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    Dave on WTF

    Dave is on the latest Marc Maron WTF Podcast, one of the biggest podcasts in the world, everyone from Paul McCartney, the Stones to Obama has been on it.

    It's a really good interview, new stories about the old days and Maron manages to just about stop Dave going into total full stream of consciousness ramble mode. He talks about some stuff he usually ducks about the relationship with the Van Halen brothers which is just as bad as we all thought.


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    You only need to hear David Lee Roth talk for a few seconds to understand why he is the consummate rock and roll frontman. Diamond Dave takes Marc on a stream of consciousness ride through his past, present, future and whatever else he’s thinking about in the moment. They talk about David’s love of Big Band music, jazz guitar, his Uncle Manny, working as an EMT in the Bronx, and his serendipitous pairing with the Van Halen brothers that created musical perfection and nonstop personal animosity. This episode is sponsored by Present Company with Krista Smith, SimpliSafe, and Stamps.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Dave is on the latest Marc Maron WTF Podcast, one of the biggest podcasts in the world, everyone from Paul McCartney, the Stones to Obama has been on it.

    It's a really good interview, new stories about the old days and Maron manages to just about stop Dave going into total full stream of consciousness ramble mode. He talks about some stuff he usually ducks about the relationship with the Van Halen brothers which is just as bad as we all thought.


    http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episod...david-lee-roth
    Yeah, some nuggets in the usual schtick!

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    Van Halen In Concert - Chula Vista, CA
    Van Halen front man David Lee Roth says his relationship with the band's two namesakes, Alex and Eddie Van Halen, has never been smooth.

    Roth says, despite their similar upbringings, he and the Van Halens have always fought when they were together. For some reason, the friction didn't stop them from forming a band, playing hundreds of shows and releasing six hit albums.

    Diamond Dave tells WTF with Marc Maron that his fit in Van Halen, musically speaking, has always been a perfect one. But he's not about to take anyone named Van Halen out to dinner. Maron asked him specifically.

    "Can you sit down with the fellas and have dinner and stuff?" Maron queried.

    "Nope. Nope. Not even close," Roth replied. "This is not a golf club. This is a little closer to The Wild Bunch, right? There is a fury and an antagonism and what comes out of that, when it's good, oh man, that's retina-bursting. That'll change your f---ing haircut."


    Van Halen hasn't toured since 2015, and while Roth says his last run with the band amounted to some of the "best shows" they had ever done together, the arguments backstage were never-ending.

    "We were at each other all throughout the tour," Roth explained. "You've got to be mature enough to understand."

    The most common refrain during intra-Van Halen fighting is "What the f--k are you thinking?" Roth adds. "And it's constant. And then you assign yourself to the producer who will either take Eddie's side or my side; you're either a Dave guy or an Eddie guy. You're all mature enough to understand that we're all pirates here. Of course you're gonna betray me."

    Roth doesn't seem to take the arguments with him when he's not in Van Halen land; he says it's just part of being in a rock band.

    While he didn't address why Van Halen isn't on tour this summer, he confirmed that there were plans for him to meet with the band in the weeks following the interview.

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    Not that this is big news - we've always known Dave and the Van Halens never got along. The arrangement since 2006 has been purely business - as it should be. You think Keith likes Mick now after all these years? No he doesn't. But that doesn't mean they don't stop performing as the Stones.

    The only thing I've found interesting is that every other musician that has worked with Dave since the original CVH breakup are still good friends with him - like Vai, Sheehan, Bissonette, John 5, etc.

    Which boils down to this - and another thing we've always known - Ed and Al are assholes. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Not that this is big news - we've always known Dave and the Van Halens never got along. The arrangement since 2006 has been purely business
    Which one has basically suspected since 2006. Particularly in light of comments from both Ed and Dave in post-2007 interviews ("Dave doesn't want to be my friend" and other asides indicating they don't spend any time together if they're not working and spend as little time offstage together when they are touring as possible). Doubtless tying into the longstanding fact that they never really got along well, personality-wise.

