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    My advice to Dave. It’s over dude. Start pimping your skin care products. You invested a lot of money into that. Sell it! You’re Jewish for hell sakes. Show Sammy you are a better salesman than he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    My advice to Dave. It’s over dude. Start pimping your skin care products. You invested a lot of money into that. Sell it! You’re Jewish for hell sakes. Show Sammy you are a better salesman than he is.
    I couldn't agree more.

    Even back to the Slawterhouse days, I was saying Dave is done. He hasn't sung a note since ALAE.

    I got slammed for saying it then, but I was right, wasn't I?

    Dave should have gone out on top as far as singing. He had and still has many other talents I admire.

    Singing is none ofthem. He sounds awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfish View Post
    Wonder if Eddie Trunk thinks DLR really forgot the words to CA Girls or maybe
    now he's finally in on the joke?...
    I think on this occasion it was genuine I think he missed his cue and got lost in the first verse.

    Would that spoil the show for anyone?
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    I've always felt embarrassed with his forgetting the lyrics. Never made me laugh: I've always thought Dave wasn't doing the hardest thing on stage ( except for the acrobatics ), pisses me when, listening to a bootleg, he misses his part, while the other three are delivering... But hey, that's part of Dave's performance, can't help it.

    Can't help yelping it, too, these days.
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    Roth is 65????
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    Dave actually sang Big Train, Tobacco Road, and Mean Street fairly well.

    He needs to lay off the high register. I don't think he really means to go there all the time.

    He does when he feels like he has to belt out the song like on the album. But for some tunes that aint gonna work. Hell he never sang those tunes like on the album back in the day anyway.

    He most certainly can still sing better than Coverdale and Stanley. So why should Dave hang it up? I say keep going.

    Fuck the haters.

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    I wouldn`t consider myself a "hater" but it seems the standard for these rock singers is getting lower and lower as they age...unless these youtube clips are not really representative of the live performance...
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    I just watched Big Train from the first show again.

    Dave is really good on this one. Again, if he stays within a certain range and away from too much yelping.

    If he has trouble with DTNA, just drop it already. Replace it with another solo jam. How about Little Texas from DLR Band?

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    I see a lot of effort. By everyone but the singer.....pack it in Dave. Or put in some effort like 07/08. Sad.
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    The problem, as I see it, is that he gets this big promotional ball rolling, then doesn’t bother to personally prepare, either by taking care of his voice, learning the lyrics or apparently even rehearsing much. The band is obviously tight, rehearsed and competent.
    I’ll bet he rehearsed with them maybe once or twice tops .

    Roth blew a big opportuninity to make a strong first impression.

    Maybe he thinks he’ll get over by just being “Dave”
    It won’t work as well as he thinks it will.
    There’s still a market for that old Van Halen. People will buy it but it can’t suck as much as it did Wednesday or it’s gonna be a short summer
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    Meh.

    Band was adequate. Backing vocals sounded piped in. Lead vocals didn't.

    Vocally, about what I expected. Lots of yelping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lesfunk View Post
    The problem, as I see it, is that he gets this big promotional ball rolling, then doesn’t bother to personally prepare, either by taking care of his voice, learning the lyrics or apparently even rehearsing much. The band is obviously tight, rehearsed and competent.
    I’ll bet he rehearsed with them maybe once or twice tops .
    I know you play live too regularly and I'm sure you are correct on this.

    It's seems not coincidental that on the first Van Halen 'Reunion' tour back in 2007/8 that Dave was the best he had been since the early 80s after being in rehearsals for 2 months with the Van Halens.

    He is on record saying that since he has been singing these songs for so long he can just turn up and do it. My defence of him in this thread is just that there has been a lot of hyperbole going on about meh vocal performance being exaggerated to being the worst thing ever. That coupled with people posting online about it and the Ki$$ tour support without them realizing that he's singing and they are miming.

