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    More insanity from the Cheeto cult....


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    I'm far from a big fan of President Trump... but I do question the purpose of the continued focus on his past business and alleged tax issues.

    His business failings and his accountant's creative tax approaches weren't enough for 16 other Republican candidates to demonstrate they were better for the job... They weren't enough of a decisive factor to prevent Trump from winning the election in 2016. Do you honestly think continuing to mock and raise concerns for this is going to sway the nation into unseating the President..? It's not.

    The one thing I see lacking from all of the opposition to the current administration is a better plan, vision and platform. Without those components the opposition will continue to lose. It's not that high of a bar to over-come with the Trump administration... seriously... but the Democrats and Socialists have nothing of value to offer that interests majority of the nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I'm far from a big fan of President Trump... but I do question the purpose of the continued focus on his past business and alleged tax issues.

    His business failings and his accountant's creative tax approaches weren't enough for 16 other Republican candidates to demonstrate they were better for the job... They weren't enough of a decisive factor to prevent Trump from winning the election in 2016. Do you honestly think continuing to mock and raise concerns for this is going to sway the nation into unseating the President..? It's not.

    The one thing I see lacking from all of the opposition to the current administration is a better plan, vision and platform. Without those components the opposition will continue to lose. It's not that high of a bar to over-come with the Trump administration... seriously... but the Democrats and Socialists have nothing of value to offer that interests majority of the nation.
    What happened is the politically connected elite have representation. The government bails them out when their banks fail. The people on welfare have representation. The welfare continues to be funded. Who doesn't have representation are the people in the middle who don't get bailed out if they go broke and they aren't on welfare. These people got fed up and voted a person with no political experience as president. It was a huge shock to the establishment that he won. If you are a professional, lifetime politician. A guy like Trump being able to win spooks the shit out of them. If an outsider can win the highest office in the country then an outsider can win any seat. This is what it's really about. The radical left is just the most noisey and the most colorful. Make no mistake. Many on the Republican side don't like outsiders winning either. As far as Trump goes, his approval rating would be higher if he wasn't such a schmuck. People voted for him out of rebellion basically. As long as the people in the middle feel Trump represents them, he's going to be tough competition to beat. Yup. I don't see anything better being offered on the current menu.
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    No shortage of weirdos on the left or the right to cover if you are doing political commentary. Really not a bad business to be in at the moment. I'm sure Cenk Ungar has done well and of course a few people on the right have done well. Oddly enough this whole thing started with Rush Limbaugh. A radio DJ who never really made it big until he started talking politics on the AM band. Then of course the left got in on it with Radio America and some of those people now are on the major networks. People used to watch the same news in the past and now we have left and right propaganda channels. I really don't like it but some people like Rachel Maddow have made a lot of money doing it. Alex Jones was a guy on public access and then he became an internet sensation. What's funny is his enemies keep promoting him by mentioning him constantly. Out of all these characters Alex probably is the most interesting. Watching Glen Beck self-destruct was pure entertainment. I'm a troll so I love watching all these people fight each other and then I go troll the comment section for entertainment. Haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I'm far from a big fan of President Trump... but I do question the purpose of the continued focus on his past business and alleged tax issues....
    If this were any CEO/CFO from a real company, they'd most likely be asked to resign (or fired for you and me) for the same allegations if proven true...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I'm far from a big fan of President Trump... but I do question the purpose of the continued focus on his past business and alleged tax issues.

    His business failings and his accountant's creative tax approaches weren't enough for 16 other Republican candidates to demonstrate they were better for the job... They weren't enough of a decisive factor to prevent Trump from winning the election in 2016. Do you honestly think continuing to mock and raise concerns for this is going to sway the nation into unseating the President..? It's not.

    The one thing I see lacking from all of the opposition to the current administration is a better plan, vision and platform. Without those components the opposition will continue to lose. It's not that high of a bar to over-come with the Trump administration... seriously... but the Democrats and Socialists have nothing of value to offer that interests majority of the nation.
    One thing Sanders said in 2016 which rang true was along the lines of if the Democratic Party stood with the working class, they'd win every election easily.

