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    DNC overhauls debate requirements, opening door for Bloomberg

    What a load of shit. Another unlikable old rich guy. He's gonna turn into 2020's Perot...

    Despite Bloomerg's cash, I don't think he has a chance. Opponents will pounce on "stop and frisk" and he's lost the black vote.



    By ZACH MONTELLARO, SALLY GOLDENBERG and CHRISTOPHER CADELAGO

    01/31/2020 02:18 PM EST

    Updated: 01/31/2020 04:16 PM EST


    The Democratic National Committee is drastically revising its criteria to participate in primary debates after New Hampshire, doubling the polling threshold and eliminating the individual donor requirement, which could pave the way for former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg to make the stage beginning in mid-February.

    Candidates will need to earn at least 10 percent in four polls released from Jan. 15 to Feb. 18, or 12 percent in two polls conducted in Nevada or South Carolina, in order to participate in the Feb. 19 debate in Las Vegas. Any candidate who earns at least one delegate to the national convention in either the Iowa caucuses or New Hampshire primary will also qualify for the Nevada debate.

    The new criteria eliminate the individual-donor threshold, which was used for the first eight debates, including next week's debate in New Hampshire. Bloomberg, the self-funding billionaire, has refused to take donations from other individuals, which has thus far precluded his participation in any of the debates since he joined the race late last year.

    “Now that the grassroots support is actually captured in real voting, the criteria will no longer require a donor threshold,” said Adrienne Watson, a DNC spokeswoman. “The donor threshold was appropriate for the opening stages of the race, when candidates were building their organizations, and there were no metrics available outside of polling to distinguish those making progress from those who weren’t.”

    As of Friday, the three candidates who have met the Nevada polling thresholds are Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, according to POLITICO's tracking of public polling. The other candidates, including Bloomberg, have not yet cleared the polling threshold.

    Four candidates who are slated to participate in next week’s debate — Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, Andrew Yang and Tom Steyer — have also not yet hit the new polling threshold.

    The new rules do, however, open the door for Bloomberg to participate after New Hampshire. Previously, the donor threshold had proved an insurmountable barrier for Bloomberg, who did not want to alter his promise to never accept campaign contributions — which he touts in promoting what he says is his independence from special interests.

    But Warren and other liberal supporters argued Bloomberg needs a proper vetting, particularly since his media company has been instructed not cover the Democratic primary. Some have urged the DNC to reconsider its rules to allow him to participate, and Warren has also been critical of a nondisclosure agreement women at his company signed that bar them from discussing legal claims they filed. She believes they should be released from the gag order.

    “We are thrilled that voters could soon have the chance to see Mike Bloomberg on the debate stage, hear his vision for the country and see why he is the strongest candidate to defeat Donald Trump and bring our country together,” Bloomberg’s campaign manager Kevin Sheekey said in a statement following the announcement.

    The now-eliminated donor threshold was controversial when it was rolled out last year. Campaigns charged that the threshold forced them to divert resources into collecting donors instead of investing in field work.

    But the donor threshold was rarely what determined whether candidates made the stage. The only candidate to hit a polling threshold for a debate but not qualify, due to not hitting the donor threshold, has been Bloomberg. In every other case, excluded candidates have either hit neither or just the donor threshold by the time qualification closes.

    And some argue that requiring a donor threshold in the early stages of the primary was valuable. “I think it was really important for campaigns — but also for donors — for getting people active early on … and making sure they were involved earlier than in previous elections,” Erin Hill, the executive director of ActBlue, told POLITICO. “It made sure all sorts of candidates were building grassroots programs.”

    Not everyone is thrilled that Bloomberg — who has hit 10 percent in only one of the requisite four polls released so far — could be on stage after the donor threshold was eliminated.

    “To now change the rules in the middle of the game to accommodate Mike Bloomberg, who is trying to buy his way into the Democratic nomination, is wrong,” Jeff Weaver, a senior adviser to Sanders, told POLITICO as the rules were being announced.

    Weaver pointed to other current and past candidates like Cory Booker, Yang and Julián Castro, who dropped off the stage because they couldn’t meet the minimum polling threshold.

    “Now, suddenly because Mr. Bloomberg couldn’t satisfy one of the prongs, we see it get changed?” Weaver said. “That’s the definition of a rigged system where the rich can buy their way in.”

    Steyer — like Bloomberg, a billionaire — has also been accused of buying his spot on the debate stage, having spent well over $150 million of his own money to fuel his bid, including spending eight figures to solicit donations from enough individuals to qualify. But Steyer and Bloomberg are taking two very different paths to trying to secure the nomination: Steyer is competing extensively in the four early states, while Bloomberg is skipping them entirely to focus on Super Tuesday and beyond.

    Steyer, like Weaver, the Sanders' adviser, accused the DNC of changing the criteria to benefit Bloomberg. "Back in December, I called on the DNC to open up the debate requirements so that more candidates, including candidates of color, would be able to participate, he said. “Instead, they are changing the rules for a candidate who is ignoring early states voters and grassroots donors.”

    Steyer was also critical of the polling window for the Nevada debate, noting it started later than previous debates.

    Candidates past and present had, at times, lobbied the DNC to change debate requirement rules, which would have functionally expanded the stage even as the early voting states rapidly approached.

