These Trump Supporters Will Make You Facepalm

[FORD]

[FORD]

More insanity from the Cheeto cult....

[ZahZoo]

I'm far from a big fan of President Trump... but I do question the purpose of the continued focus on his past business and alleged tax issues.

His business failings and his accountant's creative tax approaches weren't enough for 16 other Republican candidates to demonstrate they were better for the job... They weren't enough of a decisive factor to prevent Trump from winning the election in 2016. Do you honestly think continuing to mock and raise concerns for this is going to sway the nation into unseating the President..? It's not.

The one thing I see lacking from all of the opposition to the current administration is a better plan, vision and platform. Without those components the opposition will continue to lose. It's not that high of a bar to over-come with the Trump administration... seriously... but the Democrats and Socialists have nothing of value to offer that interests majority of the nation.

[Nitro Express]

I'm far from a big fan of President Trump... but I do question the purpose of the continued focus on his past business and alleged tax issues.

His business failings and his accountant's creative tax approaches weren't enough for 16 other Republican candidates to demonstrate they were better for the job... They weren't enough of a decisive factor to prevent Trump from winning the election in 2016. Do you honestly think continuing to mock and raise concerns for this is going to sway the nation into unseating the President..? It's not.

The one thing I see lacking from all of the opposition to the current administration is a better plan, vision and platform. Without those components the opposition will continue to lose. It's not that high of a bar to over-come with the Trump administration... seriously... but the Democrats and Socialists have nothing of value to offer that interests majority of the nation.

What happened is the politically connected elite have representation. The government bails them out when their banks fail. The people on welfare have representation. The welfare continues to be funded. Who doesn't have representation are the people in the middle who don't get bailed out if they go broke and they aren't on welfare. These people got fed up and voted a person with no political experience as president. It was a huge shock to the establishment that he won. If you are a professional, lifetime politician. A guy like Trump being able to win spooks the shit out of them. If an outsider can win the highest office in the country then an outsider can win any seat. This is what it's really about. The radical left is just the most noisey and the most colorful. Make no mistake. Many on the Republican side don't like outsiders winning either. As far as Trump goes, his approval rating would be higher if he wasn't such a schmuck. People voted for him out of rebellion basically. As long as the people in the middle feel Trump represents them, he's going to be tough competition to beat. Yup. I don't see anything better being offered on the current menu.

[Nitro Express]

No shortage of weirdos on the left or the right to cover if you are doing political commentary. Really not a bad business to be in at the moment. I'm sure Cenk Ungar has done well and of course a few people on the right have done well. Oddly enough this whole thing started with Rush Limbaugh. A radio DJ who never really made it big until he started talking politics on the AM band. Then of course the left got in on it with Radio America and some of those people now are on the major networks. People used to watch the same news in the past and now we have left and right propaganda channels. I really don't like it but some people like Rachel Maddow have made a lot of money doing it. Alex Jones was a guy on public access and then he became an internet sensation. What's funny is his enemies keep promoting him by mentioning him constantly. Out of all these characters Alex probably is the most interesting. Watching Glen Beck self-destruct was pure entertainment. I'm a troll so I love watching all these people fight each other and then I go troll the comment section for entertainment. Haha!

[Nickdfresh]

I'm far from a big fan of President Trump... but I do question the purpose of the continued focus on his past business and alleged tax issues....

If this were any CEO/CFO from a real company, they'd most likely be asked to resign (or fired for you and me) for the same allegations if proven true...

[Terry]

I'm far from a big fan of President Trump... but I do question the purpose of the continued focus on his past business and alleged tax issues.

His business failings and his accountant's creative tax approaches weren't enough for 16 other Republican candidates to demonstrate they were better for the job... They weren't enough of a decisive factor to prevent Trump from winning the election in 2016. Do you honestly think continuing to mock and raise concerns for this is going to sway the nation into unseating the President..? It's not.

The one thing I see lacking from all of the opposition to the current administration is a better plan, vision and platform. Without those components the opposition will continue to lose. It's not that high of a bar to over-come with the Trump administration... seriously... but the Democrats and Socialists have nothing of value to offer that interests majority of the nation.

One thing Sanders said in 2016 which rang true was along the lines of if the Democratic Party stood with the working class, they'd win every election easily.

Problem is, the Democratic Party hasn't stood with the working class in an effective or meaningful way in decades. They talk the talk come election time, but essentially supported virtually all the regressive tax policies all the way down the line. A bunch of middle of the road, parsing, mealy-mouthed doubletalk when legislation has been passed.