    Ed and Al have certainly made a lot of asshole moves, particularly over the last 25 years. To be fair, though, Roth comes across as more than a bit bizarre: there's only so much I can take watching the latest round of recent interviews he gave, so I can't imagine what it'd be like to be in a band with the guy or being around him day in and day out. My sense is that the novelty of that would wear off quicker than one would think, and perhaps that was true even 40+ years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Which one has basically suspected since 2006. Particularly in light of comments from both Ed and Dave in post-2007 interviews ("Dave doesn't want to be my friend" and other asides indicating they don't spend any time together if they're not working and spend as little time offstage together when they are touring as possible). Doubtless tying into the longstanding fact that they never really got along well, personality-wise.

    Ed and Al have certainly made a lot of asshole moves, particularly over the last 25 years. To be fair, though, Roth comes across as more than a bit bizarre: there's only so much I can take watching the latest round of recent interviews he gave, so I can't imagine what it'd be like to be in a band with the guy or being around him day in and day out. My sense is that the novelty of that would wear off quicker than one would think, and perhaps that was true even 40+ years ago.
    I agree.

    Which brings me to Azoff. I give him full credit for keeping these dysfunctional fucks together as long as they have - even coming out with a full length album as well.

    Which is what CVH needed desperately in 1985. I think if they had a strong, influential top notch manager they could have been held together longer. Monk did what he could but I don't think he was the right manager to keep these personalities together.

    There are many other bands over time that were on the verge of breaking up but didn't cause they had strong management that kept them focused on the common goal, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    I agree.

    Which brings me to Azoff. I give him full credit for keeping these dysfunctional fucks together as long as they have - even coming out with a full length album as well.

    Which is what CVH needed desperately in 1985. I think if they had a strong, influential top notch manager they could have been held together longer. Monk did what he could but I don't think he was the right manager to keep these personalities together.

    There are many other bands over time that were on the verge of breaking up but didn't cause they had strong management that kept them focused on the common goal, etc.
    By the time 2006 rolled around, perhaps a combination of Wolfgang pushing for a Roth reunion, the Van Halens realizing that if they wanted to tour again the only realistic choice was Roth (rather than a 4th singer) and Azoff being tuned into the reality that in 2007 promoters weren't going to shell out big guarantees like they did in 2004 unless Ed was demonstrably sober. I wouldn't give Azoff too much credit, recalling the Azoff-helmed 2003/2004 Van Hagar disaster, but at least Azoff seemed to learn from that.

    I think, far as 1985 goes, that Van Halen needed a break. Clearly, this is all said with the benefit of hindsight, but I think Roth and the Van Halens were just plain burnt on dealing with each other. Far back as Fair Warning, Ed was beginning to tire of dealing with Roth, and was becoming more and more unhappy with each subsequent album and tour.

    And even a break might not have done much more than postpone the split, especially when considering that Roth and Ed were starting to fray in terms of the musical direction by the time Diver Down came about: it was one thing not getting along when they all had unity of purpose musically. Once THAT common denominator was starting to fray, doubtless the personality clashes just became that much more pronounced. Ed was probably like "fuck, I don't even like Roth, and now I gotta do cover tunes like Dancing In The Streets?" Roth was probably like "shit, what is all this synthesizer nonsense, and why the fuck are we recording in Eddie's home studio?" That combination of musical and lifestyle differences - along with the ego explosions of their massive success - wasn't something any manager was going to be able to paper over once Roth and Eddie could no longer stand the sight of each other and weren't even enjoying making music together...like, by the time 1984 rolled around, just the act of making an album and touring it and having to be in the same room or on the same stage together was just too difficult for both Roth and Eddie. Throw in all the booze and coke on top of that, CVH was just done.

    Honestly, and I've said this more than once, it wasn't so much a shock that CVH split in 1985 as it was that they managed to stay together THAT long to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post

    The only thing I've found interesting is that every other musician that has worked with Dave since the original CVH breakup are still good friends with him - like Vai, Sheehan, Bissonette, John 5, etc.

