. Cohen was trying to send a message, either to him or the Justice Department.

    The Cohen investigation began with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who is investigating the Trump campaign’s links to Russia. But as the Cohen case became increasingly focused on Mr. Cohen’s personal business dealings and his campaign activities unrelated to Russia, Mr. Mueller referred it to federal prosecutors in Manhattan, who are now leading the investigation.

    The wide-ranging search warrants served on Mr. Cohen this spring show that prosecutors are investigating Mr. Cohen’s involvement in payments to silence women about their relationships with Mr. Trump. In addition to Ms. McDougal’s arrangement, prosecutors also sought evidence of payments to the adult film star Stephanie Clifford, who is better known as Stormy Daniels.

    Mr. Trump has denied knowing about those payments, though people familiar with the arrangement have said he was aware of them. But his denial helped suppress public allegations of an affair during the final months of the campaign.

    Such payments, depending on how and why they were made, could represent campaign finance violations — a case that harks back to the failed prosecution of the former Democratic senator John Edwards, who tried to hide a pregnant mistress during his presidential campaign.

    Mr. Cohen’s case is unusual because the payment to Ms. McDougal was made by American Media Inc. In August 2016, A.M.I. bought the rights to her story about Mr. Trump for $150,000 and a commitment to use its magazines to promote her career as a fitness specialist.

    Federal agents are also scrutinizing Mr. Cohen’s personal financial dealings and whether he committed fraud by lying about his assets on bank forms. In particular, the authorities are scrutinizing taxi medallions that Mr. Cohen owned, and whether he accurately accounted for their value, according to several people close to the case.

    Matt Apuzzo and Michael S. Schmidt reported from Washington, and Maggie Haberman from New York.
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    I can't believe you idiots allow tape recorders of any kind anymore. Have you learned nothing about how to "not be a crook"??

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    You are a tool of corporate-controlled media. Please give it a rest.
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    So he didn't tape drumpf? Or are you just a tool, period?
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    Clearly Cohen is planning to flip on Cheeto. That was clear the minute he hired Lanny Davis as his attorney. Lanny Davis is Hillbot #1. He's been a Clinton tool as long as there have been Clintons to be tools for. Davis isn't going to be defending anybody who is protecting the Orange Imbecile.

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    I was talking to Kate or whatever the fuck its name is... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Clearly Cohen is planning to flip on Cheeto. That was clear the minute he hired Lanny Davis as his attorney. Lanny Davis is Hillbot #1. He's been a Clinton tool as long as there have been Clintons to be tools for. Davis isn't going to be defending anybody who is protecting the Orange Imbecile.
    He might be planning to flip, but I think the tape was grabbed by the FBI in a raid...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    LOL
    What are you, 12?

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    As a reality show the Trump presidency has been a bit like those 70s/80s shows that showed a big spoiler preview at the start of the show.

    So everything we knew about the Cohen Daniels thing months ago has now been admitted by him.
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    What about Russian collusion? That's what this thing started after. Now it's hush money which probably every politician in office has paid. All this is a nothing burger.
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    Trumps campaign manager has been found guilty of bank fraud, tax fraud and failure to report a foreign bank account.

    His personal lawyer pled guilty to eight federal crimes on Tuesday and said Trump had directed him to make two hush-money payments to women in violation of campaign finance laws.

    Trump has said at a news conference that he takes Putins word over the whole of the US intelligence services.

    So I guess you are taking the Rudy approach that 'Truth isn't truth'?

    Giuliani admitted the infamous meeting at Trump Tower was “originally for the purpose” of getting damaging intel on Clinton.

    That is collusion with the Russians. His own lawyer has already admitted it on TV.
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    I don't buy into the Rudy approach... there are some key facts with the Manafort conviction though, that can't be tied to the Trump campaign no matter how you twist it. All the bank/tax fraud crap occurred years before Trump was a candidate and none of it is even remotely connected to the 2 months Manafort was with the campaign.