    Problem is, the Democratic Party hasn't stood with the working class in an effective or meaningful way in decades. They talk the talk come election time, but essentially supported virtually all the regressive tax policies all the way down the line. A bunch of middle of the road, parsing, mealy-mouthed doubletalk when legislation has been passed.

    And I agree the Democratic Party has no plan, vision or platform going forward beyond being on the liberal side of social wedge issues. That strategy isn't going to bring working class whites who are struggling economically into the fold.

    The investigations into Trump's past tax strategies aren't going to covert any of Trump's supporters into voting against him. Agreed. It's just more echo-chamber reinforcement for those who are already opposed to him.

    2020 is still a couple years away. A lot can happen between now and then, to be sure. If the presidential elections were held THIS fall, I wouldn't be willing to wager Trump wouldn't be re-elected. Not as long as you have Schumer and Pelosi dithering about.

    The problem with the Democratic Party is that they are more concerned with being right - and having everybody else know they are right - than they are with winning. The Republicans and Trump have so such qualms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    One thing Sanders said in 2016 which rang true was along the lines of if the Democratic Party stood with the working class, they'd win every election easily.
    If the working class had enough information and if more of them voted.

    I find it very odd when Trump is described as a not part of the 'elite' when he literally walked down a golden staircase in his tower to announce his intention to run and the main (if only) legislation he has got enacted was mainly for the top 0.1% not even the top 1%.

    This is mainly an anonymous forum for CVH fans who demographically speaking despite what DLR may spin, are as white as fuck and at this point mainly middle aged. I strongly suspect majority Trump voters at the last election if you could actually add it up if not reflected so much in this forum currently.

    My question would be this graph.



    My gut tells me that maybe Nitro may be slightly better off from it but he's not the real target of this - it was a blatant money grab for people who really really really don't need it at this point.

    Also remember that the outcome of this is massive debt for the US - kind of everything Paul Ryan said he was against.
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    The corporatist "Democrats" and their allies in the whore media are going out of their way to push the completely bullshit idea that Joe Biden is now the clear frontrunner for 2020, and that Bernie is a distant third.

    Yeah right? Which Joe Biden would that be? The one who sponsored the 2005 bankruptcy "reform" bill which kept people eternally indebted to the Delaware credit card predators & student loans? The one who signed one of the PNAC letters? The one who helped the pervert Clarence Thomas get on the Supreme Court? Or the one who already ran for President three times and was out by Iowa all three of those times?? He's the only possible "Democratic" candidate who could lose by a bigger margin than Hillary Clinton.

    As bullshit as the previously mentioned polls are, at least they had Elizabeth Warren in the #2 spot. She's definitely more electable than Biden. And as much as I hate to say it, she might be slightly more electable than Bernie, if the election were held today. If the Democratic party is going to run a woman in 2020, she's the only one of the current presumed candidates who is a sure win. Kamala Harris or even worse, Hillary's mini-me Gillibrand ain't got a hope in Hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    If this were any CEO/CFO from a real company, they'd most likely be asked to resign (or fired for you and me) for the same allegations if proven true...
    Good logic but it doesn't apply... We're talking the elected President of the US not the CEO of a corporation.

    If this were about a legitimate corporation... Trump wouldn't even had made the short list for a CEO/CFO position in the first place. No corporate board of directors in their right minds would even give Trump an ounce of consideration... That's point I'm making about these concerns. Wasted energy on issues that aren't going to sway anyone away from the current situation.

    On the other points raised... I'm still withholding my final assessment on the Trump Tax cuts until we see what the numbers reveal after the tax filings next April. On paper the position that this just supports the upper end, big corporations, Wall Street and raises the deficit seems somewhat logical... but we won't see the real impact until actual tax filings at the new rates are submitted, plus the impact of the economic growth that has been continuing the last year and half. Based on some of the numbers to date... there are indications that tax revenue is rising rapidly and deficits are falling. If that's the case... then what's next to indicate the sky is falling..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Good logic but it doesn't apply... We're talking the elected President of the US not the CEO of a corporation.