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    It’s more than just poor vocal performance
    I saw him missing cues that the rest of the band had obviously rehearsed, , fumbling around with the lyrics, singing the wrong verses at the wrong time, sloppy interplay with the rest of the group.
    Yes, Roth has historically used mumbling and “forgetting the fucking words” as shtick, but this didn’t feel like that. This just seemed sloppy and slapdash
    Yes, a lot of this looseness “gets worked out” with repeated performance, but in today’s cell phone, social media climate, this opening show was the biggest opportunity to show the people (who are still interested enough to potentially buy another ticket) that here’s a show worth seeing.
    I fear that he managed to to little more than reinforce the negativity of his detractors and possibly caused a reduction in future ticked sales.
    Personally, I did not go to see the 2015 Van Halen tour presicely because the Tokyo Dome album was released first and I got to hear it.
    I didn’t like what I heard on that live album and it cost Van Halen a ticket sale on my behalf
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    How can Dave not realize that he sounds awful? What's wrong with him? His ego doesn't seem as huge as when he deserved to have a huge ego, so how can he not realize he has become a joke? He is unlistenable and unwatchable.

    I'm embarrassed for him. Maybe his voice gave Eddie cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Usually you only post drunk at the start of the week.
    You're an idiot. Dave sounds so bad it's unbelievable.

    Maybe your Scottish kilt (woman's dress) is too big and it's covering your ears. It definitely muffles your brain.

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    Maybe his voice gave Eddie cancer.

    Yeah, but that was funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by lesfunk View Post
    It’s more than just poor vocal performance
    I saw him missing cues that the rest of the band had obviously rehearsed, , fumbling around with the lyrics, singing the wrong verses at the wrong time, sloppy interplay with the rest of the group.
    Yes, Roth has historically used mumbling and “forgetting the fucking words” as shtick, but this didn’t feel like that. This just seemed sloppy and slapdash
    Yes, a lot of this looseness “gets worked out” with repeated performance, but in today’s cell phone, social media climate, this opening show was the biggest opportunity to show the people (who are still interested enough to potentially buy another ticket) that here’s a show worth seeing.
    I fear that he managed to to little more than reinforce the negativity of his detractors and possibly caused a reduction in future ticked sales.
    Personally, I did not go to see the 2015 Van Halen tour presicely because the Tokyo Dome album was released first and I got to hear it.
    I didn’t like what I heard on that live album and it cost Van Halen a ticket sale on my behalf
    All true but in the room well worth $50 at Vegas prices.

    As a 'normal' person I find it weird that Dave clearly must spend literally fucking dozens of hours in the gym to keep that shit together but won't do band practice. Most people enjoy band rehearsals and view the gym as a necessary evil.

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    I’ll see what tonight’s YouTube brings me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    All true but in the room well worth $50 at Vegas prices.

    As a 'normal' person I find it weird that Dave clearly must spend literally fucking dozens of hours in the gym to keep that shit together but won't do band practice. Most people enjoy band rehearsals and view the gym as a necessary evil.
    Honestly I don’t enjoy either. But rehearsal is important when the stakes are high

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    When Eddie dies from his cancer, the headlines will read: David Lee Roth killed Eddie Van Halen. It jut took him 13 year to do it. It wasn't the metal pick in hsi mouth. It was the DLR vocal frequency.

    Absolutely fucking awful to try and listen to this.

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    Some things to consider on this especially if you are the Baby's On Fire character or similar.

    Roth is a multi millionaire and doesn't need to do this. A bunch of people are happy to go along to his show and in the room loud it will sound way better than it does recorded on a phone beside a vocal monitor. Plus you will hopefully be a bit drunk and entering into a nostalgia that you aren't pushing 50 and likely to be dead soon enough.

    If he wasn't playing then there would be a substantial amount of people complaining he wasn't like the Led Zep people.

