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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Silver actually IS useful as an anti-bacterial. Apparently Alex is banking on the fact that his audience is too dumb to know the difference between a bacteria & a virus.
    My friend manages a supplement shop. She says anything with silver is sold out across the entire company.
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    Unless you have a specific health problem, supplements are a waste of time. Anything approaching even a vaguely reasonable diet will give your body everything it needs.

    It's a massive pointless industry worth billions of dollars built on human anxiety rather than medical evidence. Probably best not to mention that to your friend...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Didn't he used to side with the corporatists who wanted to privatize it??


    I'll say this for Boris though... he might look like British Trump, and his politics might not be much better, but at least his own brush with death has helped him learn a lesson. I doubt Cheeto would have had that perspective.
    Yes he would have broke it up if he could, we have had conservatives in power for 10 years so any spare capacity in our healthcare system was seen as being wasteful.

    BJ's a populist buffoon who is a compulsive liar with sociopathic tendencies but he isn't as extreme a case as Trump and actually has read some books in his time.

    Still a terrible leader to have at a time like this and like Trump his instinct to react slowly and to protect corporations first has led to countless needless deaths. I doubt he will ever be held to account on that though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    My friend manages a supplement shop. She says anything with silver is sold out across the entire company.
    The silver thing is complete nonsense...

    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Unless you have a specific health problem, supplements are a waste of time. Anything approaching even a vaguely reasonable diet will give your body everything it needs.

    It's a massive pointless industry worth billions of dollars built on human anxiety rather than medical evidence. Probably best not to mention that to your friend...
    Semi-nonsense. I do take supplements daily, but vitamins every other day, as you can get a build up of some vitamins that can be toxic, such as E. There are some that have been shown in peer reviewed studies to help. I take Vitamin D because I am shown to have a minor deficiency and it definitely boosts the immune system. Also, things like milk thistle and turmeric would be good for your liver. And turmeric has been shown to be an antiviral in some studies, and is a passive anti-inflammatory...

    But I do agree the "colloidal/salt mines/organic absorption based/silver" bullshit is nonsense and you're just better off buying the cheapest multivitamin confirmed in studies to contain what it says -as long as taken in the correct amount and with food...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Unless you have a specific health problem, supplements are a waste of time. Anything approaching even a vaguely reasonable diet will give your body everything it needs.

    It's a massive pointless industry worth billions of dollars built on human anxiety rather than medical evidence. Probably best not to mention that to your friend...
    Oh, I know. She used to try to get me on certain things. I did try the blood pressure capsules but they didn't work, got back on the meds and it's okay. I buy energy drinks from her store, and that's it. Maybe some protein snacks, I like the Optimum Nutrition wafers and Quest protein chips. Could get 'em on Amazon but since I'm still working I'll shop in person. They wouldn't be here in two days with Amazon now anyway.

    They sell a lot of the protein and creatine junk that the bodybuilders use. I'm not interested in that shit.

    She's usually big on elderberry but I guess it makes kung flu worse. I just stick with vodka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Unless you have a specific health problem, supplements are a waste of time. Anything approaching even a vaguely reasonable diet will give your body everything it needs.

    It's a massive pointless industry worth billions of dollars built on human anxiety rather than medical evidence. Probably best not to mention that to your friend...
    Only supplement I'm currently on is beet root powder capsules. Sure I could get the same benefits by eating beets... I just fucking hate the taste of the damn things.

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    Hey I'm saying that but I get my anxious moments too so I have some multi vitamins and some vitamin D in my drawer here. 95% of the time I forget to take them.

    Funny thing is that the thing I think that has helped me with bugs and shit after spending the 90s eating vitamin C pills and so on was about 10 years ago when I got into hand washing, hand sanitizers and using my knuckles to press buttons on ATMs and so on. My cold and flu bugs reduced hugely although I would get the piss taken out of me sometimes by friends for being a bit anal about it. I wasn't Howard Hughs but just aware of it. Like if you let yourself eat cakes but try and avoid it day to day.

    Of course everyone is with the program now. I wonder if shaking hands may actually go permanently. I've never been a big fan of it myself, I didn't really see the point and then every so often you run into that sad cunt who thinks you will think he has a big dick if he crushes your hand,

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Only supplement I'm currently on is beet root powder capsules. Sure I could get the same benefits by eating beets... I just fucking hate the taste of the damn things.
    I know a kidney specialist who has seen good results from his patients eating beets or taking a good beet supplement. Beets help your blood circulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Oh, I know. She used to try to get me on certain things. I did try the blood pressure capsules but they didn't work, got back on the meds and it's okay. I buy energy drinks from her store, and that's it. Maybe some protein snacks, I like the Optimum Nutrition wafers and Quest protein chips. Could get 'em on Amazon but since I'm still working I'll shop in person. They wouldn't be here in two days with Amazon now anyway.

