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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    More of your regurgitated Fox News sewage
    Oh she’s running. She ain’t hitting the Sundance and Sun Valley film festivals promoting her Netflix documentary for nothing. I don’t even watch Fox News. No I don’t waste my time with those Red team or Blue team networks. Those went to shit a long time ago.
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    Hillary's not running. We already have a two time loser right wing warmongering bankster shill corporatist in the race, and that would be Biden. Hillary wouldn't want to split that vote.... which is also why Biden didn't run in 2016. They would cancel each other out.

    If Hillary's planning something, it's far more sinister..... and that would be gambling on a brokered Democratic convention where no candidate has secured enough pledged delegates to claim the nomination (Bernie, Biden, Warren, or Mayo Pete being the likely survivors at this point)

    Under the current rules of the Democratic party, only the pledged delegates can vote on the first ballot. Should there be no winner there, the so-called "superdelegates" come in on the second ballot. If they still can't decide on a winner, somebody might then suggest a "compromise" candidate that all parties can agree on. This is where Hillary might try to insert herself into the process, buy off the superdelegates, and emerge as the nominee without winning a single fucking primary vote.

    Or at least that's her dream scenario. Chances of it happening in reality? Bernie delegates aren't going to put up with it obviously. Warren delegates? Probably split there. Those who support her simply because of her gender would switch to Hillary in a heartbeat. Same with the Biden delegates who would settle for any right wing warmongering bankster shill corporatist. Mayo Pete's fans would probably prefer a younger corporatist, but if Hillary offered him the VP slot, they would probably be on board.

    Best way to avoid this? Bernie wrapping up the nomination by the end of March.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    With that understanding of how probability works I'd love to play you at poker...
    I know how it works. I realize age does factor in but the job itself is inherently dangerous. I'll be 60 soon and I got a bad ticker but the odds I'll still be alive when the next election year comes around are much better than the odds whoever wins this year will be even if it's someone much younger than me that doesn't have any major health issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Hillary's not running. We already have a two time loser right wing warmongering bankster shill corporatist in the race, and that would be Biden. Hillary wouldn't want to split that vote.... which is also why Biden didn't run in 2016. They would cancel each other out.

    If Hillary's planning something, it's far more sinister..... and that would be gambling on a brokered Democratic convention where no candidate has secured enough pledged delegates to claim the nomination (Bernie, Biden, Warren, or Mayo Pete being the likely survivors at this point)

    Under the current rules of the Democratic party, only the pledged delegates can vote on the first ballot. Should there be no winner there, the so-called "superdelegates" come in on the second ballot. If they still can't decide on a winner, somebody might then suggest a "compromise" candidate that all parties can agree on. This is where Hillary might try to insert herself into the process, buy off the superdelegates, and emerge as the nominee without winning a single fucking primary vote.
    If Trump survives this impeachment trial horseshit (He's guilty but I don't really care. I felt the same way about Bubba's impeachment.) I'd love to see the look on Hillary's ugly face after she loses again. Whether you like it or not Trump won by the rules that were in place at the time of the election. The Electoral College system. I don't see that changing this election. Personally I'd rather see someone else win but I haven't seen anyone who's running now I'd prefer. They all suck.

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    Joe Rogan gets it....


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    What about this? I know that you'll dismiss it since it's on Fox News, but still...

    Obama feels Sanders is unfit to battle Trump – and he has told people he might say so publicly

    Obama has told people in private that Sanders is both temperamentally and politically unfit to beat Trump in the 2020 general election, these people say. Among his concerns are Sanders’ strident form of politics and confrontational manners where he was known not to seek compromise during his long years in the US senate. Meanwhile, Obama is said to worry that Sanders’ far-left policies, which include massive tax increases, free college tuition and massive student debt forgiveness, would alienate even traditional Democratic voters. And may alienate them enough to re-elect Trump, who is seeking a second term despite historically low favorability ratings given his own bombastic style, these people tell FOX Business.

