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    Trump Impeachment

    I'm on catch up with this but Giuliani is fucking nuts at this point. If you were a black kid on death row and he had been your public defender that would be enough to get you off.

    If he was Nixon's lawyer he would have been on TV saying how they did Watergate and are now covering it up.

    WTF happened to that guy? Is it mental illness or is he on something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I'm on catch up with this but Giuliani is fucking nuts at this point. If you were a black kid on death row and he had been your public defender that would be enough to get you off.

    If he was Nixon's lawyer he would have been on TV saying how they did Watergate and are now covering it up.

    WTF happened to that guy? Is it mental illness or is he on something?
    Rudy is 75 and has been treated for cancer. You can tell he’s not as mentally sharp as he was when he served as Mayor of NYC and certainly not as sharp as when he was a federal prosecutor.

    Rudy was basically a prosecutor out to make a name for himself. He went after big crooks on Wall Street and he went after the mob. Rudy is a driven guy and driven guy’s have big egos.

    They take those egos into old age and those of us who have or had driven fathers who started to lose their mental capacity know what it’s like to deal with the ego plus dimentia.

    I think that’s where Rudy is. His mind is starting to go and he makes no sense but he has to show what a tough guy he is. What can I say. We have a bunch of old egomaniacs thinking they can run things. We got Trump and his crazy lawyer. We have demented Biden thinking he can be president. Before that we had fall down Hillary shooting for the big seat. Then we have a stuttering Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the house and a aging turtle as Senate majority leader.

    All these people are old and who knows what kind of medication they are on. But hell. I’m not too impressed with the young people seeking power either so you can’t win. Look at most the world’s leadership. Not much to be impressed about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Look at most the world’s leadership. Not much to be impressed about.
    This we can agree on. When you realize that the 3 people in charge of the most deadly nuclear weapons are Trump, Putin and Boris Johnson...

    Men taking the ego into their old age while their brains fail is a good point. In the US case why have a minimum age for president but no maximum?

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    Yeah...Rudy's just old. Maybe snorted too much of that WTC dust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    This we can agree on. When you realize that the 3 people in charge of the most deadly nuclear weapons are Trump, Putin and Boris Johnson...

    Men taking the ego into their old age while their brains fail is a good point. In the US case why have a minimum age for president but no maximum?
    Because age usually wasn’t a problem. Now with modern medicine people live longer. Then you have the problem the old geezors in power have to vote for a old age limit. Not going to happen.

    In theory the people should be able to take care of such problems with elections but we have political parties that keep popular candidates off the ballot and all sorts of other fun and games.

    I think we have a corruption problem and oddly enough people don’t worry about nuclear weapons anymore. They are more worried about plastic straws.

    I will be frank. We have a leadership crisis in the western world. We have a bunch of bozos in power and frankly I don’t see anyone better on the menu to replace them with. Right now we have a bunch of bozos fighting and trying to undermine each other over who get’s to run things. On top of that we are in a new Cold War racing to build more and more effective weapons. We are in a race to weaponize space and in a race to build hypersonic delivery systems and fast underwater drones.

    There is an old saying. The more things change the more they stay the same.
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    Oh well. Have a drink and enjoy the Rudy Gulliani and Adam Schiff show. Pelosi is sounding more like Porky the Pig the older she get’s. Hillary is going back on television. Maybe ol fall down will give it another run. Meanwhile we can listen to George Conway and Mitt Romney vent how much they hate Trump. Both need a blow job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Oh well. Have a drink and enjoy the Rudy Gulliani and Adam Schiff show. Pelosi is sounding more like Porky the Pig the older she get’s. Hillary is going back on television. Maybe ol fall down will give it another run. Meanwhile we can listen to George Conway and Mitt Romney vent how much they hate Trump. Both need a blow job.
    Ultimately it's the Trump show, he's the fucking retarded clown that keeps pursuing debunked conspiracy theories that his OWN staff told him to move on from. You would think that maybe after an investigation of Russia's interference in elections that Trump just might not make really fucking stupid and self-incriminating calls like this (and this is the only one that is generally known). Or maybe he shouldn't tell the Russian foreign minister that it's okay that they interfered in our elections because we do it too, which isn't really true. I guess everyone else is the problem, not the fucking assclown masquerading as a president...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Ultimately it's the Trump show, he's the fucking retarded clown that keeps pursuing debunked conspiracy theories that his OWN staff told him to move on from. You would think that maybe after an investigation of Russia's interference in elections that Trump just might not make really fucking stupid and self-incriminating calls like this (and this is the only one that is generally known). Or maybe he shouldn't tell the Russian foreign minister that it's okay that they interfered in our elections because we do it too, which isn't really true. I guess everyone else is the problem, not the fucking assclown masquerading as a president...
    Watching all these liars try and undermine each other is entertainment gold. You canít make this shit up.

