Roth's Not Talking

[Terry]

Yeah whatever.

FUCK Bassplayer and his wife Bette Midler.

Meh...I'm sort of at the point where Hagar and Mike can say or do whatever, and I can't be bothered getting angry about it.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Really doesn't matter. People go to a KISS show to watch a bunch of stuff blow up on stage. Hell when you are watching explosions while drunk and high, you really don't care about the vocals. Hell. You might not remember most of the concert. You will probably be wondering how you got home and who's panties ended up in your backset.

Nobody is drunk and high at a KISS show these days. Come on now.

Majority of concert goers at their shows comprise of casual fans with diehards who now bring their kids.

Its not 1977.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Meh...I'm sort of at the point where Hagar and Mike can say or do whatever, and I can't be bothered getting angry about it.

I ain't angry. Just a statement. lol

You have to admit, MA's "nice guy" persona is annoying not to mention his association with Sam.

Ed and Al will always be jerks and Dave can be a handful but Mike shouldn't be without criticism.

[Baby's On Fire]

Mike has this level of passivity about all the shit that went down...I don't get it, other than maybe by the time Ed finally gave him the boot [Mike] was content to just be done with it and move on. One can't imagine the last several years he was employed by the band - which is basically what he was after Hagar left, an employee - were particularly satisfying. Conventional wisdom is that he didn't even play on Van Halen III. After the Van Halen III tour ended, the band did fuck all. The Van Halens didn't even want him on that last tour with Hagar in 2004, and considering the quality of the shows on that tour had Anthony sat it out he might have been better off.

When one reads Monk's book and the details about how Roth and the Van Halens forced Anthony to sign to a smaller percentage of the publishing going forward from 1984 on, it seems Anthony was kept on a short 'take it or leave it' leash by the Van Halens for a good twenty years before they unceremoniously chucked him out and replaced him with Ed's kid: Ed apparently doesn't consider what Anthony brought to the group as being in the least bit valuable. Anthony has had little to no contact with Roth for the past 35 years. All of which begs the question as to why Anthony would be itching to reunite with the band for what will doubtless be a pittance in terms of the wage offered by the Van Halens for doing so?

I mean, for all the snide remarks about Mike Anthony being Hagar's butt boy, at least Mike gets to play regularly with a group of guys who he has fun with and who appreciate what he brings to the group. The only reason I can see Anthony at this point wanting to even temporarily trade that off for a Van Halen reunion is that he would be doing it for the fans (because one gets the sense that Anthony actually would be willing to do it for the fans: contrast that with the attitude the Van Halens have toward their fans) and he would get paid well. Anything short of that, why bother?

I don't take anything Noel Monk says as necessarily true.

First off, at the end of the book, he claims Dave RELEASED EAS before leaving Van Halen and that was the final straw. The fucking manager doesn't even know the truth.

Secondly, he spends a lot of time defending himself about not having stolen from VH, even though nobody in VH ever publicly accused him of anything.

If he doesn't even remember Dave made EAS after VH released 5150, how can anyone take him seriously.

Thirdly, Sammy said the VH brothers cut Mike out of his share in around 1993 / 1994 (around the time of FUCK). Well if Mike was already cut out 10 years earlier, how did he gain back his equal share in between? No way the VH asshole brothers would have given Mike his equal share back in the interim.

I don't necessarily believe Sammy, but I sure don't trust a greedy little manager who never deserved 20% of the band's take in the first place.

I'm surprised nobody caught Monk's total misrepresentation of when Dave released EAS.

[Terry]

I ain't angry. Just a statement. lol

You have to admit, MA's "nice guy" persona is annoying not to mention his association with Sam.

Ed and Al will always be jerks and Dave can be a handful but Mike shouldn't be without criticism.

Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.

I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.

I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.

Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.

I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.

I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?

[Baby's On Fire]

Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.

I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.

I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.

Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.

I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.

I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?

I never understood the nonsense that Mike and Alex didn't contribute anything.

Did the bass play itself, And the drums?

What about rehearsal time and effort? What about the touring effort? That contribution adds to record sales (by putting on a good show), and Mike had good stage presence and put as much effort into the tour as anyone, other than DLR. DLR contributed the most on tour by his sheer physicality which by itself is a huge amount of work. Even the greedy manager stated DLR worked his ass off.

I am no musician but there is way more to writing songs than the guitar and vocals.

As far as MA being considered a nice guy, he shit-talked Dave for decades and to me is an ungrateful prick. No DLR, no MA fortune.

And he even shit talked Sammy after 1996. He was likely forced by the brothers, but that just makes him a pussy. He shit talked the guy he claims to be brothers with, instead of standing his ground and sticking up for his friend.

You can't trust anyone like that.

[Nitro Express]

I never understood the nonsense that Mike and Alex didn't contribute anything.

Did the bass play itself, And the drums?

What about rehearsal time and effort? What about the touring effort? That contribution adds to record sales (by putting on a good show), and Mike had good stage presence and put as much effort into the tour as anyone, other than DLR. DLR contributed the most on tour by his sheer physicality which by itself is a huge amount of work. Even the greedy manager stated DLR worked his ass off.