    ....?
    Well, if your logic is that CEO's have a higher standard than the POTUS, if pretty fucking bizarre...

    You know and I know that if that NYT article came out in 2015-16, Drumpf ain't president...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Good logic but it doesn't apply... We're talking the elected President of the US not the CEO of a corporation.

    If this were about a legitimate corporation... Trump wouldn't even had made the short list for a CEO/CFO position in the first place. No corporate board of directors in their right minds would even give Trump an ounce of consideration... That's point I'm making about these concerns. Wasted energy on issues that aren't going to sway anyone away from the current situation.

    On the other points raised... I'm still withholding my final assessment on the Trump Tax cuts until we see what the numbers reveal after the tax filings next April. On paper the position that this just supports the upper end, big corporations, Wall Street and raises the deficit seems somewhat logical... but we won't see the real impact until actual tax filings at the new rates are submitted, plus the impact of the economic growth that has been continuing the last year and half. Based on some of the numbers to date... there are indications that tax revenue is rising rapidly and deficits are falling. If that's the case... then what's next to indicate the sky is falling..?
    All I know is that I'm loving the extra bump in my paycheck (about $1,900.00 for the year). My current calculations say I'm getting back an extra $1,200.00 in next filing, and my IRA is rocking big time!
    Why would I vote against that?
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    The Republican party talking points usually involve the absurd idea that "the country should be run like a business". Ironically, in the last 18 years, they have used that rationale to support Chimp & Cheney - who were both serial business failures, Mittens Romney, a vulture capitalist who has outsourced millions of jobs to China, and the multiple bankruptcy tax fraud Orange Imbecile in 2016.

    If you really believe the country should run like a business, shouldn't you look for a candidate who was actually GOOD at business??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Good logic but it doesn't apply... We're talking the elected President of the US not the CEO of a corporation.

    If this were about a legitimate corporation... Trump wouldn't even had made the short list for a CEO/CFO position in the first place. No corporate board of directors in their right minds would even give Trump an ounce of consideration... That's point I'm making about these concerns. Wasted energy on issues that aren't going to sway anyone away from the current situation.

    On the other points raised... I'm still withholding my final assessment on the Trump Tax cuts until we see what the numbers reveal after the tax filings next April. On paper the position that this just supports the upper end, big corporations, Wall Street and raises the deficit seems somewhat logical... but we won't see the real impact until actual tax filings at the new rates are submitted, plus the impact of the economic growth that has been continuing the last year and half. Based on some of the numbers to date... there are indications that tax revenue is rising rapidly and deficits are falling. If that's the case... then what's next to indicate the sky is falling..?
    Before Trump came into office the US had the highest corporate tax rate in the world. His strategy of dropping the corporate tax rate was to bring money that the corporations had offshore back into the country. Of course when Trump dropped our tax rate China dropped theirs to zero. The problem though is the corporations are just buying their own stock back with the extra money they have and so dropping the rates has just temporarily inflated the equity markets. This all gets complicated and the reality is the problems are so big and complex nobody is going to solve them. We will have another market collapse and the big question is, can we print ourselves out of it this time like we did in 2008? Nobody knows because nobody has manipulated an economy as much as we have. One thing though, if the markets crash for good it will take the rich down with it. The average investor got hit in 2008. It's the rich who got bailed out. When the market crashes again and another bailout doesn't work it means prices on housing and tuition will drop. Jobs will be extremely hard to get but if you have cash you can make some great deals. The big question that the so called financial experts argue on is will the US Dollar hold up. The only thing that gives the US Dollar any value is the US has the illusion of being a stable government. So when you see the politicians argue like they do now they are in the process of undermining all the dollars they have taken from K Street. Intelligent people. Really what we are seeing is a financial and political system in the process of probably failing. No sense in arguing what political party or politician is best because they all suck. At least we have avoided getting into another war so far but if you are expecting some politician to give you a utopia and fix all this shit I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I don't really even pay attention to it anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    All I know is that I'm loving the extra bump in my paycheck (about $1,900.00 for the year). My current calculations say I'm getting back an extra $1,200.00 in next filing, and my IRA is rocking big time!
    Why would I vote against that?
    Yup. What people don't get is this really isn't a Democrat or Republican thing. It's a who's in the middle thing. The extremely rich bankers get bailed out when their financial institutions fail. That's welfare for the rich. The poor get their form of welfare. So both sides have representation in the government. Who doesn't get bailed out are the people in the middle who aren't the financial elite or on welfare. Nobody bails them out and they are too proud and independent to get on welfare. Some of these people come from families who were Democrats and others come from families who where Republican. I find these people really don't like either party anymore because they feel sold out by both. So they gave Trump a shot and managed to put him in office and as long as Trump can give you an extra bump in your paycheck and keep the IRA rocking he's sitting fine. Wasn't it Bill Clinton who said "It's the economy stupid?"