    But the Feb. 19 debate will almost assuredly be smaller than next week’s debate, however, even without the donor threshold (and the much higher polling threshold). Some candidates are likely to drop out after Iowa and New Hampshire, and the high polling mark could keep candidates with minimal support off the stage.

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    Bloomberg is doomed. He can spin the wheels harder with his money but he ain't going to get the traction he needs.
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    Bloomberg needs to drown in a 64 ounce Big Gulp. Sick and tired of his ads on TV & even radio every 5 minutes.
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    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...vice-president

    The modern Democrat Party is all about crony capitalism. Both parties are. Bernie was popular in the last election but look at what happened. Hillary isn’t promoting herself for nothing and the Clinton machine is above the law and very well financed and connected. I’m expecting to see him get screwed. Nobody protested that much last time Bernie got the shaft. I was amazed how passive the people were. I will be amazed if there is any real violence and property damage this next time.

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    Hillary just needs a warm body to run with. Biden probably will be the guy. Libs don’t like people like Bloomberg but they are fine with political hacks like Biden and Clinton. Getting Trump will be the big battle cry and Bernie will be easy to demonize with his staffers talking about getting violent and gulags and such. Oh and election fraud too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Bloomberg needs to drown in a 64 ounce Big Gulp. Sick and tired of his ads on TV & even radio every 5 minutes.
    Let him waste his money. Who cares. Nobody is going to show up for a Bloomberg rally unless he pays them. Just view that money going into the economy because it will be spent on all sorts of things once the media companies get it. Drugs, booze, whores, nice meals, tickets to sporting events and maybe even some Victoria’s Secret merchandise for that special mistress stashed away.

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    The thing is Bernie Sanders might have been a real socialist in his younger years. He no longer is one. He’s gotten rich while in office. He got thrown under and didn’t care. Why? He made money off the campaign. He’s making money now. It’s a show. Bernie doesn’t give a damn if he gets the shaft from the party again as long as Bernie gets the $$$$$. He’s going to take a dive of again. This is like pro wrestling. People love it. They love the show and the smack talking but it’s a rigged game.

    It’s going to be Biden/Hillary 2020 after the dust settles and nobody will be all that upset because the main motto is Orange Man Bad! Got to get Trump! It will be 2016 all over again and the impeachment’s will never stop.

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    Hillary's ego would never allow her to run as VP. Otherwise she would have done so in 2008 when the job would have been hers for the asking after a fairly close primary battle with Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Hillary's ego would never allow her to run as VP. Otherwise she would have done so in 2008 when the job would have been hers for the asking after a fairly close primary battle with Obama.
    Why would an egomaniac like Mitt Romney become a junior US Senator when he already has been a state governor? Because he knew the house would impeach Trump and he figured he could use his influence in the senate to remove Trump from office.[/quote]

    I don't see that as any sort of demotion. Being a senator is still big...

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    Hillary wants the presidency. She’s probably more wealthy than Mitt is but these people want the office...[quote]

    It's about equal, around $200-250 million with their spouses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Why would an egomaniac like Mitt Romney become a junior US Senator when he already has been a state governor? Because he knew the house would impeach Trump and he figured he could use his influence in the senate to remove Trump from office.
    I don't see that as any sort of demotion. Being a senator is still big...

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    Hillary wants the presidency. She’s probably more wealthy than Mitt is but these people want the office...

    It's about equal, around $200-250 million with their spouses...
    I'm fairly convinced with Mittens that he feels he has to succeed where his father failed in 1968 re: winning the presidency. As in, it would be that singular ambition that underlies his stint in Massachusetts as governor after he couldn't beat Ted Kennedy for the Senate, then (obviously) his two runs at the presidency and now his being a Senator from Utah. In terms of his current position, it's just a way of keeping his hat in the ring and the name alive, much the same as his agreeing to meet with Trump over frog legs for a possible cabinet position.

    I don't think it is along the lines of W where one felt he had this paternal inferiority complex where HW was concerned resulting in this need to one-up his old man to prove himself to him, but rather Mitt feels he has to honor his father's failed ambitions. [Mitt's presidential ambitions] certainly have little to do with any specific policy agenda(s) or grand strategic national vision(s), because Mitt really has little to nothing in either of those respects to offer. Just standard, boilerplate centrist conservative financial policies.

    I've always gotten the feeling that Mitt still to this day can't believe he lost in 2012 to Obama, and the fact that Donald Trump has ended up in the White House instead of Mitt has to make him go WTF on a daily basis (as in "WTF happened where I, Mitt Romney, couldn't win the presidency yet Trump could?"). Much like Hillary Clinton, as long as Romney is still drawing breath and a chance, however unlikely, to win the White House still exists another future run at the presidency can never be totally discounted: [Hillary and Mittens] want the presidency...they think they deserve it, and it is alien their respective thought processes as to why they haven't won it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Why would an egomaniac like Mitt Romney become a junior US Senator when he already has been a state governor? Because he knew the house would impeach Trump and he figured he could use his influence in the senate to remove Trump from office.
    Mittens still thinks that Elohim Our Heavenly Father chose him to fulfill the White Horse Prophecy.

    Either that, or it's the unlimited supply of free milk at the ImOrangement hearings....


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