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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49136

    Tax Fraud, Conman in Chief

    Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes
    as He Reaped Riches From His Father

    The president has long sold himself as a self-made billionaire, but a Times investigation found that he received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s.

    By DAVID BARSTOW, SUSANNE CRAIG and RUSS BUETTNER

    Oct. 2, 2018
    President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found.

    Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help.

    But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

    Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

    These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.

    The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show.

    The president declined repeated requests over several weeks to comment for this article. But a lawyer for Mr. Trump, Charles J. Harder, provided a written statement on Monday, one day after The Times sent a detailed description of its findings. “The New York Times’s allegations of fraud and tax evasion are 100 percent false, and highly defamatory,” Mr. Harder said. “There was no fraud or tax evasion by anyone. The facts upon which The Times bases its false allegations are extremely inaccurate.”

    Mr. Harder sought to distance Mr. Trump from the tax strategies used by his family, saying the president had delegated those tasks to relatives and tax professionals. “President Trump had virtually no involvement whatsoever with these matters,” he said. “The affairs were handled by other Trump family members who were not experts themselves and therefore relied entirely upon the aforementioned licensed professionals to ensure full compliance with the law.”
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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35162

    #2
    All of this confirms again that Trump is not a good businessman, in fact he was terrible.

    If he had never touched any of the money and just stuck it in banks and investments he would be much better off. He lost a ton of cash as a businessman.

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58754

      #3
      And this is why the bloated orange fuck didn't want his tax records getting out.
      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • ZahZoo
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Jan 2004
        • 8967

        #4
        Why does this matter to some people so much..?

        It's clear that Trump was a political outsider prior to seeking office... All politicians game the financial systems to their own advantage. Does it really matter that Trump did exactly the same thing in a different industry..?

        The only real difference I see is Trump had extensive experience manipulating finances/taxes prior to running for office.... where most politicians develop that skill once in office then gain huge riches during/after serving... They are all crooks!
        "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49136

          #5
          Originally posted by ZahZoo
          Why does this matter to some people so much..?

          It's clear that Trump was a political outsider prior to seeking office... All politicians game the financial systems to their own advantage. Does it really matter that Trump did exactly the same thing in a different industry..?

          The only real difference I see is Trump had extensive experience manipulating finances/taxes prior to running for office.... where most politicians develop that skill once in office then gain huge riches during/after serving... They are all crooks!
          But didn't you vote for Trump because he was a political outsider that was going to drain the swamp that stop "Crooked Hillary"?

          Um, most politicians don't actually money launder their inheritance to avoid tax bills. Unless you think of dictators as "politicians". Then completely lie and misrepresent their father's wealth as their own...

          But, maybe when Trump finally gets around to shooting somebody on 5th Ave., you can continue to apply your silly moral relativism arguments. After all, Trump maybe a murderer, but Nancy Pelosi is a criminal too because she has traffic tickets...

          This reminds me now of the movie "Suckers" about a car dealership where Reggie, the nefarious and morally bankrupt GM tells his salesman that nobody does anything about being blatantly fucked over, because they're so embarrassed that they have to continue to make excuses and even co-opt the con by sending in their friends to buy cars at stupid deals so they feel better about themselves...

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49136

            #6
            Originally posted by Seshmeister
            All of this confirms again that Trump is not a good businessman, in fact he was terrible.

            If he had never touched any of the money and just stuck it in banks and investments he would be much better off. He lost a ton of cash as a businessman.
            He only received a loan for$1 million he had to pay back with interest! The $200,000 salary he earned as an infant was hard work!

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32797

              #7
              Originally posted by ZahZoo
              Why does this matter to some people so much..?

              It's clear that Trump was a political outsider prior to seeking office... All politicians game the financial systems to their own advantage. Does it really matter that Trump did exactly the same thing in a different industry..?

              The only real difference I see is Trump had extensive experience manipulating finances/taxes prior to running for office.... where most politicians develop that skill once in office then gain huge riches during/after serving... They are all crooks!
              Haha! It keeps attention on the New York Times. They are trying to stay relevant. So since the whole Kavenaugh allegations are falling apart and the Mueller investigation is falling apart I guess we need some new dirt. It never ends and I like most people don't give a shit.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • ZahZoo
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Jan 2004
                • 8967

                #8
                Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                But didn't you vote for Trump because he was a political outsider that was going to drain the swamp that stop "Crooked Hillary"?

                Um, most politicians don't actually money launder their inheritance to avoid tax bills. Unless you think of dictators as "politicians". Then completely lie and misrepresent their father's wealth as their own...

                But, maybe when Trump finally gets around to shooting somebody on 5th Ave., you can continue to apply your silly moral relativism arguments. After all, Trump maybe a murderer, but Nancy Pelosi is a criminal too because she has traffic tickets...

                This reminds me now of the movie "Suckers" about a car dealership where Reggie, the nefarious and morally bankrupt GM tells his salesman that nobody does anything about being blatantly fucked over, because they're so embarrassed that they have to continue to make excuses and even co-opt the con by sending in their friends to buy cars at stupid deals so they feel better about themselves...
                Read your response a couple of times... try to focus on the subject matter being discussed, kinda hard to follow your train of thought, dude.

                Still question why Trump's tax filings are important to you?

                He was elected to be the leader of the country... not the Chief Tax Accountant.

                I voted for Trump based on my assessment of the two candidates presented on the ballot. Those choices were selected by a majority of voters across the nation. I don't agree with that majority, but respect the process that got us to the election process. Neither candidate would have been my personal choice as the best person to serve in that role. Tax filings were not the deciding factors in my choice... from that perspective it's not an indicator of leadership attributes important to leading the nation.
                "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32797

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ZahZoo
                  Read your response a couple of times... try to focus on the subject matter being discussed, kinda hard to follow your train of thought, dude.