    Which boils down to this - and another thing we've always known - Ed and Al are assholes. LOL
    Maybe but it's only with the Van Halens that he has to work as an equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Maybe but it's only with the Van Halens that he has to work as an equal.
    Yes, that's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Maybe but it's only with the Van Halens that he has to work as an equal.
    That kinda goes both ways... the Van Halens he "has" to work with... today.

    The friendly relationships with Vai, Sheehan, Bissonette, John 5, etc. may be more a reflection of the fact they "don't" have to work with Roth... today.
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    Diamond Dave is CLASSIC always!

    Damn, just listened to the entire Podcast. That was a great interview. One of the best with Dave I've ever heard. The man is so intelligent, those are always the ones that are misunderstood the most!
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    Getting ready for a tour doesn't take the same efforts for Dave as it does for Ed and Al. Given what he (Dave) delivered in 2015, vocally, compared with how they played...
    Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jérôme Frenchise View Post
    Getting ready for a tour doesn't take the same efforts for Dave as it does for Ed and Al. Given what he (Dave) delivered in 2015, vocally, compared with how they played...
    Just a thought.
    Ed and Al play everyday together. They are studio rats. So yeah unless Ed is fucked up on drugs like he was in 2004 he still can play. You can still rock and be an old fuck. Kieth Richards has proven this.

    The problem with Dave is he was a very high energy frontman. He’s old with some back problems and he’s smoked too many cigarettes and joints. He can’t do it anymore. Granted he”s in great shape for what he is but Mick Jager can pull it off still and with Dave something is just amiss. I think if you saw VH in the old days we still expect that and seeing Dave tying real hard but it ain’t there is a bit disappointing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Ed and Al play everyday together. They are studio rats. So yeah unless Ed is fucked up on drugs like he was in 2004 he still can play. You can still rock and be an old fuck. Kieth Richards has proven this.

    The problem with Dave is he was a very high energy frontman. He’s old with some back problems and he’s smoked too many cigarettes and joints. He can’t do it anymore. Granted he”s in great shape for what he is but Mick Jager can pull it off still and with Dave something is just amiss. I think if you saw VH in the old days we still expect that and seeing Dave tying real hard but it ain’t there is a bit disappointing.
    I think folks are a little too hard on Dave to expect to have him sing like he did in 1984 or even 1991.

    He can still pull off a good performance like was doing in 2007. I believe he can - as long as he stays within his normal range/register. The problems occur when he wants to hit those higher screams or notes - and it doesn't sound right. And comes across as yelling.

    As evidenced from the recent song sample of the unreleased John 5 album, Dave can truly still sing very well. Again, unlike his contemporaries like Ozzy or Paul Stanley - the latter who's voice is truly shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    I think folks are a little too hard on Dave to expect to have him sing like he did in 1984 or even 1991.

    He can still pull off a good performance like was doing in 2007. I believe he can - as long as he stays within his normal range/register. The problems occur when he wants to hit those higher screams or notes - and it doesn't sound right. And comes across as yelling.

    As evidenced from the recent song sample of the unreleased John 5 album, Dave can truly still sing very well. Again, unlike his contemporaries like Ozzy or Paul Stanley - the latter who's voice is truly shot.
    The problem is Dave did an extremely high energy show in his prime. The band's manager even said if anyone else tried to jump around like Dave they would end up in the hospital. So yeah Dave has tried to tone it down but keep things interesting. Instead of Spiderman going all over in spandex tights, Dave wears a suit and does more of a Vaudeville meets Kung Fu thing. Hey it takes talent to do that and Dave does it well but it just comes off as a toned down inferior version of what we grew up on.

    I just accept Dave Roth got old. He can't do it anymore. Hey he's in great shape and he's putting the effort in but there will come a day when youth will fade away. It has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The problem is Dave did an extremely high energy show in his prime. The band's manager even said if anyone else tried to jump around like Dave they would end up in the hospital. So yeah Dave has tried to tone it down but keep things interesting. Instead of Spiderman going all over in spandex tights, Dave wears a suit and does more of a Vaudeville meets Kung Fu thing. Hey it takes talent to do that and Dave does it well but it just comes off as a toned down inferior version of what we grew up on.

