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    Roth's Not Talking

    Dave's publicizing that he's not talking, but meeting with the Van Halens in the next week or so...

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    jUST sO LoNG aS tHErE''s A neW aL/BuM,, aND tHEY dON''"T sOUND LiKE oLD dEAd MMMeN!/!
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    In other words, he's meeting the Bros soon, but was asked to keep his mouth shut about it.

    Well, this must be taken with a lot of wariness... as usual.

    And it doesn't feel the same as the "Get ready" thing a few years ago.
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    It's a whole lot of nothing... but it's still more interesting than silence...

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    He actually is sort of talking, but FFS would you want to make definitive statements regarding the plans of Ed and Alex Van Halen?
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    Question is can he sing?? ...and I think we all know the answer.
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    Dave's not shy about talking on YouTube. I can't keep up.
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    He's always put more effort in the studio than on stage vocally. I am sure he will sound great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairwrning View Post
    Question is can he sing?? ...and I think we all know the answer.
    Compared to his contemporaries like Ozzy and Paul Stanley, Dave will be fine.

    Ozzy and KISS still pack crowds at shows despite the fact that both lead singers cant sing anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Compared to his contemporaries like Ozzy and Paul Stanley, Dave will be fine.

    Ozzy and KISS still pack crowds at shows despite the fact that both lead singers cant sing anymore.
    I've been to KISS two weeks ago. In fact, Stanley improved a bit but they back it up heavily. Dave can stand this ground any day of the week. He will do fine in the studio.

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    Sorry but the KI$$ tour is completely mimed.

    What you saw was not live music.
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    Not surprising actually...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Sorry but the KI$$ tour is completely mimed.

    What you saw was not live music.
    Partly true. There are bits and pieces they play live. And Paul's "LISTON PEOPLE"-rants are still live. His voice was not that much of a disaster like it was the last time in 2014.

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    So his voice in between songs was better than usual?

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    There is a recent KISS show in Kiev.

    A total disaster. Stanley actually waited until the canned vocals would kick in on the opener DRC and when they didn't he had to resort to his shot voice.

    It was pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    There is a recent KISS show in Kiev.

    A total disaster. Stanley actually waited until the canned vocals would kick in on the opener DRC and when they didn't he had to resort to his shot voice.

    It was pathetic.


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    Looks like they are Milli KISSinilli now.

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    Watch. Gene will sell a KISS karaoke machine with canned Paul vocals on tap. Also some padded KISS condoms to make you look bigger than your are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Looks like they are Milli KISSinilli now.
    To be fair, they are miming their own vocals...

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    One has to wonder if the VH meeting Dave was eluding to this week, has any relation to the Michael Anthony interview that just surfaced..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    To be fair, they are miming their own vocals...
    Really doesn't matter. People go to a KISS show to watch a bunch of stuff blow up on stage. Hell when you are watching explosions while drunk and high, you really don't care about the vocals. Hell. You might not remember most of the concert. You will probably be wondering how you got home and who's panties ended up in your backset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    One has to wonder if the VH meeting Dave was eluding to this week, has any relation to the Michael Anthony interview that just surfaced..?
    Mike is the perfect example of nice guys finish last. VH screwed him raw. He just bent over and smiled as they stole his royalties. The guy at one time got a equal fifth of what the band made. Mike should have just said, "I'm not signing shit motherfuckers. Have fun on stage without me." They would have freaked. You can replace the bass playing easy enough but your can't replace those vocals. Of course with Wolfie Mike can't pull that move but I bet VH gave Mike a shit deal and he said fuck this shit, I will just stay in Sammy's circle jerk.

