So it's Vegas again...

[Terry]

I’m going to have enough drinks in me that Dave singing out of key while jacking off his junk to the 60 year old ladies with saggy tits in the front row will seem like it was worth the $64.

I'd imagine if one attends with expectations tempered, has a few drinks before the show and isn't anticipating too much by way of comparison with what Roth was able to do live in 1984 (or even 2008), it should be a fun night out.

If nothing else, Roth is always good for a laugh and a goof.

[Terry]

He’s heading into crazy old man territory. He’s going to be hell on wheels at the assisted living home. Dave will dance around with no shirt on and press up against the ladies and say,”Is that a microphone in my pants or am I just happy to see you?”

He then turns to the orderly running toward him with the extra-long sleeved 'restraining vest' and says, "Hey, don't be putting no strait jacket on ME, man! I'm gonna take ten Viagra, wait 30 minutes and then try and fuck your girlfriend, pal!"

[Terry]

Wacky Old Uncle Dave then gets forcibly strapped into bed in his single room with the padded walls. The door is slammed shut, and Dave looks up at the ceiling and goes into his It's Showtime! patter to his favorite audience of one...namely himself:

"Hey, heard you missed me. Well, I'm back! Somebody get me a doctor!!! No, really, my bedpan is full and my spandex adult diapers are leaking!!! Look at all the people here tonight!!!! [affects old bluesman singing voice] And the band is pumpin' WOOO And the place is jumpin' WOOO [back to his regular voice] liveinfrontofyournakedsteamingeyesfromtheTrembling HillsRestHomeit'syourToastmasteroftheImmoralMajori tyandMasterofCeremoniestheoneandonlyalltimegreates trockfrontmanDiamondDavidLeeRoth!!!!!!!!!!andnowfo rmynextsongatuneyoumightrememberfrommyfirstfulllen gth1986soloalbumEat'EmAndSmile...two three four HIT IT!!

Goin' Crazy...Goin' Crazy...everybody now...Goin' Crazy'...Goin' Crazy



The meds kick in, Dave passes out safely strapped onto his bed and the other residents go back to playing bingo and watching Matlock.

[Nitro Express]

[QUOTE=Terry;1940633]I'd imagine if one attends with expectations tempered, has a few drinks before the show and isn't anticipating too much by way of comparison with what Roth was able to do live in 1984 (or even 2008), it should be a fun night out.

If nothing else, Roth is always good for a laugh and a goof.[/QUOTE

Dave will have his buddy Charlie Sheen there telling him he’s winning!

[Seshmeister]

I'd imagine if one attends with expectations tempered, has a few drinks before the show and isn't anticipating too much by way of comparison with what Roth was able to do live in 1984 (or even 2008), it should be a fun night out.

If nothing else, Roth is always good for a laugh and a goof.

Absolutely.

What will happen though is a thousand reviews from people sitting watching cell phone footage on YouTube in their spare room on a wet Monday night after work.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Which Trunk says, several times, in terms of it all being speculation...primarily because (as Trunk also said) the band doesn't address...anything. Outside of the Smithsonian thing, has anybody from the Van Halen camp outside of Dave made a peep since the 2015 tour?

But Trunk also points out that Van Halen has been pretty erratic in the last 25 years far as working anyway, basically since Eddie first started having health issues that were made public in 1996. Then again, who the fuck knows? I get the feeling Roth doesn't even know much about what is going on with the Van Halens anymore.

If Dave wants to play/perform, he should. If the Van Halens don't (or can't), then Roth can always play with other musicians. I don't particularly get the feeling that Roth asked for the Van Halens blessings with this upcoming Vegas stint. It feels more like Roth got tired of doing nothing and hearing nothing, and finally wanted to do something.

I did hear on a terrestrial morning radio show audio excerpts from a recent interview Roth gave where he claimed he "came up with" the guitar solos for RWTD and Jamie's Crying, in terms of...something along the lines of telling Eddie what to play where those songs were concerned...which was the first time I can recall Roth taking claim for what EDDIE was doing where CVH was concerned. And he said he [Roth] had as much right as anybody to go out and play those CVH songs with whomever, because he designed all the album covers, wrote all the lyrics and melodies, etc. etc. All of which were aspects of CVH he claimed authorship of before.

