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Terry (09-19-2019)
Saw Def Leppard at a state fair. They were good. Yup. Dave will draw in plenty of 50 and 60 somethings. They will drop plenty of dough at the bar, tables and slots. The shows are just something to get people into the casino. It’s like putting the milk at the back of the store. They know you will drop more money down if they just can get you in.
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There's speculation of rumored health issues involving Edward in the media and the few remaining fans sites... As usual, it's just speculation without any facts to support it.
Frankly, that's fine... any person's health issues are their own private business even for famous rock musicians. I respect his privacy, wish him well and hope others would do the same.
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Nickdfresh (09-15-2019),Terry (09-15-2019)
Although to be fair he’s good at lip syncing just occasionally forgets like at 2:23 here.
Nickdfresh (09-15-2019),Terry (09-28-2019)
Not really. 8 shows to 2000 people at $60. Why if you do 1 show to 16 000 do you need to charge twice as much for tickets? I get the casino thing but the MGM grand is a casino and it’s the same in cities without casinos in any case.
In fact it’s so universal there must actually be a real reason about costs. It’s just a real gripe for me especially when you have to start paying for kids too. 😝
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Eddie has health issues. This has been in the public domain, at least in terms of their existence, since...what? 1996?
He's not a young man. The issues that have been in the public domain - that Eddie has commented on - include conditions that can be managed but aren't necessarily conquerable regardless of how much money one can throw at them. More along the lines of treatable than conquerable.
Seemingly, for at least the last decade, Ed has taken reasonably good care of himself.
It wouldn't be a shock if some of these medical issues are as such at the moment (or the last few years) where Ed can't play as well as he might want to. Or maybe the guy is just old and tired and doesn't want to tour at the moment. I mean, at least for myself, Eddie Van Halen has nothing left to prove in terms of cementing his legend and establishing the range of influence he had on rock guitar.
If the guy wants to stop touring, that's more than fine by me. Don't personally need to see him play the CVH stuff live again: for what purpose at this point? So I can hear him do Eruption and leave the arena saying "Eddie's still got it"? One would hope after 40 years of playing the thing that he has it down by now anyway, right?
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Don't know as there's much left FOR Van Halen to do at this point.
Be nice if Mike Anthony could rejoin, the CVH unit could put together an album of new material and take that out on the road.
Given what the band has been able to accomplish in the last 12 years since Roth rejoined - and the inactivity of the last 4 of those 12 years - the scenario above 99.9999999999999999999% isn't going to come to pass, for whatever variety of reasons.
Even far back as ten years ago last time I saw 'em live, they were using nearly (if not half) as much pre-recorded / "non-live" sound augmentation as they were actually generating the sounds themselves. It was only noticeable because it was so egregious. Like, say, being able to hear 4 different guitar parts when you only had two guitar players onstage. Or, hearing four or more different backing vocals on a chorus when only Savage and Joe were visibly singing into microphones. It stuck out as such because back then that was really the first instance of my having seen a band so blatantly "enhance" their live sound: doubtless other bands I had seen prior had done so to some degree, but with Leppard it was like they couldn't even be bothered to try hiding it.
I tend to suspect that the Heaven And Hell gig I saw in 2007 had a bit of that going on as well. Either that or Ronnie, Geezer, Tony and Vinnie were just shit-hot spot-on, because that gig sounded...just a bit TOO flawless.
I'd like to think it was the latter with those guys (I mean, would anyone be letdown to find out Leppard was faking it as opposed to RJD and the Sabs?).
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DavidLeeNatra (09-16-2019),ZahZoo (09-20-2019)
I'm pretty sure RJD faked his last tour...
Maybe it's because I'm old but it just totally ruins gigs for me. I'm just about ok with offstage keyboards or effects as long as they are played live. Anything to do with vocals, drums or especially guitars on tape completely ruins a show for me.
Which if I can shoehorn this back on topic after I derailed it, is to me a really cool thing that Van Halen did on the ADKOT tour and live album. Ok it's a shame about some of vocal choices by Dave but name some other bands that have brought out an album that was actually 4 or 5 people playing live in recent times? I never hear anyone talk about the 10 or more really good versions on the Tokyo album.
The best live act I have seen in the last few years(or longer) was the Foo Fighters this summer. Going in I was wondering jeez 3 guitarists and a keyboard player onstage seems a bit much. Then it occurred to me if that's what it takes to do their songs properly live without cheating then great. Would you want to go and see a Beethoven symphony where 7 people mime along to a tape or a 90 piece orchestra play the fucking thing?
