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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    So the US Senate Judiciary Committee that had the same access to information the Justice Department had ruled President Trump was innocent and the Department of Justice rules President Trump innocent but the experts here at the David Lee Roth Army School of Law say President Trump is guilty.

    Sound the alarm folks. Get on the hotline and send up the bat signal. Somebody needs to save America!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post

    The Russians were clearly engaged in disrupting the 2016 election. That's on them and no one is disputing the Russian's role and attempts. Mueller's team found not only was there no conspiracy or collusion by Trump and the Trump campaign team, but no other American citizen as well. That's notable... No evidence an American engaged in a conspiracy/crime with the Russians. This was the core of the investigation.
    Like a lot of people you are confusing the 'Barr version' with what the report says -



    Attorney General William Barr's summary of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election didn't find sufficient evidence to charge anyone involved in President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign with conspiracy to influence the election.

    Barr's letter to Congress said Mueller, who has been investigating Russian interference since May of 2017, identified two separate Russian-sponsored attempts to interfere in the election.

    The letter said that neither the "Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from the Russian-affiliated officials to assist the Trump campaign."

    Mueller's probe into Russian election interference and possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia indicted three Russian companies and 34 people, including eight Americans affiliated with the Trump campaign or administration.

    There are now more than 101 known points of contact between the Trump campaign and Russian-government linked people or entities, including 23 meetings or calls.

    Sixteen Trump campaign officials are known to have had direct contact with a Russian government official or a Russian-linked operative, and at least an additional nine campaign officials were aware of these contacts.

    Trump campaign officials had meetings, calls, and digital correspondence with high-level Russian government officials, billionaires linked to Putin, an accused Russian spy, and hackers enlisted by Russian intelligence to meddle in the 2016 elections.

    Here is a timeline of the Trump campaign's known contacts with Russia, compiled with the help of resources from the Moscow Project and the Washington Post.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...18-7?r=US&IR=T
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    Miss Lindsey makes the case for impeachment.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Like a lot of people you are confusing the 'Barr version' with what the report says -



    Attorney General William Barr's summary of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election didn't find sufficient evidence to charge anyone involved in President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign with conspiracy to influence the election.

    Barr's letter to Congress said Mueller, who has been investigating Russian interference since May of 2017, identified two separate Russian-sponsored attempts to interfere in the election.

    The letter said that neither the "Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from the Russian-affiliated officials to assist the Trump campaign."

    Mueller's probe into Russian election interference and possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia indicted three Russian companies and 34 people, including eight Americans affiliated with the Trump campaign or administration.

    There are now more than 101 known points of contact between the Trump campaign and Russian-government linked people or entities, including 23 meetings or calls.

    Sixteen Trump campaign officials are known to have had direct contact with a Russian government official or a Russian-linked operative, and at least an additional nine campaign officials were aware of these contacts.

    Trump campaign officials had meetings, calls, and digital correspondence with high-level Russian government officials, billionaires linked to Putin, an accused Russian spy, and hackers enlisted by Russian intelligence to meddle in the 2016 elections.

    Here is a timeline of the Trump campaign's known contacts with Russia, compiled with the help of resources from the Moscow Project and the Washington Post.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...18-7?r=US&IR=T
    From your WaPo link:


    The report concluded that even though Russia sought to advance its interests by interfering in the 2016 election — which the Trump campaign believed they would benefit from — "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

    What are you not understanding? Is it against the law to speak to a Russian now?

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    5 hours later Russia hacked the DNC.

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    The devil is in the detail in this and a bunch of it is redacted still but for example -

    Take Manafort’s meetings with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian political consultant with a history of connections to the GRU intelligence agency. The FBI believed had links to the Kremlin, a view shared by Manafort’s right-hand man Gates. “Gates suspected that Kilimnik was a ‘spy,’ a view that he shared with Manafort,” Mueller writes.

    Yet despite Gates’s suspicions, Manafort repeatedly met with Kilimnik, worked with him to develop a pro-Russian Ukraine policy that Trump could implement if elected, and regularly shared polling data with him:

    From the report

    On August 2, 2016, Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort met in New York City with his long-time business associate Konstantin Kilimnik, who the FBI assesses to have ties to Russian intelligence. Kilimnik requested the meeting to deliver in person a peace plan for Ukraine that Manafort acknowledged to the Special Counsel’s Office was a “backdoor” way for Russia to control part of eastern Ukraine; both men believed the plan would require candidate Trump’s assent to succeed (were he to be elected President).

    They also discussed the status of the Trump Campaign and Manafort’s strategy for winning Democratic votes in Midwestern states. Months before that meeting, Manafort had caused internal polling data to be shared with Kilimnik, and the sharing continued for some period of time after their August meeting.

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    Mob boss president - his lawyers don't take notes???

