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  • Nickdfresh
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    • Oct 2004
    • 49125

    Trump Fucking Over the Middle Class

    Average Tax Refunds Down 8.4 Percent As Angry Taxpayers Vent On Twitter

    Mary Papenfuss, HuffPost 16 hours ago

    Average tax refunds were down last week 8.4 percent for the first week of the tax season over the same time last year, according to the Internal Revenue Service. Dipping refunds are inflaming a growing army of taxpayers stunned by the consequences of the Trump administration’s tax law — and the effects of the partial government shutdown.

    The average refund check paid out so far has been $1,865, down from $2,035 at the same point in 2018, according to IRS data. Low-income taxpayers often file early to pocket the money as soon as possible. Many taxpayers count on the refunds to make important payments, or spend the money on things like home repairs, a vacation or a car.

    The IRS had estimated it would issue about 2.3 percent fewer refunds this year as a result of the changes in the federal tax law, according to Bloomberg. MSNBC reports that 30 million Americans will owe the IRS money this year — 3 million more than before Trump’s tax law.

    “There are going to be a lot of unhappy people over the next month,” Edward Karl of the American Institute of CPAs told Politico. “Taxpayers want a large refund.” Some 71 percent of taxpayers received refunds last year worth about $3,000 on average, according to Karl.

    Scads of taxpayers are complaining on Twitter that they have always received a refund — but now owe the IRS instead.

    The number of refunds sent out by the IRS was also down — about 24 percent — as the agency struggled to get up to speed after the government shutdown. The agency sent out about 4.67 million tax refunds in the week ending Feb. 1, compared with about 6.17 million in the same period in 2018, according to IRS data.

    This year’s filing season, which began two days after the shutdown ended on Jan. 25, is complicated because it’s the first after the 2017 tax law was enacted. Though President Donald Trump boasted that the new code would be so simplified that people could file their taxes on a postcard, that’s not the case.

    In addition, the changes complicated payroll withholding, so that not enough money was withheld by employers in many cases, meaning that people now owe more taxes. The new law also capped IRS deductions for paid state and local taxes, including real estate taxes, resulting in a nasty surprise for many filers. Several other deductions are no longer allowed.

    The frustrations will likely continue to fuel support for plans to boost taxes on the ultra-wealthy. A poll last month found that nearly 60 percent of registered voters support a plan by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to impose a 70 percent marginal tax rate on the portion of annual income that exceeds $10 million a year.

    Twitter is filling up with complaints from people whose situation has changed radically.
    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 02-09-2019, 06:23 PM.
  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49125

    #2
    No comments, you pussies!!????

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    • twonabomber
      formerly F A T
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Jan 2004
      • 11202

      #3
      Who cares? Refunds are due to overpayment. Set your shit up so you keep more money every week.
      Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49125

        #4
        Originally posted by twonabomber
        Who cares? Refunds are due to overpayment. Set your shit up so you keep more money every week.
        Em, no. You're getting less. I mean, we have billionaires to subsidize!

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32798

          #5
          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
          Em, no. You're getting less. I mean, we have billionaires to subsidize!
          Yeah but the truth is both parties are bought and paid for by billionaires. I love it when Warrant Buffet and Bill Gates say they wish they paid more in tax. Well guys nobody is stopping you from donating your money if you feel guilty. No there is a game that rich fucks like Gates and Buffet and others say they are liberals and support liberal causes but it's all BS. Hard to shake these guys down when most politicians are bought by them. As far as the taxes go it all depends on where you live. If you live where taxes are high and you no longer can deduct them it hurts. In other places you might come out ahead. For me no real change on the taxes.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58755

            #6
            Bill Gates & his dad ( a rich corporate lawyer himself) actually tried to pass a state income tax here in Washington which would have only applied to the rich. Their opposition? Yep... other billionaires. And a lot of that funding wasn't even from billionaires that even lived in this state. They were just afraid the idea might catch on to other states.
            Eat Us And Smile

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            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • Seshmeister
              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

              • Oct 2003
              • 35155

              #7
              Originally posted by Nitro Express
              Yeah but the truth is both parties are bought and paid for by billionaires. I love it when Warrant Buffet and Bill Gates say they wish they paid more in tax. Well guys nobody is stopping you from donating your money if you feel guilty.
              I don't think those 2 are very good examples when they are giving away billions. I don't really understand why all billionaires don't give away most of their money but that's probably a reason I'm not one but if you were going to surely you would rather spend it on eradicating polio and malaria than having a nagging doubt that most of your cash was pissed away on some corporate welfare program for pointless F35s and tanks.

