How the Kavanaugh Nomination Happened

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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35198

    #91
    But surely you want a Supreme Court Judge not to lie repeatedly during his interview - they don't usually do that do they?

    He lied at least a dozen times and that is just the ones that are easy to catch.




    Still, let’s look at some of the other things he has said, many of which concern Christine Blasey Ford’s allegation that he sexually assaulted her:

    “I never attended a gathering like the one Dr. Ford describes in her allegation,” Kavanaugh said in his testimony. Ford described a small gathering of fewer than 10 teenagers at which beer was consumed. But his own calendars reference such gatherings.

    “Dr. Ford’s allegation is not merely uncorroborated, it is refuted by the very people she says were there, including by a long-time friend of hers. Refuted.” This is false. The people in question said they have no memory of the event, which is very, very different from refuting the idea that the event ever took place. Since nothing of note happened to them at the gathering, there’s little reason to think they would recall it all these years later.

    Kavanaugh repeatedly characterized his drinking as regular but moderate, insisting that he has never been so drunk that he couldn’t remember what happened the next day. “Like most people in college I went to parties and had beers,” he said to Judiciary Committee staff. Yet multiple people have now described him as being frequently stumbling drunk in high school and college. “He frequently drank to excess,” one classmate said. “I know because I frequently drank to excess with him.” Another said, “I definitely saw him on multiple occasions stumbling drunk where he could not have rational control over his actions or clear recollection of them.”

    “And yes, there were parties. And the drinking age was 18, and yes, the seniors were legal and had beer there,” he said in his interview with Fox News. In his testimony, he repeated the same idea: “My friends and I sometimes got together and had parties on weekends. The drinking age was 18 in Maryland for most of my time in high school, and was 18 in D.C. for all of my time in high school. I drank beer with my friends.” This is false. The drinking age in Maryland was raised to 21 in 1982, when Kavanaugh was 17. There was not a single day during his entire time in high school when it was legal for him to drink.

    In one of his friend Mark Judge’s books, a memoir of his time in high school, Judge uses pseudonyms for other people he describes. At one point he refers to a “Bart O’Kavanaugh” throwing up in a car. Sen. Pat Leahy asked, “Is that you that he’s talking about?” to which Kavanaugh got indignant and accused Leahy of trying to “make fun of some guy who has an addiction,” meaning Judge. Pressed on whether “O’Kavanaugh” was him, Kavanaugh finally said, “You’d have to ask him.”
    His yearbook refers to him as “Beach Week Ralph Club — Biggest Contributor.” Beach Week is a yearly bacchanal of drinking, drugs, and sex that D.C.-area prep school kids engage in with little or no adult supervision, but Kavanaugh claims that all that was being memorialized was the fact that “I’m known to have a weak stomach and I always have … whether it’s with beer or with spicy food or anything.”

    Kavanaugh claimed that a series of sexual references in his yearbook actually amounted to a vernacular unique to him, in which commonly understood slang terms took on meanings different from what every other person anyone can find understood them to mean. He said the “Devil’s Triangle,” which refers to a threesome with two men and one woman, was actually a drinking game similar to quarters, despite the fact that there is no reference anywhere on the Internet to such a drinking game, and claimed that “boofing” referred not to one of its two common meanings (anal sex or the practice of taking drugs as suppositories) but to flatulence. A reference to “FFFFFFFourth of July” was not a sexual one, but mocking a classmate who stuttered.

    He claimed that multiple references to him and his friends being “Renate alumni,” referring to a young woman from a nearby school, were not sexual boasting and slut-shaming, but were merely included on their yearbook pages to show their affection and admiration for her. “That yearbook reference was clumsily intended to show affection, and that she was one of us,” he said. That must have been why one of his classmates, joining in the show of “affection,” included a poem: “You need a date / and it’s getting late / so don’t hesitate / to call Renate.” When Sen. Richard Blumenthal raised it, Kavanaugh affected deep umbrage, claiming he actually thinks “she’s a great person.” If there’s a single person in America who believes that yearbook reference was meant to show affection, they have yet to make themselves known.

    “I got into Yale Law School. That’s the number one law school in the country. I had no connections there. I got there by busting my tail in college.” This picture of Kavanaugh is absurd. He went to an elite prep school with other children of wealth and influence, he got into Yale as a legacy (his grandfather went there), and one suspects that being a Yale undergrad didn’t harm his chances of getting into Yale Law School.

