Ha! Both Joan and Ted are milking it for all the publicity they can get. Do either of them really care? I doubt it. But it’s all about keeping your name out there and people buy your shit.Originally Posted by Von Halen
Ha! Both Joan and Ted are milking it for all the publicity they can get. Do either of them really care? I doubt it. But it’s all about keeping your name out there and people buy your shit.
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Beck? Unless it's the Beck with Jeff in front of the name, er, um...no.
Pat Benetar - surprised she wasn't in there already.
Kate Bush - always a critical favorite (assumedly male critics who liked to rub one out to her), but even just in terms of the fame I'd wager precious few in America even know who she is.
Devo - yeah, I'll buy that. Ohio natives and all.
Duran Duran - yeeesh...look, I like Duran Duran, but rock? Mmmm, maybe a couple tunes here and there.
Eminem - not rock.
Eurythmics - not rock.
Judas Priest - should've been in there already.
Fela Kuti - ?????
MC5 - should've been in there already.
New York Dolls - should've been in there already.
Dolly Parton - great country artist, classily pointed out that she has never been a rock artist and said 'thanks but no thanks'
Rage Against The Machine - posers: hope they never get in.
Lionel Richie - ??? The Commodores, maybe. Lionel Richie solo? That's some of the softest schmaltz ever produced.
Carly Simon - see Lionel Richie.
A Tribe Called Quest - see Rage Against The Machine
Dionne Warwick - fer fuck sake, is this nomination a joke?
Honestly, the place should just be named the Popular Music Hall Of Fame.
With each passing year, it becomes more and more apparent that most of the important rock acts have already gotten in, and compiling these nominee lists is really an exercise in scraping the bottom.
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Dolly Parton is rock and roll? The whole thing is beyond stupid.
I mean, the whole place has always had the aura of being the antithesis of what rock was about to begin with, in terms of rock not belonging in a museum...or that it shouldn't be put in a museum, at any rate.
Like I say, after 30+ years, the nominees going forward...it's just gonna get more and more ridiculous beyond the sterile, pussified, corporatized entity it already has been.
Well Queen won 0 Grammys, Abba 0 Grammys, the Stones 3 Grammys
Kanye West has 24...
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The problem with the Rock Hall has always been the board in NYC. First when Jann Wenner was running it, and now John Sykes (who ran MTV when it was good) is running it. Acts get inducted for the ratings they will bring to the HBO broadcast, not because they are truly worthy.
I agree that country, the blues, soul, R&B etc all feed back into "rock and roll," but I don't think that means Parton should get in. You gonna put Pat Boone in there for the "In A Metal Mood" album?
The Rock Hall says acts are considered because of their influence and perpetuation of rock and roll. I figured Duran Duran would have gotten in earlier just based on the videos pushing rock in another direction. The Durannie girls in my high school were better looking than the girls who were Ozzy and Rush fans, too. So there!
Priest kind of got the consolation prize, the Musical Excellence award. So did Ringo Starr for his solo work. I had the "Ringo" 8 track, and as much as I liked it as a kid, I know now it was nowhere the caliber of work Harrison and McCartney were putting out. It's like the pat on the head and "good job!" version, I think Priest deserved better.
Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis aren't exactly rock either. Neither was Nile Rodgers, if you only base it on the Chic stuff. But they wrote and produced HUGE hits, and all that feeds back in.
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The original founder of MTV was Robert Pittman, who is actually a distant cousin of mine, though I've never met him. After he left MTV he went on to be involved with Clear Channel and AOL/Time Warner, so I suspect we probably wouldn't get along very well if we ever meet at a family reunion.
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Donny Osmond is a distant cousin of mine and I never got any free tickets to anything. I did edit ski movies in the old Osmond studios though. They had their exotic cars parked on the sound stage and some of Marie's costumes were still there from television show days. Man. Those sequin covered dresses weigh a ton. They feel like they are made of chain mail or something.
Dolly should get in any place she wants...
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Tits first.
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She was the first to say it. She was on NPR saying she wanted them to withdraw her nomination. They wouldn't so she said she'd accept if winning but would do a rock album if she is inducted...
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Never underestimate the power of tits.
Horns up!
Rob Halford singing Jolene?
If he could pull off Diamonds & Rust, why the Hell not?
This year's nominees
Yawner...
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yup.