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    You mentioned Schiff, but what about Trump's epic meltdown that is starting? He wants to arrest congressmen now? LMFALO!!!

    Trump suggests intel chairman should be arrested for 'treason'
    Reuters Reuters•September 30, 2019
    WASHINGTON, Sept 30 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump

    on Monday escalated his attacks against the lawmaker leading the
    impeachment inquiry against him, suggesting that Representative
    Adam Schiff be arrested for "treason....
    https://news.yahoo.com/1-trump-sugge...cation-brknews
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    Itís a freak show all around. Schiff tells a bunch of fabricated lies and immediately gets caught. Now evidence is surfacing that heís involved with a Ukrainian arms dealer. Biden is on video admitting he used his influence to get the prosecutor fired. So Biden is guilty but there are plenty of politicians who use their children to do deals that show a conflict of interest. How do you think these people get so rich serving in office?

    All this is media film flam. I heard the same thing about the Mueller investigation and the media buzzed all over that and it turned out to be nothing.

    As far as Trump goes heís avoided getting us into another war so far. Itís funny watching all these other liars and under the table deal makers go after him. Itís entertaining as hell. Trump getting elected has been entertainment gold and as far as our problems go, they existed long before Orange Man got into office. If he ever does build a Trump golf resort on the beautiful southeast shore of North Korea I will laugh my ass off.

    Hell. I have zero say in who the president of the United States is. Unless you live in a swing state and your vote tipped the scale you really have no effect on who the president is going to be. This is just shit people argue over just to argue. Democrat vs Republican. Ha! Ha! They both are crooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It’s a freak show all around. Schiff tells a bunch of fabricated lies and immediately gets caught.
    Which ones? Where? Can we have a source other than the fox news and conspiracy shit you love so much?

    Now evidence is surfacing that he’s involved with a Ukrainian arms dealer. Biden is on video admitting he used his influence to get the prosecutor fired. So Biden is guilty but there are plenty of politicians who use their children to do deals that show a conflict of interest. How do you think these people get so rich serving in office?
    Feel free to provide any sort of source for this...Plenty maybe, but Biden was investigated and wasn't charged because it's a baseless conspiracy theory rooted solely in conjecture and what Drumpf wants to believe...

    All this is media film flam. I heard the same thing about the Mueller investigation and the media buzzed all over that and it turned out to be nothing.

    It isn't "nothing", he could very well be impeached for that report alone if the Republican Party wasn't a bunch of suck-dicks that hate themselves every day for being servile douchebags to this cunt...

    As far as Trump goes he’s avoided getting us into another war so far. It’s funny watching all these other liars and under the table deal makers go after him. It’s entertaining as hell. Trump getting elected has been entertainment gold and as far as our problems go, they existed long before Orange Man got into office. If he ever does build a Trump golf resort on the beautiful southeast shore of North Korea I will laugh my ass off.
    Wow. what an accomplishment. He talks bellicosely then carries a small stick and undermines any credibility we have because he's a weak piss twitter douche...

    Hell. I have zero say in who the president of the United States is. Unless you live in a swing state and your vote tipped the scale you really have no effect on who the president is going to be. This is just shit people argue over just to argue. Democrat vs Republican. Ha! Ha! They both are crooked.
    I know, but it seems you act like you're an unbiased observer then only attack the Democrats while mindlessly defending trump...
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    It does seem a repeating pattern that Nitro will join a thread here and be totally reasonable and then goes away and watches some Fox News or something and comes back the next day with a bunch of confused false equivalency stuff.