    “I grew up in a city plagued by gun violence and gang violence and drug violence,” he said in his first round of hearings. Kavanaugh grew up in Bethesda, Md., a wealthy suburb where there is almost no gun violence or gang violence. Though there is plenty of drug use, since the drugs are taken by wealthy white people, the police don’t get involved and there isn’t much violence around it.

    When Kavanaugh was working in the Bush White House on judicial confirmations, a Republican Senate staffer stole Democratic documents and shared what they contained with Kavanaugh, among others. In his hearings, Kavanaugh claimed “I never suspected anything untoward” in the information he was given, despite the fact that it contained references to confidential information about Democrats’ internal discussions and strategy that they had no legitimate access to.

    He claimed to have no knowledge of the sexually explicit jokes, comments and emails by Alex Kozinski, a judge for whom he clerked and to whom he remained close afterward, and who was recently forced from the bench when his history became public. Another of Kozinski’s former clerks wrote, “I do not know how it would be possible to forget something as pervasive as Kozinski’s famously sexual sense of humor or his gag list, as Kavanaugh has professed to in his hearings.”

    Taken in total, what we have here are some apparent outright lies, some deceptions, some mischaracterizations, some evasions and a general picture of someone who decided that giving truthful answers to all these admittedly personal questions would only get him into more trouble. Does that mean Kavanaugh shouldn’t serve on the Supreme Court? Sen. Jeff Flake told “60 Minutes” that if it became clear that Kavanaugh had not been truthful in his testimony, then he should be rejected.

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    • ZahZoo
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Jan 2004
      • 8970

      #92
      You really want to place a lot moral weight on the yearbook notes from high school 35 years ago and use that as a value judgement of someone's honesty..?

      I took some time to read several of his judicial writings from his appellate court cases the last 20 years. He appears to support the Constitution and rule of law quite eloquently and most had no political agenda elements whatsoever.

      Sorry I just can't put that much weight over a teenager's high school bullshit when you've got over 2 decades of fair and notable judicial rulings.
      "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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      • Seshmeister
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Oct 2003
        • 35198

        #93
        It's a job interview for a $240k a year job with benefits and 3 months vacation that he can retire on full salary in 15 years time.

        That hysterical performance on Thursday shouldn't have got him any job apart from as a hammy actor.

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        • jacksmar
          Full Member Status

          • Feb 2004
          • 3533

          #94
          Originally posted by Seshmeister
          It's a job interview for a $240k a year job with benefits and 3 months vacation that he can retire on full salary in 15 years time.

          That hysterical performance on Thursday shouldn't have got him any job apart from as a hammy actor.
          A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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          • Seshmeister
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Oct 2003
            • 35198

            #95
            If Ford had done all that sniveling and crying like Kavanaugh she would have been dismissed as a hysterical woman.

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32798

              #96
              Originally posted by ZahZoo
              You really want to place a lot moral weight on the yearbook notes from high school 35 years ago and use that as a value judgement of someone's honesty..?

              I took some time to read several of his judicial writings from his appellate court cases the last 20 years. He appears to support the Constitution and rule of law quite eloquently and most had no political agenda elements whatsoever.

              Sorry I just can't put that much weight over a teenager's high school bullshit when you've got over 2 decades of fair and notable judicial rulings.
              What it's really about is a part of the country has determined that a women's right to have an abortion is one of the natural laws we are entitled to under our constitutional republic. Kavenaugh represents repealing Roe vs Wade in the minds of many. So what we are in the process as a country is deciding whether the right to an abortion is part of the natural law we are entitled to. Jefferson said it himself every generation is going to battle over what they want the republic to be. For me. I grew up in a conservative christian household but my mom was also a registered nurse when abortions were illegal. She saw the results of plenty of women coming into the hospital as a result of self-abortion attempts or illegal butcher shops. She was pro-choice as a result. That didn't stand so well with members of our church but my mom didn't care and she also made an effort to be one of the most charitable people in the church volunteering many hours in helping people in various ways. So years ago my mom decided for herself what the republic should be. The Supreme Court ruled that a woman has the right to an abortion. What we are seeing now is a fight to continue that ruling and the people who want abortion to be legal don't trust Kavenaugh. As far as the partisan bickering goes. That's always there. Enjoy the freak show.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32798

                #97
                Originally posted by ZahZoo
                I'm not sure any person in government at any level in any country on Earth could pass an "I've never lied" test...
                In the government if you are competent and qualified that will guarantee you will never get a job. You need to be flawed, controllable, and dependent on the system. Then if you can lie your ass off to cover your flaws in public, you will fit into the swamp nicely.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35198

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Nitro Express
                  What it's really about is a part of the country has determined that a women's right to have an abortion is one of the natural laws we are entitled to under our constitutional republic. Kavenaugh represents repealing Roe vs Wade in the minds of many.
                  There are 24 other equally partisan people on the shortlist most of whom are no doubt just as keen to do away with Roe v Wade. The suspicion is that Kavanagh's special because he is the only one on record who rules out legal action against a president.