I am no musician but there is way more to writing songs than the guitar and vocals.

As far as MA being considered a nice guy, he shit-talked Dave for decades and to me is an ungrateful prick. No DLR, no MA fortune.

And he even shit talked Sammy after 1996. He was likely forced by the brothers, but that just makes him a pussy. He shit talked the guy he claims to be brothers with, instead of standing his ground and sticking up for his friend.

You can't trust anyone like that.

It's a weird situation. I'm kind of like Noel Monk in the way of seeing Mike as a spineless gimp just taking shit from the Van Halen's. It's like being the kid on the playground taking all sorts of shit from the school bully and not sticking up for himself. It's pathetically weak. Once you let yourself become toilet paper the ass whipping continues. It continues until you behave in a manner that demands respect. You don't let people walk all over you.

[Nitro Express]

Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.

I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.

I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.

Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.

I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.

I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?

Sammy loves Mike because Mike takes it up the ass. First from the Van Halen's and then from Sammy. Sammy likes nice guys who bend over and let love walk in.

[Nitro Express]

Nobody is drunk and high at a KISS show these days. Come on now.

Majority of concert goers at their shows comprise of casual fans with diehards who now bring their kids.

Its not 1977.

Wow. What a drag. Sounds boring.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Yeah, you need to be high and drunk all the more so if the music is that bad.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Sammy loves Mike because Mike takes it up the ass. First from the Van Halen's and then from Sammy. Sammy likes nice guys who bend over and let love walk in.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Well, this assumes Mike is acting like he's a nice guy - creating said persona - rather than actually simply just being one.

I mean, I dunno. I suppose Mike could be a total prick in private.

I don't really find Anthony's nice guy persona annoying. More like baffling.

Even if one tends to think the only thing Anthony contributed to CVH was in the area of backing vocals, and that Anthony was merely lucky enough to have been in a band with Eddie Van Halen (the Lottery Winner theory) to begin with, far as I can tell Mike was loyal to the Van Halens for far longer than anybody else who has been in the band. For Anthony to get dumped the way he did, and remain publicly stoic about it, is just mystifying to me.

I don't even find Mike's association with Hagar to be particularly annoying. Mike and Hagar enjoy playing music together...okay. Nobody's forcing me to listen to what they do. There seems to be some who believe that if only Mike wasn't friends with Hagar, Ed wouldn't have chucked him out of the band. Rings false to me.

I don't think anybody's beyond criticism, but the instances of Mike Anthony being a nice guy and associating with Hagar aren't really things worthy of criticism. I mean, was Mike Anthony just supposed to publicly disavow Hagar and sit around waiting for Eddie to call him?

Well when you align yourself with someone who publicly trashed Ed after the 2004 tour ended and then joins his band calling themselves "The Other Half of Van Halen" not to mention more Ed trashing in his book afterwards, what do you expect? So, in my opinion he's not without some criticism.

There are so many other artists Bassplayer could have hooked up with - but he decides to go with Sam.

[Nitro Express]

Just don't flash any titties. I don't care if the kids see em. Gene will walk off the stage trying to get at em.

[Nitro Express]

Well when you align yourself with someone who publicly trashed Ed after the 2004 tour ended and then joins his band calling themselves "The Other Half of Van Halen" not to mention more Ed trashing in his book afterwards, what do you expect? So, in my opinion he's not without some criticism.

There are so many other artists Bassplayer could have hooked up with - but he decides to go with Sam.

Sam pulls a string on Mike's shorts and looks for an opening and Sam's love comes walking in. It happened singing that damn song together back in the Van Hagar days and what can you say. Sam and Mike fell in love. Sam is the dominant faggot and he likes Mike to be the woman. A roll he's well practiced and suited for. Al and Ed might be fags but they aren't gay. Mike and Sam are faggots and gay.

[Nickdfresh]

I don't take anything Noel Monk says as necessarily true.

I agree, he does show some moments of faulty memory. For instance, some of what he said about VH's South American tour circa the Diver Down era doesn't jibe with the bootlegs and concert chronology...

First off, at the end of the book, he claims Dave RELEASED EAS before leaving Van Halen and that was the final straw. The fucking manager doesn't even know the truth.

Secondly, he spends a lot of time defending himself about not having stolen from VH, even though nobody in VH ever publicly accused him of anything.

If he doesn't even remember Dave made EAS after VH released 5150, how can anyone take him seriously.

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I'm surprised nobody caught Monk's total misrepresentation of when Dave released EAS.

I'm not sure what the fuck you are talking about here. I just paged through Ch. 18 of Monk's RWTD and he says nothing of the sort. What he does say is that he worked on Dave's "EP" and mentions "Crazy from the Heat" and (paraphrasing) "hating every song of it even while promoting the hell out of it". I didn't see him mention Eat 'Em and Smile at all, and he scantly touches on Dave's solo career and the Van Hagar era as for him this was the end. I do recall him mentioning being the in the same club as Dave while managing his forgotten follow-up band in the late 80's and Dave having his security asking Monk to leave and being a cunt, but not sure where that was in the book...