Now posting that I'm anxious someone is going to show me they are fake too...
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The man lived hard. How many cigarettes and joints got sucked into those lungs? How much cocaine went up that nose? How many gallons of liquor did that liver have tp process? Not to mention probably a poor diet to boot. I don't think EVH was into eating vegetables. All this takes it's toll.
I've seen plenty of people on their death beds. When they get the bad news or go on hospice the last thing they think about is the career. It's all about family at that point. Is the surviving spouse and kids going to be taken care of? A lot of reflection on what kind life you lived and typically a lot of guilt over not being a good parent or spouse sets in and a last minute effort to resolve past sins is made. In short it gets real and things that were neglected due to work and hobbies tend to become more important.
If Eddie is at that point in life, believe me; the last thing on his mind is the band and going out on tour.
Terry (09-16-2019)
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That clip you posted was right around the same date that I saw Roth in Orlando in 2006, with Brian and Toshi both on guitar.
GREAT solo gig. Point of fact, I enjoyed that gig even more than seeing Roth open for Bad Company when he was promoting the DLR Band album (of which he played Slam Dunk, and that was it off that album), or the Sam and Dave tour or the outdoor Ribfest Roth gig I saw in 2005 in St. Pete (which also featured Brian and Toshi on guitar). Orlando 2006 was easily the most enjoyable post-1996 debacle Roth solo show I saw.
One can't say that the Tokyo Dome album suffered from any post-performance retouching/studio dubbing: VERY warts-and-all.
Vocals were rough, but as you say, at least you know you're listening to what was played that night.
I'd tend to doubt the Foos fake it. I'm hardly a diehard Foo fan, but even so I'll readily admit those guys are the real deal.
Feel the same way in terms of live vs. pre-recorded "augmentation": if a band can't generate a decent live sound with the musicians they have ontage, at least have the fortitude to flat-out admit it. Otherwise, it's a false pretense, and "everyone else is doing it" doesn't cut it with me.
I get WHY these older rock acts have been doing it. Playing tunes live that they were able to 30 years ago without audio assistance is probably tough work for dudes in their 50s, 60s and beyond. For me, if they can't do it anymore, they aren't getting my money by miming half or better of what is coming through the P.A. ESPECIALLY (as you said) where the core instrumentation (drums/bass/guitar) and vocals (lead AND backing) are concerned. If it comes to that, I just won't bother attending...I'd rather not see a band I have liked for decades faking it because they got old, can't cut it live anymore yet still need to sell tickets at $100 a pop to maintain their lifestyles. Get somebody else's ticket money. It's not like there's a shortage of people willing to compromise and listen to pre-taped performances, or they just don't care one way or the other: let THEM keep these rock geezers in style.
Really aren't any aging acts left out there that I still feel I HAVE to see to the point where I'll tolerate faux-miming, anyway.
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Terry (09-28-2019)
All speculation, but I can see the logic to Trunk's thinking.
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The truth of the matter is most the people who entertained us in our high school and college years are in their 70's and 60's. Most lived their life hard. Probably the guy that should get the "I'm still alive so kiss my ass!" award is Ginger Baker. Crazy Ginger is 80 years old. The reality folks is we are going to get a flood of news reports of rock and roll artists passing away. Also what has killed rock and roll is not that there isn't any talent or any interest. It's because there is no mass medium like radio all the kids listen to. We grew up with the local radio stations and DJ's. They promoted the songs and bands. That's gone. Right now media is fragmented. There isn't the centralized promotion there used to be. Rock and Roll needed radio and that's gone now. What killed rock and roll? The internet did in more ways than one. Now we are wondering if the internet has been an asset or if it's going to morph into a big surveillance that micromanages us. In fact, some are saying the fun days of the internet are gone. Social media killed it.
Maybe the internet will fuck itself to death and we all go offline and get bored and go gee, "That guy can really play that guitar and that guy can really sing and rock and roll grows out of the slime again."
Terry (09-19-2019)
But Dave Roth owes me nothing. He always showed up when I bought a VH ticket. He wrote some great lyrics and inspired some great songs and videos. Dave came around at the right time. He's the toast master general of my high school years and after I graduated high school the band fell apart. 1984 was the end of high school for me and the end of Van Halen.
Terry (09-19-2019)
I agree. But someone needs to tell Dave. He isn't aware. He thinks he's still Diamond Dave. He's not. He's become Liberace.
If he would just act normal, he would still fascinate me. This mile-a-second gibberish is unlistenable. It's not entertaining It's not intellectual.
He is trying to be something he is not.
