Coronavirus Community Watch

[ZahZoo]

The reality of the vaccine distribution is a lot of people will have to wait 3-4 months before the "general public" will have the vaccine available to even make the choice to get it. This is just based on the prioritization that's happening right now...

Unless you you are in front-line health care, a nursing home, over 65, have significant comorbidities (other illness) or some other essential occupation... you won't have the vaccine available to receive until Spring at best.

[Nickdfresh]

...People with allergies are advised not to take the mRNA vaccines.

By whom?

They have had some bad reactions. We will see how it goes. You really don’t know how it’s going to work until enough people in the real world take it. They rushed this out pretty quick so there might be more problems because of that.

Where have you heard this? Link?

[Nickdfresh]

Apparently they are all ready fucking up distribution. Pfizer says they have millions of doses sitting because no one has told them where to send them...

[Nickdfresh]

The only real negative I've heard about the two initial vaccines is that, on the second dose, some people tend to have strong immune responses meaning they feel like they have a severe flu for maybe 12 hours...

[Seshmeister]

The reality of the vaccine distribution is a lot of people will have to wait 3-4 months before the "general public" will have the vaccine available to even make the choice to get it. This is just based on the prioritization that's happening right now...

Unless you you are in front-line health care, a nursing home, over 65, have significant comorbidities (other illness) or some other essential occupation... you won't have the vaccine available to receive until Spring at best.

Surprised by this, when you voted for Trump I assumed that you didn't give a flying fuck about healthcare in your country or vaccines specifically.

Supporting liars that lie again and again and again every day you will never get a vaccination to be effective. The USA could well be a no go area for years to come...

[Seshmeister]

You do know that the virus has now mutated and got way more infectious?

[ZahZoo]

Surprised by this, when you voted for Trump I assumed that you didn't give a flying fuck about healthcare in your country or vaccines specifically.

Supporting liars that lie again and again and again every day you will never get a vaccination to be effective. The USA could well be a no go area for years to come...

You might want to take your assumptions in for maintenance... they appear to be seriously malfunctioning.

Yeah, the virus has mutated quite a bit all around the globe... one science journal claims you have 17 variants in the UK alone, probably more and one rather nasty one currently ravaging the country... There may be thousands of variants globally. Who knows?

Does the integrity of the people/assholes in politics really matter in any of this..? How many honest ones do y'all have over there in the UK..?

[Nickdfresh]

You might want to take your assumptions in for maintenance... they appear to be seriously malfunctioning.

Yeah, the virus has mutated quite a bit all around the globe... one science journal claims you have 17 variants in the UK alone, probably more and one rather nasty one currently ravaging the country... There may be thousands of variants globally. Who knows?

Does the integrity of the people/assholes in politics really matter in any of this..? How many honest ones do y'all have over there in the UK..?

The virus has mutated but they are minor variations, I think I've read one made it a bit less deadly and others made it vastly more communicable. The good thing about this virus is that it apparently is more like the measles than a flu virus in that major mutations are slow and a vaccine should be good for years if not decades.

But if you voted for Trump, you voted for a guy that couldn't have done more to kill as many Americans as possible. That's just a fucking fact...

[Seshmeister]

The new English variant as you say doesn't seem to be more deadly and the vaccine should still work against it but it is up to 70% more infectious. When the science guys plugged that into their models it scared the shit out of them so we are all going to be locked down from Boxing Day. It's already the most common version of the virus in England.

[Seshmeister]

Does the integrity of the people/assholes in politics really matter in any of this..? How many honest ones do y'all have over there in the UK..?

It really really does.

If you are trying to get a country to do stuff that is not fun it really matters if you have been lying all the fucking time about other things.

The countries with the big fat lying populists Brazil, Britain and the USA are not doing well. In Russia people are refusing to take their vaccine because of all the lies.

There is normal political BS and there is this new level of ridiculous barefaced lying we now have. It's not the same.

[ZahZoo]

Blaming the heads of a state and attacking your friends based on voting choices is really gonna get shit shit straightened out eh..?

Panic and spray and pray the blame away... It would all be better if it wasn't for this lying asshole here, there or anywhere... if it were all that simple.

You're in luck... in 30 days... one lying asshole on his way out and a new lying one on his way in.

I can't wait to see the significant change in epidemiology and science facts come January 20th... it'll all be better right..?

[twonabomber]

You're in luck... in 30 days... one lying asshole on his way out and a new lying one on his way in.

"I'm gonna ask everyone to wear a mask for 100 days." After we've been wearing masks for 200 days.

"15 days to slow the spread" was 250 days ago.

Our governor has Pfizer stock and he claims he doesn't know what stock he has.

Politicians from both sides setting mandates and then defying those mandates.

Never a mention of recovered cases, only the doom and gloom.

"It's patriotic to wear a mask." No, it's patriotic to tell the government to fuck off when you're pretty sure the government is full of shit.

[twonabomber]

How long before we see commercials from ambulance chasing lawyers that say "if you got the COVID vaccine and suffered side effects, you may be entitled to compensation?"