    They sell a lot of the protein and creatine junk that the bodybuilders use. I'm not interested in that shit.

    She's usually big on elderberry but I guess it makes kung flu worse. I just stick with vodka.
    I used to body build and you can either eat a ton of meat or take a good protein supplement. You got to have the protein to build the muscles. So there is a place for supplements. Most people would be fine if they ate a good balanced diet, got some exercise and kept the weight off. I find it funny when fat people obsess over supplements when they really should be on a serious diet and getting some exercise. Their obesity is going to kick their ass before what they are worrying about will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Only supplement I'm currently on is beet root powder capsules. Sure I could get the same benefits by eating beets... I just fucking hate the taste of the damn things.
    I love beet soup!

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    Corona Cunt of the Day 4/18/20 - John "Fat Bastard" Hagee


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    Speaking of which......


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    Fuck sake.

    Also what is wrong with this chant 1776 TEXAS?

    At the end a commercial for his 'supplement' to change your DNA to beat COVID?
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    Jesus H. Christ, my sister has lost her fucking mind.....

    She just parked her car at my house so she could walk down to the Capitol and participate in this stupid "protest" against Jay Inslee and his "Stay home" orders.

    Ironic thing is, she's no fan of the Orange Asshole, and not even a political right winger. She IS somewhat of a Fundagelical though, and doesn't like the fact that she can't go to church on Sunday.

    Told her that this shit was all being bankrolled by EriKKK Prince and his dumbass sister, but to no avail.

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    Don't let her anywhere near you.

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    I'm not so worried about myself as I am my 78 year old mother.... because my sister's been living with her the last few years due to mom's health issues. Most of which involved brittle bones, but there were a couple of cardiac issues in there as well.

    Told my sister she needed to take a Purel shower when she got home, before she went in the house.

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    Protesting for the Freedom to Catch the Coronavirus
    The reopen America protests are the logical conclusion of a twisted liberty movement.


    By Charlie Warzel

    April 19, 2020

    A demonstrator in Lansing, Mich., walked between a line of cars as they drove past the State Capitol and honked in protest against coronavirus restrictions.Credit...Paul Sancya/Associated Press

    At a string of small “reopen America” protests across the country this week, mask-less citizens proudly flouted social distancing guidance while openly carrying semiautomatic rifles and waving American flags and signs with “ironic” swastikas. They organized chants to lock up female Democrat governors and to fire the country’s top infectious disease experts. At one point during protests at the Michigan Capitol, the group’s orchestrated gridlock blocked an ambulance en route to a nearby hospital.

    For those who’ve chosen to put their trust in science during the pandemic it’s hard to fathom the decision to gather to protest while a deadly viral pathogen — transmitted easily by close contact and spread by symptomatic and asymptomatic people alike — ravages the country. But it shouldn’t come as a surprise. This week’s public displays of defiance — a march for the freedom to be infected — are the logical conclusion of the modern far-right’s donor-funded, shock jock-led liberty movement. It was always headed here.

    Few demonstrate this movement better than Alex Jones of Infowars — one of the key figures of Saturday’s “You Can’t Close America” rally on the steps of the Capitol building in Austin, Tex. For decades, Mr. Jones has built a thriving media empire harnessing (real and understandable) fear, paranoia and rage, which in turn drive sales of vitamin supplements and prepper gear in his personal store. The Infowars strategy is simple: Instill a deep distrust in all authority, while promoting a seductive, conspiratorial alternate reality in which Mr. Jones, via his outlandish conspiracies, has all the answers. He’s earned the trust of a non-trivial number of Americans, and used it to stoke his ego and his bank account. And he never lets reality get in the way (case in point, holding a stay-at-home order protest in Texas the day after the state announced it would begin efforts to carefully reopen in coming weeks).

    Former employees have described Mr. Jones to me as master of manipulating the truth into a convenient worldview in which Infowars and its listeners are constantly victimized by powerful institutional forces. “We kept saying ‘We’re the underdogs’ — that was our mantra,” one former employee told me in 2017. To make this work, Mr. Jones molds the day’s news into conspiratorial fables.