                  Still question why Trump's tax filings are important to you?

                  He was elected to be the leader of the country... not the Chief Tax Accountant.

                  I voted for Trump based on my assessment of the two candidates presented on the ballot. Those choices were selected by a majority of voters across the nation. I don't agree with that majority, but respect the process that got us to the election process. Neither candidate would have been my personal choice as the best person to serve in that role. Tax filings were not the deciding factors in my choice... from that perspective it's not an indicator of leadership attributes important to leading the nation.
                  People with assets don't do their own taxes. They hire the best accountants they can. These accountants put their signature on the tax documents along with their clients. The game is pay as little tax as you can without going to jail. If you are an accountant good at playing that game you can make a great living and only have a few clients. Maybe if you are rich enough and have bought enough influence, maybe the IRS itself looks the other way. Of course you would have to have very good connections in Washington to pull it off and such people usually set up large foundations to launder the money in.

                  I voted for a New York real estate developer with good accountants who charge him a lot to find all the loopholes possible over a Washington insider who has a lot of powerful contacts with the large foundation. Haha!
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49136

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ZahZoo
                    Read your response a couple of times... try to focus on the subject matter being discussed, kinda hard to follow your train of thought, dude.

                    Still question why Trump's tax filings are important to you?

                    He was elected to be the leader of the country... not the Chief Tax Accountant.

                    I voted for Trump based on my assessment of the two candidates presented on the ballot. Those choices were selected by a majority of voters across the nation. I don't agree with that majority, but respect the process that got us to the election process. Neither candidate would have been my personal choice as the best person to serve in that role. Tax filings were not the deciding factors in my choice... from that perspective it's not an indicator of leadership attributes important to leading the nation.
                    Maybe you should take your own advice, because I'm having a hard time following your train of thought.

                    But, you voted for trump because you're a sucker that believed his bullshit and the nonsense "anything but Hillary" and "draining the swamp" arguments....

                    And you're now going to rationalize that decision with nonsense posts essentially saying that even if he is a crook that was guilty of potential felonies, it's fine, everyone does it. Um, seriously, what in fuck are you basing any of that logic on?

                    And the issue isn't necessarily just "Trump's tax filings", not in scope. Maybe actually read the article before responding.

                    I mean, for fuck's sake, "why is Nixon lying about the Watergate break-in important to me?" I don't fucking know other than maybe the rule of law is important in a democracy?

                    It isn't that Trump made a mistake on his taxes, read the article dude...
                    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 10-04-2018, 04:09 PM.

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49136

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nitro Express
                      Haha! It keeps attention on the New York Times. They are trying to stay relevant. So since the whole Kavenaugh allegations are falling apart and the Mueller investigation is falling apart I guess we need some new dirt. It never ends and I like most people don't give a shit.
                      I'm sure the NY Times will do fine with a massive hundred something+ billionaire owning them. I'm sure he needs a good tax write off, a legit one...

                      But can you describe succinctly why the "Kavanaugh and Mueller" cases are "falling apart"? Or is this just more Nitrous Oxide hit and run nonsense

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49136

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nitro Express
                        People with assets don't do their own taxes. They hire the best accountants they can....Haha!
                        Oh for fucking fuck's sake, READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE!! Numbbutz....

                        It's not about clever accountants, it's about Trump (in part with his brother) orchestrating massive tax fraud and money laundering. No actual accountant would have overseen this for fear of prison...

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32797

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          I'm sure the NY Times will do fine with a massive hundred something+ billionaire owning them. I'm sure he needs a good tax write off, a legit one...

                          But can you describe succinctly why the "Kavanaugh and Mueller" cases are "falling apart"? Or is this just more Nitrous Oxide hit and run nonsense
                          Get back with me after Kavenaugh gets put on the court and Mueller resigns. If you think Trump is scum. Do some reading on Carlos Slim the owner of the New York Times. Please. If Trump was a Democrat he would be the best thing ever. It's all partisan bantering.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49136

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nitro Express
                            Get back with me after Kavenaugh gets put on the court and Mueller resigns. If you think Trump is scum. Do some reading on Carlos Slim the owner of the New York Times. Please. If Trump was a Democrat he would be the best thing ever. It's all partisan bantering.

                            Sure, get back with me after your "don't get it/tonedeaf nonsense". The Democrats WANT him on the court! This has been nothing but a cake win for them, topped off with the Trump-mocking-Ford and Lindsey Graham-Lincoln Log gay Republican complete lack of empathy and faux-anger at the mistreatment of a creepy misogynous fake choir-boy douche cherries! That mobilizes moderate female and college educated male (read white) suburban and neo-urban voters toward the Democratic Party. What's the worst that happens according to Dems? He helps overturn Roe vs. Wade? LMFAO!! Goodbye GOP, hello splinter parties of perma-opposition.....

                            LMFAO!!! Mueller ain't resigning! I mean, seriously!!

                            Actually, wait until the Dems take the House and create a new theme park called "Subpoena Land". You have no idea what Drumpf is in for....
                            Last edited by Nickdfresh; 10-04-2018, 04:26 PM.

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35162

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nitro Express
                              Get back with me after Kavenaugh gets put on the court and Mueller resigns.
                              You are killing your own argument here - Mueller is a Republican appointed by Republicans.

                              So even if a guy isn't partisan it's all just partisan according to you - even when it's one of your guys?

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