    With that, Obama is weighing a more forceful rebuke of Sanders as the candidate to lead the Democrats in 2020, according to people who have spoken to the former president. It’s unclear if Obama will name Sanders specifically if he does indeed decide to make a statement or if he will address the matter in more general terms as he did in November. Obama may also decide to remain silent, particularly if Joe Biden, his former vice president, or Warren begin to overtake Sanders in the early primaries and in polling.
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    Well... Barry thought Hillary WAS a good nominee in 2016. How well did that work out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Hillary's not running. We already have a two time loser right wing warmongering bankster shill corporatist in the race, and that would be Biden. Hillary wouldn't want to split that vote.... which is also why Biden didn't run in 2016. They would cancel each other out.

    If Hillary's planning something, it's far more sinister..... and that would be gambling on a brokered Democratic convention where no candidate has secured enough pledged delegates to claim the nomination (Bernie, Biden, Warren, or Mayo Pete being the likely survivors at this point)

    Under the current rules of the Democratic party, only the pledged delegates can vote on the first ballot. Should there be no winner there, the so-called "superdelegates" come in on the second ballot. If they still can't decide on a winner, somebody might then suggest a "compromise" candidate that all parties can agree on. This is where Hillary might try to insert herself into the process, buy off the superdelegates, and emerge as the nominee without winning a single fucking primary vote.

    Or at least that's her dream scenario. Chances of it happening in reality? Bernie delegates aren't going to put up with it obviously. Warren delegates? Probably split there. Those who support her simply because of her gender would switch to Hillary in a heartbeat. Same with the Biden delegates who would settle for any right wing warmongering bankster shill corporatist. Mayo Pete's fans would probably prefer a younger corporatist, but if Hillary offered him the VP slot, they would probably be on board.

    Best way to avoid this? Bernie wrapping up the nomination by the end of March.
    Bernie will get the same treatment he did in the last election. It’s going to be a 2016 repeat. They are already setting the fall of Bernie up in the media. They want an establishment Democrat. They want a Biden, a Clinton or a Bloomberg. If Bernie gets the nomination that will cause a stock market crash and the 1% don’t want that.

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    Biden was the golden boy but his mind is going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Well... Barry thought Hillary WAS a good nominee in 2016. How well did that work out?
    It would have worked out great but too many people decided to give an outsider a chance because they were sick of career politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    What about this? I know that you'll dismiss it since it's on Fox News, but still...

    Obama feels Sanders is unfit to battle Trump – and he has told people he might say so publicly



    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...mp=hp1r_5,hp1r
    Ha! Ha! Obama doesn’t want to lose money due to Sanders winning. Like I said. The markets will panic if that guy gets in. Obama believes in crony capitalism for rich guys like him and socialism for everyone else. Socialism controlled by the rich. Sanders is a loose cannon so they don’t want him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Bernie will get the same treatment he did in the last election. It’s going to be a 2016 repeat. They are already setting the fall of Bernie up in the media. They want an establishment Democrat. They want a Biden, a Clinton or a Bloomberg. If Bernie gets the nomination that will cause a stock market crash and the 1% don’t want that.
    Until one of the Republican PACs starts running ads about Bloomberg's "stop and frisk" policy, and he loses the black vote. He's done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadaverdog View Post
    If Trump survives this impeachment trial horseshit (He's guilty but I don't really care. I felt the same way about Bubba's impeachment.) I'd love to see the look on Hillary's ugly face after she loses again. Whether you like it or not Trump won by the rules that were in place at the time of the election. The Electoral College system. I don't see that changing this election. Personally I'd rather see someone else win but I haven't seen anyone who's running now I'd prefer. They all suck.
    It’s all devolved down to a joke. The US Government is DEVO. It’s devolving. That’s what happens when governments become corrupt. The majority of the US public don’t give a shit. The ones who still care about politics are mostly partisan. What keeps things going is the US Dollar is still the best fiat in the world. Everyone still wants a dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Until one of the Republican PACs starts running ads about Bloomberg's "stop and frisk" policy, and he loses the black vote. He's done.
    Trump will get another term. Then 2024 will be real wild. The thing is in the not too distant past both parties understood the integrity of our system of government came first. The partisans games dissolved when it got to the point of damaging the integrity of the rule of law or elections. I think we are heading to where having an election will be impossible because nobody will want to play inside of any kind of set of rules. We are devolving into one nonstop pissing match with nothing getting fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    What about this? I know that you'll dismiss it since it's on Fox News, but still...

