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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    The answer to the question isn't much but it says a lot...

    4 years of down time wasn't doing Dave any damn good and he's running out of time. Dave's motivated and still feels capable to get out and perform. Good for him!!

    The Van Halens don't have it in em... probably time to start drafting eulogies, tribute shows and making sure their trusts and wills are in order. May they RIP...

    Always figured Dave would return to Vegas... it's one of the few places on the planet where his shit is a guaranteed sell. They'll fill the seats every night for this run as there's plenty of fans willing to drop less than $100 to see the Toastmaster General.

    The performances will most likely fall somewhere near but not quite as good as the pre-reunion DLR Band gigs from a musical perspective. The cheesy showmanship will be there along with some well paid, scantily dressed eye-candy props. And...

    Dave will Yelp the Night Away™...
    After steak and martinis at Oscar’s I will head to the Hard Rock to watch Dave yelp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    For me, seeing an act in an arena vs. a smaller venue comes down to the live sound.

    Honestly, the only 2 acts I've seen in the last decade at our local 20,000 seat basketball/hockey arena that really sounded any good - and this includes seeing Van Halen there twice in that time frame - were Neil Diamond and Billy Joel. Wasn't a surprise to find out later that both of those guys have had their own live sound engineers and own equipment that they have been using for twenty years.

    I tend to doubt Van Halen circa 1999 onward have employed their own live sound engineers in terms of using the same one for every tour, or have their own top-to-bottom live sound system and aren't using the house P.A. to provide the majority of the live sound. If they have been, they should reconsider, because neither of the Tampa gigs in 2008 and 2012 sounded particularly good. Not the worst I've ever heard, but not really great, either.

    Ha! We saw Morris Day and The Time in a small venue and the whole place broke out into a party. People were dancing in the isles and shit. Morris was working the room. It was fun as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I saw Def Leppard at their residency at the Hard Rock Casino a few years ago... had the mid-priced seats in the balcony and it was great viewing and sound.

    The venue more than makes their money and way above the ticket price. Once you get drinks and if you spend any time gambling or partying before the show you'll drop a couple hundred easy.

    Saw Def Leppard at a state fair. They were good. Yup. Dave will draw in plenty of 50 and 60 somethings. They will drop plenty of dough at the bar, tables and slots. The shows are just something to get people into the casino. It’s like putting the milk at the back of the store. They know you will drop more money down if they just can get you in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby's On Fire View Post
    I'm surprised at the lack of comments about Dave's comments on the lack of Van Halen future and Eddie's health.

    Dave's statements are obvious with respect to the future of VH, but not the reason.

    They are retired, and done. Face it.

    I hate FB, but I did see a post an hour ago about Kody Van Halen's FB page. Normally I wouldn't even look. But there is clearly medical equipment (possibly an IV) in the background, and it is EVH playing with the dog according to the post.
    You're right. I've just checked, looks a lot like drip equipment.
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    There's speculation of rumored health issues involving Edward in the media and the few remaining fans sites... As usual, it's just speculation without any facts to support it.

    Frankly, that's fine... any person's health issues are their own private business even for famous rock musicians. I respect his privacy, wish him well and hope others would do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I saw Def Leppard at their residency at the Hard Rock Casino a few years ago... had the mid-priced seats in the balcony and it was great viewing and sound.
    With Def Leppard that just means the venue has a good MP3 player plugged into the PA...
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    Although to be fair he’s good at lip syncing just occasionally forgets like at 2:23 here.


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    So it's Vegas again...

    Quote Originally Posted by So this is love View Post
    Supply and demand. For fans of DLR, it is cheap but for everyone else it is not worth it. If Eddie was there than the venue would be different no doubt the T-mobile or MGM arena.
    Not really. 8 shows to 2000 people at $60. Why if you do 1 show to 16 000 do you need to charge twice as much for tickets? I get the casino thing but the MGM grand is a casino and it’s the same in cities without casinos in any case.

    In fact it’s so universal there must actually be a real reason about costs. It’s just a real gripe for me especially when you have to start paying for kids too. 😝
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    With Def Leppard that just means the venue has a good MP3 player plugged into the PA...
    They had some top of the line multi-track gear for sure!! LOL They did play a few of their deep cuts from pre-Pyromania pre-Mutt without all the extra crap.