    I'm not sure about the Cohen plea and if the hush-money payments fall into a campaign finance violation. I've watched a couple of interviews with various "legal" experts and don't know enough about the fine points to say one way or another...

    Not sure why the "Trump Tower" meeting with that Russian woman continues to be such a big deal. It happened... so far the only consequence that seems possible is someone... most like likely Trump Jr and the son-in-law might be implicated in lying about it. But nothing about that meeting influenced the election nor was criminal in nature. All involved were guilty of being a part of stupid crap... but none of it amounts to having any proven impact to the final election results. Give them all dumbass participation awards and move on...
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    That was just the opening round, Manafort has a bigger trial in Washington next month where one of the charges is acting as a foreign agent.

    We'll see if all comes together but the facts are that 10 years ago banks stopped lending to Trump, he goes to Russian Oligarchs for money, never released his accounts for the election, employs Manafort who is up to his eyes in Russian criminal oligarchs and asks in the middle of a presidential debate for Russia to hack his opponents systems. Which they did. Since becoming president he sucks up to Putin including an unprecedented 2 hour meeting with no witnesses.

    All the Russian FB stuff probably didn't swing the election but the Coney letter the week before probably did.
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-the-election/

    What is more important now is how much do they own Trump.

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    Or how the whole situation causes Trump to own himself, in his fits of Orange Hulk rage & insanity.....


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    The snake has been turned...

    Lanny Davis, who was hired by Mr Cohen last month, told National Public Radio Mr Trump's former attorney would "never" accept a pardon from "a man that he considers to be a corrupt and a dangerous person".

    The unexpected statement comes as yet another blow to Mr Trump's chances of extricating himself from what is developing into a legal minefield.

    Mr Davis has said his client “has information” on the president that would interest special counsel Robert Mueller, investigating possible links between the Trump campaign and Russia.

    Asked on CNN whether his client would speak to Mr Mueller, Mr Davis said that: “I do believe that he has information about Mr Trump that would be of interest both in Washington as well as New York state.

    “I know that he wants to tell the truth about Mr Trump and when he first came to me we had long conversations about his views, about the suitability of Mr Trump to be president of the United States, and I believe that Michael Cohen is motivated for his country as well as concern about his family.
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    Wow took a rare look at Fox News there - it is basically the official Trump TV isn't it. Loved the irony of them saying 'Cohen has lied in front of the American people who could possibly take him seriously now?'

    That Harris Faulkner at least makes a change from the usual blondes, good for 52 but insanely biased for a so called news channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Trumps campaign manager has been found guilty of bank fraud, tax fraud and failure to report a foreign bank account.

    His personal lawyer pled guilty to eight federal crimes on Tuesday and said Trump had directed him to make two hush-money payments to women in violation of campaign finance laws.

    Trump has said at a news conference that he takes Putins word over the whole of the US intelligence services.

    So I guess you are taking the Rudy approach that 'Truth isn't truth'?

    Giuliani admitted the infamous meeting at Trump Tower was “originally for the purpose” of getting damaging intel on Clinton.

    That is collusion with the Russians. His own lawyer has already admitted it on TV.
    It's a whole lot of noise about nothing. Nothing more than a bunch of Washington insiders spraying stink in the air to distract the public from their own crimes and to discourage anyone outside of their little insiders club from running for the presidency. That's what this is all about. Remember this started as an investigation on Russian collusion. They couldn't find anything so they just kept digging for any kind of dirt they could find. Now we are investigating Washington madam's, porn stars, and Playboy playmates. Just the path the investigation has taken proves the thing is a joke. Trump isn't liable for his campaign manager's crimes. Paying the hush money had nothing to do with the campaign at all. This is all a red herring to distract the public from the false dossier and all the dirty dealings going on inside the Justice Department and FBI to stop an outsider from being president.