    Obama feels Sanders is unfit to battle Trump – and he has told people he might say so publicly



    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...mp=hp1r_5,hp1r

    I honestly believe that more than 95% of Americans over the age of 12 years old would be more fit to be president than Trump, probably higher. The problem is that the process of being elected president doesn't have anything much at all to do with how good you would be at the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It’s all devolved down to a joke. The US Government is DEVO. It’s devolving. That’s what happens when governments become corrupt. The majority of the US public don’t give a shit. The ones who still care about politics are mostly partisan. What keeps things going is the US Dollar is still the best fiat in the world. Everyone still wants a dollar.
    If you don't realize how much more corrupt the US federal government has got since Trump was elected you aren't paying attention. You are obsessed with money fine - what happens at the next financial meltdown but this time no one trusts the government? You must know that the whole system is smoke and mirrors and bullshit, without trust in government it's fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    I don't think being consistent for your whole life is necessarily a good thing, you should change your opinion as the world changes.

    That said the stupid thing that will happen if he is nominated is that there will be a massive FEAR campaign launched against him which could very well work because most voters have no idea how the system works. They view their president as a temporary king having no idea that Bernie won't get anything even remotely radical enacted into law because even if somehow the Democrats won control of the senate, there would always be a few Democrat senators blocking him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    If you don't realize how much more corrupt the US federal government has got since Trump was elected you aren't paying attention. You are obsessed with money fine - what happens at the next financial meltdown but this time no one trusts the government? You must know that the whole system is smoke and mirrors and bullshit, without trust in government it's fucked.
    It’s been corrupt a long time Sesh and partisan politics has little to do with it. Both parties are guilty for the mess so that’s not even worth arguing about. Both Democrats and Republicans are career politicians. The US Congress is full of them and a large percentage of them have gotten rich in office and they stay in office either due to voter fraud, pork or an apathetic public. If you have people who have been in office for 30 years and have gotten rich while being there the rich have the best government they can buy.

    What keeps it all going is people want a US Dollar still. Everyone knows our government is corrupt. Everyone knows we meddle and play all sorts of geopolitical games. We no longer have the nice guy image we had after World War II. George W Bush kind of put the coffin nail in that by invading Iraq on a lie and it’s been downhill from there.

    Meanwhile everyone is so stuck in partisan bullshit nothing is going to change. This country is either going to split apart or one side has to conquer the other to keep it intact. It will be interesting. The US of the past is disappearing and you can blame whoever you want for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I don't think being consistent for your whole life is necessarily a good thing, you should change your opinion as the world changes.

    That said the stupid thing that will happen if he is nominated is that there will be a massive FEAR campaign launched against him which could very well work because most voters have no idea how the system works. They view their president as a temporary king having no idea that Bernie won't get anything even remotely radical enacted into law because even if somehow the Democrats won control of the senate, there would always be a few Democrat senators blocking him.
    Americans are no longer unified in what they want. It used to be the mass majority had an interest in preserving our constitutional republic. That’s changed now and hell we can’t even agree on what gender is anymore. Both the Democrats and Republicans used to respect the rule of law and they were careful not to cross the line where pushing things would endanger the political process. That attitude is gone now. In short. A divided house does not stand. I think the political process we have seen work in the past has become unworkable. Our government can fix anything because components of it are too busy trying to undermine each other. They public can’t agree on who the good guys and bud guys are. It’s a divide and conquer wet dream.

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    All these elections are anymore is a bunch of old narcissists fighting over who gets to be captain of the Titanic. They all can go down with the ship as far as I’m concerned. I’m just hoping to get in a lifeboat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    If you don't realize how much more corrupt the US federal government has got since Trump was elected you aren't paying attention.
    How about some examples please since I'm not paying attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It’s all devolved down to a joke. The US Government is DEVO. It’s devolving.
    Well the current government certainly is.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I don't think being consistent for your whole life is necessarily a good thing, you should change your opinion as the world changes.