[Seshmeister]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/12/trump-covid-scandal-continues.html

The Trump Coronavirus Scandal Continues
A new report from the Washington Post details more malfeasance by the president and his aides.

By WILLIAM SALETAN
DEC 21, 20206:24 PM



Who’s responsible for America’s disastrous mismanagement of COVID-19? Four months ago, when the U.S. death toll was around 160,000, I outlined President Donald Trump’s role in the catastrophe. Since then, the body count has nearly doubled. A new report, published this weekend in the Washington Post, adds to the incriminating evidence. It details multiple incidents of negligence and malfeasance, attributed by the Post’s sources to specific administration officials. Each of these incidents deserves further investigation. Here’s what the Post found on the alleged culprits.

1. Trump.

The president’s pollster, Tony Fabrizio, surveyed swing states in July and found decisive support for mask mandates. A Trump campaign memo noted that most Republicans supported “mandatory masks at least indoors when in public.” The memo said voters favored the idea of Trump “issuing an executive order mandating the use of masks in public places.” The Post says that based on these findings, Fabrizio, Jared Kushner, and then–Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale “urged Trump to model good behavior by wearing a mask, and to encourage his supporters to do so.” But Trump refused. A campaign adviser says Trump listened, but “the argument just didn’t move him.”


2. Stephen Miller.
One reason for Trump’s mask refusal—and for his repeated criticism of masks, which sabotaged efforts to promote their use—was contrary political advice from other aides. The Post says Trump was “following the advice of Stephen Miller, Johnny McEntee, Derek Lyons and other trusted aides to think of masks as a cultural wedge issue.” This implies that Miller and others overrode life-saving public health recommendations for the sake of what they thought would be political advantage.

3. Mark Meadows.
A few months into the crisis, Trump stopped showing up at press briefings on the virus. An administration official says Meadows, Trump’s chief of staff, made this decision on the grounds that politically, talking about COVID “was a loser message.” Meadows rejected pleas from Fabrizio and other advisers to promote masks. In the fall, he told health officials—including Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House Coronavirus Task Force—that “he did not believe their troubling data assessment” of the coming winter death toll. And when COVID invaded the White House, Meadows “sought to conceal some cases … and instructed at least one fellow adviser who sought to disclose an infection not to.” A Post source says Meadows “threatened to fire White House Medical Unit doctors … if they helped release information about new infections.” Meadows’ office denies this allegation.

4. Marc Short.
The article says Short, Vice President Mike Pence’s chief of staff, scrapped a proposal in March to distribute masks to every household. (The plan was reportedly shelved in part because aides “surmised” that Trump wouldn’t want to partner with the U.S. Postal Service, given its business relationship with Amazon.) Short also “advised the vice president against detailing” the rising death and infection tallies when briefing the press. Later, after Pence failed to wear a mask while visiting the Mayo Clinic, Short allegedly chewed out an official at the clinic for rebuking the vice president.

5. Scott Atlas.
The article cites multiple offenses by Atlas, the radiologist who supplanted Birx and Fauci on the virus task force. In private conversations with Trump and Pence, Atlas dismissed grim projections from Birx and Fauci that turned out to be correct. He also steered Trump away from a broad testing plan recommended by Birx and others. In task force meetings, he argued for “substantially fewer mitigation efforts.” And after Birx urged Florida officials to restrict bars and restaurants, Atlas went to Florida and advised the governor to do the opposite.

6. Brad Smith.
Smith, the director of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation, is accused of suppressing death projections. Max Kennedy, a volunteer brought in by Kushner, says Smith “asked him and another volunteer to make a coronavirus model for 2020 that specifically projected a low casualty count.” He says Smith told him that the prevailing models were “too catastrophic” because they projected that “250,000 people could die.” Smith’s instructions, according to Kennedy, were: “I want this model to show that fewer than 100,000 people will die in the worst-case scenario.” Smith denies Kennedy’s account.


The Post also highlights other episodes worthy of scrutiny. When some Trump campaign advisers expressed concern about holding rallies that violated health protocols, they “were largely ignored, with allies arguing that rallies were key to the president’s brand and that the raucous events also helped improve his mood.” Later, Melania Trump, Karen Pence, and others hosted COVID-defiant Christmas parties at which “servers and others were forced to work and exposed for hours to guests who were not wearing masks.” According to the Post, “At least one worker who got infected never heard from anyone in the White House about the illness.”

Thousands of Americans would have died in this pandemic even under ideal government. But the Trump administration’s incompetence and malfeasance made the carnage many times worse. The U.S. death toll is well above 300,000, far worse than any other country, and growing by thousands every day. In proportional terms, we have one of the worst fatality rates in the world. It shouldn’t be that way, but it is, because people in our government suppressed information, downplayed the threat, and discouraged or obstructed public health measures. Every one of those people should be investigated.





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[Seshmeister]

Blaming the heads of a state and attacking your friends based on voting choices is really gonna get shit shit straightened out eh..?

I apologize for the second part, late night internet ranting I'm afraid...