    I think you made the most intelligent post here. People vote their own interest. That's the reality of it.

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    We should have a "I Don't Get a Bailout" political party. Haha! It's what it's all about right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    We should have a "I Don't Get a Bailout" political party. Haha! It's what it's all about right there.
    This I don't understand! If the taxes break is taken away, they WILL notice.

    According to a Monmouth University poll released this week, just 34 percent of Americans said they approve of the Republican tax reform package, compared to 41 percent who disapprove. That’s down from April, when 40 percent of Americans said they approved of the law and 44 percent did not. In January, respondents were evenly split, with 44 percent saying they approved and another 44 percent voicing disapproval of the plan.

    Public opinion on the tax law has “never been positive,” said Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute, in a statement accompanying the results, “but potentially growing uncertainty about how American taxpayers will be affected does not seem to be helping the GOP’s prospects in November.”

    Broadly, most polling shows the tax law is more disliked than liked by Americans. A recent Quinnipiac poll found 39 percent of respondents approve of the legislation and 46 percent disapprove of it. An Economist/YouGov poll found a smaller but still negative margin, with 38 percent approving and 40 percent not.

    A RealClearPolitics average of tax law polling indicates that about 36.1 percent of Americans are on board with the tax measure and 43 percent are not, a nearly 7 percentage point difference.
    Americans seem kind of ambivalent about the tax law

    It appears that more Americans are becoming uncertain about how they feel about the tax legislation, the Monmouth pollsters noted. Twenty-four percent of respondents to their June poll said they’re not sure how they feel about the law. In January, 13 percent said they didn’t know.

    That could be for a lot of reasons. The law is designed to benefit corporations and the richest Americans most. It reduced the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent, and the top 1 percent of individual earners are expected to receive about 80 percent of the legislation’s gains.

    Many Americans are probably seeing somewhat higher paychecks but not enough for them to notice. There’s polling to back that up: In February, just a quarter of the public reported seeing a change in their paychecks in a Politico/Morning Consult poll. And the real proof in the pudding won’t be evident until tax time in April 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    This I don't understand! If the taxes break is taken away, they WILL notice.

    According to a Monmouth University poll released this week, just 34 percent of Americans said they approve of the Republican tax reform package, compared to 41 percent who disapprove. That’s down from April, when 40 percent of Americans said they approved of the law and 44 percent did not. In January, respondents were evenly split, with 44 percent saying they approved and another 44 percent voicing disapproval of the plan.

    Public opinion on the tax law has “never been positive,” said Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute, in a statement accompanying the results, “but potentially growing uncertainty about how American taxpayers will be affected does not seem to be helping the GOP’s prospects in November.”

    Broadly, most polling shows the tax law is more disliked than liked by Americans. A recent Quinnipiac poll found 39 percent of respondents approve of the legislation and 46 percent disapprove of it. An Economist/YouGov poll found a smaller but still negative margin, with 38 percent approving and 40 percent not.

