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The problem with the "people that fought against him" is the same problem we run into with the British painting Rommel and the end-all military genius. It's a very convenient way to mask that your people in command sucked. Grant didn't suck, but he wasn't the highest on the list of geniuses either. Gen. Lee's exploits cannot be accurately gauged because he fought with the home field advantage on 95% of hs battles and lacked decisiveness and clarity in the North and lost his only major battle there, sacrificing some of his best troops as has often been the charge against Gen. Grant...Comment
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SJW Interweb hearsay.
1. Monuments were expensive. In the era just after the war most places could ill afford to build them when they were trying to rebuild their infrastructure and industry.
2. Most of the monuments were built 1900 - 1920s. What coincides with this time? All the Civil War vets were dying.
3. A renewal of patriotism because of the Span Am War, WWI.
So what if Lee didn't want them? He was dead and groups of people wanted statues of him anyway.Comment
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So the positive writings of people who were actually there, both the people that fought against him, and with him, are invalid? If these same people were critical of him, do they not count either? I'm not saying he was some flawless genius, but he was a great general. Good generals will take advantage of an opponent that "sucked". Grant had his issues, yes. His Vicksburg Campaign was a probably his greatest.
Yeah, technically, but the distances for either side in the Eastern Theatre were not that big. Federal forces in the west had much larger distances to contend with and we know how Sherman overcame that. I don't think it's fair to say Lee had a huge advantage fighting in Virginia when the Feds LOC were pretty much the same.
I'd contend that Lee's other northern invasion was pretty bad too. He was beat at Antietam and could have been pushed into the river if McClelland had moved after Sept 17.Comment
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So again, where did the money come from? The Confederate Fairy?
And the reformation of the Old South/Confederacy as "The Lost Cause" with all the nostalgia and romance and none of the murder and torture of slaves...2. Most of the monuments were built 1900 - 1920s. What coincides with this time? All the Civil War vets were dying.
Nothing more patriotic than secession...3. A renewal of patriotism because of the Span Am War, WWI.
Yeah, mainly racists and Confederate apologists as a way of showing how they restored hegemony after defeat and Reconstruction....So what if Lee didn't want them? He was dead and groups of people wanted statues of him anyway.Comment
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Not what I said, what needs to be taken in context. Many military histories written in the timeframe often lack critical eyes and context. I'm saying Lee was a bad general, but he tends to be overrated like a lot of generals in general. Many of his "genius" tactical moves were enabled by the fact that he had a home field advantage and fought a series of shitheads in the Northern command prior to Grant...
Yeah but if you ever lived in Northern virginia you'll see there is a massive difference in culture when you travel more than 50 miles from DC. They were surrounded by hostiles then and Virginians regarded Federals as invaders by-and-large with some notable exceptions...Yeah, technically, but the distances for either side in the Eastern Theatre were not that big. Federal forces in the west had much larger distances to contend with and we know how Sherman overcame that. I don't think it's fair to say Lee had a huge advantage fighting in Virginia when the Feds LOC were pretty much the same.
I'd contend that Lee's other northern invasion was pretty bad too. He was beat at Antietam and could have been pushed into the river if McClelland had moved after Sept 17.Comment
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It used to be that way. Alexandria was pretty much like DC but by the time you went a little further south to Fredricksburg you were in the south. Now so many outsiders have moved into northern Virginia for the jobs the southern influence has been diluted. Same thing with Texas. So many outsiders have moved in for the jobs the Texas accent is disappearing. Houston is just another big city and you can go to Galveston on a weekend and hear very few southern drawls. The northerners are moving to the southern cities because that's where the jobs are.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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The south had it's problems but Lincoln pushed it to war. He was a tyrant of a president. It all boils down to bravado. Lincoln thought he could flex his muscle and bring a quick end to the south's will to succeed and the south thought they would whip them yankee invaders asses and send them running back north. People thought the war would last a few weeks and then people would come to their senses. Nobody did. The end result was over 600,000 dead Americans and bad blood that exists to this day. That's war for ya. It all depends where you live. If you lived in the south and had Sherman's army burn everything and your sister got raped by union troops and your brother got killed fighting them, you wouldn't like yankees either and that anger just gets passed down the generations and takes a long time to go away.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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Most people don't give a damn about politics but if you piss in their Cheerios they get pissed and don't like you.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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