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    Lot of talk about restrictions for people who don't get a COVID vaccine... all just speculative crap at this point. There's very few "legal" restrictions in the US for non-vaccinators mostly just restrictions in public school systems. I have a feeling some states may go over-board on this in the coming year...

    My daughter recently recovered from it... she's an RN working in a COVID unit at a local hospital. Mostly mild symptoms... but she's a healthy 22 yr old with no other health issues. Her employer is requiring all hospital staff to get vaccinated, but given her recent exposure she's on the bottom of the priority list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
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    As Von pointed out... one would have to be delusional to think Trump is the example being followed across the country in regards to mask mandates and how serious people are taking things. Local and State authorities are the ones setting the trends in the cities and communities they live in. Most people follow what's going on in their immediate area... not the jackass in Washington... Y'all give Trump far too much credit...
    I guess that is why ICU units are filling up across America. Delusional indeed...
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    Still some evidence around that Vitamin D helps, no harm in the old folk that hang about this forum popping one each day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I guess that is why ICU units are filling up across America. Delusional indeed...
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    There is a checker here for your county.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...8145728#lookup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I guess that is why ICU units are filling up across America. Delusional indeed...
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    They aren't. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
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    Where did you get the information that they weren't getting busier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Where did you get the information that they weren't getting busier?
    The internet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Where did you get the information that they weren't getting busier?
    Or maybe Von is jerking off to Tucker or Sean. That's what gay old white men do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
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    You're in luck... in 30 days... one lying asshole on his way out and a new lying one on his way in.

    I can't wait to see the significant change in epidemiology and science facts come January 20th... it'll all be better right..?
    Nice false-equivalency, old man. Sleepy Zah...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Where did you get the information that they weren't getting busier?
    Well, supposedly we (Michigan) have been getting ravaged again. Yet my Son that's is an ER Doctor at three different facilities, is seeing zero increase in hospitalizations. I have several other family members working in different hospitals than he works in, that are saying the same thing.

    So, you can believe the people actually working in hospitals, or you can be like Nickdelusional, and believe the FAKE NEWS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Or maybe Von is jerking off to Tucker or Sean. That's what gay old white men do...
    I could not even begin to guess who "Tucker or Sean" are. That's a FACT.

    But I have been jerking off to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I could not even begin to guess who "Tucker or Sean" are. That's a FACT.

    But I have been jerking off to you.
    I'm blushing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Well, supposedly we (Michigan) have been getting ravaged again. Yet my Son that's is an ER Doctor at three different facilities, is seeing zero increase in hospitalizations. I have several other family members working in different hospitals than he works in, that are saying the same thing.

    So, you can believe the people actually working in hospitals, or you can be like Nickdelusional, and believe the FAKE NEWS.
    Fair enough, The data is online and Mi ICU beds are down not up at the moment which is great but but there are a lot of other states not like that and it could change very soon.

    I'm sure that there is no way your son is saying 'don't worry about it' or 'its' all BS' or 'don't take the vaccine'.

    Also good on him and respect for doing a fucking tough job. I have huge respect for ER doctors - special people. Never met one I didn't respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Well, supposedly we (Michigan) have been getting ravaged again. Yet my Son that's is an ER Doctor at three different facilities,...and believe the FAKE NEWS.
    I've never heard a thing about Michigan. After all you all voted for Biden. But places like Texas and Arizona ARE seeing a massive spike! Refrigerated "reefer" trucks filled with bodies. Good thing your son hasn't had to send anyone into those!

    That's kind of like saying "hey, my son is in the Army and he is stationed on North Dakota! He hasn't been bombed yet, therefore World War II must be fake news!"

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    Ironically, this guy was NOT a COVID denying, mask hating dipshit like Louie Gohmert. Though he looks reasonably healthy here, his immune system must have been completely fucked for COVID to take him out in less than two weeks at the age of 41. Sad for his wife and two young kids.... hope he didn't get them sick too.
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    I'm finding the sudden volume of public service messages from our state department of health encouraging people to get vaccinated... quite annoying. I don't oppose the vaccination programs... it's just annoying to hear about something that you can't take advantage of for months...

    You really need to do this... sign me up!... sorry, you don't qualify at this time...

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    It may actually be very clever psychology.

    Telling the dummies that that are anti vaccine that they can't have the vaccine could make them want it. Also the people whose objections were that it seemed to have come along too quickly will feel it's been around for a while by the time they get it.

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    Got an email from Safeway, of all places, the other day. Said the vaccines were "on their way". But it didn't specify which ones or exactly when that would be. Can't imagine getting a shot at the grocery store, but apparently this is a "thing" now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    It may actually be very clever psychology.