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    That's ok though. Sam likes a man who takes it up the ass with a smile. Mike is hairy and can really scream. To Sammy that's a gimp from heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Mike is the perfect example of nice guys finish last. VH screwed him raw. He just bent over and smiled as they stole his royalties. The guy at one time got a equal fifth of what the band made. Mike should have just said, "I'm not signing shit motherfuckers. Have fun on stage without me." They would have freaked. You can replace the bass playing easy enough but your can't replace those vocals. Of course with Wolfie Mike can't pull that move but I bet VH gave Mike a shit deal and he said fuck this shit, I will just stay in Sammy's circle jerk.
    I'm of the opinion Mike's finished first more than any of the VH band members... Sure, he was fucked over by the Van Halen Brothers™, but he didn't crawl off and cry. Just found ways to continue having fun making music, working with many of the greatest legends in the rock music business and enjoying life in general. Appears to me, Mike's remained in a far better place in life than the 3 other founding members of the band combined. And that's even with his wagon hitched to Hagar...

    Say what you will... more albums, tours, positive fan interactions, endorsements and performances in the last 15 years. Check the scores... Mike's so far in the lead the rest aren't even in the ball park.

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    Mike has this level of passivity about all the shit that went down...I don't get it, other than maybe by the time Ed finally gave him the boot [Mike] was content to just be done with it and move on. One can't imagine the last several years he was employed by the band - which is basically what he was after Hagar left, an employee - were particularly satisfying. Conventional wisdom is that he didn't even play on Van Halen III. After the Van Halen III tour ended, the band did fuck all. The Van Halens didn't even want him on that last tour with Hagar in 2004, and considering the quality of the shows on that tour had Anthony sat it out he might have been better off.

    When one reads Monk's book and the details about how Roth and the Van Halens forced Anthony to sign to a smaller percentage of the publishing going forward from 1984 on, it seems Anthony was kept on a short 'take it or leave it' leash by the Van Halens for a good twenty years before they unceremoniously chucked him out and replaced him with Ed's kid: Ed apparently doesn't consider what Anthony brought to the group as being in the least bit valuable. Anthony has had little to no contact with Roth for the past 35 years. All of which begs the question as to why Anthony would be itching to reunite with the band for what will doubtless be a pittance in terms of the wage offered by the Van Halens for doing so?

    I mean, for all the snide remarks about Mike Anthony being Hagar's butt boy, at least Mike gets to play regularly with a group of guys who he has fun with and who appreciate what he brings to the group. The only reason I can see Anthony at this point wanting to even temporarily trade that off for a Van Halen reunion is that he would be doing it for the fans (because one gets the sense that Anthony actually would be willing to do it for the fans: contrast that with the attitude the Van Halens have toward their fans) and he would get paid well. Anything short of that, why bother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I'm of the opinion Mike's finished first more than any of the VH band members... Sure, he was fucked over by the Van Halen Brothers™, but he didn't crawl off and cry. Just found ways to continue having fun making music, working with many of the greatest legends in the rock music business and enjoying life in general. Appears to me, Mike's remained in a far better place in life than the 3 other founding members of the band combined. And that's even with his wagon hitched to Hagar...

    Say what you will... more albums, tours, positive fan interactions, endorsements and performances in the last 15 years. Check the scores... Mike's so far in the lead the rest aren't even in the ball park.
    I'm looking at it from a business perspective. But yeah as far as a quality family life and being happy Mike has em all beat. Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Mike has this level of passivity about all the shit that went down...I don't get it, other than maybe by the time Ed finally gave him the boot [Mike] was content to just be done with it and move on. One can't imagine the last several years he was employed by the band - which is basically what he was after Hagar left, an employee - were particularly satisfying. Conventional wisdom is that he didn't even play on Van Halen III. After the Van Halen III tour ended, the band did fuck all. The Van Halens didn't even want him on that last tour with Hagar in 2004, and considering the quality of the shows on that tour had Anthony sat it out he might have been better off.

    When one reads Monk's book and the details about how Roth and the Van Halens forced Anthony to sign to a smaller percentage of the publishing going forward from 1984 on, it seems Anthony was kept on a short 'take it or leave it' leash by the Van Halens for a good twenty years before they unceremoniously chucked him out and replaced him with Ed's kid: Ed apparently doesn't consider what Anthony brought to the group as being in the least bit valuable. Anthony has had little to no contact with Roth for the past 35 years. All of which begs the question as to why Anthony would be itching to reunite with the band for what will doubtless be a pittance in terms of the wage offered by the Van Halens for doing so?