    This has nothing to do with Donald Trump. This has everything to do with keeping people they want out of the presidency out. In the last election there were two independent candidates that had a shot at winning the presidency. Listen to the Strzok tapes. He was going to make sure neither Trump or Sanders were going to be president. Well the Democrat Party did Bernie in. Trump made it to the presidency. Now they are trying to get rid of him and all they have is a campaign manager that cheated on his taxes way before he ever worked for Trump and a lawyer that paid some hush money that has nothing to do with campaign finances.

    It's all hype. It's all distraction. I suggest we look into who was selling our uranium to the Russians and who was involved in all of that. Funny. It's some of the people involved in the Mueller investigation. Now if you were in their shoes you would be doing the same thing hoping to avoid and investigation on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I don't buy into the Rudy approach... there are some key facts with the Manafort conviction though, that can't be tied to the Trump campaign no matter how you twist it. All the bank/tax fraud crap occurred years before Trump was a candidate and none of it is even remotely connected to the 2 months Manafort was with the campaign.

    I'm not sure about the Cohen plea and if the hush-money payments fall into a campaign finance violation. I've watched a couple of interviews with various "legal" experts and don't know enough about the fine points to say one way or another...

    Not sure why the "Trump Tower" meeting with that Russian woman continues to be such a big deal. It happened... so far the only consequence that seems possible is someone... most like likely Trump Jr and the son-in-law might be implicated in lying about it. But nothing about that meeting influenced the election nor was criminal in nature. All involved were guilty of being a part of stupid crap... but none of it amounts to having any proven impact to the final election results. Give them all dumbass participation awards and move on...
    More importantly this whole investigation started as trying to show the election of Donald Trump was not valid due to Russian collusion. They could not find anything so they kept trying to find any dirt anywhere. They found a campaign manager who didn't pay his taxes on work he did that has nothing to do with Trump. They found a lawyer paying some hush money which really has nothing to do with campaign finance since no funds from the campaign were used. This is a bigger story than Strzork and his lover in the FBI colluding to keep Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump from being president? I would say the real corruption is in the FBI and Justice Department. Are we talking about that? There's real evidence there. No. The news media is more interested in porn stars. Washington madams and former Playboy playmates. I guess they figure the public is more interested in that stuff. Oh my gosh. Trump might have banged some skanks and his campaign manager was a crook. Impeach him now! It's all a joke.

    It's all a nothing burger. If anything. If you haven't paid your taxes don't work on the campaign of an outsider candidate that wins the presidency. Work for an insider. You will never be investigated. Haha!

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    Oh well. Omarossa says The Donald is sexually obsessed with his daughter Ivanka. Maybe some incest going on there. Maybe Ivanka's kids are not Jared's but Donald's. Mueller needs to investigate that.

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    The whole investigation at this point is to create negative noise before the November elections in an attempt to hurt the Republicans. Right now Trump's approval rating is around 50%. In reality the only thing that is going to hurt Trump is a downturn in the economy. If the economy keeps doing well Trump is fine. If the Republicans do well in November you will see Mueller resign and the investigation fade away and be forgotten. It's really just a political slander attempt at this point rather than a real investigation on anything. The skunks will spray stink hard and heavy until November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    That is collusion with the Russians.
    Afraid not slave SESH What that is stands as being nothing more than Trump sucking Putin dick for favors. No question Putin has a lot on Trump that could possibly cost him a great deal financially but never destroy him completely. Seeking dirt on Clinton is not all that hard to do but the F A T Orange Blunder in his gross stupidity never realized he did not need Putin to do so. The F A T Orange Blunder's imbecilic behavior and increasing mental illness has lead him to believe Putin knows what's best for him. That to is hardly collusion unless the F A T Orange Blunder is not only giving Putin and the FSB confidential and top secret information in which case is has gone from collusion to absolute treason which I believe Trump has committed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The whole investigation at this point is to create negative noise before the November elections in an attempt to hurt the Republicans. Right now Trump's approval rating is around 50%. In reality the only thing that is going to hurt Trump is a downturn in the economy. If the economy keeps doing well Trump is fine. If the Republicans do well in November you will see Mueller resign and the investigation fade away and be forgotten. It's really just a political slander attempt at this point rather than a real investigation on anything. The skunks will spray stink hard and heavy until November.