    I just accept Dave Roth got old. He can't do it anymore. Hey he's in great shape and he's putting the effort in but there will come a day when youth will fade away. It has.
    All true yes.

    There was no one - NO ONE - who was doing what Dave was doing night after night and still being able to sing through all of it. Yeah yeah, people talk about the US Festival but there are so many boots out there of Dave killin' it vocally along with the showmanship.

    He set the bar up way high. It was impossible for anyone to live up to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The problem is Dave did an extremely high energy show in his prime. The band's manager even said if anyone else tried to jump around like Dave they would end up in the hospital. So yeah Dave has tried to tone it down but keep things interesting. Instead of Spiderman going all over in spandex tights, Dave wears a suit and does more of a Vaudeville meets Kung Fu thing. Hey it takes talent to do that and Dave does it well but it just comes off as a toned down inferior version of what we grew up on.

    I just accept Dave Roth got old. He can't do it anymore. Hey he's in great shape and he's putting the effort in but there will come a day when youth will fade away. It has.
    And that's really all it is, is that Dave Roth got old...it's not a sin that he got old and can't perform the way he could in his twenties and thirties, specifically because - as you say - Roth and CVH WERE such a high energy thing.

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    [QUOTE=Nitro Express;1940239]
    The problem with Dave is he was a very high energy frontman. He’s old with some back problems and he’s smoked too many cigarettes and joints. He can’t do it anymore. Granted he”s in great shape for what he is but Mick Jager can pull it off still and with Dave something is just amiss. /QUOTE]

    You might be onto something here. Mick today is the same as Mick 10/20/30 years ago.
    He's doing his twitchy little scarecrow thing and it works cause that's all he's got (besides
    his voice) and he's perfected it. Go with what you know & keep it simple.

    Dave on the other hand was the ultimate frontman and perhaps that kinda stuff doesn't
    translate well when he's/you're into your 50/60s. The crowd might want/expect his old
    rap/stories but that shit is so dated and there is really nothing "new" he could replace
    it with to satisfy the masses.
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    [QUOTE=silverfish;1940243]
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The problem with Dave is he was a very high energy frontman. He’s old with some back problems and he’s smoked too many cigarettes and joints. He can’t do it anymore. Granted he”s in great shape for what he is but Mick Jager can pull it off still and with Dave something is just amiss. /QUOTE]

    You might be onto something here. Mick today is the same as Mick 10/20/30 years ago.
    He's doing his twitchy little scarecrow thing and it works cause that's all he's got (besides
    his voice) and he's perfected it. Go with what you know & keep it simple.

    Dave on the other hand was the ultimate frontman and perhaps that kinda stuff doesn't
    translate well when he's/you're into your 50/60s. The crowd might want/expect his old
    rap/stories but that shit is so dated and there is really nothing "new" he could replace
    it with to satisfy the masses.
    The problem is the Van Halen's still can play high energy music. Hey those guys could write an album of different songs where Dave could sing them at a lower range with some swagger. Kind of like Can't Get This Stuff No More. They still could do that kind of stuff.

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    [QUOTE=Nitro Express;1940249]
    Quote Originally Posted by silverfish View Post

    The problem is the Van Halen's still can play high energy music. Hey those guys could write an album of different songs where Dave could sing them at a lower range with some swagger. Kind of like Can't Get This Stuff No More. They still could do that kind of stuff.
    I think so.

    I liked those two 1996 Roth BOV1 tracks. I'd be more than content with an album of originals that had the quality level of those two tracks.

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    The problem with Dave is he was a very high energy frontman. He’s old with some back problems and he’s smoked too many cigarettes and joints. He can’t do it anymore. Granted he”s in great shape for what he is but Mick Jager can pull it off still and with Dave something is just amiss. /QUOTE]

    You might be onto something here. Mick today is the same as Mick 10/20/30 years ago.
    He's doing his twitchy little scarecrow thing and it works cause that's all he's got (besides
    his voice) and he's perfected it. Go with what you know & keep it simple.

