Annual Rock Hall Nominee Shit Show thread

[twonabomber]

Nominated in the Performer category, artists included in this year's Nominee class are:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Whitney Houston
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motörhead
Nine Inch Nails
The Notorious B.I.G.
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
T. Rex
Thin Lizzy

New this year, to cast a ballot in the official Klipsch Audio Fan Vote, you can search “Rock Hall Fan Vote” or the word “Vote” with any Nominee name on Google to cast your ballot.
vote on google

You can vote once a day through January 10, 2020 and pick up to 5 Nominees per ballot. The top five artists will comprise, a “fans’ ballot” that will be tallied along with the other ballots to choose the 2020 Inductees.

The Class of 2020 Nominees includes 9 artists on the ballot for the first time: Dave Matthews Band, The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Motörhead, The Notorious B.I.G., Pat Benatar, Soundgarden, T. Rex and Thin Lizzy.

The 2020 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony, presented by Klipsch Audio, will be held at Public Auditorium in Cleveland, Ohio on May 2, 2020 and will be preceded by Induction Week with celebratory events and the opening of the 2020 Inductee exhibit.

https://www.rockhall.com/2020-nominees

[twonabomber]

Additionally, Jann Wenner is stepping down as Rock Hall Foundation chairman and is being replaced by John Sykes. You'll remember Sykes as one of the guys that started MTV, and more recently, as someone who destroyed rock radio as he headed up what used to be Clear Channel and is now iHeart Radio.

[twonabomber]

Very unlikely that both Priest and Motorhead get in at the same time. That wouldn't make for a diverse enough broadcast. Same with Depeche Mode and Kraftwerk, and maybe NIN.

I'd like to see Thin Lizzy and T. Rex get in.

Rundgren, NIN, and Benatar bring the Cleveland connection. Runt has always been popular here, Reznor was in a local synth pop band, and Benatar's husband Neil Giraldo is a local.

Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks asked for more females to be inducted but I don't think that's enough to warrant Whitney Houston's nomination. If they want a woman inductee, give it to Liz Phair.

[Seshmeister]

Lots of dead people. I assume they don't like having too many of them as they can't play or even pay $10k a seat for dinner or whatever it is...

[twonabomber]

I doubt Reznor would show up.

[Nitro Express]

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is so Un-rock and roll. A real rocker would tell them to fuck themselves. The real hall of fame is a arena full of screaming fans and the band bringing the house down and people taking three days to recover from what they were subjected to.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

I have the old Kraftwerk on vinyle for the fun, but there's nothing rock 'n' roll in there.

[silverfish]

2022 Nominees:

Beck
Pat Benatar - 2nd nom
Kate Bush - 3rd nom
Devo - 3rd nom
Duran Duran
Eminem - 1st time eligible
Eurythmics - 3rd nom
Judas Priest - 3rd nom
Fela Kuti - 2nd nom
MC5 - 6th nom
New York Dolls - 3rd nom
Dolly Parton
Rage Against the Machine - 4th nom
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick - 2nd nom

Fan vote leaderboard - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

[Kristy]

So...

The Eurythmics
Dolly (as a token winner) but shes not rock 'n' roll which only goes to show how much of a fucking joke this all is.
Pat Banal Tard (maybe)
Judas Pringels Chips (another limey token)
Duran Durdumb

[FORD]

Dolly Parton is a goddamned legend, but she's not remotely rock n roll. Same for Dionne Warwick. Thank fuck it wasn't Whitney Houston.... she's not only not rock n roll, she's the antithesis of rock n roll. Her music was so bland it made Pat Boone look like punk rock by comparison.

Lionel Richie??? For "BrickHouse" & "Easy Like Sunday Morning" maybe. NOT for anything he did after he left the Commodores.

[Kristy]

Horse Hockey. Whitney Houston did more cocaine than Rick James, Stevie Nicks and the Eagles combined. She used to stop her shows in mid-song because she was hallucinating seeing "bugs" on stage. Now, that's rock 'n' roll.

Oh, and Russell Wilson is coming to Denvoid

[FORD]

FORD's votes: Pat Benatar, Judas Priest, MC5, Devo, New York Dolls

[Kristy]

There was some F A T bald fuck who was either a Rogan or Stern sycophant claiming he dropped so much acid that he had a "spiritual awakening" by listening to the guitar playing of Neil Giraldo (and David Gilmour) while tripping. Horsetooth Pat herself didn't do bad songs - they certainly were less irritating when she left MTV behind her and moved on to non-commercial shores. Problem was she was little dynamic range in her voice and Neil's bombastic soloing covered up for it. Best song she ever did was Painted Desert. Neil's guitar playing shines here.