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                  • Nitro Express
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 32798

                    #99
                    Originally posted by Seshmeister
                    There are 24 other equally partisan people on the shortlist most of whom are no doubt just as keen to do away with Roe v Wade. The suspicion is that Kavanagh's special because he is the only one on record who rules out legal action against a president.
                    The Supreme Court does one thing and one thing only in theory. They decide whether a law is constitutional or not. The court is there to keep not only the federal government in line but state and local governments as well. The court doesn't decide on what happens to a US president. That is the job of the US Congress. Of course these judges are politicized and every party wants the court loaded so they can use it as their own politiburo. Of course repealing Roe vs Wade is a bit of fear mongering the Democrats use to sway people to vote for them in elections. If the court ever managed to repeal Roe vs Wade you would have open rebellion in the country and too many people are in support of legal abortion that they would just ignore the law much like what is happening with our immigration laws. In the liberal areas they are telling ICE to go fuck themselves. So it's all political charade and really, I could care less about Kavenaugh. He's a neocon out of the Bush machine. I think the allegations are bullshit but I could care less if the guy gets on the court.
                    Last edited by Nitro Express; 10-03-2018, 02:17 AM.
                    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32798

                      The bottom line is we are going to see where the country goes. Maybe we will split up into separate parts or maybe things will devolve into another civil war and who wins that will be the decider. Who knows. One thing I know for sure is we aren't going to get together and sing Kumbya. Who knows where it's going to go but all this good economic news you are hearing about is just fluff. We are going to have another market crash and might as well leave Trump in for it. He will own the economic collapse. There is a bunch of debt that needs to deleverage and without the old banking laws the lending and financial games are taking us to a financial blowout. If you look at the Smart Money Index the more experienced traders having been buying into the markets. In fact, they have been selling. It's the suckers buying and it's the suckers who believe Trump. Like Shakesphere said,"All the World is a Stage".
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49205

                        Originally posted by Nitro Express
                        What it's really about is a part of the country has determined that a women's right to have an abortion is one of the natural laws we are entitled to under our constitutional republic. Kavenaugh represents repealing Roe vs Wade in the minds of many. So what we are in the process as a country is deciding whether the right to an abortion is part of the natural law we are entitled to. Jefferson said it himself every generation is going to battle over what they want the republic to be. For me. I grew up in a conservative christian household but my mom was also a registered nurse when abortions were illegal. She saw the results of plenty of women coming into the hospital as a result of self-abortion attempts or illegal butcher shops. She was pro-choice as a result. That didn't stand so well with members of our church but my mom didn't care and she also made an effort to be one of the most charitable people in the church volunteering many hours in helping people in various ways. So years ago my mom decided for herself what the republic should be. The Supreme Court ruled that a woman has the right to an abortion. What we are seeing now is a fight to continue that ruling and the people who want abortion to be legal don't trust Kavenaugh. As far as the partisan bickering goes. That's always there. Enjoy the freak show.

                        Natural law written by slaves owners that actively fucked their female house concubines. FFS it wasn't handed down by God!

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                        • ZahZoo
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 8970

                          Originally posted by Seshmeister
                          There are 24 other equally partisan people on the shortlist most of whom are no doubt just as keen to do away with Roe v Wade. The suspicion is that Kavanagh's special because he is the only one on record who rules out legal action against a president.
                          That's a very good point... there's two women that make Kavanaugh look like a moderate. Judges Amy Coney Barrett, a Catholic and Joan Larsen a far right conservative.

                          With what's gone on so far and taping the "me too" angle... one could reasonably expect either of those two looking like a good choice next in line to counter expected opposition.
                          "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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                          • Seshmeister
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Oct 2003
                            • 35198

                            I doubt either of them have written papers on how a president shouldn't be able to be subpoened or indicted by a special prosecutor.

                            Plus frankly I seriously doubt either of them as women would have been able to become senior judges with the emotional personality flaws shown by Kavanaugh. For example they could probably manage to talk about their parents calendar without breaking down into tears.

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58789

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                                • Jan 2004
                                • 58789

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