    A novel virus — about which so much is unknown and where expert opinion is constantly shifting — is a near perfect subject for Infowars to fit the news to its paranoid narrative. Uncertainty over the virus’s origins in China is a springboard to float unproven theories about bioweapons. Discussions about a vaccine to end the epidemic become conspiracies about billionaire tech leaders pushing population control. Changing epidemiological models that show fewer projected Covid-19 deaths (because social distancing has worked to slow infections) provide an opening for Mr. Jones to rant about stay-at-home lockdowns. Genuine fears about deeply unfair job losses and economic recession become reckless theories about Democrat-led plans to punish American citizens by driving them into poverty.

    Jones’ opportunistic rantings fit neatly into a larger right-wing strategy, which has grown alongside Infowars. Just as Infowars rallies are tied to the media outlet’s financial interest in antigovernment paranoia, a few of this week’s rallies have been underwritten by political organizations with ties to the Republican Party and the Trump administration. Regardless of who’s behind them, the intent is to sow division and attempt to reshape public opinion. As Vox’s Jane Coaston wrote, they’re “designed to pit Republican-voting areas of states against their Democratic-voting neighbors, even rural Republicans against urban Republicans.”

    It’s important to note that the reopen protests have been generally small (at most, hundreds of people in states of millions of citizens responsibly staying at home) and don’t even reflect the polled opinions of many conservatives. But they fit neatly into a larger campaign playbook and take on outsize importance. They take place frequently in swing states or states with Democratic governors and are plastered across social media, reported in mainstream organizations, openly cheered on by Fox News and right-wing media, and ultimately end up amplified (tacitly or explicitly) by the president. The strategy has worked well in recent years, consolidating support among the Trump base.

    As a political movement, the Make America Great Again crowd relishes turning criticism from ideological opponents into a badge of honor. Confrontation of any kind is currency and people taking offense to their actions is a surefire sign that they’re correct. The MAGA mind-set prioritizes freedom above all — especially the freedom from introspection, apologizing or ever admitting defeat. But the movement, which has been building since the Tea Party protests, has created a reflexive response among both Jones’s audience and far-right Trump supporters.

    This response is disguised as an expression of liberty, but it’s a twisted, paranoid and racialized version. Slate editor Tom Scocca defined it recently as a political ideology where supporters are “conditioned to believe that thinking about other people’s needs or interests in any way is tyranny by definition.” This wholesale rejection of collective thinking is, as Vice’s Anna Merlan notes, the cornerstone of the anti-vaccine and “health freedom” movements, which reject public health because they “don’t think their choices affect other people.”

    Unmentioned by the protesters are the workers actually keeping America open, many of them afraid for their health, with no choice and in communities devastated by the virus. The result, as my Times colleagues described Saturday, is “images of nearly all-white protesters demanding the governor relax restrictions while hoisting Trump signs and Confederate battle flags, as the virus disproportionately impacts Michigan’s black residents.”

    This coronavirus protest movement is merely the confluence of this perverted liberty ideology — honed and pushed by Mr. Jones, right-wing interest groups and pro-Trump media — and the dynamics of an online information ecosystem that prioritizes conflict to generate attention. When Infowars-style tactics meet online platforms the result is a flattening of all nuanced arguments of science and politics into a simplified struggle between patriots and tyrants. Small protests incorrectly blossom into a false national narrative.


    And so here we are in 2020, protesting statewide lockdowns intended to save lives while thousands of Americans across the country grow sick and die each day. That a virus that demands a united front — where our public health is only as strong as our least vigilant citizens — should come at a moment of extreme polarization is a tragedy. But this moment is what we’ve been headed toward for years. And so the “reopen America” protests feel unconscionable and yet completely predictable. The playbook isn’t new. The only thing that’s changed are the stakes, which get higher every day.

    NY Times Editorial

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    Two stories I saw today


    Top vaccine expert says he was fired for resisting Trump on hydroxychloroquine


    Rick Bright, who directed key government agency, tells New York Times refusal to embrace unproven treatment led to departure




    A senior US government doctor who worked on the search for a coronavirus vaccine has claimed he was fired after resisting Donald Trump’s push to use the unproven drug hydroxychloroquine as a treatment, the New York Times reported on Wednesday.

    Rick Bright was this week ousted as director of the US health department’s Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or Barda, and as the deputy assistant secretary for preparedness and response.

    In a stunningly candid statement, Bright highlighted his refusal to embrace hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug relentlessly promoted by the president and Fox News despite a lack of scientific studies.

    “Specifically, and contrary to misguided directives, I limited the broad use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, promoted by the administration as a panacea, but which clearly lack scientific merit,” Bright said.