    The economy has nothing to do with the mid-terms. It never has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Paying the hush money had nothing to do with the campaign at all. This is all a red herring to distract the public from the false dossier and all the dirty dealings going on inside the Justice Department and FBI to stop an outsider from being president.

    This has nothing to do with Donald Trump. This has everything to do with keeping people they want out of the presidency out.
    That's completely clearly not true since it was a letter from the Director of the FBI a week before the election which made Trump president. A letter making allegations which came to absolutely nothing.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-the-election/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Right now Trump's approval rating is around 50%.
    Probably in a single dodgy poll for example one using landlines during the day getting old people.

    His average rating was standing at around 42% and that's before this weeks stuff. It even being 42% to be honest is a pretty fucking shocking indictment of the American public as well as showing how powerful having a propaganda TV News and who knows what else social media campaign.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/
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    He'll be polling in the 30's again....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The whole investigation at this point is to create negative noise before the November elections in an attempt to hurt the Republicans. Right now Trump's approval rating is around 50%. In reality the only thing that is going to hurt Trump is a downturn in the economy. If the economy keeps doing well Trump is fine. If the Republicans do well in November you will see Mueller resign and the investigation fade away and be forgotten. It's really just a political slander attempt at this point rather than a real investigation on anything. The skunks will spray stink hard and heavy until November.
    Jesus dude, tell us how Hitler wasn't really so bad and was just misunderstood...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Jesus dude, tell us how Hitler wasn't really so bad and was just misunderstood...
    You really show how delusional you are by making that statement. Go ahead and have your fantasies in your little echo chamber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Probably in a single dodgy poll for example one using landlines during the day getting old people.

    His average rating was standing at around 42% and that's before this weeks stuff. It even being 42% to be honest is a pretty fucking shocking indictment of the American public as well as showing how powerful having a propaganda TV News and who knows what else social media campaign.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/
    Look. I've been hearing how this guy had no chance of winning the election and how his "grab her by the pussy" statement just ruined his campaign and then it's he's really not our president the election was rigged and his popularity isn't what they say. It never stops. Watch. The guy willl finish two whole terms and people will say, he never was president. It all was an illusion.

    The Democrats would have a chance if they offered real solutions to real problems but they don't. It's all bash Trump and that's all your hear. For us not in the echo chamber it gets old. Try having some competent leadership and some workable strategies that result in real solutions. Most of us are busy and when we see an investigation on campaign rigging go on for two years and end up on hush money and some campaign manager not paying his taxes because they couldn't find any Russian collusion we figure ah, Mueller doesn't have shit. It's that simple.

    It's all sore losers still crying and scared criminal insiders worried their crimes might be discovered because they no longer have a buddy in the Executive Branch. Call it Fear and Loathing in Washington DC. It's what it is.
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    The first collusion trial is next month.