The Rock Hall recently changed their mission statement:
I'd like to see Warren Zevon get in and maybe David Letterman induct him.Earlier this week, at an online press event, the organization shared a new mission statement, purportedly designed to address the criticism of the recent nominees: "Born from the collision of rhythm & blues, country and gospel, rock 'n' roll is a spirit that is inclusive and ever-changing. The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame celebrates the sound of youth culture and honors the artists whose music connects us all."
Didn't realize the White Stripes were 25 years old.
So they are so incredibly fucking talented/important/influential they get nominated the first year they qualify whereas Rush had to wait another 15 years?
ashstralia (02-01-2023),ZahZoo (02-02-2023)
So let's see....
Kate Bush - Would we be talking about her at all if "Stranger Things" hadn't revived her one big hit?
Sheryl Crow - She's OK, but does she need to get in on the first ballot?
Missy Elliot - Who?? Seriously, I know she's a rapper, but I can't name a single song. Don't think she's had the "impact" of NWA or Public Enemy
Iron Maiden - Absolutely... but not Blaze what's his fuck. I'm sure they will let DiAnno in because he was an original member.
Joy Division/New Order - Hell yeah! Should have been in years ago.
Cyndi Lauper - Not one of my favorites, but I'm OK with it
George Michael - They're really stretching the limits of what they call Rock n Roll, aren't they? I'd vote for him over Missy Elliot, I guess.
Willie Nelson - Obviously not a rocker, but he's very worthy. And he's 90 years old now, so he doesn't have time to wait for three or four ballots to get in!
Rage Against The Machine - I'll be raging against the machine if they don't get in this time.
Soundgarden - Should have made it in on the first year of eligibility (2012)
The Spinners - Sure, why not? I only remember one or two of their songs, but they probably had more impact than half of this list.
A Tribe Called Quest - Honestly can't remember anything they did. But they probably did more than Missy Elliot.
White Stripes - Jack White is the most overrated fucking guitarist of the last century, but the industry loves him. But he can wait a few years.
Warren Zevon - Send all the lawyers, guns, and money needed to get him inducted! No doubt he should be the first one on this list who makes the final cut.
So if Rage & Soundgarden get in on the same ballot, is that also a de-facto nomination for Audioslave??
There are always complaints that there aren't enough women inducted.
Also look at it as which acts will bring bigger ratings for the HBO broadcast. Seems like that's all they care about now.
In addition to the eligiblity requirement of a band/artists having "released its first commercial
recording at least 25 years prior to the year of nomination," the HoF new goal is to “celebrate
the sound of youth culture and honor the artists whose music connects us all” because “rock
and roll is a spirit that is inclusive and ever-changing.”
I'm guessing the "youth culture" (hip hop, artists of color) and "music connects us all" (Dolly Parton,
Willie Nelson) sections were stated up front shortly before the nominess were released in hopes that
people wouldn't pitch a fit when they saw the list. Also opens things up a bit as they're probably
running out of old white guy acts to induct.
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If they want more women inducted, how about women who played in actual rock bands? The Runaways. Joan Jett is in, but why not the rest of them?? The Bangles should certainly qualify. Liz Phair should be eligible by now.
Maybe I shouldn't be admitting this but I've never heard of The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest or Warren Zevon...
You never heard "Werewolves of London"??
As for The Spinners, they were big in the early 70s... at least on this side of the pond....
Fair enough I've heard the song a lot without knowing the name. So like Cyndi Lauper another one hit here today gone later this afternoon artist...
Cyndi Lauper just happened to launch her career at the right time to be on MTV at its musical peak. The music itself was standard 80s pop, but the videos were entertaining, most of them featuring some of the WWF wrestlers of that era. She's now doing AARP ads for a paycheck.
No, seriously......
Sheryl Crow sucks.
This rip-off institution has been scraping the bottom of the barrel for so long that this is what it has finally come down to: Sheryl Lame-Ass Vanilla AOR Crow. A rock star for mall moms.
Fuck it. Let her in. Let 'em all in. Get Justin Bieber in there, while they're at it.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Man, what a sad, dried up, limp, lifeless state rock music is in currently, eh? Has been for quite a while, too. About...mmmmmmmmmm....a quarter-century or so, I'd say.
Ah, well. Fortunately, there's the rock music that was made when the form mattered, and fortunately a lot of it was made when the form mattered.
Better to look a few decades backward for rock inspiration than try and get some from the likes of Dave Grohl...or Sheryl Crow.