    Dave on the other hand was the ultimate frontman and perhaps that kinda stuff doesn't
    translate well when he's/you're into your 50/60s. The crowd might want/expect his old
    rap/stories but that shit is so dated and there is really nothing "new" he could replace
    it with to satisfy the masses.
    I think that operation has taken a lot out of Mick, he looks a little tired in some of the footage I've seen,
    which is understandable. He is certainly not the Mick Jagger of 20 years ago.
    Keith Richards on the other hand, looks like he's sleepwalking his way
    through some of these concerts.

    As for Dave, I think in the studio he's still a very capable singer and lyric writer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The problem with Dave is he was a very high energy frontman. He’s old with some back problems and he’s smoked too many cigarettes and joints. He can’t do it anymore. Granted he”s in great shape for what he is but Mick Jager can pull it off still and with Dave something is just amiss. I think if you saw VH in the old days we still expect that and seeing Dave tying real hard but it ain’t there is a bit disappointing.
    I agree with much of this, and that ties into what silverfish was saying in that the stuff Roth was doing while he was in his 20s and 30s onstage just isn't translating well now that he is in his 60s. Probably in no small part because Dave just can't execute the physicality of his heyday live anymore: Dave just got old. Although having seen Roth semi-frequently live including and since 1999, that decrease of mobility has been gradual enough to where I was able to accept it. I'd be fine with him jettisoning his onstage patter/raps inbetween tunes. He basically did that in 2007/2008, saving it all up for Dave's Storytime during the Ice Cream Man intro and it was much more effective than had he been doing it all night long prior.

    In the end, it comes down to what Vinnie Velvet said (and is a point I'm probably guilty of repeating too often), in that all Dave really needs to do is approach the vocals the way he did on the 2007/2008 tour and it'll sound good. Just sing the tunes rather than yelling them (which is a habit he lapses into along the lines of what Nitro was saying in that he mixes shit up because he's possibly bored singing the stuff).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    ...in that all Dave really needs to do is approach the vocals the way he did on the 2007/2008 tour and it'll sound good. Just sing the tunes rather than yelling them (which is a habit he lapses into along the lines of what Nitro was saying in that he mixes shit up because he's possibly bored singing the stuff).
    I wonder if this has something to do with Dave's hearing maybe going, and not reading the monitors well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I wonder if this has something to do with Dave's hearing maybe going, and not reading the monitors well?
    Maybe, but that doesn't seem like it explains his choice to yell rather than sing.

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    Thing of it is...for me, yes, to be sure Dave always gave witty interviews. Spectacular frontman in terms of the onstage karate moves and being "the toastmaster of the immoral majority" and a colorful personality.

    Ultimately, though, while all of those aspects mentioned above were part of the package, the essence of it for me as a fan has always been the music.

    And the last twenty years haven't seen much by way of actual music from Dave. What have we got since 1999? Bar-B-Que, which had some odd images, also had some good musical stuff on it. Diamond Dave CD...mmm, not so much on it that I connected with (really only one or two tracks to be honest). Van Strumming? Pass. ADKOT was fair to good. Tokyo Dome isn't something I'm ever going to want to hear again.

    This is probably why the recent tattoo wax interview series just isn't much of interest to me: let's hear some music from Dave. Even if it's just old unreleased solo material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Thing of it is...for me, yes, to be sure Dave always gave witty interviews. Spectacular frontman in terms of the onstage karate moves and being "the toastmaster of the immoral majority" and a colorful personality.

    Ultimately, though, while all of those aspects mentioned above were part of the package, the essence of it for me as a fan has always been the music.

    And the last twenty years haven't seen much by way of actual music from Dave. What have we got since 1999? Bar-B-Que, which had some odd images, also had some good musical stuff on it. Diamond Dave CD...mmm, not so much on it that I connected with (really only one or two tracks to be honest). Van Strumming? Pass. ADKOT was fair to good. Tokyo Dome isn't something I'm ever going to want to hear again.

    This is probably why the recent tattoo wax interview series just isn't much of interest to me: let's hear some music from Dave. Even if it's just old unreleased solo material.
    Ha! Ha! Without a record label to keep a leash on Dave I don’t think the man can stay focused on anything for very long. Dave lives like a rich trust fund kid. Doesn’t have to mak a living so he dabbles in weirdness to cure his boredom.

