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    The Biggest Loser: Trump Loses His Ass

    Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures
    Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses


    Newly obtained tax information reveals that from 1985 to 1994, Donald J. Trump’s businesses were in far bleaker condition than was previously known.

    By RUSS BUETTNER and SUSANNE CRAIG
    May 7, 2019

    By the time his master-of-the-universe memoir “Trump: The Art of the Deal” hit bookstores in 1987, Donald J. Trump was already in deep financial distress, losing tens of millions of dollars on troubled business deals, according to previously unrevealed figures from his federal income tax returns.

    Mr. Trump was propelled to the presidency, in part, by a self-spun narrative of business success and of setbacks triumphantly overcome. He has attributed his first run of reversals and bankruptcies to the recession that took hold in 1990. But 10 years of tax information obtained by The New York Times paints a different, and far bleaker, picture of his deal-making abilities and financial condition.

    The data — printouts from Mr. Trump’s official Internal Revenue Service tax transcripts, with the figures from his federal tax form, the 1040, for the years 1985 to 1994 — represents the fullest and most detailed look to date at the president’s taxes, information he has kept from public view. Though the information does not cover the tax years at the center of an escalating battle between the Trump administration and Congress, it traces the most tumultuous chapter in a long business career — an era of fevered acquisition and spectacular collapse.

    The numbers show that in 1985, Mr. Trump reported losses of $46.1 million from his core businesses — largely casinos, hotels and retail space in apartment buildings. They continued to lose money every year, totaling $1.17 billion in losses for the decade.

    In fact, year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer, The Times found when it compared his results with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners. His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.

    Over all, Mr. Trump lost so much money that he was able to avoid paying income taxes for eight of the 10 years. It is not known whether the I.R.S. later required changes after audits.

    Since the 2016 presidential campaign, journalists at The Times and elsewhere have been trying to piece together Mr. Trump’s complex and concealed finances. While The Times did not obtain the president’s actual tax returns, it received the information contained in the returns from someone who had legal access to it. The Times was then able to find matching results in the I.R.S. information on top earners — a publicly available database that each year comprises a one-third sampling of those taxpayers, with identifying details removed. It also confirmed significant findings using other public documents, along with confidential Trump family tax and financial records from the newspaper’s 2018 investigation into the origin of the president’s wealth.

    Several weeks ago, a senior official issued a statement saying: “The president got massive depreciation and tax shelter because of large-scale construction and subsidized developments. That is why the president has always scoffed at the tax system and said you need to change the tax laws. You can make a large income and not have to pay large amount of taxes.”

    On Saturday, after further inquiries from The Times, a lawyer for the president, Charles J. Harder, wrote that the tax information was “demonstrably false,” and that the paper’s statements “about the president’s tax returns and business from 30 years ago are highly inaccurate.” He cited no specific errors, but on Tuesday added that “I.R.S. transcripts, particularly before the days of electronic filing, are notoriously inaccurate” and “would not be able to provide a reasonable picture of any taxpayer’s return.”

    Mark J. Mazur, a former director of research, analysis and statistics at the I.R.S., said that, far from being considered unreliable, data used to create such transcripts had undergone quality control for decades and had been used to analyze economic trends and set national policy. In addition, I.R.S. auditors often refer to the transcripts as “handy” summaries of tax returns, said Mr. Mazur, now director of the nonpartisan Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center in Washington.

    In fact, the source of The Times’s newly obtained information was able to provide several years of unpublished tax figures from the president’s father, the builder Fred C. Trump. They matched up precisely with Fred Trump’s actual returns, which had been obtained by The Times in the earlier investigation.

    Mr. Trump built a business licensing his name, became a television celebrity and ran for the White House by branding himself a self-made billionaire. “There is no one my age who has accomplished more,” he told Newsweek in 1987, adding that the ultimate scoreboard was “the unfortunate, obvious one: money.” Yet over the years, the actual extent of his wealth has been the subject of much doubt and debate. He broke with four decades of precedent in refusing to release any of his tax returns as a presidential candidate, and until now only a few pages of his returns have become public. Last year’s Times investigation found that he had received at least $413 million in 2018 dollars from his father.

    The new tax information does not answer questions raised by House Democrats in their pursuit of the last six years of Mr. Trump’s tax returns — about his recent business dealings and possible foreign sources of financing and influence. Nor does it offer a fundamentally new narrative of his picaresque career.