    A RealClearPolitics average of tax law polling indicates that about 36.1 percent of Americans are on board with the tax measure and 43 percent are not, a nearly 7 percentage point difference.
    Americans seem kind of ambivalent about the tax law

    It appears that more Americans are becoming uncertain about how they feel about the tax legislation, the Monmouth pollsters noted. Twenty-four percent of respondents to their June poll said they’re not sure how they feel about the law. In January, 13 percent said they didn’t know.

    That could be for a lot of reasons. The law is designed to benefit corporations and the richest Americans most. It reduced the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent, and the top 1 percent of individual earners are expected to receive about 80 percent of the legislation’s gains.

    Many Americans are probably seeing somewhat higher paychecks but not enough for them to notice. There’s polling to back that up: In February, just a quarter of the public reported seeing a change in their paychecks in a Politico/Morning Consult poll. And the real proof in the pudding won’t be evident until tax time in April 2019.


    Haha!haha! You can say anything you want in a poll. Statistical data is all based on sampling and getting accurate sampling is where the real trick is and it's not easy to do and most people don't understand sampling. Also most Americans have no understanding of tax law. All I can say is if enough working people got a bonus and their retirement portfolio is going up in value they are going to be happy. You are right. Take it away and they will notice. Most people have never heard of corporate inversion nor do they care but they understand more money in the check and a rocking IRA. So if enough people enjoy this in 2020 it's a no brainer who they are going to vote for. That simple.

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    Yeah, you can't take your poll sampling in the middle of East L.A. or Southside Chiraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    All I know is that I'm loving the extra bump in my paycheck (about $1,900.00 for the year). My current calculations say I'm getting back an extra $1,200.00 in next filing, and my IRA is rocking big time!
    Why would I vote against that?
    Exactly... everyone I know with regular jobs saw a noticeable increase in take home pay when the new federal withholding rates kicked in. In our case, about $5000 for the year. I haven't taken the time to crunch the details on the adjustments for the new standard deduction rate and the fucking Alternative Minimum Tax which kills us every year... based on bar napkin calculations we could be looking at a tax savings well over $10k... We are not 1 percenter's by any stretch...

    Several small business owners I know who do tax projections quarterly are projecting huge federal tax savings, plus many of their large corporate suppliers have passed on savings due to their reduced tax liability.

    I challenge anyone to find me one person in the US who can honestly claim they did not benefit from these recent tax cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Before Trump came into office the US had the highest corporate tax rate in the world...
    Um, not even close, Higgens....

    But feel free to shit out of your mouth with a run-on paragraph...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Exactly... everyone I know with regular jobs saw a noticeable increase in take home pay when the new federal withholding rates kicked in. In our case, about $5000 for the year. I haven't taken the time to crunch the details on the adjustments for the new standard deduction rate and the fucking Alternative Minimum Tax which kills us every year... based on bar napkin calculations we could be looking at a tax savings well over $10k... We are not 1 percenter's by any stretch...

    Several small business owners I know who do tax projections quarterly are projecting huge federal tax savings, plus many of their large corporate suppliers have passed on savings due to their reduced tax liability.

    I challenge anyone to find me one person in the US who can honestly claim they did not benefit from these recent tax cuts.
    Fucking your great grandchildren with a massive deficit never felt so good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Um, not even close, Higgens....