    Telling the dummies that that are anti vaccine that they can't have the vaccine could make them want it. Also the people whose objections were that it seemed to have come along too quickly will feel it's been around for a while by the time they get it.
    Good point... reverse psychology!

    We tried that once with our kids... told them they shouldn't eat broccoli. It's an adult food that wasn't good for kids. Failed miserably. They just celebrated not getting forced to eat it...

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    I will never understand why despite every bit of evidence in front of them the majority of white Americans thought that a Trump presidency would be good at handling this year.

    If you don't beat the virus you then you can forget everything else.

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    What exactly do you believe that this majority of white Americans thought..?

    I'm curious as to your perception of what Americans think or value. In our local community the overwhelming consensus is no matter who you voted for president... handling of the pandemic by any government body has been a mixture of failed and ineffective measures to contain the virus worldwide. The facts indicate the virus has not been controlled anywhere with few exceptions by any particular political entity.

    Also curious what your perception of the demographics are? Do you really think all the white people are Republicans or vote conservatively and the non-white people are the opposing political side..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    What exactly do you believe that this majority of white Americans thought..?

    I'm curious as to your perception of what Americans think or value. In our local community the overwhelming consensus is no matter who you voted for president... handling of the pandemic by any government body has been a mixture of failed and ineffective measures to contain the virus worldwide. The facts indicate the virus has not been controlled anywhere with few exceptions by any particular political entity.

    Also curious what your perception of the demographics are? Do you really think all the white people are Republicans or vote conservatively and the non-white people are the opposing political side..?
    Why would I think that, who said all???

    I was just talking about the fact that unlike any other ethnic group, the majority of white voters voted for Trump. Around 57% vs 42% for Biden. I found that surprising and I'm aware that it's almost certain therefore that a majority of American CVH fans voted for Trump.

    If you engage with the facts then unless you have a particular personal advantage from a specific policy say on private healthcare, abortion, or a tax advantage then to most people outside the US this is surprising. My point was that even if you had something like that going on Trumps failure on the virus would/should lead people to believe that a massive unthinkably huge public health project of trying to vaccinate 100s of millions of people would not be best served by him. Since without fixing the virus nothing else improves then I find it weird that people didn't prioritize it.

    Your answer seems nihilistic especially given that the US used to lead the world in pandemic response and huge preparations under Obama and Bush had been made for such an event that Trump ignored and didn't use.

    For reference

    https://www.vox.com/2020/11/7/215513...mp-voters-2020

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/608647/
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    I believe the perception of leading in pandemic responses is interesting... that lead was mostly due to the capability to deploy help abroad for most pandemic events in recent history. The US has far more resources in that respect to help less capable countries.

    Internally the US has been mostly just lucky that the previous outbreaks weren't as contagious as SARs-COV-2 and didn't take hold in the general US population.

    This time it did hit us and the world hard without any exceptions.

    Some view the US federal government and in many cases, the Trump administration, as the sole succeed or fail element in dealing with the pandemic. That's really not the case and few countries have the complexity of the multiple layers of government that makes up our republic.

    Specifically in regards to the vaccine... Trump and the federal government did do a great job in getting generally safe and effective vaccines developed, tested and approved in record time. They also have done a great job of getting the vaccines delivered to the states. That to me is their success...

    The current issues in getting shots into arms are not to blame on the president and federal government... that's squarely on the States, Counties and local governments. That's where the primary breakdowns and failures are happening right now.

    The states that planned and executed their vaccine distribution plans knowing the vaccine was coming are doing fairly well... many states failed to execute and get their resources prepared knowing full well this was coming... it was needed and the feds weren't going to pay them or manage it for them. That's not on Trump... it's on the Governors and local officials in charge of these things.

    Race and who voted for president isn't relevant when neither of those factors are at the root of the current challenges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
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    Specifically in regards to the vaccine... Trump and the federal government did do a great job in getting generally safe and effective vaccines developed, tested and approved in record time. They also have done a great job of getting the vaccines delivered to the states. That to me is their success...
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    Um, no, they really didn't. We are way behind in projected vaccinations actually...

    The states that planned and executed their vaccine distribution plans knowing the vaccine was coming are doing fairly well.
    Which ones? Specifically? Nice 'weasel words' though...
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    'Complete incompetence': Biden officials fume after Trump leaves them 'nonexistent' vaccine plan - link
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Specifically in regards to the vaccine... Trump and the federal government did do a great job in getting generally safe and effective vaccines developed, tested and approved in record time. They also have done a great job of getting the vaccines delivered to the states. That to me is their success...
    Which vaccines did they develop?