    But in the granular detail of tax results, it gives a precise accounting of the president’s financial failures and of the constantly shifting focus that would characterize his decades in business. In contrast to his father’s stable and profitable empire of rental apartments in Brooklyn and Queens, Mr. Trump’s primary sources of income changed year after year, from big stock earnings, to a single year of more than $67.1 million in salary, to a mysterious $52.9 million windfall in interest income. But always, those gains were overwhelmed by losses on his casinos and other projects.

    The new information also suggests that Mr. Trump’s 1990 collapse might have struck several years earlier if not for his brief side career posing as a corporate raider. From 1986 through 1988, while his core businesses languished under increasingly unsupportable debt, Mr. Trump made millions of dollars in the stock market by suggesting that he was about to take over companies. But the figures show that he lost most, if not all, of those gains after investors stopped taking his takeover talk seriously.

    In Washington, the struggle over access to Mr. Trump’s tax returns and other financial information has sharpened in recent days, amid partisan warfare over the findings in the Mueller report. On Monday, the Treasury secretary, Steven Mnuchin, said he would not deliver the tax returns to the Ways and Means Committee. And after vowing that “we’re fighting all the subpoenas” from House Democrats, the president has filed lawsuits against his banks and accounting firm to prevent them from turning over tax returns and other financial records.

    In New York, the attorney general’s office is investigating the financing of several major Trump Organization projects; Deutsche Bank has already begun turning over documents. The state attorney general is also examining issues raised last year by The Times’s investigation, which revealed that much of the money Mr. Trump had received from his father came from his participation in dubious tax schemes, including instances of outright fraud.

    The first of the two previous glimpses of the president’s tax returns came from his 1995 filings, pages of which were anonymously mailed to The Times in 2016. They showed that Mr. Trump had declared losses of $915.7 million, giving him a tax deduction so substantial that it could have allowed him to legally avoid paying federal income taxes on hundreds of millions of dollars of income for almost two decades. Several months later, the journalist David Cay Johnston was mailed pages of Mr. Trump’s 2005 returns, which showed that by then he had significant sources of income and was paying taxes.
    The Art of Losing Money
    Mr. Trump spent $365 million in 1989 to buy a shuttle operation from Eastern Airlines. It never turned a profit. Don Hogan Charles/The New York Times

    The year was 1985, and Mr. Trump appeared to be on top of the world.

    He was still riding high from the completion of his first few projects — the Grand Hyatt Hotel, Trump Tower and another Manhattan apartment building, and one Atlantic City casino. He also owned the New Jersey Generals of the United States Football League.

    As the year played out, he borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars to fuel a wave of purchases, acquiring a second casino ($351.8 million), a Manhattan hotel ($80 million), the Mar-a-Lago property in Florida ($10 million), a New York hospital he intended to replace with an apartment building ($60 million) and an undeveloped expanse of railroad yards on the West Side of Manhattan ($85 million), where he planned to construct an entire neighborhood, including a 150-story tower envisioned as the world’s tallest.

    For the first time, Forbes’s ranking of the wealthiest Americans listed Mr. Trump individually, independent of his father — with an estimated net worth of $600 million that included the real estate empire Fred Trump still owned.

    “What I have done is build the most beautiful buildings in the best locations,” Donald Trump told the magazine.

    But what the newly revealed tax information makes clear is that, with his vast debt and other expenses on those properties, Mr. Trump’s fortunes were already on the way down.

    His yearly carrying costs on the rail yards would rise to $18.7 million. He would not be able to convert Mar-a-Lago into a moneymaking club for another decade. The apartments on the hospital site would not be ready for sale, as Trump Palace, until 1990, and another residential project would be stalled for years. The football league would soon fold.

    Because his businesses were generally created as partnerships, the companies themselves did not pay federal income taxes. Instead their results wound up on Mr. Trump’s personal ledger.

    Beyond the $46.1 million loss that his core businesses logged in 1985, Mr. Trump’s tax information shows that he carried over $5.6 million in losses from prior years. The I.R.S. data on one-third of high-income tax returns that year lists only three taxpayers with greater losses.

    In his letter, Mr. Harder, the president’s lawyer, took issue with comparing the tax returns of “a real estate developer to the returns of all taxpayers.” But most of the high-income taxpayers appeared, like Mr. Trump, to be business owners who received what is known as pass-through income. (That data does not include businesses, like most large corporations, that pay their taxes directly.)

    The next years were a time of continued empire building. The information also documents, year by year, a time of gathering loss. Here is how it added up.