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    Originally fucking posted by, Seshmeister
    Dave is on the latest Marc Maron WTF Podcast...


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    Look, just leave Boy George out of it, okay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Look, just leave Boy George out of it, okay?
    LMFAO missed that!

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    Terry, I can understand your driving to the show, but from it... Unless you were more reliable than the others, and/or you're not into getting stoned anymore.

    I've never been totally drunk or stoned at any concert btw, I would have been too pissed not to enjoy or remember the show properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jérôme Frenchise View Post
    Terry, I can understand your driving to the show, but from it... Unless you were more reliable than the others, and/or you're not into getting stoned anymore.

    I've never been totally drunk or stoned at any concert btw, I would have been too pissed not to enjoy or remember the show properly.
    By the time 1999 rolled around, I was cleaned up save for alcohol and even by that point I wasn't drinking much anymore. So, 1999 and on it wasn't any big deal to drive to a concert, see the show, then go home. Point of fact, I don't think I had anything alcohol-wise for either of the 2008 and 2012 Van Halen shows I saw, and I didn't think twice about it: past ten years or so, I just plain don't drink much by way of alcohol anymore. Maybe 3 or 4 times a year, and I'll usually get a good buzz on when I do. Last time I got seriously drunk was maybe a year and a half ago at a house party 2 blocks down the street from my house. Went there (actually, walked over there) just intending to stay for an hour or so, ended up leaving 5 hours later after many different types of hard liquor drinks were imbibed. Honestly, it was kind of embarrassing, because I was mixing all of these various types of booze like I was new to drinking...and I knew better. Last drink that put me over the edge was a couple of shots of Fireball - whatever the fuck that was - I have very little memory of walking home, and ended up puking (like, puking to the point where I couldn't breathe) in the bathtub and passing out on the bathroom floor. Woke up the next afternoon and determined that was the last time I was gonna power drink like that anymore. Fuck it. I don't need the headache.

    In the 1980s, in my teens, I was usually mildly stoned at shows. Or slightly drunk. Or both. Van Halen 1984 I was fairly stoned AND drunk, but not falling down or fucked up to the point where I couldn't function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    By the time 1999 rolled around, I was cleaned up save for alcohol and even by that point I wasn't drinking much anymore. So, 1999 and on it wasn't any big deal to drive to a concert, see the show, then go home. Point of fact, I don't think I had anything alcohol-wise for either of the 2008 and 2012 Van Halen shows I saw, and I didn't think twice about it: past ten years or so, I just plain don't drink much by way of alcohol anymore. Maybe 3 or 4 times a year, and I'll usually get a good buzz on when I do. Last time I got seriously drunk was maybe a year and a half ago at a house party 2 blocks down the street from my house. Went there (actually, walked over there) just intending to stay for an hour or so, ended up leaving 5 hours later after many different types of hard liquor drinks were imbibed. Honestly, it was kind of embarrassing, because I was mixing all of these various types of booze like I was new to drinking...and I knew better. Last drink that put me over the edge was a couple of shots of Fireball - whatever the fuck that was - I have very little memory of walking home, and ended up puking (like, puking to the point where I couldn't breathe) in the bathtub and passing out on the bathroom floor. Woke up the next afternoon and determined that was the last time I was gonna power drink like that anymore. Fuck it. I don't need the headache.

    In the 1980s, in my teens, I was usually mildly stoned at shows. Or slightly drunk. Or both. Van Halen 1984 I was fairly stoned AND drunk, but not falling down or fucked up to the point where I couldn't function.
    I had a really good fake ID when I was 17 and the drinking age was 19 then. I used to go to the liquor store and buy all sorts of stuff, go to clubs, threw some huge parties when the parents were gone. By the time I was 24 I was pretty much done with the wild partying. You out grow the drinking and I did pretty early. I actually view heavy binge drinking as high school/college stuff. When I see people in their 50's or older acting like a bunch of high school kids it's pretty pathetic actually. Heck if I tried to drink like I was did when I was 19 I would end up in the emergency room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I had a really good fake ID when I was 17 and the drinking age was 19 then. I used to go to the liquor store and buy all sorts of stuff, go to clubs, threw some huge parties when the parents were gone. By the time I was 24 I was pretty much done with the wild partying. You out grow the drinking and I did pretty early. I actually view heavy binge drinking as high school/college stuff. When I see people in their 50's or older acting like a bunch of high school kids it's pretty pathetic actually. Heck if I tried to drink like I was did when I was 19 I would end up in the emergency room.
    Mid teens to mid 20s I was fucked up fairly frequently. Definitely the apex of my partying.