And I agree the Democratic Party has no plan, vision or platform going forward beyond being on the liberal side of social wedge issues. That strategy isn't going to bring working class whites who are struggling economically into the fold.

The investigations into Trump's past tax strategies aren't going to covert any of Trump's supporters into voting against him. Agreed. It's just more echo-chamber reinforcement for those who are already opposed to him.

2020 is still a couple years away. A lot can happen between now and then, to be sure. If the presidential elections were held THIS fall, I wouldn't be willing to wager Trump wouldn't be re-elected. Not as long as you have Schumer and Pelosi dithering about.

The problem with the Democratic Party is that they are more concerned with being right - and having everybody else know they are right - than they are with winning. The Republicans and Trump have so such qualms.

[Seshmeister]

One thing Sanders said in 2016 which rang true was along the lines of if the Democratic Party stood with the working class, they'd win every election easily.

If the working class had enough information and if more of them voted.

I find it very odd when Trump is described as a not part of the 'elite' when he literally walked down a golden staircase in his tower to announce his intention to run and the main (if only) legislation he has got enacted was mainly for the top 0.1% not even the top 1%.

This is mainly an anonymous forum for CVH fans who demographically speaking despite what DLR may spin, are as white as fuck and at this point mainly middle aged. I strongly suspect majority Trump voters at the last election if you could actually add it up if not reflected so much in this forum currently.

My question would be this graph.



My gut tells me that maybe Nitro may be slightly better off from it but he's not the real target of this - it was a blatant money grab for people who really really really don't need it at this point.

Also remember that the outcome of this is massive debt for the US - kind of everything Paul Ryan said he was against.

[FORD]

The corporatist "Democrats" and their allies in the whore media are going out of their way to push the completely bullshit idea that Joe Biden is now the clear frontrunner for 2020, and that Bernie is a distant third.

Yeah right? Which Joe Biden would that be? The one who sponsored the 2005 bankruptcy "reform" bill which kept people eternally indebted to the Delaware credit card predators & student loans? The one who signed one of the PNAC letters? The one who helped the pervert Clarence Thomas get on the Supreme Court? Or the one who already ran for President three times and was out by Iowa all three of those times?? He's the only possible "Democratic" candidate who could lose by a bigger margin than Hillary Clinton.

As bullshit as the previously mentioned polls are, at least they had Elizabeth Warren in the #2 spot. She's definitely more electable than Biden. And as much as I hate to say it, she might be slightly more electable than Bernie, if the election were held today. If the Democratic party is going to run a woman in 2020, she's the only one of the current presumed candidates who is a sure win. Kamala Harris or even worse, Hillary's mini-me Gillibrand ain't got a hope in Hell.

[ZahZoo]

If this were any CEO/CFO from a real company, they'd most likely be asked to resign (or fired for you and me) for the same allegations if proven true...

Good logic but it doesn't apply... We're talking the elected President of the US not the CEO of a corporation.

If this were about a legitimate corporation... Trump wouldn't even had made the short list for a CEO/CFO position in the first place. No corporate board of directors in their right minds would even give Trump an ounce of consideration... That's point I'm making about these concerns. Wasted energy on issues that aren't going to sway anyone away from the current situation.

On the other points raised... I'm still withholding my final assessment on the Trump Tax cuts until we see what the numbers reveal after the tax filings next April. On paper the position that this just supports the upper end, big corporations, Wall Street and raises the deficit seems somewhat logical... but we won't see the real impact until actual tax filings at the new rates are submitted, plus the impact of the economic growth that has been continuing the last year and half. Based on some of the numbers to date... there are indications that tax revenue is rising rapidly and deficits are falling. If that's the case... then what's next to indicate the sky is falling..?

[Nickdfresh]

Good logic but it doesn't apply... We're talking the elected President of the US not the CEO of a corporation.

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Well, if your logic is that CEO's have a higher standard than the POTUS, if pretty fucking bizarre...

You know and I know that if that NYT article came out in 2015-16, Drumpf ain't president...

[private parts]

Good logic but it doesn't apply... We're talking the elected President of the US not the CEO of a corporation.

If this were about a legitimate corporation... Trump wouldn't even had made the short list for a CEO/CFO position in the first place. No corporate board of directors in their right minds would even give Trump an ounce of consideration... That's point I'm making about these concerns. Wasted energy on issues that aren't going to sway anyone away from the current situation.