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    And maybe Biden's son is a coattails riding dick, fair enough he probably is actually, but if you feel that way then what about these stupid dickbags?:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    It does seem a repeating pattern that Nitro will join a thread here and be totally reasonable and then goes away and watches some Fox News or something and comes back the next day with a bunch of confused false equivalency stuff.
    It's really tough to follow any of the multiple circuses going on in Washington these days... Just got back from a trip to Curacao in the southwestern Caribbean. The airBnB place we stayed had some wacky satellite TV service... it picked up CNN in English and had Fox News but no sound... got about the same amount relevant news from both channels... LOL. Watched BBC World instead...

    All I can say there's some really concerning things going on in the world and it ain't the Trump impeachment circus!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    It's really tough to follow any of the multiple circuses going on in Washington these days... Just got back from a trip to Curacao in the southwestern Caribbean. The airBnB place we stayed had some wacky satellite TV service... it picked up CNN in English and had Fox News but no sound... got about the same amount relevant news from both channels... LOL. Watched BBC World instead...

    All I can say there's some really concerning things going on in the world and it ain't the Trump impeachment circus!!
    Yeah. I try to make it over to Hong Kong every couple of years. Don’t think I will be going over this year.

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    Yeah Hong Kong is a mess... along with Israel... North Korea is building nuclear capable super subs... etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Yeah Hong Kong is a mess... along with Israel... North Korea is building nuclear capable super subs... etc...
    North Korea is just a puppet to China. China played nice for 40 years. We outsourced our industry to them. Our presidents gave them our military technology. They infiltrated us and bought off our government officials and politicians.

    Now they have pulled their mask off. I think China will take Hong Kong and make it part of the PRC. They will start threatening Taiwan. They are throwing their weight around in the South China Sea.

    We were told the 21st century belongs to China and we can trust them because they are non-aggressive. Some bullshit they successfully got our university professors to parrot.

    Ha! Ha! People are going to see the real world is much different than what they were told it was going to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    North Korea is just a puppet to China.
    Em, no, they aren't actually. China has some influence but DPRK is hardly a Chinese puppet, they annoy the Chicoms as much as they annoy us, maybe more. The refugee/illegal immigrant situation causes headaches for the Chinese. There has been talk that if the North attacked the South that the Chinese PLA might invade the North to prevent them from using nukes....

    China played nice for 40 years. We outsourced our industry to them. Our presidents gave them our military technology. They infiltrated us and bought off our government officials and politicians.
    A bit of hyperbole to say the least, the Chinese have always been listed as a potential enemy, but you like your cheap shit at Walmart as much as I do...

    Now they have pulled their mask off. I think China will take Hong Kong and make it part of the PRC. They will start threatening Taiwan. They are throwing their weight around in the South China Sea.
    Maybe but don't speak of China as if it is a truly unified state with no internal issues, they have many and can't just easily drop everything, their economy is already beginning the transition away from manufacturer to outsourcer and it is now probably close to declining a bit...

    We were told the 21st century belongs to China and we can trust them because they are non-aggressive. Some bullshit they successfully got our university professors to parrot.
    Who the fuck ever said that?

    Ha! Ha! People are going to see the real world is much different than what they were told it was going to be.
    It always is, but you ain't calling it apparently...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Em, no, they aren't actually. China has some influence but DPRK is hardly a Chinese puppet, they annoy the Chicoms as much as they annoy us, maybe more. The refugee/illegal immigrant situation causes headaches for the Chinese. There has been talk that if the North attacked the South that the Chinese PLA might invade the North to prevent them from using nukes....



    A bit of hyperbole to say the least, the Chinese have always been listed as a potential enemy, but you like your cheap shit at Walmart as much as I do...



    Maybe but don't speak of China as if it is a truly unified state with no internal issues, they have many and can't just easily drop everything, their economy is already beginning the transition away from manufacturer to outsourcer and it is now probably close to declining a bit...



    Who the fuck ever said that?



    It always is, but you ain't calling it apparently...
    Spent part of my childhood in Hong Kong. Know a lot more about China and Asia than you do. Ask any US intelligence officer who has experience with North Korea and China if North Korea is a puppet state of China. Google China belongs to the 21st Century. This has been a common theme in business schools since the 1990ís.

    As far as Walmart goes never set a foot in one ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Spent part of my childhood in Hong Kong.
    Sure buddy...

    Know a lot more about China and Asia than you do.
    All evidence to the contrary...

    Ask any US intelligence officer who has experience with North Korea and China if North Korea is a puppet state of China. Google China belongs to the 21st Century. This has been a common theme in business schools since the 1990’s.
    I was in South Korea, you knob, STFU...