[Seshmeister]

Her music was so bland it made Pat Boone look like punk rock by comparison.

Scary that Boone's In a 'Metal Mood: No More Mr. Nice Guy' is now 25 years old so he is now eligible under that persona...

[FORD]

The same people that nominated Whitney Houston would have already nominated Boone for his white bread cover versions of songs from the 1950s....

[Von Halen]

A real rocker would tell them to fuck themselves.

Ted Nugent recently did just that. Of course, he's being labled as "racist" because he bitched about some rapper not belonging.

[Kristy]

I bet Ted dropped out because The Hall of Fame would not supply him with a 14 year-old girl

[Seshmeister]

Ted Nugent recently did just that. Of course, he's being labled as "racist" because he bitched about some rapper not belonging.

I dunno I think people were maybe wondering if he was a little bit racist back when he was calling Obama a subhman mongrel and a chimpanzee...

[Von Halen]

I dunno I think people were maybe wondering if he was a little bit racist back when he was calling Obama a subhman mongrel and a chimpanzee...

Well, that's exactly what NObama is.

[FORD]

Obama was merely a moderate Republican. He said so himself....



The guy who illegally occupied the White House before him was the chimpanzee.

[Seshmeister]

Well, that's exactly what NObama is.

Well yeah I get that. You are my friend and I really fucking disagree with some of your opinions about politics but ok we will debate that.

Nugent is (I hope) way more intolerant than you but the difference is he is dishonest about it. He pretends not to be when it may affect his career.

For such a macho fuck he is a coward and always has been.

[twonabomber]

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has officially announced this year’s inductees: Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, and Carly Simon will join the class of 2022 in the Performers category.

Additionally, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and Judas Priest will receive the Musical Excellence Award; Harry Belafonte and Elizabeth Cotten will be given the Early Influence Award; and attorney Allen Grubman, record executive/producer Jimmy Iovine, and R&B singer/Sugar Hill Records founder Sylvia Robinson will be presented with the Ahmet Ertegun Award.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...-2022-1346913/

The New Waver in me is pleased to see Duran Duran get in. The original Fab Five and Warren Cuccurullo. Meh to Parton and Ritchie. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis is probably the closest The Time will get.

Kind of shitty that Priest gets the musical excellence award. Kind of an "almost good enough" thing.

[FORD]

[Nitro Express]

The real rock and roll hall of fame is do you have any fans? Filling seats is where it’s at.

[Nitro Express]

Obama was merely a moderate Republican. He said so himself....



The guy who illegally occupied the White House before him was the chimpanzee.

I call it the establishment. There really wasn’t much difference between the Bush clan, the Clinton’s and the Obama’s. It’s all about selling out to the multinational corporations or more accurately the biggest share holders. You have a cast of carefully picked characters that tell people what they want to hear but then do what their owners want which simply is more for them and less for us. If your politicians are getting very rich while in office they aren’t serving you.

[Nitro Express]

Anyways we seem to have a low IQ public who’s easily duped so things aren’t going to change. They might finally manage to piss off enough people where you get a revolution but good luck getting that from an obese population addicted to distractions.

[Nitro Express]

Ted Nugent recently did just that. Of course, he's being labled as "racist" because he bitched about some rapper not belonging.

Ted is crazy like a fox. He understands it’s about getting attention and he’s gotten rich off of playing that game. Marketing 101. Ted has done well. You appeal to a niche market. If he played Detroit tomorrow the arena would be packed and he’s not going to bring anything new but the guy still can play very well. If everyone loved Ted Nugent nobody would care about Ted Nugent but he gets people to talk about him constantly. He doesn’t disappear and that right there is the brilliance of the motor city madman.

[Terry]

Ted is crazy like a fox. He understands it’s about getting attention and he’s gotten rich off of playing that game. Marketing 101. Ted has done well. You appeal to a niche market. If he played Detroit tomorrow the arena would be packed and he’s not going to bring anything new but the guy still can play very well. If everyone loved Ted Nugent nobody would care about Ted Nugent but he gets people to talk about him constantly. He doesn’t disappear and that right there is the brilliance of the motor city madman.

Really?