    In one Oval Office meeting, Trump challenged his note-taking practices; according to the report, Trump was angry that McGahn had told federal investigators he directed McGahn to have Mueller removed.

    McGahn recounted Trump telling him: “Lawyers don’t take notes. I never had a lawyer who took notes.”

    According to the Mueller report, McGahn said “real lawyers” keep notes, then explained that creating a record was “not a bad thing.”

    The president responded, “I’ve had a lot of great lawyers, like Roy Cohn. He did not take notes.”

    The Post reported Friday that “the fact that some of those notes became primary source material for Mueller to paint a vivid portrait of Trump’s deception and malfeasance angered the president.”

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    Well Trump got his get out of jail card from the US Senate and the Justice Department. The country is still split. Itís still partisan politics. Trump is now the Republican Party. Unlike 2016 where he had to battle the Republicans it seems to be a unified party going into the election.

    Iím sure Nancy Pelosi wants to see the Democrats win big in 2020 but she knows wasting time impeaching Trump wonít result in votes. She wants to get some stuff done that benefits the Democrat base. How Washington works is you negotiate. The problem is the new more radical Democrats want to go for impeachment which of course the Senate wonít confirm.

    I have a wired feeling we might see Hillary run again. Sheís crazy enough to do it. She will still have a big following too. The road to 2020 could be a real circus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I guess we'll have to wait for the 14 other spinoff investigations, won't we Benghazi Express? In anycase, how many convictions did your conspiracy shits produce?
    Yeah. Go ahead and waste time on those. See where it ends up on Election Day in 2020. The Republicans wasted all sorts of time and resources going after Bill Clinton and at election time it bit them on the ass because the voters were angry they pissed up a rope going after Clinton instead of getting anything done that actually benefitted the average voter.

    If you want to beat Trump in 2020 you are going to need the Democrat Party unified and you are going to have to have a candidate that appeals to the more moderate voters and not just the extremists. I would focus on beating Trump at the ballot box instead of wasting time on more investigations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Yeah. Go ahead and waste time on those. See where it ends up on Election Day in 2020. The Republicans wasted all sorts of time and resources going after Bill Clinton and at election time it bit them on the ass because the voters were angry they pissed up a rope going after Clinton instead of getting anything done that actually benefitted the average voter.

    If you want to beat Trump in 2020 you are going to need the Democrat Party unified and you are going to have to have a candidate that appeals to the more moderate voters and not just the extremists. I would focus on beating Trump at the ballot box instead of wasting time on more investigations.
    They're not "wasting time". If you pay attention the way you've always seemed to pay attention to your conspiracy shit, you'd know that it has been stated numerous times by Trump semi-supporters/friends that his real legal threat is from the Southern District of NY. Aggressive prosecutors not constrained to a very limited, narrow mandate Mueller was. They're also quite adept at investigation of white collar crime...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Like a lot of people you are confusing the 'Barr version' with what the report says -



    Attorney General William Barr's summary of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election didn't find sufficient evidence to charge anyone involved in President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign with conspiracy to influence the election.

    Barr's letter to Congress said Mueller, who has been investigating Russian interference since May of 2017, identified two separate Russian-sponsored attempts to interfere in the election.

    The letter said that neither the "Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from the Russian-affiliated officials to assist the Trump campaign."

    Mueller's probe into Russian election interference and possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia indicted three Russian companies and 34 people, including eight Americans affiliated with the Trump campaign or administration.

    There are now more than 101 known points of contact between the Trump campaign and Russian-government linked people or entities, including 23 meetings or calls.

    Sixteen Trump campaign officials are known to have had direct contact with a Russian government official or a Russian-linked operative, and at least an additional nine campaign officials were aware of these contacts.

    Trump campaign officials had meetings, calls, and digital correspondence with high-level Russian government officials, billionaires linked to Putin, an accused Russian spy, and hackers enlisted by Russian intelligence to meddle in the 2016 elections.

    Here is a timeline of the Trump campaign's known contacts with Russia, compiled with the help of resources from the Moscow Project and the Washington Post.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...18-7?r=US&IR=T
    I do have to put most of the basis for my understanding of all this based on the actual published reports from the investigation conducted by the DOJ and the indictments handed down within the actual court system. Can't claim that information is fully based on "the truth"... but it is fully based on reality... of which, most media reports are questionable at best.

    In several of your points though, about Russian linked people meeting/corresponding with Trump campaign people... a key factor is who initiated the contact and what transpired between the parties. In every case I've read about so far... it was the Russians reaching out to the Trump folks and in each case the Russians offering something but the recipients rejected or did not engage further in what was offered.

    This supports my opinion that the Russians were actively working many angles and were guilty of what they've been charged with. But the Trump folks didn't engage on any of these offers and therefore could not be charged with any conspiracy of working with the Russians.