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    Based on what evidence? Look. Mueller is focusing on Playboy Playmates and porn stars now. It’s all going towards a sex scandal now and it’s going to be reminiscent of Kenneth Star going after Bill Clinton. It’s all about trying to influence the November elections and if all this fails to influence voters to vote Democrat, Mueller is going to resign and the investigation is over. Then the pissing match will be about some other nonesense.. I probably will backfire on the Democrats like how it backfired on the Republicans. People got so sick of hearing where Bill was sticking things it really devolved into a joke. They were able to trap Bill into committing purjury. That ruined his post presidency law career but they did pretty well getting Hillary into political office and selling her influence and laundering the money through a foundation. It’s all political pissing. No wonder nothing ever get’s fixed in Washington DC and most people perceive the federal government to be a big fucking joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Based on what evidence? Look. Mueller is focusing on Playboy Playmates and porn stars now. It’s all going towards a sex scandal now and it’s going to be reminiscent of Kenneth Star going after Bill Clinton. It’s all about trying to influence the November elections and if all this fails to influence voters to vote Democrat, Mueller is going to resign and the investigation is over. Then the pissing match will be about some other nonesense.. I probably will backfire on the Democrats like how it backfired on the Republicans. People got so sick of hearing where Bill was sticking things it really devolved into a joke. They were able to trap Bill into committing purjury. That ruined his post presidency law career but they did pretty well getting Hillary into political office and selling her influence and laundering the money through a foundation. It’s all political pissing. No wonder nothing ever get’s fixed in Washington DC and most people perceive the federal government to be a big fucking joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    You really show how delusional you are by making that statement. Go ahead and have your fantasies in your little echo chamber.
    Sure guy who regurgitates alt-right white nationalist talking points..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Based on what evidence? Look. Mueller is focusing on Playboy Playmates and porn stars now. It’s all going towards a sex scandal now and it’s going to be reminiscent of Kenneth Star going after Bill Clinton. It’s all about trying to influence the November elections and if all this fails to influence voters to vote Democrat, Mueller is going to resign and the investigation is over. Then the pissing match will be about some other nonesense.. I probably will backfire on the Democrats like how it backfired on the Republicans. People got so sick of hearing where Bill was sticking things it really devolved into a joke. They were able to trap Bill into committing purjury. That ruined his post presidency law career but they did pretty well getting Hillary into political office and selling her influence and laundering the money through a foundation. It’s all political pissing. No wonder nothing ever get’s fixed in Washington DC and most people perceive the federal government to be a big fucking joke.
    You are failing to keep more than one thing in your head at a time. The Stormy Daniels thing is like a Clinton scandal, technically worse because it involves a breach of campaign fund rules but I grant you, in this day in age I can understand an argument of him getting away with that. How many times did he lie about it though? Anyway just because he has that scandal already doesn't mean that there isn't a much worse scandal coming and there is. Trump is a crook he always has been.

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    The "worse scandal" is going to break very soon. Let's just say that Cheeto's Nazi fanbase is really going to hate this, because a Jewish accountant named Weiselberg is going to be the one to bring down the Orange Imbecile. He's got Cheeto's books going back to the 1970's, and he just got immunity from the Feds.

    I'm predicting that Donald Trump will not be President as of February 2019. If this gets real bad, really quickly, the Republican party might demand he pulls a Nixon and resigns before the November Congressional elections. But of course, Pence & the Kochs would not want him gone before January 20, because they would want Pence to be eligible for a 10 year theocracy, under the terms of the 22nd Amendment. The Amendment was passed after FDR's death and also limits a president to two elected terms, but they can still run for election twice, provided they serve less than two terms of a previous President's term in office.

    Though the Amendment has been around since the late 1940's it's never actually been enacted. Arguably, LBJ might have been the one to do so, had the disaster of the Vietnam War not caused him to abandon his campaign for his own 2nd term in 1968 (having served a little over a year of JFK's term and then winning his own election in 1964)

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    I think it's far from over, these people are all in a bubble. 20 years ago maybe but now?

    What would it take for Republicans to vote for impeachment these days?
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    Free reign to loot the Department of the Treasury

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    ...and quit posting your Commie Dumb Turks propaganda slave FORD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I think it's far from over, these people are all in a bubble. 20 years ago maybe but now?

    What would it take for Republicans to vote for impeachment these days?
    Scientific evidence that Trump's base has deserted him in sufficient numbers where voting for impeachment won't hurt THEIR own political futures. From all indications, that isn't even close to happening.

    The Democrats would have to win much larger majorities in both the House and Senate than they're on track to - and they might not even get over 51 in the Senate - to have the numbers needed to have a successful impeachment in terms of actually removing him without any Republican Congressional support.

    I wouldn't say impeachment is totally beyond the realm of possibility, but not because of anything The Young Turks are saying.
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