Honestly, I thought that "Crazy Ted Nugent" cache was negated when Nugent pussied out by admitting covid was something people should take seriously and virtually apologizing after the Las Vegas mass shooting for how he had ratcheted up the gun nutter factor with his decades of irresponsible rhetoric.

Whatever. The nitwits who adore Nugent will doubtless forget those two things.

Batshit gun-stroking pedophile.

[Nickdfresh]

Well yeah I get that. You are my friend and I really fucking disagree with some of your opinions about politics but ok we will debate that.

Nugent is (I hope) way more intolerant than you but the difference is he is dishonest about it. He pretends not to be when it may affect his career.

For such a macho fuck he is a coward and always has been.

Funny but Joan Jett agrees with you:

“He’s not a tough guy," she continued. "He plays tough guy, but this is the guy who shit his pants – literally – so he didn’t have to go in the Army... So this, is the tough guy who’s running around America, stirring things up against each other.”

Read More: Joan Jett Fires Back at Ted Nugent - His Punishment Is Being Him | https://loudwire.com/joan-jett-ted-n...edium=referral

https://loudwire.com/joan-jett-ted-n...ng-ted-nugent/

[Nitro Express]

Really?

Honestly, I thought that "Crazy Ted Nugent" cache was negated when Nugent pussied out by admitting covid was something people should take seriously and virtually apologizing after the Las Vegas mass shooting for how he had ratcheted up the gun nutter factor with his decades of irresponsible rhetoric.

Whatever. The nitwits who adore Nugent will doubtless forget those two things.

Batshit gun-stroking pedophile.

Life ain’t fair. Both Ted and Sammy Hagar are living the good life. They might be lovers.

[Nitro Express]

I think the weirdest Ted story I heard was from Eddie Kramer the famous sound engineer. Ted stripped butt naked in the recording studio thinking his music would be more pure if he did. I’ve always maintained the loose and unscrewed types who never could keep a regular job find their way into rock and roll. The ones with the right gimmicks and talent manage to draw an audience. The real shrewd ones stay around for decades and die rich. Like I said. Crazy like a fox.

[Nitro Express]

I hate these who’s the better guitar player comparisons. I think Double Live Gonzo is one of the best live rock and roll albums ever. That’s Ted’s high point. Joan Jett is a solid rock and roller. I’ve never seen her live but she had some great songs and what’s cool about her is she made her solo career out of refusing to quit. Nobody wanted to give her a deal.

For me it’s about songs more than who’s the better guitar wanker and a person’s politics means nothing to me, because I’m looking at the art. Both Joan Jett and Ted Nugent are still around. Both can still put on a good show.

[FORD]

Life ain’t fair. Both Ted and Sammy Hagar are living the good life. They might be lovers.

With pictures like this, it's not out of the question....

[Nitro Express]

You know Sam is the female in the relationship. I’m amazed Sam can sit down and drive a car.

[Terry]

I hate these who’s the better guitar player comparisons. I think Double Live Gonzo is one of the best live rock and roll albums ever. That’s Ted’s high point. Joan Jett is a solid rock and roller. I’ve never seen her live but she had some great songs and what’s cool about her is she made her solo career out of refusing to quit. Nobody wanted to give her a deal.

For me it’s about songs more than who’s the better guitar wanker and a person’s politics means nothing to me, because I’m looking at the art. Both Joan Jett and Ted Nugent are still around. Both can still put on a good show.

Like, growing up, the first few years I started playing guitar, me and my two other buds who started playing at the same time...we were 12-13 years old...early 1980s...back then, speed and flash guitar was king, right?

Every other week it was:

Hey, you figured out THIS Eddie Van Halen lick yet?
Hey, have you heard Warren DeMartini?
Hey, have you heard George Lynch?
Hey, have you heard about Steve Vai?
Hey, did you fucking hear Yngwie Malmsteen? Man, he's, like, the best EVER!!

Back then, it was cool to show off how fast you could play, or how well you could cop some famous players licks. You know...greasy kids stuff.

Eventually, it comes down to the songs in the end. At least for me, THAT is what resonates years and years down the line. By the same token, a lot of the better known 1980s flash guitar players...I can't even listen to a lot of that stuff now, because in all too many cases the songs were half-assed and little more than a coat hanger to hang (yet another) bitchin', everything-and-the-kitchen-sink guitar solo on.

Now, there are ten bazillion axe wankers posting youtube clips of them playing someone else's stuff. It's beyond boring.

Some of my favorite stuff continues to include AC/DC, The Ramones, Black Sabbath, The Rolling Stones...all pretty elemental stuff in terms of technique...but it all still resonates like a motherfucker to my ears.