    As far as Walmart goes never set a foot in one ever.
    I go for the auto stuff only pretty much...

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    Here's a "Google" result: https://www.latrobe.edu.au/nest/what...a-really-like/

    What’s China’s relationship with North Korea really like?

    The latest nuclear test by North Korea has focused the world’s attention on China. Much of the international community believes China is key to making North Korea behave. But just how powerfully can China pressure its only ally?

    La Trobe’s Nick Bisley, Professor of International Relations and Executive Director of La Trobe Asia, unpacks their tricky partnership to reveal the limits to China’s control.

    An uneasy partnership with geopolitical perks
    Since the rapid division of the Korean Peninsula at the end of the Second World War, North Korea has acted as a physical and political buffer between China and US-allied South Korea. China supported North Korea during the Korean War (1950–1953). And in 1961, the Chinese and North Korean governments signed the Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty. The treaty formalised their relationship and remains in effect today.

    According to Nick, the treaty means China is beholden to help North Korea if an outside military attack occurred. Notwithstanding this, he says, they are ‘uneasy bedfellows’.

    “The treaty says, ‘We’re with you, we’ll protect you’. It doesn’t mean they have to like each other,” says Nick.

    “Even though North Korea is right next to China, even though China had lost hundreds of thousands of soldiers defending North Korea, they never really got along. Through the Cold War, the principal supporter of North Korea was the Soviet Union, not China.”

    Rather than being friendly allies, then, China and North Korea are partners of geopolitical necessity. Their relationship is fraught – historically, even their views on Communism differ. To date, three generations of the Kim family dictatorship have ruled North Korea. This family succession was something former Chinese Communist Party Chairman Mao Tse-Tung ‘completely opposed’.
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    No really a "puppet", eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Yeah Hong Kong is a mess... along with Israel... North Korea is building nuclear capable super subs... etc...
    I just find it really inconceivable that their nuclear super subs won't be completely shit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I just find it really inconceivable that their nuclear super subs won't be completely shit.
    As long as they equip them with top quality screen doors they'll be fine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I'm on catch up with this but Giuliani is fucking nuts at this point. If you were a black kid on death row and he had been your public defender that would be enough to get you off.

    If he was Nixon's lawyer he would have been on TV saying how they did Watergate and are now covering it up.

    WTF happened to that guy? Is it mental illness or is he on something?
    Hooking up with Trump is Rudy's last shot at political relevance in terms of proximity to actual power, as opposed to opining on the Fox News channel, or getting paid to speak at various conservative think tank gatherings, or running a consultancy business...all of which are lucrative enough, but not the same as having the ear of the President.

    His run at the 2008 GOP nomination demonstrated that he didn't have any national appeal in terms of actually getting elected to power. The Obama years saw Rudy in virtual eclipse in terms of political relevance outside of appearing on tv talking to audiences already inclined to agree with his views, which is to say Giuliani's political relevance, say, post-2008 has been virtually nil.

    I will say that once in for Trump, Rudy has been all in. As to why, I sometimes think it can't be as simple as the rationale of getting attention that I laid out, yet I can't think of another reason as to why.

    It should be said, though, that even the New Yorkers who applauded Giuliani's tenure as mayor of New York City in terms of the crime rate dropping...there were plenty of them who knew Rudy was an unabashed prick. I mean, look at the way he informed his second wife they were divorcing: via a press conference. It was also telling that Giuliani didn't win the New York primary in 2008 (the one state you'd assume he would be a shoo-in for).

    His leadership on the ground in NYC on September 11th, 2001 helped provide a counterweight to the assholish image he had cultivated for himself prior to that day. Eventually, that 9/11 luster wore off, as his dismal performance in the 2007 GOP cycle as the "I was mayor of New York on 9/11" candidate demonstrated. Untethered from having to run for office again, he spent the Obama years claiming Obama didn't love America and was an anti-colonial socialist.

    Basically, once it became clear he wasn't going to be elected to anything again, Rudy didn't so much gradually morph into who he is today, but rather was free to be more of who he was all along, minus the (in his case, minimal) amount of restraint most elected officials publicly demonstrate. He and Trump are both of like minds in terms of how they view race and class, plus that tough guy/mafia wannabe New Yorker swagger such men affect to give themselves an aura of manly steel. Plus, they both had better things to do than serve their countries in Vietnam.