    But feel free to shit out of your mouth with a run-on paragraph...
    You take the former federal corporate tax rate of 35% and add in the average of the states corporate tax rates and you end up with a tax rate of 39.1%. The highest corporate tax rate of any industrialized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    Yeah, you can't take your poll sampling in the middle of East L.A. or Southside Chiraq.
    Statistical formulas are a function and garbage in and garbage out. A statistical study is only as good as it’s sampling and getting good sampling is a huge challenge. There are so many variables on how data can be collected and how you gather your data affects the end result. You really have to look at who did the survey and how the data was collected to determine whether the survey results are even worth basing any conclusion on. I interned for the Investment Banking Firm Allen and Company. One thing investment banks do is they look at lot of data and base financial decisions on that data. Knowing what is good data and what is shit is a big part of staying in the game. What I learned was most polls are junk. Lot’s of garbage and bias being peddled out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Exactly... everyone I know with regular jobs saw a noticeable increase in take home pay when the new federal withholding rates kicked in. In our case, about $5000 for the year. I haven't taken the time to crunch the details on the adjustments for the new standard deduction rate and the fucking Alternative Minimum Tax which kills us every year... based on bar napkin calculations we could be looking at a tax savings well over $10k... We are not 1 percenter's by any stretch...

    Several small business owners I know who do tax projections quarterly are projecting huge federal tax savings, plus many of their large corporate suppliers have passed on savings due to their reduced tax liability.

    I challenge anyone to find me one person in the US who can honestly claim they did not benefit from these recent tax cuts.
    My dad always said people don’t vote issues, they vote their pocket book. I have found that to be true. Yup. I’m benefitting as well. If you are running your own business you feel a smaller monkey on your back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    You take the former federal corporate tax rate of 35% and add in the average of the states corporate tax rates and you end up with a tax rate of 39.1%. The highest corporate tax rate of any industrialized nation.

    Are you stupid or just lying like fuck? No US corporations actually pay that! Many pay Nothing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Fucking your great grandchildren with a massive deficit never felt so good!
    Nothing you or I do can directly change the current economic factors we live with and I won't waste time worrying about it. Do you honestly believe that if we had all joined you in electing Hillary the "massive deficit" would be evaporating and we'd all be celebrating the deficit free future for our great-grandchildren..?

    I'm perfectly happy to have a few thousand dollars not going to Washington to be further mismanaged. It's a good start and I'd fully support even more cuts forcing the wasteful spending to change. Sending more money to Washington isn't going to stop the deficit.

    Do you blame your great-grandparents for their hand in creating the great Depression, Prohibition and a world so socially and culturally fucked up that 10's of millions of humans were murdered resulting in World War II and finally had to be ended by use of nuclear weapons to get that shit to stop..? Do you cuss your great-grandparents for developing a fossil fuel based industrial complex responsible for climate change..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Do you blame your great-grandparents for their hand in creating the great Depression, Prohibition and a world so socially and culturally fucked up that 10's of millions of humans were murdered resulting in World War II and finally had to be ended by use of nuclear weapons to get that shit to stop..? Do you cuss your great-grandparents for developing a fossil fuel based industrial complex responsible for climate change..?
    I do blame our generation for creating Van Hagar and Culture Club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Are you stupid or just lying like fuck? No US corporations actually pay that! Many pay Nothing!
    Ooh..my IRA loves that concept. Maybe that's why my Apple stock price tripled in 5 years. Perhaps if you quit bitching and joined "corporate death world" via some ownership
    you would be happier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Are you stupid or just lying like fuck? No US corporations actually pay that! Many pay Nothing!
    They pay nothing by moving offshore. That's what a corporate inversion is. You drop the tax rate and they bring the money back that they have offshore. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Fucking your great grandchildren with a massive deficit never felt so good!
    Actually the federal government collected a record amount of individual income taxes for fiscal year 2018. Dropping the tax rate increased productivity and the tax collected increased. The government doesn't have a income problem it has a spending problem and on that both Republicans and Democrats are to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Nothing you or I do can directly change the current economic factors we live with and I won't waste time worrying about it. Do you honestly believe that if we had all joined you in electing Hillary the "massive deficit" would be evaporating and we'd all be celebrating the deficit free future for our great-grandchildren..?

    I'm perfectly happy to have a few thousand dollars not going to Washington to be further mismanaged. It's a good start and I'd fully support even more cuts forcing the wasteful spending to change. Sending more money to Washington isn't going to stop the deficit.

