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    Cheeto Doubles Down on calling Nazis "very fine people" and praises a fellow traitor

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    Trump defends ‘a great general’ who fought against the U.S.: Robert E. Lee
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    President Trump on Friday defended saying there were “very fine people on both sides” of the deadly clashes in Charlottesville, Va., between white nationalists and counterprotesters in 2017.

    The president spoke outside the White House a day after former Vice President Joe Biden launched his presidential bid with a video condemning Trump for the controversial remarks.

    “I was talking about people that felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general whether you like it or not,” Trump told reporters on the South Lawn before departing for the National Rifle Association’s annual convention.

    The president claimed he had spoken to active duty generals who told him Lee, a U.S. Army officer who defected to the Confederate side and led the Army of Northern Virginia, was their “favorite general.”

    “People were there protesting the taking down of the monument of Robert E. Lee,” Trump added. “Everybody knows that.”

    The weekend of “Unite The Right” protests in Charlottesville in August 2017 were organized by a group of white supremacists.

    Though nominally about the preservation of a statue honoring Lee, the underlying objective of Unite the Right was to bring various factions of the largely internet-based alt-right movement together in real life. The rallies began with neo-Nazis marching through the University of Virginia campus carrying tiki torches and chanting “Jews will not replace us!”

    Heather Heyer, 23, was killed when a car driven by a neo-Nazi plowed into a group of counterprotesters. Two state police officers were also killed when their helicopter crashed while monitoring the clashes.

    Trump’s response blaming “both sides” for the violence, which was widely criticized, was the centerpiece of Biden’s campaign launch video.

    “He said there were ‘some very fine people on both sides.’ Very fine people on both sides,” Biden said in the video posted to YouTube Thursday. “With those words, the president of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it. And in that moment, I knew the threat to this nation was unlike any I had ever seen in my lifetime.”

    At the time, Biden said, the events in Charlottesville convinced him we were in a “battle for the soul of this nation.” He predicted “history will look back on four years of this president and all he embraces as an aberrant moment in time.”
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    Hey Cheeto, here's a clue.... it's probably not a good idea to call a TRAITOR who was responsible for the deaths of a half million or so Americans as "a great general".

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post


    Hey Cheeto, here's a clue.... it's probably not a good idea to call a TRAITOR who was responsible for the deaths of a half million or so Americans as "a great general".


    Most people don't give a shit FORD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    LMFAO. Something to celebrate, free-candy-van fucktard...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Hey Cheeto, here's a clue.... it's probably not a good idea to call a TRAITOR who was responsible for the deaths of a half million or so Americans as "a great general".
    Lee caused the deaths of 1/2 a million people?
    Many people, including the actual people that fought against him, have said Lee was a great general. If you knew anything about military history you'd know that.

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    He was a traitor against the United States of America, leading a fucked up army of white supremacist slave owners. Was Benedict Arnold a "great general" too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    He was a traitor against the United States of America, leading a fucked up army of white supremacist slave owners. Was Benedict Arnold a "great general" too?
    Then why didn't the government jail, try, and hang him and many of his officers and men?

    The men who fought and lost friends and family members fighting Lee's forces would surely have more reason to think Lee deserved this punishment than any modern day clueless SJW.

    Actually Arnold was a great general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    Lee caused the deaths of 1/2 a million people?
    Many people, including the actual people that fought against him, have said Lee was a great general. If you knew anything about military history you'd know that.
    Adolf Hitler was a great political organiser but that's not how you would define him in a sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    Then why didn't the government jail, try, and hang him and many of his officers and men?
    The new Trump morality. If someone isn't prosecuted then their actions are fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Adolf Hitler was a great political organiser but that's not how you would define him in a sentence.
    Lee wasn't a politician or office holder in the Confederacy nor did he engage in a political movement to break from the U.S.. He was in the military. Your Hitler comparison is asinine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    The new Trump morality. If someone isn't prosecuted then their actions are fine.
    They weren't formally accused of a crime, tried, or convicted. The new SJW morality is guilty "if we say so".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    Lee wasn't a politician or office holder in the Confederacy nor did he engage in a political movement to break from the U.S.. He was in the military. Your Hitler comparison is asinine.
    Yeah, Rommel would be a better comparison than Hitler himself, in this case. Should we have statues for him in this country too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    Lee caused the deaths of 1/2 a million people?
    That's actually the "low ball" number. Some estimates have actually put the final death toll as high as 750,000. All for one of the dumbest fucking reasons to ever start a war. (racist greed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Yeah, Rommel would be a better comparison than Hitler himself, in this case. Should we have statues for him in this country too?
    Not a good comparison. Rommel was fighting as part of an expansionist war in Africa. His chivalrous conduct earned him a grudging respect in the British army (sorry, I mean white supremacists). He became disillusioned with the war and Hitler and was part of a group that tried to assassinate him.