    In 1986, he bought out his partners in Trump Tower and the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino. He bought an apartment building in West Palm Beach for $43 million. His business losses for the year: $68.7 million.
    A Deal Maker in Financial Distress

    Every year from 1985 through 1994, Donald J. Trump reported a negative adjusted gross income on his tax returns. That number grew as new losses were combined with those from prior years. The New York Times previously found that Mr. Trump declared an adjusted gross income in 1995 of negative $915.7 million.

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    About two weeks before the stock market crash of Oct. 19, 1987, he spent $29 million on a 282-foot yacht. Months later he bought the Plaza Hotel for $407 million. He recorded $42.2 million in core business losses for 1987, and $30.4 million for 1988.

    In 1989, he bought a shuttle operation from Eastern Airlines for $365 million. It never made a profit, and Mr. Trump would soon pump in more than $7 million a month of his dwindling cash to keep it airborne, New Jersey casino regulators, who closely monitored his finances in those years, found.

    Mr. Trump’s business losses that year soared to $181.7 million.

    Then came the Trump Taj Mahal Hotel and Casino, which opened in April 1990 saddled with more than $800 million in debt, most at very high interest rates. It did not generate enough revenue to cover that debt, and sucked revenue from his other casinos, Trump’s Castle and Trump Plaza, pulling them deep into the red.

    As a result, 1990 and 1991 represented the worst years of the period reviewed by The Times, with combined losses of $517.6 million. And over the next three years, as Mr. Trump turned over properties to his lenders to stave off bankruptcy, his core businesses lost an additional $286.9 million.

    The 10-year total: $1.17 billion in losses.

    Mr. Trump was able to lose all that money without facing the usual consequences — such as a steep drop in his standard of living — in part because most of it belonged to others, to the banks and bond investors who had supplied the cash to fuel his acquisitions. And as The Times’s earlier investigation showed, Mr. Trump secretly leaned on his father’s wealth to continue living like a winner and to stage a comeback.

    This is not to say that Mr. Trump never made money on a deal. One that turned out quite well came in 1985, when he bought the Hotel St. Moritz in Manhattan for $73.7 million. Mr. Trump has said he sold it for $180 million in 1989. His tax information showed long-term capital gains of $99.8 million, accounting for the vast majority of such gains in the 10 years reviewed by The Times.

    But that rich payday was overwhelmed by his business losses, and Mr. Trump still paid no federal income taxes that year.

    Some fraction of that ocean of red ink represented depreciation on Mr. Trump’s real estate. One of the most valuable special benefits in the tax code, depreciation lets owners of commercial real estate write down the cost of their buildings.

    “I love depreciation,” Mr. Trump said during a presidential debate in 2016.

    In “The Art of the Deal,” Mr. Trump points to one of his Atlantic City casinos to illustrate the magic of depreciation. If the casino’s cost was $400 million, he says, he would be able to depreciate it at a rate of 4 percent a year, allowing him to shelter $16 million in taxable income annually.

    But while this example is intended to show the benefits of depreciation, it also demonstrates that depreciation cannot account for the hundreds of millions of dollars in losses Mr. Trump declared on his taxes.

    The tax code also lets business owners like Mr. Trump use losses to avoid paying tax on future income — a lucrative deduction intended to help troubled businesses get back on their feet. Mr. Trump’s losses over the years rolled into the $915.7 million free pass from income taxes — known as net operating loss — that appeared on his 1995 returns.

    The newly revealed tax information sheds light on how those net operating losses snowballed. By 1991, they had grown to nearly $418 million, accounting for fully 1 percent of all the losses that the I.R.S. reported had been declared by individual taxpayers that year. And the red ink continued to accumulate apace.

    Because Mr. Trump reported a negative adjusted gross income in each of the 10 years, he was not allowed to deduct any charitable contributions. So while he has boasted of making large donations at the time, the information obtained by The Times shows no such itemized deductions. Potential deductions could have been carried over to a future year, should Mr. Trump have reported a positive income.
    A Vulture’s Appetite
    Mr. Trump at his home in Greenwich, Conn., in 1987. “There is no one my age who has accomplished more,” he told Newsweek that year. Joe McNally/Getty Images

    As losses from his core enterprises mounted, Mr. Trump took on a new public role, trading on his business-titan brand to present himself as a corporate raider. He would acquire shares in a company with borrowed money, suggest publicly that he was contemplating buying enough to become a majority owner, then quietly sell on the resulting rise in the stock price.

    The tactic worked for a brief period — earning Mr. Trump millions of dollars in gains — until investors realized that he would not follow through. That much has been known for years. But the tax information obtained by The Times shows that he ultimately lost the bulk of the gains from his four-year trading spree.

    The figures do not include an itemization of individual trades. But The Times was able to align the reported total gains with details on trades publicly documented by casino regulators at the time.