    I mean, for all the snide remarks about Mike Anthony being Hagar's butt boy, at least Mike gets to play regularly with a group of guys who he has fun with and who appreciate what he brings to the group. The only reason I can see Anthony at this point wanting to even temporarily trade that off for a Van Halen reunion is that he would be doing it for the fans (because one gets the sense that Anthony actually would be willing to do it for the fans: contrast that with the attitude the Van Halens have toward their fans) and he would get paid well. Anything short of that, why bother?
    Mike is a get up there and jam guy. The Van Halen's are studio wankers. Roth is a recluse who seems to have to have everything planned out and tightly controlled. Dave don't spontaniously fill in or jump up on stage. Mike and Sam are spontaneous the rest of the VH dudes aren't. That's the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Mike is a get up there and jam guy. The Van Halen's are studio wankers. Roth is a recluse who seems to have to have everything planned out and tightly controlled. Dave don't spontaniously fill in or jump up on stage. Mike and Sam are spontaneous the rest of the VH dudes aren't. That's the difference.
    Yeah whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Yeah whatever.

    FUCK Bassplayer and his wife Bette Midler.
    Yeah but at least they go out and jam. They aren’t afraid to sit in or do a spontaneous jam. Eddie has become a guitar and amp manufacture. He’s a brand name but nobody see’s the guy or his brother. Roth is a strange recluse. He’s become the strange old man who wears bad suits and reminds everyone he once was in Van Halen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Yeah whatever.

    FUCK Bassplayer and his wife Bette Midler.
    Meh...I'm sort of at the point where Hagar and Mike can say or do whatever, and I can't be bothered getting angry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Really doesn't matter. People go to a KISS show to watch a bunch of stuff blow up on stage. Hell when you are watching explosions while drunk and high, you really don't care about the vocals. Hell. You might not remember most of the concert. You will probably be wondering how you got home and who's panties ended up in your backset.
    Nobody is drunk and high at a KISS show these days. Come on now.

    Majority of concert goers at their shows comprise of casual fans with diehards who now bring their kids.

    Its not 1977.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Meh...I'm sort of at the point where Hagar and Mike can say or do whatever, and I can't be bothered getting angry about it.
    I ain't angry. Just a statement. lol

    You have to admit, MA's "nice guy" persona is annoying not to mention his association with Sam.

    Ed and Al will always be jerks and Dave can be a handful but Mike shouldn't be without criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Mike has this level of passivity about all the shit that went down...I don't get it, other than maybe by the time Ed finally gave him the boot [Mike] was content to just be done with it and move on. One can't imagine the last several years he was employed by the band - which is basically what he was after Hagar left, an employee - were particularly satisfying. Conventional wisdom is that he didn't even play on Van Halen III. After the Van Halen III tour ended, the band did fuck all. The Van Halens didn't even want him on that last tour with Hagar in 2004, and considering the quality of the shows on that tour had Anthony sat it out he might have been better off.

    When one reads Monk's book and the details about how Roth and the Van Halens forced Anthony to sign to a smaller percentage of the publishing going forward from 1984 on, it seems Anthony was kept on a short 'take it or leave it' leash by the Van Halens for a good twenty years before they unceremoniously chucked him out and replaced him with Ed's kid: Ed apparently doesn't consider what Anthony brought to the group as being in the least bit valuable. Anthony has had little to no contact with Roth for the past 35 years. All of which begs the question as to why Anthony would be itching to reunite with the band for what will doubtless be a pittance in terms of the wage offered by the Van Halens for doing so?

    I mean, for all the snide remarks about Mike Anthony being Hagar's butt boy, at least Mike gets to play regularly with a group of guys who he has fun with and who appreciate what he brings to the group. The only reason I can see Anthony at this point wanting to even temporarily trade that off for a Van Halen reunion is that he would be doing it for the fans (because one gets the sense that Anthony actually would be willing to do it for the fans: contrast that with the attitude the Van Halens have toward their fans) and he would get paid well. Anything short of that, why bother?
    I don't take anything Noel Monk says as necessarily true.