The best interview I ever saw or heard from Dave post-VH was on Joe Rogan, around 2014 or 2015 He was wearing his overalls and cap. Acting like a real, normal person.
That is the DLR I want to see. I want to hear about his travels. Things that happened in the jungle and Himalayas, etc. His exercise habits, which apparently used to be hardcore. He has always avoided talking about things like that.
Kayaking stories in Cambodia (where I believe he went in 1997 or so).
On and on. Real David Roth.
No more with the fucking fake schtick and sparkly purple-fucking-jackets.
Dave has always been his own worst enemy. He refuses to see himself as how he really is and perceived.
Anyway…..VH is over. And I don't care because it ended in 1984 as you said.
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I’m a little behind the curve because I’m not online much anymore. Although this evening I did see Dave’s “”Rocks Las Vegas” video in my feed this afternoon. So...after playing an hour of Classic Donkey Kong on my full size arcade game, which also has 59 other games I absolutely suck at, I listened to the latest Roth Show (maybe latest? I don’t know).
I was alternately excited and disappointed. Kinda like my relationship with my last girlfriend. I was bored out of my mind most of the time but still hoping for some magic. I would say “at least Dave’s doing something, anything.” But...i’ll Wait for the “it’s youtube” videos where everybody makes excuses. Or maybe i’ll Be surprised. Not like that chick shows up on a Friday nite surprised. Maybe Dave really has worked on his shit. That’s what I’m hoping for.
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Best Roth interview imo....
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Which Trunk says, several times, in terms of it all being speculation...primarily because (as Trunk also said) the band doesn't address...anything. Outside of the Smithsonian thing, has anybody from the Van Halen camp outside of Dave made a peep since the 2015 tour?
But Trunk also points out that Van Halen has been pretty erratic in the last 25 years far as working anyway, basically since Eddie first started having health issues that were made public in 1996. Then again, who the fuck knows? I get the feeling Roth doesn't even know much about what is going on with the Van Halens anymore.
If Dave wants to play/perform, he should. If the Van Halens don't (or can't), then Roth can always play with other musicians. I don't particularly get the feeling that Roth asked for the Van Halens blessings with this upcoming Vegas stint. It feels more like Roth got tired of doing nothing and hearing nothing, and finally wanted to do something.
I did hear on a terrestrial morning radio show audio excerpts from a recent interview Roth gave where he claimed he "came up with" the guitar solos for RWTD and Jamie's Crying, in terms of...something along the lines of telling Eddie what to play where those songs were concerned...which was the first time I can recall Roth taking claim for what EDDIE was doing where CVH was concerned. And he said he [Roth] had as much right as anybody to go out and play those CVH songs with whomever, because he designed all the album covers, wrote all the lyrics and melodies, etc. etc. All of which were aspects of CVH he claimed authorship of before.
I'd imagine if one attends with expectations tempered, has a few drinks before the show and isn't anticipating too much by way of comparison with what Roth was able to do live in 1984 (or even 2008), it should be a fun night out.
If nothing else, Roth is always good for a laugh and a goof.
Wacky Old Uncle Dave then gets forcibly strapped into bed in his single room with the padded walls. The door is slammed shut, and Dave looks up at the ceiling and goes into his It's Showtime! patter to his favorite audience of one...namely himself:
"Hey, heard you missed me. Well, I'm back! Somebody get me a doctor!!! No, really, my bedpan is full and my spandex adult diapers are leaking!!! Look at all the people here tonight!!!! [affects old bluesman singing voice] And the band is pumpin' WOOO And the place is jumpin' WOOO [back to his regular voice] liveinfrontofyournakedsteamingeyesfromtheTrembling HillsRestHomeit'syourToastmasteroftheImmoralMajori tyandMasterofCeremoniestheoneandonlyalltimegreates trockfrontmanDiamondDavidLeeRoth!!!!!!!!!!andnowfo rmynextsongatuneyoumightrememberfrommyfirstfulllen gth1986soloalbumEat'EmAndSmile...two three four HIT IT!!
Goin' Crazy...Goin' Crazy...everybody now...Goin' Crazy'...Goin' Crazy
The meds kick in, Dave passes out safely strapped onto his bed and the other residents go back to playing bingo and watching Matlock.
[QUOTE=Terry;1940633]I'd imagine if one attends with expectations tempered, has a few drinks before the show and isn't anticipating too much by way of comparison with what Roth was able to do live in 1984 (or even 2008), it should be a fun night out.
If nothing else, Roth is always good for a laugh and a goof.[/QUOTE
Dave will have his buddy Charlie Sheen there telling him he’s winning!
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