    Do you blame your great-grandparents for their hand in creating the great Depression, Prohibition and a world so socially and culturally fucked up that 10's of millions of humans were murdered resulting in World War II and finally had to be ended by use of nuclear weapons to get that shit to stop..? Do you cuss your great-grandparents for developing a fossil fuel based industrial complex responsible for climate change..?
    The US right now is ranked the most productive country in the world. Looks like those who are working are getting some extra $$$$$ to squirrel away. I will take what I can get. Somebody did something right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    This I don't understand! If the taxes break is taken away, they WILL notice.

    According to a Monmouth University poll released this week, just 34 percent of Americans said they approve of the Republican tax reform package, compared to 41 percent who disapprove. That’s down from April, when 40 percent of Americans said they approved of the law and 44 percent did not. In January, respondents were evenly split, with 44 percent saying they approved and another 44 percent voicing disapproval of the plan.
    Yeeeeah BOYZ! A "Monmouth University Poll" - well know for their accuracy and stemming the tide of the bullshit they create. Do fuck off wit that weak maligned shit, okay? Fuckstick retard.



    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    A RealClearPolitics average of tax law polling indicates that about 36.1 percent of Americans are on board with the tax measure and 43 percent are not, a nearly 7 percentage point difference.
    Americans seem kind of ambivalent about the tax law.
    RealClearPolitics often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation.

    So another unworthy news source


    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    It appears that more Americans are becoming uncertain about how they feel about the tax legislation, the Monmouth pollsters noted. Twenty-four percent of respondents to their June poll said they’re not sure how they feel about the law. In January, 13 percent said they didn’t know.
    Because they have no idea of the bankruptcy deficit train that is about to hit them. As I write this, the Rethuglicons are already drafting bills not only to gut healthcare, but Social Security, pensions, 401k's HSA, and even you personal savings. Those tax cuts are not going to pay for themselves. And then who is going to pay for those cuts? The middle class? You are abut to see this country go right into the depression shitter that no one has seen before.



    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    Many Americans are probably seeing somewhat higher paychecks but not enough for them to notice. There’s polling to back that up: In February, just a quarter of the public reported seeing a change in their paychecks in a Politico/Morning Consult poll. And the real proof in the pudding won’t be evident until tax time in April 2019.
    No they're not. And by "higher" means what? A $1, $1.50? Wow. No one is benefiting from this but the inbreeding uber rich fucktards that fucktards like you so blindingly adhere to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The US right now is ranked the most productive country in the world. Looks like those who are working are getting some extra $$$$$ to squirrel away. I will take what I can get. Somebody did something right.
    Links? Quotes. Funded research?

    Go masturbate to your F A T Orange Teletubby elsewhere, fucking stupid hippie

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    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    Ooh..my IRA loves that concept. Maybe that's why my Apple stock price tripled in 5 years. Perhaps if you quit bitching and joined "corporate death world" via some ownership
    you would be happier.
    As someone who owned stock in Apple you are full of shit. Their gains are short and they fluctuate too much for any real dividends. Apple is dying. Spotify is kicking the ass in the downloading department and Amazon and Netflix are plunging the knife into them elsewhere. Their new iPhone is a fucking piece of fucking shit. Get a clue, chucklenuts:
    https://www.investors.com/news/techn...ales-concerns/

    Not even hipsters are buying their overpriced shit anymore and their quality is in the shitter with the F A T Orange man's coughed-up Stormy Daniels IUD. Asshole.

    Your IRA? Shenanigans you even have one. What you have is a yard so full of unpicked dog shit the health department just quarantined your white trash home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Statistical formulas are a function and garbage in and garbage out. A statistical study is only as good as it’s sampling and getting good sampling is a huge challenge. There are so many variables on how data can be collected and how you gather your data affects the end result. You really have to look at who did the survey and how the data was collected to determine whether the survey results are even worth basing any conclusion on. I interned for the Investment Banking Firm Allen and Company. One thing investment banks do is they look at lot of data and base financial decisions on that data. Knowing what is good data and what is shit is a big part of staying in the game. What I learned was most polls are junk. Lot’s of garbage and bias being peddled out there.