    Also if you believed that there was some federal plan in place for getting the vaccines delivered to the States I think you are now starting to learn that it's maybe not so good...

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    It's really kind of scary that Zah works in "the healthcare industry". Like delusionally Xanax'd. I mean it's like he's saying that Jim Jones Cool Aids© was kind of good...

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    Trump stopped doing presidential work in November and went in a huff like a 4 year old.

    In the middle of a pandemic which has killed more Americans than WWII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfish View Post
    'Complete incompetence': Biden officials fume after Trump leaves them 'nonexistent' vaccine plan - link
    Proven to be FAKE NEWS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    It's really kind of scary that Zah works in "the healthcare industry". Like delusionally Xanax'd.
    What's scary is you, Nickdelusional, thinking you know more than people that actually work in the healthcare industry, because you read it on the internet.

    We should have a window surgically implanted in your belly, so you can see where you're going with your head so far up your own ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Which vaccines did they develop?

    Also if you believed that there was some federal plan in place for getting the vaccines delivered to the States I think you are now starting to learn that it's maybe not so good...
    I know you are smarter than your question and statement implies... geez... I ain't Nick...

    You know multiple pharmaceutical companies developed the vaccine... not the government. The government provided emergency funding, which not all the companies took, but many did which greatly accelerated their ability to move rapidly on this. The government also kicked the regulatory agencies into accelerated gear to push this stuff through... that, in and of itself is a damn miracle. Not saying any of this was perfect... but far better than anything ever historically.

    Where do you get facts on distribution..? Air freight and trucks started rolling to all 50 states within 48 hours of FDA emergency approval. I know several people in the trucking industry and they are hauling/delivering loads of the vaccine daily.

    I live in one of the smaller/less populated states and have received over 380,000 doses and we're getting about 40,000 - 50,000 more per week. Larger/more populated states have received over 1,000,000 doses. Tell me about the failed deliveries..?

    Some of our local facts... https://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/pro...ccination-plan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    What's scary is you, Nickdelusional, thinking you know more than people that actually work in the healthcare industry, because you read it on the internet.

    We should have a window surgically implanted in your belly, so you can see where you're going with your head so far up your own ass.
    I dunno, maybe he's just full of shit, like your head. Drug companies are also part of the healthcare industry and have caused the opioid crisis, and insurance providers tend to be cunts that would love to deny based on preexisting conditions. So I would deeply qualify any "industry professionals" opinion that may be a bunch of self service shit stool..

    BTW, fuckstump, I didn't "read it on the internet", I know several people that were trying to get vaccinated and had their appointments cancelled...Erie county has had to cancel at least three days of vaccinations recently because they can't get it. NY gets 300K doses a week and and there were tentatively over seven million eligible. I know math is hard for you but multiply that times two and it ain't great. Since then I believe the criteria has been loosened and even more people qualify...
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    I know you are smarter than your question and statement implies... geez... I ain't Nick...

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    Then answer my question, old man. Where exactly is the vaccine rollout doing well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Then answer my question, old man. Where exactly is the vaccine rollout doing well?
    Texas. A Republican State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Texas. A Republican State.
    For now, but Ted Cruz might singlehandedly turn it blue...

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ine-doses.html

    At 4.6% Texas is lower than NY, a Blue state that subsidizes the Red State Welfare Program...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Then answer my question, old man. Where exactly is the vaccine rollout doing well?
    Texas, Florida, South Dakota...

    All 50 states and territories are receiving allocations managed by the Federal task force and HHS. From there it's in state control and the feds aren't managing that. The state level is where the distribution is having the most issues... that's on their governors and dept of health management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I dunno, maybe he's just full of shit, like your head. Drug companies are also part of the healthcare industry and have caused the opioid crisis, and insurance providers tend to be cunts that would love to deny based on preexisting conditions. So I would deeply qualify any "industry professionals" opinion that may be a bunch of self service shit stool..

    BTW, fuckstump, I didn't "read it on the internet", I know several people that were trying to get vaccinated and had their appointments cancelled...Erie county has had to cancel at least three days of vaccinations recently because they can't get it. NY gets 300K doses a week and and there were tentatively over seven million eligible. I know math is hard for you but multiply that times two and it ain't great. Since then I believe the criteria has been loosened and even more people qualify...
    Damn dude... all that foul mouthed bullshit doesn't help convey point, just makes you come off as a fool.

    Your own comment makes my point... Erie county cancelled appointments because... your state isn't allocating/delivering effectively or they signed up more arms than they had needles. That's not a Biden or Trump problem that's a Governor Cuomo and Walgreens/CVS problem or whoever is poking arms locally.

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    Von Helen, the dumb fucking simpleton hick...

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