    I liken this to the crap I endure living in the Bible Belt™... any given month, I get Jehovah's Witnesses, Baptists, Pentecostals, etc. showing up at my front door wanting to talk God, religion and such... inviting us to their revivals, worship services and events. We have a polite conversation, I thank them for stopping by and send them on their way. Does that make me guilty of colluding with the Evangelicals..?
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    Failing New York Times printed the "F bomb"??


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    New poll has Trump at a 37% approval rating (down 3 points) as parts of the Mueller Report paint him as a flaccid, impotent old fool whose subordinates ignore his orders so they do not implicate themselves in crimes - ultimately saving Trump from obstruction charges...

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    From 'total exoneration' to 'total bullsh**': Trump lingers on damning report

    By Kevin Liptak and Kaitlan Collins, CNN

    Updated 8:48 AM ET, Sat April 20, 2019

    WASHINGTON, DC - APRIL 02: White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders talks to journalists outside the West Wing of the White House April 02, 2019 in Washington, DC. Following a televised interview with FOX News, Sanders fielded questions about immigration, the Mueller report and other topics. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
    Sanders to Mueller: False comments were a slip of tongue

    Trump on Mueller appointment: I'm f***ed

    Washington (CNN)By the time President Donald Trump had passed through the prime rib buffet at Mar-a-Lago on Thursday to sit for dinner with family and a top aide, the damning picture Robert Mueller's report painted of his presidency had become clear.

    Instead of the "total exoneration" Trump had proclaimed earlier, the report portrayed the President as deceitful and paranoid, encouraging his aides to withhold the truth and cross ethical lines in an attempt to thwart a probe into Russia's interference in US elections -- his "Achilles heel," according to one forthcoming adviser.
    Perhaps more angering to a leader who detests weakness -- but doesn't necessarily mind an amoral reputation -- were the number of underlings shown ignoring his commands, privately scoffing at the "crazy sh**" he was requesting and working around him to avoid self-implication.

    Now, those close to him say Trump is newly furious at the people -- most of whom no longer work for him -- whose extensive interviews with the special counsel's office created the epic depiction of an unscrupulous and chaotic White House. And he's seeking assurances from those who remain that his orders are being treated like those of a president, and not like suggestions from an intemperate but misguided supervisor.
    Undermining, but protective: How Trump's staff's insolence may have saved him
    Undermining, but protective: How Trump's staff's insolence may have saved him
    "Because I never agreed to testify, it was not necessary for me to respond to statements made in the 'Report' about me, some of which are total bullshit & only given to make the other person look good (or me to look bad)," Trump tweeted on Friday morning as he waited out a rainstorm in Florida before proceeding to his golf course for a round with conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh.

    Some current and former officials who accurately predicted that details in the Mueller report would be embarrassing for the White House are now questioning the legal strategy to fully cooperate with the Mueller investigation.
    One official who sat down with the special counsel noted that they did so at the behest of the former White House legal team, John Dowd and Ty Cobb, who provided a wealth of documents and encouraged senior officials to be interviewed. It was because of these interviews with people closest to the President that Mueller and his team were able to get a cinematic look at the deceit and trickery taking place in the West Wing.
    While these people are critical, the full cooperation was a strategy to make it hard for Mueller to push for an interview given all the information he was given. It was a strategy that worked, even if there is some political embarrassment.
    The President was aware ahead of its public release what was contained in the Mueller report. Attorney General Bill Barr told reporters Thursday that both the White House counsel and Trump's personal legal team were given an opportunity to read the redacted version in the previous days.

    Mounting anger

    Undermining, but protective: How Trump's staff's insolence may have saved him

    But Trump grew angry as he watched cable news coverage because, sources familiar with the matter said, a theme was emerging that vexed him: a portrait of a dishonest president who is regularly managed, restrained or ignored by his staff.
    It was a sharp turn away from his earlier statements, which welcomed the report's findings on collusion and falsely claimed total exoneration. Hours before his Mar-a-Lago dinner, Trump insisted to a crowd on the tarmac in Florida the dark days of Mueller's special counsel investigation had ended.

    "Game over, folks," he said over the sounds of a busy airport. "Now, it's back to work."
    It's hard to tell, however, what Trump intends to head back to. Mueller's probe and Trump's constant focus on it have been the backdrop for all but a few months of the presidency, often diminishing whatever policy efforts have been orchestrated by officials or Republican lawmakers. The report depicts a President who for two years has been largely consumed by the Russia investigation, intent on short-circuiting it but repeatedly stymied in his efforts by aides.
    A senior administration official told CNN's Jake Tapper that dynamic was "nothing surprising."
    "That the President makes absurd demands of his staff and administration officials -- who are alarmed by them and reluctant to follow them -- is not only unsurprising but has become the norm," the official said.
    Nevertheless, in the past Trump has resisted the idea that he is being controlled by those around him or that they are responsible for his successes. Sources familiar with how the West Wing operates said attempts to subvert the President's demands have not ceased now that the Mueller investigation is over. There have been instances in recent weeks where aides have slow walked or ignored Trump's directives, hoping he will forget he gave them.