    It's to Trump's lack of judgment that he thinks Rudy is doing him any good on the legal front. Rudy had, to a degree, been an effective public prosecutor in the 1980s. I've never heard the same applied to Rudy being a cunning legal mind re: as a private defense attorney.

    What Rudy, taking a cue from his client, IS doing is attempting to muddy up the waters by making a lot of false equivalency comparisons between Trump and the Bidens re: Ukraine, and throwing a lot of facts out in interviews that are either out of context, or misconstrued, or just plain twisted.

    I wonder of Rudy thinks he will be the one person Trump won't discard/throw under the bus no matter what. It'd seem to be a huge error on Giuliani's part to think that Trump wouldn't walk away from [Giuliani] in a heartbeat if Trump determines Rudy no longer serves his purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I wonder of Rudy thinks he will be the one person Trump won't discard/throw under the bus no matter what. It'd seem to be a huge error on Giuliani's part to think that Trump wouldn't walk away from [Giuliani] in a heartbeat if Trump determines Rudy no longer serves his purposes.
    I believe that has already happened...

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...ey/3945806002/


    Donald Trump distances himself from Rudy Giuliani: 'He has been my attorney'
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    Published 6:47 PM EDT Oct 11, 2019
    WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump sought Friday to distance himself from attorney Rudy Giuliani, even casting doubts about whether the former New York mayor is still his lawyer.

    Asked whether Giuliani remained his personal attorney, Trump said: “I don’t know.”

    “I haven't spoken to Rudy,” Trump told reporters as he was leaving the White House for a political rally in Louisiana. “I spoke to him yesterday, briefly. He's a very good attorney and he has been my attorney, yeah sure.”

    Giuliani told USA TODAY shortly afterward that he’s still Trump's lawyer. “He hasn't told me otherwise,” he said.

    Giuliani has emerged as a central figure in the Ukraine scandal that has led to an impeachment inquiry against Trump over efforts to push Ukrainian officials to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, the Democratic presidential frontrunner.

    Trump's pit bull: From 'America's mayor' to Trump's pit bull: Rudy Giuliani emerges as central figure in Ukraine firestorm

    Trump’s remarks followed the arrest late Wednesday of two of Giuliani’s associates, Ukranian-born business partners Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, at Dulles International Airport. The two were arrested by FBI agents and charged with in connection with alleged schemes to funnel foreign money to U.S. political campaigns...

    I also think there is way way more chance that Giululani will end up being prosecuted than Trump ever being impeached...

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    That could well be the case, in that it appears Rudy was walking a very thin line between the raindrops in terms of what was legal re: the Logan Act and Ukraine, regardless of if Giuliani was doing so with Trump's expressed or implied consent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    That could well be the case, in that it appears Rudy was walking a very thin line between the raindrops in terms of what was legal re: the Logan Act and Ukraine, regardless of if Giuliani was doing so with Trump's expressed or implied consent.
    Now he'll be walking a tightrope of giving Micheal Cohen a happy ending or not after being the powerbottom...

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    I figure Giuliani is an expendable tool in this swamp expedition... I see no viable end game in any of this that benefits anyone involved on either side. Not a damn good thing can come of it...

    What concerns me most is what horrific, tragedy is quietly brewing that will knock this bullshit off center stage and we wake up with the world in far different, terrible place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I figure Giuliani is an expendable tool in this swamp expedition... I see no viable end game in any of this that benefits anyone involved on either side. Not a damn good thing can come of it...

    What concerns me most is what horrific, tragedy is quietly brewing that will knock this bullshit off center stage and we wake up with the world in far different, terrible place.
    Are you talking about foreign conflicts we're not paying attention to, or is the tragedy along the lines of Trump getting desperate and doing something desperate as a result of the impeachment inquiry, or...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I figure Giuliani is an expendable tool in this swamp expedition... I see no viable end game in any of this that benefits anyone involved on either side. Not a damn good thing can come of it...