    I miss Steamin Steve in that band and Allen's left arm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    There's speculation of rumored health issues involving Edward in the media and the few remaining fans sites... As usual, it's just speculation without any facts to support it.

    Frankly, that's fine... any person's health issues are their own private business even for famous rock musicians. I respect his privacy, wish him well and hope others would do the same.
    Eddie has health issues. This has been in the public domain, at least in terms of their existence, since...what? 1996?

    He's not a young man. The issues that have been in the public domain - that Eddie has commented on - include conditions that can be managed but aren't necessarily conquerable regardless of how much money one can throw at them. More along the lines of treatable than conquerable.

    Seemingly, for at least the last decade, Ed has taken reasonably good care of himself.

    It wouldn't be a shock if some of these medical issues are as such at the moment (or the last few years) where Ed can't play as well as he might want to. Or maybe the guy is just old and tired and doesn't want to tour at the moment. I mean, at least for myself, Eddie Van Halen has nothing left to prove in terms of cementing his legend and establishing the range of influence he had on rock guitar.

    If the guy wants to stop touring, that's more than fine by me. Don't personally need to see him play the CVH stuff live again: for what purpose at this point? So I can hear him do Eruption and leave the arena saying "Eddie's still got it"? One would hope after 40 years of playing the thing that he has it down by now anyway, right?
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    Don't know as there's much left FOR Van Halen to do at this point.

    Be nice if Mike Anthony could rejoin, the CVH unit could put together an album of new material and take that out on the road.

    Given what the band has been able to accomplish in the last 12 years since Roth rejoined - and the inactivity of the last 4 of those 12 years - the scenario above 99.9999999999999999999% isn't going to come to pass, for whatever variety of reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    With Def Leppard that just means the venue has a good MP3 player plugged into the PA...
    Even far back as ten years ago last time I saw 'em live, they were using nearly (if not half) as much pre-recorded / "non-live" sound augmentation as they were actually generating the sounds themselves. It was only noticeable because it was so egregious. Like, say, being able to hear 4 different guitar parts when you only had two guitar players onstage. Or, hearing four or more different backing vocals on a chorus when only Savage and Joe were visibly singing into microphones. It stuck out as such because back then that was really the first instance of my having seen a band so blatantly "enhance" their live sound: doubtless other bands I had seen prior had done so to some degree, but with Leppard it was like they couldn't even be bothered to try hiding it.

    I tend to suspect that the Heaven And Hell gig I saw in 2007 had a bit of that going on as well. Either that or Ronnie, Geezer, Tony and Vinnie were just shit-hot spot-on, because that gig sounded...just a bit TOO flawless.

    I'd like to think it was the latter with those guys (I mean, would anyone be letdown to find out Leppard was faking it as opposed to RJD and the Sabs?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Although to be fair he’s good at lip syncing just occasionally forgets like at 2:23 here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post

    I miss Steamin Steve in that band and Allen's left arm...
    It just occurred to me that 'Allen's left arm' would be a fucking great name for a Def Leppard Tribute Act...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I'd like to think it was the latter with those guys (I mean, would anyone be letdown to find out Leppard was faking it as opposed to RJD and the Sabs?).
    I'm pretty sure RJD faked his last tour...

    Maybe it's because I'm old but it just totally ruins gigs for me. I'm just about ok with offstage keyboards or effects as long as they are played live. Anything to do with vocals, drums or especially guitars on tape completely ruins a show for me.

    Which if I can shoehorn this back on topic after I derailed it, is to me a really cool thing that Van Halen did on the ADKOT tour and live album. Ok it's a shame about some of vocal choices by Dave but name some other bands that have brought out an album that was actually 4 or 5 people playing live in recent times? I never hear anyone talk about the 10 or more really good versions on the Tokyo album.

    The best live act I have seen in the last few years(or longer) was the Foo Fighters this summer. Going in I was wondering jeez 3 guitarists and a keyboard player onstage seems a bit much. Then it occurred to me if that's what it takes to do their songs properly live without cheating then great. Would you want to go and see a Beethoven symphony where 7 people mime along to a tape or a 90 piece orchestra play the fucking thing?

    Now posting that I'm anxious someone is going to show me they are fake too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    For me, seeing an act in an arena vs. a smaller venue comes down to the live sound.
    One of the best VH shows I've seen was Dave at the HOB Cleveland. 15 feet or so from the stage, Brian and Toshi on guitar...

    Never seen this one! He must have been slightly to the left of us

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