On the other points raised... I'm still withholding my final assessment on the Trump Tax cuts until we see what the numbers reveal after the tax filings next April. On paper the position that this just supports the upper end, big corporations, Wall Street and raises the deficit seems somewhat logical... but we won't see the real impact until actual tax filings at the new rates are submitted, plus the impact of the economic growth that has been continuing the last year and half. Based on some of the numbers to date... there are indications that tax revenue is rising rapidly and deficits are falling. If that's the case... then what's next to indicate the sky is falling..?

All I know is that I'm loving the extra bump in my paycheck (about $1,900.00 for the year). My current calculations say I'm getting back an extra $1,200.00 in next filing, and my IRA is rocking big time!
Why would I vote against that?

[FORD]

The Republican party talking points usually involve the absurd idea that "the country should be run like a business". Ironically, in the last 18 years, they have used that rationale to support Chimp & Cheney - who were both serial business failures, Mittens Romney, a vulture capitalist who has outsourced millions of jobs to China, and the multiple bankruptcy tax fraud Orange Imbecile in 2016.

If you really believe the country should run like a business, shouldn't you look for a candidate who was actually GOOD at business??

[Nitro Express]

Good logic but it doesn't apply... We're talking the elected President of the US not the CEO of a corporation.

If this were about a legitimate corporation... Trump wouldn't even had made the short list for a CEO/CFO position in the first place. No corporate board of directors in their right minds would even give Trump an ounce of consideration... That's point I'm making about these concerns. Wasted energy on issues that aren't going to sway anyone away from the current situation.

On the other points raised... I'm still withholding my final assessment on the Trump Tax cuts until we see what the numbers reveal after the tax filings next April. On paper the position that this just supports the upper end, big corporations, Wall Street and raises the deficit seems somewhat logical... but we won't see the real impact until actual tax filings at the new rates are submitted, plus the impact of the economic growth that has been continuing the last year and half. Based on some of the numbers to date... there are indications that tax revenue is rising rapidly and deficits are falling. If that's the case... then what's next to indicate the sky is falling..?

Before Trump came into office the US had the highest corporate tax rate in the world. His strategy of dropping the corporate tax rate was to bring money that the corporations had offshore back into the country. Of course when Trump dropped our tax rate China dropped theirs to zero. The problem though is the corporations are just buying their own stock back with the extra money they have and so dropping the rates has just temporarily inflated the equity markets. This all gets complicated and the reality is the problems are so big and complex nobody is going to solve them. We will have another market collapse and the big question is, can we print ourselves out of it this time like we did in 2008? Nobody knows because nobody has manipulated an economy as much as we have. One thing though, if the markets crash for good it will take the rich down with it. The average investor got hit in 2008. It's the rich who got bailed out. When the market crashes again and another bailout doesn't work it means prices on housing and tuition will drop. Jobs will be extremely hard to get but if you have cash you can make some great deals. The big question that the so called financial experts argue on is will the US Dollar hold up. The only thing that gives the US Dollar any value is the US has the illusion of being a stable government. So when you see the politicians argue like they do now they are in the process of undermining all the dollars they have taken from K Street. Intelligent people. Really what we are seeing is a financial and political system in the process of probably failing. No sense in arguing what political party or politician is best because they all suck. At least we have avoided getting into another war so far but if you are expecting some politician to give you a utopia and fix all this shit I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I don't really even pay attention to it anymore.

[Nitro Express]

All I know is that I'm loving the extra bump in my paycheck (about $1,900.00 for the year). My current calculations say I'm getting back an extra $1,200.00 in next filing, and my IRA is rocking big time!
Why would I vote against that?

Yup. What people don't get is this really isn't a Democrat or Republican thing. It's a who's in the middle thing. The extremely rich bankers get bailed out when their financial institutions fail. That's welfare for the rich. The poor get their form of welfare. So both sides have representation in the government. Who doesn't get bailed out are the people in the middle who aren't the financial elite or on welfare. Nobody bails them out and they are too proud and independent to get on welfare. Some of these people come from families who were Democrats and others come from families who where Republican. I find these people really don't like either party anymore because they feel sold out by both. So they gave Trump a shot and managed to put him in office and as long as Trump can give you an extra bump in your paycheck and keep the IRA rocking he's sitting fine. Wasn't it Bill Clinton who said "It's the economy stupid?"

I think you made the most intelligent post here. People vote their own interest. That's the reality of it.