    Lee was a West Point grad, was decorated for his service in the Mexican American War and was an officer in the U.S. Army for 32 years. He turned down an offer to command U.S. forces because of his loyalty to his home state of Virginia during a time when loyalty to state was often viewed as more honorable and important than loyalty to the Union. This was a time when people spoke in terms of "The United States ARE" (not IS).

    When viewed through the myopic, small minded eyes of 21st century social justice warriors it makes sense that they'd view Lee as a monster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    That's actually the "low ball" number. Some estimates have actually put the final death toll as high as 750,000. All for one of the dumbest fucking reasons to ever start a war. (racist greed)
    Lee was responsible for this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    Lee was a West Point grad, was decorated for his service in the Mexican American War and was an officer in the U.S. Army for 32 years. He turned down an offer to command U.S. forces because of his loyalty to his home state of Virginia during a time when loyalty to state was often viewed as more honorable and important than loyalty to the Union. This was a time when people spoke in terms of "The United States ARE" (not IS).
    It was always the position of the United States Government that Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and the other Confederate leaders had committed treason, as defined in Article III of the Constitution. On June 7, 1865, Robert E. Lee was indicted for treason by a federal grand jury in Norfolk, Virginia. He faced death by hanging if convicted but for complicated reasons of reconciliation between the sides he was never convicted. He had 200 slaves and by contemporary accounts treated them worse than your average slave owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    Lee caused the deaths of 1/2 a million people?
    Many people, including the actual people that fought against him, have said Lee was a great general. If you knew anything about military history you'd know that.
    Well you don't either. You just suck off every propaganda piece you can. In fact Lee sort of sucked - he benefitted from bad Union military leadership and because he had a massive HUMIT intelligence advantage when the Federal forces were fighting 'away' in the South. I guess you can say he was smart enough to know what he could get away with, true. But when all things were equal and he had to fight in the North, he had his ass kicked at Gettysburg by Meade or whothefuckever...

    Not really that impressive...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    Then why didn't the government jail, try, and hang him and many of his officers and men?

    ....
    Out of reconciliation. They did build a massive graveyard on his land in his backyard. You've heard of Arlington National Cemetery? So he could see all the people he helped kill...

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    BTW, the Confederate Monuments were built in the 1900-1940 with donations led in no small part by the KKK, mainly to terrorize black people and instill the myth of the "Lost Cause"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Yeah, Rommel would be a better comparison than Hitler himself, in this case. Should we have statues for him in this country too?
    Actually, yes. A perfect comparison. An overrated general that ignored logistics and whose name was made fighting military dunderheads...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    Not a good comparison. Rommel was fighting as part of an expansionist war in Africa. His chivalrous conduct earned him a grudging respect in the British army (sorry, I mean white supremacists). He became disillusioned with the war and Hitler and was part of a group that tried to assassinate him.
    An oversimplification. Rommel was not openly part of the German resistance and would lick Hitler's balls if asked. He was only minimally involved in the "Plot" to the extent he might go along if successful. His "chivalrous conduct" was the result of him fighting the British in an alien/neutral theater. His troops in France committed war crimes. but yeah, a great comparison as he was an overrated general fighting subpar enemy leadership until he wasn't...

    Lee was a West Point grad, was decorated for his service in the Mexican American War and was an officer in the U.S. Army for 32 years.
    Well for fuck they all were West Point grads.

    He turned down an offer to command U.S. forces because of his loyalty to his home state of Virginia during a time when loyalty to state was often viewed as more honorable and important than loyalty to the Union. This was a time when people spoke in terms of "The United States ARE" (not IS).
    And he had slaves and was a racist...

    When viewed through the myopic, small minded eyes of 21st century social justice warriors it makes sense that they'd view Lee as a monster.
    No, he was a bit of a cunt in his own day - but they all were...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post

    And he had slaves and was a racist...
    I'm sure most white people in those days were racist in the same way most of us maybe had a grandparent who would say stuff which we would cringe at now.

    Lincoln said a lot of racist stuff, but I think it's all about degrees and comparing people to their contemporaries and by those standards Lee still does not come out well. Lee literally did the full on 12 Years a Slave stuff, whipping his slaves and rubbing brine water into their wounds.

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    Lee also, to his credit, said he didn't want fucking monuments built to him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    The new Trump morality. If someone isn't prosecuted then their actions are fine.
    Shit. People don't care about morality. Haha! If they did all the politicians would be kicked out of office. People vote their pocketbook. They want people in office who serve their own selfish interests. Since we all get our money different ways that's where the political conflict stems from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Lee also, to his credit, said he didn't want fucking monuments built to him...