    That said the stupid thing that will happen if he is nominated is that there will be a massive FEAR campaign launched against him which could very well work because most voters have no idea how the system works. They view their president as a temporary king having no idea that Bernie won't get anything even remotely radical enacted into law because even if somehow the Democrats won control of the senate, there would always be a few Democrat senators blocking him.
    If "Democrat" Senators don't vote like Democrats, primary their ass. That's what should happen to any politician not doing their job. The Joe Manchin types serve no useful purpose to the Democratic party. And in either case, Cuck Schumer shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the Senate Majority chair, because he will let the Turtle shit all over him, just like Spineless Harry Reid always did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by private parts View Post
    How about some examples please since I'm not paying attention.
    Well, let's start with the fact that most of the cabinet positions are either empty or filled with "temp hires". Not that the original cabinet chairs Cheeto hired were any good either. All of them being corporate shills with the explicit intention to destroy the agency they were put in charge of.

    When the CEO of Exxon appointed to head the State Department is the "least" corrupt guy in your cabinet, that's a record level of corruption right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Well the current government certainly is.....

    If you think an old geriatric socialist who barely survived a heart attack is going to suddenly turn things around you are naive. Nobody is fixing shit because it’s impossible to fix. The fix is issuing more fiat money and running on credit until that doesn’t work and then you have a big economic reset. Then you have war when everyone is fighting for the scraps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Well, let's start with the fact that most of the cabinet positions are either empty or filled with "temp hires". Not that the original cabinet chairs Cheeto hired were any good either. All of them being corporate shills with the explicit intention to destroy the agency they were put in charge of.

    When the CEO of Exxon appointed to head the State Department is the "least" corrupt guy in your cabinet, that's a record level of corruption right there.
    It's annoying when people make out that Trump is just usual level of shit administration, this is a whole new ballgame. Personally most of it doesn't affect me just the really important stuff like foreign policy, nukes and climate change.

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    WASHINGTON—Slamming the campaign for promoting the popular podcaster’s backing, "liberals" said Friday that Bernie Sanders’s acceptance of Joe Rogan’s endorsement sends a dangerous message that the candidate is trying to win the 2020 presidential election. “This is just the Sanders campaign opening the gates to a plurality of people who would vote for him and help him win the presidency,” said political commentator Scott Griffin, who called the campaign’s promotion of Rogan’s endorsement a true “mask off” moment, exposing Sanders’s goal of winning the Democratic primary and eventually the general election. “It’s very unnerving to see a Democratic candidate like Bernie Sanders try to court voters from varying constituencies and demographics. It’s like his whole strategy is beating Trump. We saw hints of this in 2016, but I’m truly sickened to see it rearing its ugly head again. I’m all for creating a Democratic majority, but not if we have to accept more people than the other side has.” Griffin added that it was even more disturbing that Sanders would attempt this during an election year.

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    I've been following Rogan's career since Hitch from this site started trolling his forum back maybe 15 years ago now. Because he was an early adopter like we were on the big open free speech forum that directly led to him being the biggest podcaster around - funny how things work out. On the downside he's been completely wrong about so many things, I watched him shout abuse at people being sad fucking losers for having kids which now he is all over. His standup has been best described as someone talking about really interesting stuff in a dull way. He spent over a decade screaming from the rooftops about his dumb conspiracy theories about the moon landings and everything else - he was a poster boy for how ignorance could beat facts in a debate.

    All that said the thing I like about Rogan is he matured and now does actually listen and then changes his opinion which goes back to my previous post. Accepting that maybe your opinion was wrong after hearing evidence and changing it is way more rare than it should be, especially outwith the world of science.

    He's also been saying for a while that the idea that a single human out of 300 million should be put in charge of everything is fucking insane and I agree with him wholeheartedly on that.
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    Well, the single human was never supposed to be in charge of everything. That's why the US government has three branches. But then the Supreme Court decided they wanted to appoint a President (2000) and then allow corporations to pick the future ones (2010). And then the Senate stopped doing their job entirely.