    I'm not saying in any way don't criticize but sometimes this is a bit like you are walking along and see an advertisement for piano lessons and you go home and call the number screaming down the line 'I DON'T WANT FUCKING PIANO LESSONS!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by lesfunk View Post
    Honestly I don’t enjoy either. But rehearsal is important when the stakes are high
    Really? I'm in 2 bands but it doesn't feed and clothe me so if I didn't enjoy rehearsals I don't think I would do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Some things to consider on this especially if you are the Baby's On Fire character or similar.

    Roth is a multi millionaire and doesn't need to do this. A bunch of people are happy to go along to his show and in the room loud it will sound way better than it does recorded on a phone beside a vocal monitor. Plus you will hopefully be a bit drunk and entering into a nostalgia that you aren't pushing 50 and likely to be dead soon enough.

    If he wasn't playing then there would be a substantial amount of people complaining he wasn't like the Led Zep people.

    I'm not saying in any way don't criticize but sometimes this is a bit like you are walking along and see an advertisement for piano lessons and you go home and call the number screaming down the line 'I DON'T WANT FUCKING PIANO LESSONS!'
    Yeah I know. I agree. He doesn't need to do this. "Do this" means embarrass the fuck out of himself and destroy his awesome legacy. His ego won't allow him to go out on top.

    What the fuck is wrong with this guy? He is the ultimate rock god, and is making a fool of himself.

    He has many talents and an amazing lifestyle. And he chooses to pretend he is still Diamond Dave. He literally sounds like some guy off the street doing Karaoke on his own songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby's On Fire View Post
    Yeah I know. I agree. He doesn't need to do this. "Do this" means embarrass the fuck out of himself and destroy his awesome legacy. His ego won't allow him to go out on top.

    What the fuck is wrong with this guy? He is the ultimate rock god, and is making a fool of himself.

    He has many talents and an amazing lifestyle. And he chooses to pretend he is still Diamond Dave. He literally sounds like some guy off the street doing Karaoke on his own songs.
    I think that's why you are so upset, you seem to still as a middle aged man worship him in a weird fanboy way. That makes you resent him inevitably not being as good as he once was now he is in his mid 60s.

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    Dave should release a remix: Yelp The Night Away or Strangled Frog The Night Away.

    Fucking unbelievable that he would go in front of people with that horrible noise and not realize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Really? I'm in 2 bands but it doesn't feed and clothe me so if I didn't enjoy rehearsals I don't think I would do it.
    It’s true. I do almost all of my preparation On my own in advance .
    I work with different groups with other people who also work in different groups.
    In my world Rehearsals are few and far between.
    They’re a scheduling nightmare way too often.
    I don’t hate rehearsing per se, but it’s often impractical .
    I’ve gone on tours with no prior rehearsal. It can be anxious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I think that's why you are so upset, you seem to still as a middle aged man worship him in a weird fanboy way. That makes you resent him inevitably not being as good as he once was now he is in his mid 60s.
    You're an incoherent drunken idiot. As usual. Dave sounds like fucking shit. He has since 1993. Case closed.

    His accomplishments are amazing. And still going strong in other areas (mountaineering n his 60's, for example).

    But he needs to end his singing career. Them days long long long gone

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    About what I expected from your intellect. Go iron your kilt (Dress).

    Any man saying a kilt is not a dress probably carries a "murse" and refuses to accept he's carrying a purse.

    Does your purse match your dress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby's On Fire View Post
    How can Dave not realize that he sounds awful? What's wrong with him? His ego doesn't seem as huge as when he deserved to have a huge ego, so how can he not realize he has become a joke? He is unlistenable and unwatchable.

    I'm embarrassed for him. Maybe his voice gave Eddie cancer.
    It’s called ego and Dave has a big one. Dave is like the old dude that forgets to put on his pants when he goes out to get the mail but he still thinks he can ride the motorcycle in the garage and if he could remember where the keys are he would try.