[Fairwrning]

Horse Hockey. Whitney Houston did more cocaine than Rick James, Stevie Nicks and the Eagles combined. She used to stop her shows in mid-song because she was hallucinating seeing "bugs" on stage. Now, that's rock 'n' roll.

I agree about the coke but thats about it..Doobies/Benatar/Priest/Motorhead/Lizzy....Thats RNR...Id vote for T Rex also

[FORD]

Like, growing up, the first few years I started playing guitar, me and my two other buds who started playing at the same time...we were 12-13 years old...early 1980s...back then, speed and flash guitar was king, right?

Every other week it was:

Hey, you figured out THIS Eddie Van Halen lick yet?
Hey, have you heard Warren DeMartini?
Hey, have you heard George Lynch?
Hey, have you heard about Steve Vai?
Hey, did you fucking hear Yngwie Malmsteen? Man, he's, like, the best EVER!!

Back then, it was cool to show off how fast you could play, or how well you could cop some famous players licks. You know...greasy kids stuff.

Eventually, it comes down to the songs in the end. At least for me, THAT is what resonates years and years down the line. By the same token, a lot of the better known 1980s flash guitar players...I can't even listen to a lot of that stuff now, because in all too many cases the songs were half-assed and little more than a coat hanger to hang (yet another) bitchin', everything-and-the-kitchen-sink guitar solo on.

Now, there are ten bazillion axe wankers posting youtube clips of them playing someone else's stuff. It's beyond boring.

Some of my favorite stuff continues to include AC/DC, The Ramones, Black Sabbath, The Rolling Stones...all pretty elemental stuff in terms of technique...but it all still resonates like a motherfucker to my ears.

In the long run, it comes down to whether you have a sound people will recognize and remember. You know when it's Keef, or Angus, or Iommi, or even Johnny Ramone within 2 seconds. I couldn't pick a YingYang Egosteen riff out of thin air and identify it as him, and I'd probably only instantly recognize George Lynch if Don Dokken was whining on top of it. Steve Vai?? shit I had that Public Image album with him playing on it for years before I even knew it was him... though I did know it sounded good, whoever it was (the album had no credits on it at all, probably part of the "generic" theme of the packaging)

Occasionally you get somebody who is technically brilliant AND has that unmistakable sound. Eddie certainly fits that description, as did Jimi Hendrix. I'd put Randy Rhoads in that camp too, except we tragically never got to see his full potential.

[Nitro Express]

It’s about entertainment and sure the music is an important element but it’s not the whole recipe. It’s the overall presentation and the bands and entertainers who are good at producing the whole package well and bringing it are the ones who have lot’s of success and stick around.

[Nitro Express]

In the long run, it comes down to whether you have a sound people will recognize and remember. You know when it's Keef, or Angus, or Iommi, or even Johnny Ramone within 2 seconds. I couldn't pick a YingYang Egosteen riff out of thin air and identify it as him, and I'd probably only instantly recognize George Lynch if Don Dokken was whining on top of it. Steve Vai?? shit I had that Public Image album with him playing on it for years before I even knew it was him... though I did know it sounded good, whoever it was (the album had no credits on it at all, probably part of the "generic" theme of the packaging)

Occasionally you get somebody who is technically brilliant AND has that unmistakable sound. Eddie certainly fits that description, as did Jimi Hendrix. I'd put Randy Rhoads in that camp too, except we tragically never got to see his full potential.

Interesting your example of tone masters all use simple rigs. Keef uses tweed Fender Twins and most the others use Marshall’s. AC/DC take a amp repair guy on the road with them and use a power conditioner to make sure the power going to the amps is consistent. It’s really about having the basics and having that set up well. One sound engineer told me the less you have in your signal chain the better it’s going to sound. I don’t like a lot of sound processing. I think if you have a great sounding guitar, a properly running amp (tube amps can be temperamental) and a great sounding speaker cab (very important) you have most of what equipment is going to do for you. One reason I like a separate head and cab is I change my cabs to get different tones. Red Backs in an open 2x12 sound different than 25 watt greenbacks in a sealed 4x12.

[Nitro Express]

Also only so much will go through a PA system. Players that really process their sound through a bunch of effects only a fraction of that is going to come out the PA speakers. So a basic decent tone is what you want live. People fuck with their sound too much. Usually huge gear-heads are not the best players. They are into gear more than playing.