    Oh yeah, where's your "MBA" report, you lying piece of shit?

    Were you too busy flying 'choppers in Afghanistan to get around to it? Or were you making clandestine deals with the C.I.A? Maybe buying land in Paraguay to raise piranhas? You are so full of shit that even the shit you purge no longer smells to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    My dad always said people don’t vote issues, they vote their pocket book. I have found that to be true. Yup. I’m benefitting as well. If you are running your own business you feel a smaller monkey on your back.
    Well, your "dad" is/was a total idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The corporatist "Democrats" and their allies in the whore media are going out of their way to push the completely bullshit idea that Joe Biden is now the clear frontrunner for 2020, and that Bernie is a distant third.

    Yeah right? Which Joe Biden would that be? The one who sponsored the 2005 bankruptcy "reform" bill which kept people eternally indebted to the Delaware credit card predators & student loans? The one who signed one of the PNAC letters? The one who helped the pervert Clarence Thomas get on the Supreme Court? Or the one who already ran for President three times and was out by Iowa all three of those times?? He's the only possible "Democratic" candidate who could lose by a bigger margin than Hillary Clinton.

    As bullshit as the previously mentioned polls are, at least they had Elizabeth Warren in the #2 spot. She's definitely more electable than Biden. And as much as I hate to say it, she might be slightly more electable than Bernie, if the election were held today. If the Democratic party is going to run a woman in 2020, she's the only one of the current presumed candidates who is a sure win. Kamala Harris or even worse, Hillary's mini-me Gillibrand ain't got a hope in Hell.

    Everything you just said there was bullshit. All 100% bullshit. For the Democrats to have any sway in 2020 they need to rid themselves of the old guard. This not only means Biden but that festering idiot Tom Perez and well as your retarded slave owner master Bernie who is just as corporate and corrupt as any Rethuglicon piece of rotting filth. It has to be somebody young, independent, and cares not one crap about the Democratic staus quo. Also, the Democrats need to break away from this entertainment elitist crap. No Robert DeNiro, no Bruce Springsteen, and no god damn Taylor Swift - fuck them right in their mansion-owned assholes.

    America is rotting from the inside out and back to the outside in. Take a look around where I live - it's falling apart and no one seems to care. The Rethuglicons want to keep it that way by having the poor be poorer, and the sick dead. They want to loot the Treasury, control America's joke of an educational system, they want to control the media, sports and all religious programming. They want a nondemocratic despotism government and retards like you are all to eager to give them that.

    So what these Democrats need is someone who can dismantle the Rethuglicon party piece by piece and expose them for the criminals and sociopaths they truly are but with dickheads like Perez in charge that will never happen. Whomever runs for the Democratic party nomination in 2020 needs to destroy their own party first and then brutally rip the Rethuglicons apart limb-from-greedy-limb. It's way past time for you Bernie brats and your pussy bellyaching to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The US right now is ranked the most productive country in the world. Looks like those who are working are getting some extra $$$$$ to squirrel away. I will take what I can get. Somebody did something right.
    I think that figure means that the US has the highest GDP and that's a good thing but it's a gross figure, not per person. China and India are in the top 10 most productive list as well.

    Funny (unrelated) factoid is that when working out GDP they also include illegal economic activity like meth sales and prostitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Everything you just said there was bullshit. All 100% bullshit. For the Democrats to have any sway in 2020 they need to rid themselves of the old guard. This not only means Biden but that festering idiot Tom Perez and well as your retarded slave owner master Bernie who is just as corporate and corrupt as any Rethuglicon piece of rotting filth. It has to be somebody young, independent, and cares not one crap about the Democratic staus quo.
    Well, we have such a candidate who is about to enter Congress.....



    ...but unfortunately, the US constitution says you have to be 35 to run for President, so she's not going to be able to run in 2020.

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