    So much for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    It was always the position of the United States Government that Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and the other Confederate leaders had committed treason, as defined in Article III of the Constitution. On June 7, 1865, Robert E. Lee was indicted for treason by a federal grand jury in Norfolk, Virginia. He faced death by hanging if convicted but for complicated reasons of reconciliation between the sides he was never convicted. He had 200 slaves and by contemporary accounts treated them worse than your average slave owner.
    I'm not here to defend Lee. I've never bee a fan of him or the Confederacy.

    Doesn't mean Lee wasn't a great General.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Well you don't either. You just suck off every propaganda piece you can. In fact Lee sort of sucked - he benefitted from bad Union military leadership and because he had a massive HUMIT intelligence advantage when the Federal forces were fighting 'away' in the South. I guess you can say he was smart enough to know what he could get away with, true. But when all things were equal and he had to fight in the North, he had his ass kicked at Gettysburg by Meade or whothefuckever...

    Not really that impressive...
    Read the official records. I defer to the people that fought against him. Both sides had good and bad officers and Lee certainly made huge blunders. Same goes for Grant. In the Western Theatre he had some masterpieces but in the east some real fuck ups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Out of reconciliation.
    Exactly.

    [QUOTE=They did build a massive graveyard on his land in his backyard. You've heard of Arlington National Cemetery? So he could see all the people he helped kill...[/QUOTE]
    Yes, pretty sure I knew this already. I'm not a fan of Lee but I'm reasonable to acknowledge that he was a great General.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Lee also, to his credit, said he didn't want fucking monuments built to him...
    Irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post

    Doesn't mean Lee wasn't a great General.
    Hitler was very kind to his pet dogs by all accounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Hitler was very kind to his pet dogs by all accounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Hitler was very kind to his pet dogs by all accounts.
    Hitler was a vegetarian, ergo, vegetarians are Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    Hitler was a vegetarian, ergo, vegetarians are Nazis.
    I think his point sailed right over your head. But yes, Straight Edge Vegetarians are Nazis...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    Irrelevant.
    How is it irrelevant that the KKK largely built monuments that the monumentees didn't want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    Read the official records. I defer to the people that fought against him. Both sides had good and bad officers and Lee certainly made huge blunders. Same goes for Grant. In the Western Theatre he had some masterpieces but in the east some real fuck ups.
    The problem with the "people that fought against him" is the same problem we run into with the British painting Rommel and the end-all military genius. It's a very convenient way to mask that your people in command sucked. Grant didn't suck, but he wasn't the highest on the list of geniuses either. Gen. Lee's exploits cannot be accurately gauged because he fought with the home field advantage on 95% of hs battles and lacked decisiveness and clarity in the North and lost his only major battle there, sacrificing some of his best troops as has often been the charge against Gen. Grant...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I think his point sailed right over your head. But yes, Straight Edge Vegetarians are Nazis...
    No I understood, dogs & slaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    How is it irrelevant that the KKK largely built monuments that the monumentees didn't want?
    SJW Interweb hearsay.

    1. Monuments were expensive. In the era just after the war most places could ill afford to build them when they were trying to rebuild their infrastructure and industry.
    2. Most of the monuments were built 1900 - 1920s. What coincides with this time? All the Civil War vets were dying.
    3. A renewal of patriotism because of the Span Am War, WWI.

    So what if Lee didn't want them? He was dead and groups of people wanted statues of him anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    The problem with the "people that fought against him" is the same problem we run into with the British painting Rommel and the end-all military genius. It's a very convenient way to mask that your people in command sucked. Grant didn't suck, but he wasn't the highest on the list of geniuses either.
    So the positive writings of people who were actually there, both the people that fought against him, and with him, are invalid? If these same people were critical of him, do they not count either? I'm not saying he was some flawless genius, but he was a great general. Good generals will take advantage of an opponent that "sucked". Grant had his issues, yes. His Vicksburg Campaign was a probably his greatest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Gen. Lee's exploits cannot be accurately gauged because he fought with the home field advantage on 95% of hs battles and lacked decisiveness and clarity in the North and lost his only major battle there, sacrificing some of his best troops as has often been the charge against Gen. Grant...
    Yeah, technically, but the distances for either side in the Eastern Theatre were not that big. Federal forces in the west had much larger distances to contend with and we know how Sherman overcame that. I don't think it's fair to say Lee had a huge advantage fighting in Virginia when the Feds LOC were pretty much the same.
    I'd contend that Lee's other northern invasion was pretty bad too. He was beat at Antietam and could have been pushed into the river if McClelland had moved after Sept 17.

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