    In theory, it's still three co-equal branches of government, but all three are semi-dysfunctional at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It would have worked out great but too many people decided to give an outsider a chance because they were sick of career politicians.
    Yeah, a stupid person like them whose mind has gone...
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    If you don't realize how much more corrupt the US federal government has got since Trump was elected you aren't paying attention....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Well... Barry thought Hillary WAS a good nominee in 2016. How well did that work out?
    If Trump had stayed out of it she would have won by a landslide. The GOP wasn't going to nominate anyone that could beat her. They pulled Jeb Bush out of their ass to wrestle the nomination away from Trump but it was too little too late. The fix was in but Trump wasn't in on it.

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    Hillary was never going to win in a landslide. Even if she had won the primary legitimately, she still wouldn't have inspired a big increase in voter turnout. Possibly enough to squeak by in a narrow win without the Kristopher K. Kobach racist voter suppression database, but no way in Hell would it have been anything close to a landslide.

    Of course because the primary was stolen, millions didn't bother to vote at all. And if the DLC hasn't learned that lesson and try to rig/steal the primary again, they're going to get the same result. 2016 Biden might have been a slightly better candidate than Hillary. 2020 dementia Biden is actually worse, and until now, I didn't think that could be possible.

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    Ok but has there ever in the history of politics anywhere that someone has had more people investigate them than than Hillary Clinton? I'm not saying she would be in my top 100 people but FFS clearly she just played the system and didn't technically break any laws or they would have got her at this point. I honestly think there is some bias going on at this point whereby she is held to a higher account because she had a vagina. Seriously I think you should consider that you may be accidentally bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Seriously. This shit is like watching old geriatrics fight at an assisted living home. This is what we should do. Give them all a giant rubber dildo to beat each other with. Put them in a ring and let them go at it. Holly fuck, with the egos of Trump, Bernie, Biden and Hillary it would be one hell of a visciouse and amusing fight. The last one left alive becomes president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Hillary was never going to win in a landslide.
    If Trump hadn't interfered the GOP would have nominated Cruz. Right before the election he would have been declared ineligible due to the fact he wasn't born in the United States. He tags in Kasich who immediately rolls over and plays dead. Hillary wins by a landslide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Of course because the primary was stolen, millions didn't bother to vote at all.
    Millions of liberals didn't bother to vote at all because they despise Hillary Clinton. If they were pissed off because Bernie got cheated out of the nomination they probably weren't going to vote for Hillary to begin with.

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    I can't speak for "millions of liberals" but as for myself and the liberals I know, we usually vote for the Democratic nominee whether or not that person was my first, second, or even third choice.

    I was no fan of Dukakis in 1988, but I voted for him. Voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, and even in 1996, despite his failure to live up to his campaign promises. Didn't really have a preference between Gore & Bill Bradley in the 2000 primary, so instead I voted for McCain in the GOP primary, as a strategic vote against the Chimp (sadly didn't work). But I definitely voted for Al in November.

    I even voted for Judas IsKerryot in 2004, knowing full well that Howard Dean got fucked over in Iowa. And Obama was actually my third choice but the last not-Hillary option left by the time of the WA caucus in 2008.

    Didn't vote for him in 2012 because of his bait & switch on health care, but I wasn't remotely worried about him losing to Mittens & Eddie Munster.

    But 2016 was different. They rigged & stole that primary in every way possible, and I couldn't support that. And it ain't because Hillary HAS a vagina, but it was because she IS a cunt.

    Elizabeth Warren has been pissing me off lately with her backtracking on Medicare for All, and the fact that she's taking bad advice from all the people who have been destroying the Democratic party since 1992 - which is what led to that clusterfuck that coincided with the last debate, but hopefully the blowback from that will help her realize those fuckwits are using her. If Liz was to win the nomination legitimately (which seems unlikely given the recent poll numbers) I would probably still vote for her... as long as she didn't pick some hard right dipshit like Lieberman or Kaine as her running mate.

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