    What concerns me most is what horrific, tragedy is quietly brewing that will knock this bullshit off center stage and we wake up with the world in far different, terrible place.
    The political stuff is nothing more than a bunch of crooks agitating the public to distract from their crimes. China and a Russia are more aggressive and perusing first strike weapons. I have a feeling the 2020’s will be a bitch of a decade. We are going into a new Cold War and the central banks are running out of tricks to keep this fiat financial system going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Are you talking about foreign conflicts we're not paying attention to, or is the tragedy along the lines of Trump getting desperate and doing something desperate as a result of the impeachment inquiry, or...?
    US presidents aren’t all that powerful. Trump is ignored on a regular basis. He ordered John Brennan’s security clearance pulled and it never happened. Presidents come and go, the government officials stay for decades. Impeachment doesn’t mean much. Bill Clinton was impeached. Nobody cared. It hurt the Republicans wasting time doing it at the ballot box. The average American votes their self-interest. At election time the go “where’s the beef?” They don’t give a damn about political pissing matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    US presidents arenít all that powerful. Trump is ignored on a regular basis. He ordered John Brennanís security clearance pulled and it never happened. Presidents come and go, the government officials stay for decades. Impeachment doesnít mean much. Bill Clinton was impeached. Nobody cared. It hurt the Republicans wasting time doing it at the ballot box. The average American votes their self-interest. At election time the go ďwhereís the beef?Ē They donít give a damn about political pissing matches.
    Some truth to this and some hyperbole. But yeah, if Trump wasn't coddled and manged, he'd of put a knife in one of the White House power sockets...
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    A knife made of solid gold, with the TRUMP logo etched into the handle...I've said before - many times - it's such a beautiful knife...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    A knife made of solid gold, with the TRUMP logo etched into the handle...I've said before - many times - it's such a beautiful knife...
    It’s probably HUGE!

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    The fat lady that is going to sing is when we default on our debt and what the result of that will be. We are over $20 trillion. We have $5 trillion in debt when Dubya came in. He doubled it to $10 trillion. Obama doubled it to $20 trillion. And Trump is running it up. If you add in the unfunded liabilities like pensions the actual debt is around $41 Trillion. We ain’t paying it off and read up on pensions. Many Americans won’t have a pension so it should be exciting when we get to that point. If you think people are angry now, just wait. What’s in store in the future? Nobody knows but we got $41 trillion in debt and growing and no money to pay the liabilities and creditors. You can fuck em over or you can print more funny money and pay everyone in worthless script.

    Funny. Everyone is thinking their flavor of the month is going to fix things. Ha! Ha! We probably will end up with some Napoleon figure out of the military running things when everything goes chaotic and people no longer believe in politicians or elections. Power grows out of the barrel of a gun at the end of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The fat lady that is going to sing is when we default on our debt and what the result of that will be. We are over $20 trillion. We have $5 trillion in debt when Dubya came in. He doubled it to $10 trillion. Obama doubled it to $20 trillion. And Trump is running it up. If you add in the unfunded liabilities like pensions the actual debt is around $41 Trillion. We ain’t paying it off and read up on pensions. Many Americans won’t have a pension so it should be exciting when we get to that point. If you think people are angry now, just wait. What’s in store in the future? Nobody knows but we got $41 trillion in debt and growing and no money to pay the liabilities and creditors. You can fuck em over or you can print more funny money and pay everyone in worthless script.

    Funny. Everyone is thinking their flavor of the month is going to fix things. Ha! Ha! We probably will end up with some Napoleon figure out of the military running things when everything goes chaotic and people no longer believe in politicians or elections. Power grows out of the barrel of a gun at the end of the day.
    Obama is behind both Bush 1 and Reagan, and the largest factor in Obama's adding to the Nat'l Debt are tax cuts, something his typical critics love. And also inheriting a near depression...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Are you talking about foreign conflicts we're not paying attention to, or is the tragedy along the lines of Trump getting desperate and doing something desperate as a result of the impeachment inquiry, or...?
    I was thinking foreign threats... our infighting is far too much of a distraction leaving threat actors plenty of room to operate unnoticed and unchecked.

    It's a simple prospect... one can not be diligent and make sound decisions involving complex problems if your busy acting like idiots over bullshit that benefits no one. This applies to both sides of the aisle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I was thinking foreign threats... our infighting is far too much of a distraction leaving threat actors plenty of room to operate unnoticed and unchecked.

    It's a simple prospect... one can not be diligent and make sound decisions involving complex problems if your busy acting like idiots over bullshit that benefits no one. This applies to both sides of the aisle.
    Can't disagree with any of this.

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