    Was more of a binge drinker than a social one, and continued a bit of drinking up until about 30. After 30, I tapered off. Last half decade or so, if I get really drunk, I'm useless the following day. When I do drink now once in a blue moon, I'll have a couple to a few and get a light to moderate buzz. It's far more enjoyable. Usually these days, it never even crosses my mind TO have a drink.

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    Y'all are starting to sound really old... lighten up!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Y'all are starting to sound really old... lighten up!!
    I've been 39 and holding for ten years...

    No getting around it: I'm not quite old, but I'm VERY middle aged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I've been 39 and holding for ten years...

    No getting around it: I'm not quite old, but I'm VERY middle aged.
    I self-identify as 48...

    I struggle more with the actual number attached to the birthday, mentally than anything. When I assess my actual capabilities... I haven't been better! The only difference is I'm generally more honest and respectful of pushing my physical capabilities any more. I just listen to the common sense voice in my head that I used to ignore in my younger days...

    I really think Dave and the Van Halen brothers need to get out and work... there's a whole lot of truth and wisdom that going idle in your later years just lets the aging process take hold both mentally and physically. Accomplishment will fuel the fire within...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I self-identify as 48...

    I struggle more with the actual number attached to the birthday, mentally than anything. When I assess my actual capabilities... I haven't been better! The only difference is I'm generally more honest and respectful of pushing my physical capabilities any more. I just listen to the common sense voice in my head that I used to ignore in my younger days...

    I really think Dave and the Van Halen brothers need to get out and work... there's a whole lot of truth and wisdom that going idle in your later years just lets the aging process take hold both mentally and physically. Accomplishment will fuel the fire within...
    I'll be 50 in just over 6 months from now.

    I've definitely noticed in the last couple of years that I can't eat and drink like I used to, in terms of eating a lot of rich foods day after day or drinking booze day after day, without consequences in terms of how I feel physically. I enjoy a good nap these days, and I haven't had to struggle with any of the physical ailments Eddie Van Halen has over the last 20 years, so I can only guess that he might enjoy taking it easy just as much as I do (if not more).

    I can only imagine what it will be like 15 years from now, when I get up to where the Van Halens and Roth are today in terms of age. One does tend to think, as you say, that staying active as you age helps one age better. There really doesn't seem to be much of a sense of urgency from Van Halen anymore in terms of accomplishing anything, and certainly seeing them getting out and working like they have a purpose again would be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I'll be 50 in just over 6 months from now.

    I've definitely noticed in the last couple of years that I can't eat and drink like I used to, in terms of eating a lot of rich foods day after day or drinking booze day after day, without consequences in terms of how I feel physically. I enjoy a good nap these days, and I haven't had to struggle with any of the physical ailments Eddie Van Halen has over the last 20 years, so I can only guess that he might enjoy taking it easy just as much as I do (if not more).

    I can only imagine what it will be like 15 years from now, when I get up to where the Van Halens and Roth are today in terms of age. One does tend to think, as you say, that staying active as you age helps one age better. There really doesn't seem to be much of a sense of urgency from Van Halen anymore in terms of accomplishing anything, and certainly seeing them getting out and working like they have a purpose again would be nice.
    Think of your age in terms of Roth, last year you did the tour with Sammy Hagar and did your final jumps off the drum riser of your career.

    in 4 years time you are going to rejoin Van Halen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I've been 39 and holding for ten years...

    No getting around it: I'm not quite old, but I'm VERY middle aged.
    As long as you live to be 98...

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