    “While I am prepared to look at all options and to think ‘outside the box’ for effective treatments, I rightly resisted efforts to provide an unproven drug on demand to the American public.”

    Trump repeatedly touted hydroxychloroquine as therapy for coronavirus, pointing to a Democratic state representative in Michigan who claimed it benefited her and frequently asking: “What do you have to lose?”


    More at https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ne-coronavirus

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    Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

    Published: April 21, 2020 at 2:16 p.m. ET
    By Associated Press

    President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough against the coronavirus-borne disease

    A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.

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    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hy...udy-2020-04-21

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    At this point to influence the people that need to change their minds you need a screen cap without CNN on it...

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    The Coronacunt of the Day, Cruella de Cunt, er, Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds

    Iowa has a message for those reluctant to work at re-opened businesses
    Many Iowans who may not be altogether comfortable with the governor's decision aren't being given much of a choice.


    Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds speaks during a news conference as acting Lt. Gov. Adam Gregg, from left, looks on during the opening day of the Iowa Legislature at the Statehouse in Des Moines, Iowa on Jan. 8, 2018.Charlie Neibergall / AP file
    April 29, 2020, 10:12 AM EDT
    By Steve Benen

    As coronavirus outbreaks continue to emerge far outside coastal urban areas, there's cause for concern in Iowa. As Rachel explained on the show last night, there have been dramatic reports out of Waterloo, Cedar Falls, and Sioux City in recent weeks, in a state where Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds (R) never issued a statewide stay-at-home order.

    What's more, it's difficult to be optimistic about the near future. The Des Moines Register reported yesterday that researchers at University of Iowa warned Reynolds' administration to maintain existing mitigation efforts or "a second wave of infections is likely."

    The article added, "The warning was included in a 12-page report sent last week to the Iowa Department of Public Health from a team of researchers at the University of Iowa College of Public Health. The report said researchers found signs of a slowdown in COVID-19 infection and mortality rates in Iowa, 'but not that a peak has been reached.'"

    Despite the warnings, and the fact that some of the nation's fastest-growing outbreaks are unfolding in her state, Iowa's GOP governor is moving forward with plans to re-open parts of the state as early as Friday.

    But let's say you're one of the Iowans who's currently at home because of the public-health crisis, and you're not too keen on the idea of rushing back to the workplace in a state where the threat is quite real. Let's also say your employer has been directed by the state to re-open its doors.

    As the Des Moines Register also reported, Kim Reynolds' administration apparently has a message for you, too.

    Iowa is warning furloughed workers that they will lose their unemployment benefits if they refuse to return when their employer calls them back to work.... Iowa Workforce Development said Monday that failing to return to work out of fear of catching the virus will be considered a voluntary quit, which disqualifies workers from receiving unemployment benefits.

    In fact, as the governor takes steps to re-open 77 of the state's 99 counties this week, Iowa's Workforce Development department is urging employers to report workers who don't return to their jobs.

    In other words, many Iowans who may not be altogether comfortable with the governor's decision aren't being given much of a choice: go back to work during a pandemic or lose the financial benefits keeping many families afloat.

    Reynolds, for what it's worth, won a competitive statewide race in 2018 by less than three percentage points. She won't be up for re-election until 2022.

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    Remember when the Orange Imbecile thought his "Vietnam" was dodging sexually transmitted diseases in the 1970s NYC club scene??

    Now that the US Coronavirus death toll is over 60,000, the sick fuck has literally killed more Americans than the Vietnam War.

    And just as it was with that illegal war, most of those deaths could have been avoided, if the people with brains would have acted in time to stop it.

    And I thought Chimpy's 3,000 on 9/11, another 2,000 in Katrina, and 10,00 or so dead Americans in his dumb PNAC wars was about as bad as it could get..... you can bet that monkey boy's probably feeling pretty good about himself right now.

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    Coronoa Cunt of the Day 4-30-20 : Jellyfish Pelosi


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    Sorry your bloggers are unwatchable so I don't get their points most of the time.

    This is the problem with your bubble, it's just various guys in their bedrooms with a webcam trying to get noticed after without ever actually finding anything out. It's not journalism and its really not that far from the windbags on right wing radio.