    As with many things Trump, his adventures in the stock market were more image than substance, helped greatly by news reports quoting anonymous sources said to have knowledge of Mr. Trump’s actions. An occasional quote from an associate — including his stockbroker, Alan C. Greenberg — helped burnish the myth.

    “He has an appetite like a Rocky Mountain vulture,” Mr. Greenberg, the legendary chairman of Bear Stearns, told The Wall Street Journal in 1987. “He’d like to own the world.”

    In his actions, Mr. Trump was more like a peacock.

    An early and profitable gambit came in February 1987, when Mr. Trump started buying stock in the company that owned United Airlines. That April, The Times reported that Mr. Trump was “believed to own 4.9 percent” of United and was “believed to have paid” about $50 a share.

    Trump takeover speculation set off a rally in the stock. At the end of the month, Mr. Trump quietly sold nearly all his shares. The next day, The Journal reported that Mr. Trump’s gamble appeared to have netted him $55 million.

    It was a gross exaggeration. New Jersey gaming regulators later determined that he had purchased only 2.3 percent of the company and gained $11 million, before interest and commissions.

    The same tactic continued to work through 1988. Mr. Trump made a total of $57 million by briefly presenting himself as a takeover threat to, among others, Hilton Hotels, the Gillette razor company and Federated Department Stores, casino regulators found.

    In all, from 1986 through 1989, Mr. Trump declared $67.3 million in gains from stocks and other assets bought and sold within one year.

    By 1989, investors were less fooled by his moves. That September, he bought a large stake in American Airlines and announced a takeover bid.

    “I’m very skeptical of everything this man does,” Andrew Geller, then an airline analyst at Provident National Bank in Philadelphia, told The Associated Press.

    Mr. Trump was rebuffed, and the stock price fell sharply. Though at the time his losses were reported to be modest, the new tax return figures show that in 1990, the year he sold his American Airlines stake, Mr. Trump lost $34.9 million on short-term trades, wiping out half his gains from the previous four years.

    He appears to have held only one other significant chunk of stock by decade’s close: a 27 percent stake in the Alexander’s department store company.

    Mr. Trump had bought those shares for $67.9 million and held on, hoping to gain control of the company’s real estate with a partner. After climbing on the possibility of a takeover, the stock price slid.

    Mr. Trump ultimately agreed to turn over that stock and most of his other assets — including the yacht, the Trump Shuttle and his stake in the Grand Hyatt — to his lenders. On the day in 1992 when he gave up the stock, it was trading at about $9 a share — which would represent a loss of $55.5 million.

    And with that, Mr. Trump’s days as a market mover were over.
    One Huge Payday
    Mr. Trump in 1990 at his Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, which opened that year with over $800 million in debt. Ángel Franco/The New York Times

    As would be expected for a business owner, the line on Mr. Trump’s tax returns showing regular wages and salary does not represent the bulk of his income. But one year stands out: 1988, when he recorded $67.1 million in salary — 90 percent of his total regular wages for the 10 years.

    The figure appears to include a payment he received as part of a deal to buy the unfinished Taj Mahal casino from Merv Griffin, the talk show host turned businessman. Mr. Griffin’s company had agreed to pay Mr. Trump to manage construction of the casino, among other services, and the resolution of a bitter dispute between the two included Mr. Griffin’s company paying Mr. Trump $63 million to buy out that contract.

    That windfall contributed to Mr. Trump’s making his biggest income tax payment of the 10 years reviewed by The Times. Even so, his overwhelming business losses meant that he paid only $1.4 million in alternative minimum tax that year.

    The only other income tax he was required to pay in those years was $124,344 in 1987, also under the alternative minimum tax, which was created to make sure wealthy people could not avoid all income tax through loopholes and deductions.

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    There will be a lot of people in the media big and small will make a huge deal about this for a couple of weeks but the truth is that 99% of voters will switch off or never read the 3 sentences about this story because they can't or won't or don't want to try and understand big numbers or big business.
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    Trump’s strategy was always borrow enough from the banks to where you become a partner. Nothing new. Now the Trump organization just franchises the Trump name out. Other people own the buildings.

    Anyways people who understand business, understand the game Trump plays. Being highly leveraged is a common game in real estate development. Well. Prime NYC real estate is going down in value and we are in a huge real estate bubble so my prediction. Huge debt deleveraging and if you don’t like Trump, he will get burned bad. Of course the banks he’s borrowed from will be running to the US Government for another bailout. That being said, the US Government is close to defaulting on it’s debt interest payments. That’s why China and Russia are in collusion in trying to make the next world reserve currency by backing it with China and Russia’s huge gold reserves and Russia’s vast natural resources. But then in the currency game people chose the US Dollar because the US had a stable government and tended to be a little more trustworthy than most countries. Those days have changed so it should be interesting.