    What is clear is many of those who avoided carrying out Trump's demands related to Mueller's probe -- often, it seemed, in a bid to protect themselves from criminal wrongdoing -- are no longer employed by the White House. Instead, the aides who now surround the President appear less willing to write him off and more likely to encourage him to follow his gut.
    Among those who have moved on: the White House counsel who refused Trump's demand to fire Mueller, the chief of staff and senior adviser who anxiously tried to retrieve a resignation letter from the attorney general, the staff secretary who declined Trump's order to gauge the loyalty of a Justice Department official, the attorney general who refused to un-recuse himself and the communications chief who seemed most expert in Trump's whims.
    Even Steve Bannon, once viewed as the ultimate advocate for following Trump's instincts, is depicted in the report as a constraining force. In one instance, when the President tried to claim Mueller had a conflict of interest because of a membership dispute at a Trump golf club, Bannon wrote it off as "ridiculous and petty." Trump and Bannon parted ways in the summer of 2017 and have not reconciled since.

    Instead, the most prominent aides who do remain are depicted in the report as the most dishonest. Press secretary Sarah Sanders, who was out the office when the report was released, is shown repeatedly misleading the press, a fact she attempted to downplay in morning television interviews on Friday.
    "(Trump) has never asked me to break the law," she said on CBS. "When the President wants to do something and make a decision, he does it. He's not somebody who sit around and ponders. I think you guys have seen that day in and day out. One minute you're running stories saying the staff can't control him and the next minute everyone's saying thank God the staff could control him. You don't get to have it both ways."
    Increasingly untethered

    Among those who Trump dined with in Florida on Thursday was Mick Mulvaney, the chief of staff who still fills the role in an acting capacity but who, according to officials, has done less than either of his two predecessors to restrain Trump in his hardline instincts.

    Indeed, since Mulvaney's tenure began at the start of the year, Trump has overseen the longest government shutdown in US history, a dramatic shakeup at the Department of Homeland Security, a sharp turn toward harsher policies on the border, a decision to ask a court to scrap the entire Affordable Care Act and a confusing dictate on North Korea sanctions that still has advisers scratching their heads.
    People familiar with Mulvaney's style say those outcomes aren't necessarily his doing, but rather the result of a President newly empowered to follow his impulses without the restrictions placed on him by previous aides. Sources say the President has also come to rely on his chief of staff less than he did during the reign of Reince Priebus or John Kelly, when he would often call his top aide nearly a dozen times a day. Mulvaney has told colleagues there are days he barely hears from the President.

    In his report, Mueller describes both of Mulvaney's predecessors -- Priebus and Kelly -- as working in at least some capacity to contain the damage of Trump's behavior. Priebus is shown making an urgent (and vaguely comic) effort to recover a resignation letter from then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions that Trump had kept, believing it would amount to a "shock collar" on the Justice Department because it was not dated and aides feared Trump could employ it at his leisure.
    Kelly told Mueller that when Trump wanted to meet with friends who encouraged his impulses, such as former campaign aide Corey Lewandowski, he tried to push them to the private residence "to create distance from the West Wing."
    Trump soured on Priebus and Kelly long before he summarily terminated each of their tenures. So, too, had Trump grown wary of former White House counsel Don McGahn, who sat for more than 30 hours of testimony with Mueller's team. Trump grew irate again at his former aide late Thursday and into Friday.

    In the report, Trump is described as having several tense encounters with McGahn during his White House tenure, including episodes when McGahn was prepared to resign rather than carry out Trump's demands.
    McGahn described Trump asking him to do "crazy sh**," according to Priebus. Trump, meanwhile, deemed McGahn a "lying bastard" whose habit of taking contemporaneous notes raised suspicion. In an anecdote relayed in the report, Trump and McGahn went back-and-forth over the note-taking, which Trump insisted good lawyers -- such as his onetime counsel Roy Cohn -- never did.

    Trump hadn't backed off that view by Friday morning, when he made clear on Twitter his frustrations at the report.
    "Watch out for people that take so-called 'notes,' when the notes never existed until needed," the President wrote.

    CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
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    McGahn described Trump asking him to do "crazy sh**," according to Priebus. Trump, meanwhile, deemed McGahn a "lying bastard" whose habit of taking contemporaneous notes raised suspicion. In an anecdote relayed in the report, Trump and McGahn went back-and-forth over the note-taking, which Trump insisted good lawyers -- such as his onetime counsel Roy Cohn -- never did.
    Roy Cohn, not only a real nasty piece of shit but literally a mob lawyer. He also worked for Tony Salerno, Carmine Galante, and John Gotti.

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