    If you are at the point of calling Pelosi a cunt then I think you've kind of jumped off an ideological cliff where you loop around the other side like Stalin and Hitler.
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    No, I usually call her a jellyfish because she has no spine. I gave her the "cunt of the day" award this time, because continuing multiple corporate bailout without a thing to help the people... well that's a real cunty thing to do, is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    No, I usually call her a jellyfish because she has no spine. I gave her the "cunt of the day" award this time, because continuing multiple corporate bailout without a thing to help the people... well that's a real cunty thing to do, is it not?
    You're fucking insane. The little people have a $600 stipend in their unemployment because of her and some others. But maybe the Dems should look like assholes and stymie any relief that isn't perfect for you, right Ford? And never ever get fucking elected again..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    No, I usually call her a jellyfish because she has no spine. I gave her the "cunt of the day" award this time, because continuing multiple corporate bailout without a thing to help the people... well that's a real cunty thing to do, is it not?
    I call her Cruella DeVil. Washington DC has devolved into a cartoon show.

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    Florida to cover up the COVID-19 deaths:

    Florida curtails reporting of coronavirus death numbers by county medical examiners
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    Yahoo NewsMay 1, 2020, 1:35 PM EDT

    Florida health officials have halted the publication of up-to-the-minute death statistics related to the coronavirus pandemic that have, by law, been compiled by medical examiners in the state.

    The death count compiled by the Medical Examiners Commission was often found to be higher than the figures provided by Florida’s Department of Health, the Tampa Bay Times reported, prompting a review of the data and a suspension of its publication.

    State officials have not specified what they find objectionable about the medical examiners’ count, nor when they might allow it to be made public again, the Times said.

    According to the state Department of Health, 34,728 people in Florida have tested positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, and 1,337 people have died from it, as of Friday morning.

    Dr. Stephen Nelson, chairman of the state Medical Examiners Commission, told the Tampa Bay Times that state officials informed him that they would remove the cause of death and a description of each case from statistics published by the examiners.

    “This is no different than any other public record we deal with,” Nelson said. “It’s paid for by taxpayer dollars and the taxpayers have a right to know.”

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis announced Wednesday that the state would begin lifting coronavirus restrictions for some businesses everywhere but Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties, which have been particularly hard hit by the virus.

    “These counties have seen the lion’s share of the state’s epidemic,” DeSantis said, “but they are trending in a positive direction.”

    The day before DeSantis’s order, Florida reported 83 deaths from COVID-19, the highest number to date. On Friday the state reported another 47 deaths and 1,038 new cases of COVID-19.

    Fewer than 2 percent of Florida’s 21.5 million residents have been tested for the virus, the Miami Herald reported on Friday. Of residents who have been tested, 9 percent have come back positive for the virus, according to the Tampa Bay Times.

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    I voted for DeSantis's opponent in 2018. If memory recalls, DeSantis won the election in a relative squeaker. DeSantis's 2018 opponent, Andrew Gillum, was found this past March in a Miami Beach hotel room with two other men, one of whom was a reported gay male escort. Along with the men were quantities of what was suspected to be crystal meth. Gillum, who is married to a woman and claims to be a heterosexual non-drug user, has now entered the requisite "rehab" program that many in the public eye do after being caught in such circumstances.

    DeSantis has floundered in recent weeks with the mass unemployment claims going unanswered or rejected. DeSantis's default response has been to blame his predecessor, current Florida Senator then-Governor Rick Scott, for the current situation of the state unemployment website frequently crashing leaving literally millions of Floridians unable to get their unemployment claims processed and get relief by way of the checks. Well, hey, DeSantis voluntarily ran for this job. To be sure, Florida has spent the past decade and a half lowering the cap on claims, lowering the amount of weeks one can be on the dole and lessening the amount of staff to process claims. And that was all good and well when there was work to be found. Now, you, DeSantis, have a crisis on your hands. Fix it. You wanted this job. Time is of the essence.

    As to the rest of the article, it wouldn't be surprising if the released FDH figures are lower than the count compiled by the FMEC: with less than 2% of the residents having been tested, who the fuck knows how many people in the state actually have it, or had it? Just 2 nursing homes in one county (neither home either in or near Broward, Miami-Dade or Palm Beach) within 5 miles of each other down here a week ago reported 23 deaths between the two locations and 100+ infections between residents and staff.

    As insane as it sounds, though, I understand people wanting to get things opened up again and get back to work. The massive federal small business loan/grant plan hasn't trickled down quickly enough in terms of getting money into business owners hands. Neither has the unemployment money with the attached $600 per week federal sweetener. A lot of people haven't been working for over a month and are running out of (or have already run out of) cash. Things are at the point where folks are ready to go out, get things going and take their chances with the virus. It's to the point for some where the choice is dying on your feet or on your knees.
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