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              • ZahZoo
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Jan 2004
                • 8961

                #8
                Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                No comments, you pussies!!????
                All this whining and crying about refunds... it defies logic and simple common sense!!

                The tax rates decreased... the feds decreased payroll withholding... net result = you paid less taxes overall during all of 2018. Plus you didn't... key point here... over-pay your taxes as much as you were previously so you get a smaller refund. It's all your damn money to begin with.

                What fucking part of the truth do you not understand... you gave less money to the government all year and received it in your pay check..?

                People are complaining that the government took less of their money all year long... refund means you gave the government a tax free loan on average of around $3000 per year previously. Yet people are complaining that they didn't over-pay as much..?
                "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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                • Kristy
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 16338

                  #9
                  That's some sweet Rethuglicon tax rhetoric there, lades and gentlemen

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                  • ZahZoo
                    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 8961

                    #10
                    Rhetoric..?

                    Payroll tax withholding is not a personal savings plan. The federal government is not a bank!! Holy shit, have you paid attention to how Washington spends our money..?

                    A tax refund means you over-paid your taxes... think about that. You worked hard and gave the government more money that you are required by law to give them. The government is not giving you it's money... it's returning YOUR money!!

                    Cry me a fucking river because you didn't over pay your taxes as much...
                    "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49125

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ZahZoo
                      All this whining and crying about refunds... it defies logic and simple common sense!!

                      The tax rates decreased... the feds decreased payroll withholding... net result = you paid less taxes overall during all of 2018. Plus you didn't... key point here... over-pay your taxes as much as you were previously so you get a smaller refund. It's all your damn money to begin with.

                      What fucking part of the truth do you not understand... you gave less money to the government all year and received it in your pay check..?

                      People are complaining that the government took less of their money all year long... refund means you gave the government a tax free loan on average of around $3000 per year previously. Yet people are complaining that they didn't over-pay as much..?
                      What I don't understand, old man, is your ignorance of the slaughter of deductions where many ARE paying higher taxes. As Amazon pays none...

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                      • Nitro Express
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 32798

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ZahZoo
                        All this whining and crying about refunds... it defies logic and simple common sense!!

                        The tax rates decreased... the feds decreased payroll withholding... net result = you paid less taxes overall during all of 2018. Plus you didn't... key point here... over-pay your taxes as much as you were previously so you get a smaller refund. It's all your damn money to begin with.

                        What fucking part of the truth do you not understand... you gave less money to the government all year and received it in your pay check..?

                        People are complaining that the government took less of their money all year long... refund means you gave the government a tax free loan on average of around $3000 per year previously. Yet people are complaining that they didn't over-pay as much..?
                        Well you have to have a job Zahzoo to understand payroll withholding and refunds. Many people on the left never had a job.
                        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32798

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ZahZoo
                          Rhetoric..?

                          Payroll tax withholding is not a personal savings plan. The federal government is not a bank!! Holy shit, have you paid attention to how Washington spends our money..?

                          A tax refund means you over-paid your taxes... think about that. You worked hard and gave the government more money that you are required by law to give them. The government is not giving you it's money... it's returning YOUR money!!

                          Cry me a fucking river because you didn't over pay your taxes as much...
                          People who never earned any money and dream about a Free Stuff utopia pay no attention what Washington does with the tax dollars of people who work for a living. It's all about Free everything Zahzoo. That's the wet dream.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • ZahZoo
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 8961

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            What I don't understand, old man, is your ignorance of the slaughter of deductions where many ARE paying higher taxes. As Amazon pays none...
                            Ignorance eh? There's only one group of people in which deductions have significantly shifted their tax burden. For most of the nation, the standard deduction more than covers anything they could have gotten by itemizing, therefore simplifying their tax submissions and saving them a few hundred dollars in tax preparation fees and paying less in their overall adjusted tax rate than in 2017.

                            Now, for those who are crying the most, like you, are people from high tax states and $10K cap on deducting their outrageous state and local taxes. Where should your angst be directed..? The feds for capping your write-off or the state, county and city that's been taxing your ass so heavily to begin with..?

                            Amazon isn't a middle-class citizen... I don't give a rats ass what they pay in taxes. It's still millions or billions more than you and i combined even with their loopholes and financial engineering.
                            "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49125

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nitro Express
                              Well you have to have a job Zahzoo to understand payroll withholding and refunds. Many people on the left never had a job.
                              Obviously dipshit, we're talking about people who have jobs. Em, "middle class"?

                              How many libertarian and corporate fucktards strive to keep lowering taxes while enjoying all of the massive infrastructure they think is just free....

                              How many welfare collectors in Red states voted for Trump? LOTS!
                              Last edited by Nickdfresh; 02-24-2019, 09:29 AM.

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