This isn't anything new. All members of the Army here and longtime CVH/Roth fans know how much Dave contributed to CVH.

We all know Ed was a genius guitar player - riff master along with blazing solos.

But he could not construct a song to save his fucking life. That's where Dave came in. I have no doubt Dave helped Ed structure his solos - as in "do a take of it here and then we are going to have that repeat again after the chorus."

This is why Van Hagar was so vastly different to CVH.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

... and Spammy sucked, incidentally.

[Nitro Express]

Too bad Dave isn’t playing in Macau. Play some pai gow poker. See Dave shake his junk at the Asian ladies and then go hit the town looking for trouble with Deng Ho Yang.

[Nitro Express]

... and Spammy sucked, incidentally.

Sammy suck long time.

[Nitro Express]

This isn't anything new. All members of the Army here and longtime CVH/Roth fans know how much Dave contributed to CVH.

We all know Ed was a genius guitar player - riff master along with blazing solos.

But he could not construct a song to save his fucking life. That's where Dave came in. I have no doubt Dave helped Ed structure his solos - as in "do a take of it here and then we are going to have that repeat again after the chorus."

This is why Van Hagar was so vastly different to CVH.

Van Halen 3 showed what a sucky song writer Ed is. Ed is great at masturbating but someone needs to turn Ed’s masturbation into art. Without help Ed is just a self-stroking mess.

[Terry]

This isn't anything new. All members of the Army here and longtime CVH/Roth fans know how much Dave contributed to CVH.

We all know Ed was a genius guitar player - riff master along with blazing solos.

But he could not construct a song to save his fucking life. That's where Dave came in. I have no doubt Dave helped Ed structure his solos - as in "do a take of it here and then we are going to have that repeat again after the chorus."

This is why Van Hagar was so vastly different to CVH.

Yeah, but by that logic, Roth should have been able to perform the same function for Steve Vai when Eat 'Em And Smile came around, rather than just let Vai basically jack off with his instrument as fast as he could for solo after solo. Thus, while I don't undercut Roth's contributions to Van Halen, the idea that he needed to tell Eddie what to play because Eddie wouldn't have figured it out otherwise...it's a bit much, don't you think?

Ed was more than adept at constructing songs, coming up with riffs, rhythms and hooks and the like. Sure, one imagines Roth would suggest putting riffs or rhythm parts that Eddie came up with in a different order at times. That's a far cry from how Dave was coming off in the interview at times, where he was kinda trying to portray himself as the "Mastermind of Van Halen." It's like, take a break from your ego, Dave: we all know how important your contributions were to the band...no need to oversell it.

Ed couldn't construct a song to save his life? So, in terms of Van Halen's biggest single, Jump...Dave didn't even LIKE that tune. Ed came up with it and Ed had to push to have it recorded...still sticking by your theory, there?

[DONNIEP]

Which Trunk says, several times, in terms of it all being speculation...primarily because (as Trunk also said) the band doesn't address...anything. Outside of the Smithsonian thing, has anybody from the Van Halen camp outside of Dave made a peep since the 2015 tour?

But Trunk also points out that Van Halen has been pretty erratic in the last 25 years far as working anyway, basically since Eddie first started having health issues that were made public in 1996. Then again, who the fuck knows? I get the feeling Roth doesn't even know much about what is going on with the Van Halens anymore.

If Dave wants to play/perform, he should. If the Van Halens don't (or can't), then Roth can always play with other musicians. I don't particularly get the feeling that Roth asked for the Van Halens blessings with this upcoming Vegas stint. It feels more like Roth got tired of doing nothing and hearing nothing, and finally wanted to do something.

I did hear on a terrestrial morning radio show audio excerpts from a recent interview Roth gave where he claimed he "came up with" the guitar solos for RWTD and Jamie's Crying, in terms of...something along the lines of telling Eddie what to play where those songs were concerned...which was the first time I can recall Roth taking claim for what EDDIE was doing where CVH was concerned. And he said he [Roth] had as much right as anybody to go out and play those CVH songs with whomever, because he designed all the album covers, wrote all the lyrics and melodies, etc. etc. All of which were aspects of CVH he claimed authorship of before.