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    It’s still early but no videos have shown up of tonight’s show yet.
    I wonder if (after all the backlash) a memo was sent down from on high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Backing vocals sounded piped in.
    I thought so, too. The way they sit in the mix...sounds like a triggered audio clip.
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    Piece of advice David on behalf of the Legacy of that 'Dave!!!' guy. Release that damn John 5 LP like now. I am not talking money but at least one thing which actually sounds really good before you butcher any interest with this current expression you're putting on stage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I think on this occasion it was genuine I think he missed his cue and got lost in the first verse.
    I posted my Trunk comment having not watched the CA Girls clip. I assumed the
    UCR "forgot the words" was referencing one of DLRs stock concert lines ("Look at
    all the people here tonight"). Clearly that wasn't the case. I watched (most of) 4
    clips - CA Girls, YRGM, DTNA, and Unchained (one of my favorite VH songs.) Just
    couldn't finish watching any of them and didn't make me wanna watch any others.

    If I was drunk and in Vegas, I might be enjoying the show. Definitely the music and
    maybe giving the vocals a boozy (on my part) pass. My suggestion - DLR should just
    be talking all the lyrics (the ones he can remember) and not even try to sing. Don't
    try to hit any notes - just use whatever growly voice he has left and talk 'em out. I
    think it'd go a lot further than his "singing" does.

    I hope these Vegas shows aren't any sort of "audition" for the KISS tour. If that's the
    case Dave might find he's suddenly got some free time on his hands come February...
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfish View Post
    I hope these Vegas shows aren't any sort of "audition" for the KISS tour. If that's the
    case Dave might find he's suddenly got some free time on his hands come February...
    You don't choose a support band based on how they sound, it's a business decision.

    Ki$$ will be happy for Dave's vocals to be off as it will just make them look better since 95% of their audience won't even realise they are miming.

    If they did know then surely they wouldn't be there...

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    Finally got to check out the opening night fan videos... I'm glad I didn't waste anytime getting to this. All I can say is...disappointing... Dave could have done far better.

    To add to some of the great commentary here... the high register bullshit and yelp nonsense are a product of two factors. Dave thinking he's adding emphasis to that vocal phrase and Dave getting excited, adrenaline kicks in and it all goes to shit... Dave forgets rule number one for vocalists. Let the power amps and the engineer do their job driving the mains. There's no throttle on a mic. Finally... old muscles lose flexibility and with adrenaline, tense up... triple that at 60+ with reduced lung capacity... that diaphragm and vocal chords just can't function smoothly unless they are relaxed. Someone close needs to be straight honest with Dave that his high register shit sounds like he's raping a damn cat and... knock it the fuck off!

    Other notes...

    Don't blame the smart phones. I've been in that room. It's solid acoustically. They have a top notch sound system. It's small enough that you get an excellent sound spectrum anywhere in the room. You're not hearing floor monitors with those vocals... guitar, bass and drums sound great... vocals are crisp and clean, a little too dry... it's the performance that's poor. I couldn't listen past the first verse & chorus of DTNA... my gawd that sucked elephant ass...

    Backing vocals are piped in... they are too consistent, on key and have a thin mix that doesn't sound organic at all. I wouldn't be surprised if Dave was using the prerecorded backing tracks Van Halen used 2007-15 that Ed, Wolfgang and Lukather recorded for the reunion tour.

    The supporting band sounded pretty competent, tonally solid and fluid... I'd say the drummer was the weak link. But we've been spoiled with Ray Luzier and Alex VH...

    Getting through this initial Vegas run Dave will have some time off and really should revisit recordings of his 2007/8 performances... call up the vocal coach he used leading up to that tour and work on putting a better vocal performance together. I truly believe Dave's capable doing far better... never will achieve his peak again, but could at least make an effort to competently deliver something decent...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I couldn't listen past the first verse & chorus of DTNA... my gawd that sucked elephant ass...
    I couldn't go further than the first 4 lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    I thought so, too. The way they sit in the mix...sounds like a triggered audio clip.
    Like, right off the bat, you could tell: a bit TOO flawless...possibly a blend of triggered audio clips and actual live onstage backing vocals.

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    Second nite sounds like a better performance...


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