    As far as the election goes Trump probably will get a second term. So it will be four more years of hearing more Trump hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Trump’s strategy was always borrow enough from the banks to where you become a partner. Nothing new. Now the Trump organization just franchises the Trump name out. Other people own the buildings.

    Anyways people who understand business, understand the game Trump plays....
    Do you think he does? Real, self-made business people are laughing at Trump. Jeff Benzos, Buffet, that guy who owns the Mavericks. At one point or another they all have stated that they don't really believe Trump is a billionaire and that he's obsessed with low earner projects that they wound't get out of bed for because he's a fraud...

    As far as the election goes Trump probably will get a second term. So it will be four more years of hearing more Trump hate.
    LOL or four more years of the sounds of mindless cocksucking from syncophants...

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    Let The Butthurt Continue

    ....and yet he's still the President, married to a hot woman, and has billions of dollars. Not too shabby for a "Loser" who "lost his ass".

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    He has billions of dollars? Bullshit. He might launder billions of dollars for criminal oligarchs, but none of it is HIS money.
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    He doesn't have billions of dollars and the slave wife he bought hates him.

    He is also a sociopath with no friends, if you envy him you are dumber than he is.

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    With a tiny mushroom shaped penis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Do you think he does? Real, self-made business people are laughing at Trump. Jeff Benzos, Buffet, that guy who owns the Mavericks. At one point or another they all have stated that they don't really believe Trump is a billionaire and that he's obsessed with low earner projects that they wound't get out of bed for because he's a fraud...



    LOL or four more years of the sounds of mindless cocksucking from syncophants...
    There are two types of accounting Nick. Tax accounting and managerial accounting. It’s impossible to see what is going on with the Trump Organization without seeing the balance sheets, the income statements and the statements of owner’s equity. In real estate you can depreciate assets and show losses for tax accounting purposes. In a real financial sense depreciation numbers and appraisal numbers mean nothing. The only way to really tell what a piece of property is worth is to put it on the open market and see what someone is willing to pay for it.

    As far as other business people laughing at Trump they have always done that. But wake me up when someone gets several years of annual reports from the Trump Organization and we can see what really went on. In tax accounting you will report all the depreciation and losses you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    He doesn't have billions of dollars and the slave wife he bought hates him.

    He is also a sociopath with no friends, if you envy him you are dumber than he is.

    There are liquid assets and non-liquid assets. Remember Assets=liabilities + owners equity. What you guys are really saying is Trump is low on the owner’s equity side but without a balance sheet to look at it’s all speculation.

    Please people. This is accounting 101 stuff. I can tell non of you went to business school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Schultz View Post
    ....and yet he's still the President, married to a hot woman, and has billions of dollars. Not too shabby for a "Loser" who "lost his ass".


    He has billions of dollars in assets. How liquid is trump? Nobody but his own accountants know for sure because the Trump Organization is privately held and they aren’t required to publicly disclose anything. So it’s all speculation exactly how much cash ol Don has in the bank but his credit is good enough to buy a trophy wife and some fancy clothes for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    He has billions of dollars in assets. How liquid is trump? Nobody but his own accountants know for sure because the Trump Organization is privately held and they aren’t required to publicly disclose anything. So it’s all speculation exactly how much cash ol Don has in the bank but his credit is good enough to buy a trophy wife and some fancy clothes for her.
    His credit is crap, no bank will lend to him which is how he ended up as a money launderer for Russian oligarchs.

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    ....and yet he's still the President, married to a hot woman, and has billions of dollars. Not too shabby for a "Loser" who "lost his ass".

    Whom he never has sex with, but the guard does...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    There are two types of accounting Nick. Tax accounting and managerial accounting. It’s impossible to see what is going on with the Trump Organization without seeing the balance sheets, the income statements and the statements of owner’s equity. In real estate you can depreciate assets and show losses for tax accounting purposes. In a real financial sense depreciation numbers and appraisal numbers mean nothing. The only way to really tell what a piece of property is worth is to put it on the open market and see what someone is willing to pay for it.

    As far as other business people laughing at Trump they have always done that. But wake me up when someone gets several years of annual reports from the Trump Organization and we can see what really went on. In tax accounting you will report all the depreciation and losses you can.
    You really think Trump orchestrated these losses to save on taxes?

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