    First off, at the end of the book, he claims Dave RELEASED EAS before leaving Van Halen and that was the final straw. The fucking manager doesn't even know the truth.

    Secondly, he spends a lot of time defending himself about not having stolen from VH, even though nobody in VH ever publicly accused him of anything.

    If he doesn't even remember Dave made EAS after VH released 5150, how can anyone take him seriously.

    Thirdly, Sammy said the VH brothers cut Mike out of his share in around 1993 / 1994 (around the time of FUCK). Well if Mike was already cut out 10 years earlier, how did he gain back his equal share in between? No way the VH asshole brothers would have given Mike his equal share back in the interim.

    I don't necessarily believe Sammy, but I sure don't trust a greedy little manager who never deserved 20% of the band's take in the first place.

    I'm surprised nobody caught Monk's total misrepresentation of when Dave released EAS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    I ain't angry. Just a statement. lol

    You have to admit, MA's "nice guy" persona is annoying not to mention his association with Sam.

    Ed and Al will always be jerks and Dave can be a handful but Mike shouldn't be without criticism.
    Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.

    I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.

    I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.

    Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.

    I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.

    I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.

    I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.

    I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.

    Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.

    I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.

    I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?
    I never understood the nonsense that Mike and Alex didn't contribute anything.

    Did the bass play itself, And the drums?

    What about rehearsal time and effort? What about the touring effort? That contribution adds to record sales (by putting on a good show), and Mike had good stage presence and put as much effort into the tour as anyone, other than DLR. DLR contributed the most on tour by his sheer physicality which by itself is a huge amount of work. Even the greedy manager stated DLR worked his ass off.

    I am no musician but there is way more to writing songs than the guitar and vocals.

    As far as MA being considered a nice guy, he shit-talked Dave for decades and to me is an ungrateful prick. No DLR, no MA fortune.

    And he even shit talked Sammy after 1996. He was likely forced by the brothers, but that just makes him a pussy. He shit talked the guy he claims to be brothers with, instead of standing his ground and sticking up for his friend.

    You can't trust anyone like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby's On Fire View Post
    I never understood the nonsense that Mike and Alex didn't contribute anything.

    Did the bass play itself, And the drums?

    What about rehearsal time and effort? What about the touring effort? That contribution adds to record sales (by putting on a good show), and Mike had good stage presence and put as much effort into the tour as anyone, other than DLR. DLR contributed the most on tour by his sheer physicality which by itself is a huge amount of work. Even the greedy manager stated DLR worked his ass off.

    I am no musician but there is way more to writing songs than the guitar and vocals.

    As far as MA being considered a nice guy, he shit-talked Dave for decades and to me is an ungrateful prick. No DLR, no MA fortune.

    And he even shit talked Sammy after 1996. He was likely forced by the brothers, but that just makes him a pussy. He shit talked the guy he claims to be brothers with, instead of standing his ground and sticking up for his friend.

    You can't trust anyone like that.
    It's a weird situation. I'm kind of like Noel Monk in the way of seeing Mike as a spineless gimp just taking shit from the Van Halen's. It's like being the kid on the playground taking all sorts of shit from the school bully and not sticking up for himself. It's pathetically weak. Once you let yourself become toilet paper the ass whipping continues. It continues until you behave in a manner that demands respect. You don't let people walk all over you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.

    I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.

    I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.

    Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.

    I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.

    I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?
    Sammy loves Mike because Mike takes it up the ass. First from the Van Halen's and then from Sammy. Sammy likes nice guys who bend over and let love walk in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Nobody is drunk and high at a KISS show these days. Come on now.

    Majority of concert goers at their shows comprise of casual fans with diehards who now bring their kids.

    Its not 1977.
    Wow. What a drag. Sounds boring.

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    Yeah, you need to be high and drunk all the more so if the music is that bad.

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