I didn't hate her and what do I know but it's always such a weird list.
Iron Maiden released their first album 43 years ago and have sold 200 million.
I am glad that they have at least now confirmed that their definition of 'Rock N Roll' as meaning absolutely nothing - that does explain how music from the elevator on the Love Boat qualifies...
Previously I had assumed they meant the 'Hard Rock Cafe' definition which is maximizing how to make money from shit that occasionally slightly overlaps with rock almost by accident.
I almost should have paid for the unsolicited photo last time I visited one of their restaurants when some twat stuck an $80 chinese strat copy into my hands as I walked in before I realized what was happening just for my WTF expression.
Food was tasteless but very expensive shit too...
Sorry I'm ranting.
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The Rock Hall does that picture shit too, a backdrop in the line to the ticket counter and of course they charge for it. I have a membership to the HOF, I'm a half-hour away, there a couple times a year, and I know what I look like. I don't want any pictures.
Never eaten there and I think it's just snacks anyways. Our holiday party was there one year when I worked at Progressive, that was pretty cool. Food was catered though. A few years before the HOF allowed cameras and around the time that phone cameras still weren't very good.
I agree on the Hard Rock Cafe food. Overpriced and not very good. We used to stop before shows, when the competing casino bought the building the Hard Rock moved out almost overnight. The food at the Hard Rock Rocksino (casino) was good but still a little overpriced.
The HOF Foundation and the actual museum itself are still separate, the museum has to deal with the shit decisions on inductees.
Or the best song ever???
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Eh, I rant a bit about it, too. Dunno why, because the RnRHoF is as meaningless as the Hard Rock Cafe is. To me, anyway.I am glad that they have at least now confirmed that their definition of 'Rock N Roll' as meaning absolutely nothing - that does explain how music from the elevator on the Love Boat qualifies...
Previously I had assumed they meant the 'Hard Rock Cafe' definition which is maximizing how to make money from shit that occasionally slightly overlaps with rock almost by accident.
I almost should have paid for the unsolicited photo last time I visited one of their restaurants when some twat stuck an $80 chinese strat copy into my hands as I walked in before I realized what was happening just for my WTF expression.
Food was tasteless but very expensive shit too...
Sorry I'm ranting.
Went into a HRC franchise down here once, located inside a casino. A bunch of instruments and stage clothes behind clear plastic display cases. Bunch of pictures of rock musicians hanging on the walls. Overpriced, greasy food of the quality I'd expect at a sporting event. Depressing experience. Mostly because to me rock music is (or should be) something living, breathing...vital.
Things in a museum or on display behind glass represent something that is dead.
Thankfully, the music itself (at least the music that was made back in the day) still gets me off.
Rocksino had one of Ed's Harleys near the main bar/HR Cafe. Not sure if they moved all that stuff to Cincy when Hard Rock took over the casino there.
I did prefer Hard Rock running the local casino vs MGM now. Got third row tickets for Cheap Trick at MGM in April.
Fan vote link
https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results...BtBecY3sWa6fio
Renewed my Rock Hall membership and stopped by Wednesday. Very light crowd, it is not exactly tourist season here. "Duet" membership went up $25 to $100, I can get in and bring a guest for free every visit. Tickets are $35 otherwise so I'll need to make a couple more trips to get my money's worth. Members get a discount at the museum shop (where everything is overpriced anyways) and usually there's presales for concert tickets.
There's an EVH display but it's all newer EVH gear and nothing of his personal stash. I'll probably go back in a month and get a pic.
I didn't realize the signatures on the wall at the HOF were on the website.
One week of fan voting left:
Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2023 Fan Vote (As of April 21, 2023)
1. George Michael: 904,680
2. Cyndi Lauper: 823,376
3. Warren Zevon: 569,007
4. Iron Maiden: 401,791
5. Soundgarden: 379,118
6. Willie Nelson: 360,130
7. Kate Bush: 311,987
8. Joy Division / New Order: 301,765
9. Sheryl Crow: 299,990
10. The Spinners: 275,313
11. Rage Against the Machine: 249,871
12. The White Stripes: 182,975
13. Missy Elliott: 132,723
14. A Tribe Called Quest: 114,519
If you'd like to read the reasoning behind an "official" voter's choices, Steven Hyden offers up
My (Non-Anonymous) Ballot For The 2023 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
uproxx.com/indie/steven-hyden-ballot-rock-hall-of-fame/
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