Sammy even said all Ed had were pieces of songs. And he had to piece them together, just like Dave did. I’m not knocking Ed - but I love to, limited talent, the wishing well run dry POS-but Sammy’s said the same thing. So either Dave’s a liar and Sammy’s a liar, or Ed couldn’t whistle Happy Birthday without help.

[Terry]

Van Halen 3 showed what a sucky song writer Ed is. Ed is great at masturbating but someone needs to turn Ed’s masturbation into art. Without help Ed is just a self-stroking mess.

Van Halen III was just an ego trip. I still find it hard to believe Warner Brothers released that album in the state it was in. It was almost as if nobody at the record label had the fortitude to tell Ed that the songs needed work and the mix sounded substandard.

The Van Hagar era was a bit of a different thing, where you can hear the band getting complacent...mostly because they could, partly (I think) because Ed didn't have a songwriting partner in Hagar like he did in Dave where...Ed and Sammy were too friendly. There wasn't any friction, and after Dave left and Templeman stopped producing the band there was nobody there to tell Ed he could do better or challenge him to do better. I think THAT is why there are more than a few Van Hagar tracks that sound fobbed off creatively. It was almost as if the amount of success the band attained made Ed a bit lazy. He just wasn't as hungry after Dave left in terms of wowing people with his guitar playing...like he had left the Guitar Hero mentality behind somewhat, yet what he had achieved on Van Halen's first six albums had already cemented him as a guitar hero forever in the public mind. I can't picture Sam Hagar ever saying to Eddie that anything he was presenting to the band could use a little more work...or Don Landee doing much more than basically engineering the records.

I'd agree that Ed's best stuff, to my ears anyway, resulted from having a lead singer such as Roth who was there with Ed from the beginning and wasn't intimidated by his Rock Guitar God status along with a producer like Templeman who could help hone the material. But Templeman was just as instrumental in terms of working with what Dave brought to the table as a singer as he was with the stuff Ed was coming up with.

[Nitro Express]

Yeah, but by that logic, Roth should have been able to perform the same function for Steve Vai when Eat 'Em And Smile came around, rather than just let Vai basically jack off with his instrument as fast as he could for solo after solo. Thus, while I don't undercut Roth's contributions to Van Halen, the idea that he needed to tell Eddie what to play because Eddie wouldn't have figured it out otherwise...it's a bit much, don't you think?

Ed was more than adept at constructing songs, coming up with riffs, rhythms and hooks and the like. Sure, one imagines Roth would suggest putting riffs or rhythm parts that Eddie came up with in a different order at times. That's a far cry from how Dave was coming off in the interview at times, where he was kinda trying to portray himself as the "Mastermind of Van Halen." It's like, take a break from your ego, Dave: we all know how important your contributions were to the band...no need to oversell it.
Ed couldn't construct a song to save his life? So, in terms of Van Halen's biggest single, Jump...Dave didn't even LIKE that tune. Ed came up with it and Ed had to push to have it recorded...still sticking by your theory, there?

Ted Templeman produced all of the classic VH albums and he produced Eat Em and Smile for Dave. Take that guy out of the mix and those VH albums would have been way different. The producer is like a coach. You can have great players but to be a great team you need a good coach. Dave is the quarterback bragging he won the season all by himself.

[Nitro Express]

Sammy even said all Ed had were pieces of songs. And he had to piece them together, just like Dave did. I’m not knocking Ed - but I love to, limited talent, the wishing well run dry POS-but Sammy’s said the same thing. So either Dave’s a liar and Sammy’s a liar, or Ed couldn’t whistle Happy Birthday without help.

Ed didn’t write songs. Ed wrote riffs. Ed said Alex was actually a better musician than him in the sense that Alex could structure songs better. Makes sense. The drummer lays the beat down everyone else plays on top of. So Ed would noodle and come up with riffs, play them for Alex and Alex would lay a beat down that went with the riff and give his input. They would usually have the rough song hashed out by the time they played for the singer. That’s how it pretty much worked.