I forgot about Syracuse.
Go find Makings Of Rain if you don't have it.
I forgot about Syracuse.
Go find Makings Of Rain if you don't have it.
Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.
Yes, my very dear friend...not only Dave but band employees have completely confirmed that the band had a film crew following them for a few dates on the WACF tour and at least a few shows were filmed/recorded. I think there might be a pic or two out there confirming a show or two with film cameras visible on-stage. They filmed on-stage AND off-stage antics of this amazing band at an early peak, on the road in America and living the rock 'n' roll life in their mid-20s. If they somehow found this footage and proper multi-tracks, it would be the holy grail...possibly even more-so than the Oakland '81 footage. But who knows if it still exists? Ed built his studio in '83. But he was still a drunk...and he didn't have the best personal management. So who knows if he really put out the effort to dig up and locate all the old multi-tracks and footage that was already floating around before 5150 was built. He just never struck me as someone who had the prolific & organized nature Frank Zappa had with his vaults.
Fuck...this whole vault topic needs its own thread, methinks. I might get on that later.
Roth Army Militia
Originally posted by WARF
Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.
New Ted Templeman interview. Its a hard read at times.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...rview-1073080/
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Ironic that Ted Templeman didn't like "Jump" or Eddie's use of synthesizers, since he also produced the Doobie Brothers, and had no problem with what Michael McDonald did to them, which was pretty much the equivalent of Hagarization.
Eat Us And Smile
Cenk For America 2024!!
Justice Democrats
"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992
how about a reunion tour with mitch malloy on vocals.
i'm sad because VH was my first concert, and the last two i had tickets for were cancelled (DLR supposedly had a sore throat.
here's what i think i think: me wise and cant get this stuff were pretty great. BOBW was not. the first two extreme albums are pretty good and are so raunchy (counter to what most think about extreme). i like sammy and his songs, just not as much as dave and that's ok. and if others disagree that's ok too. eddie's a dick, i know it, and i'm willing to forgive. ADKT was mixed wrong and i wouldve removed one or two songs. they probably couldve just released Zero and called it a day, come out on top. mike is such a huge part of the sound. 3 is awful but there a couple of hooks. VH1 sounds like it's from the future. when tattoo came out and i heard those keys enter at 0:31 seconds, i got chills. diver down isnt as bad as ed thinks. dave may have ceded control for FW but all those early albums are in the same ballpark- monumental. AVH is the best drummer in rock.
*exception for drop dead legs
sorry, a random stream of consciousness.
PS: "we're back!!!" (who gets it)
"Look, i'll pay you for it"
In all honesty...I have never listened to Van Halen III. I remember a weird video with ice. I was so pissed that they swerved everybody, including Dave, with that MTV debacle.
But it would still be Hagar. Just rotten lyrics...lazy, predictable, Clichéd...and the fact that he thinks he's a peer of DLR...I recommend the Greg Renoff bio of Ted Templeman to everybody. He agrees that Spam has a great vice & is a lame lyricist. The part about Ted telling Spam & Ed Leffler that he'd produce 5150 ONLY if they changed the name of band to something other than "Van Halen".....priceless! And Leffler gets a pass from me...he managed one of my all time "other" fav bands...THE SWEET!
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I can't comment on VHIII because I haven't really listened to it yet but as a fan of Nuno Tenniscourt I know a lot more about Extreme. (I know it's incongruous but I shouldn't have to explain that here of all places).
Some of Cherone's lyrics are toe curling Hagar level.
In the words of Spinal Tap (which I'm disappointed went over Ed's head according to an earlier post) there is a fine line between stupid and clever.
Because Hot For Teacher worked doesn't mean this is good in any possible way.
Or when he's lifting from Alice Cooper compare Elected withIt's getting late
So, Mutha don't you hesitate
To pack my lunch
And I'll be on my way to school
Mutha, Don't wanna go to school today
I think I'd rather go outside and play
First things first, we're gonna change the rules
Better listen up, all you boys and girls
Your prez says there'll be no after school
So vote for me, now wouldn't that be cool?
(Yeah), yeah
(Yeah), yeah
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That always kinda struck me as odd, too...the idea that Ed had all this recorded, unreleased stuff in the can, yet half of ADKOT ended up being re-recorded versions of 30 year old demos. Unless Roth just couldn't get a handle on the stuff Ed had in the can in terms of adding lyrics to it, and in terms of expediency redoing the Zero/Simmons demo stuff was the easiest route.
I'd be willing to wager there's plenty of home demo stuff Ed recorded...'noodling' as he once termed it...but how much of that is stuff one actually wants to hear...or how much of that stuff has any memorable riffs in terms of a ratio of memorable riffs to just Ed sort of 'noodling' around...like, how much of it was actually tracked out - complete with drums and bass - and just needed lyrics and vocals...
I'd tend to doubt the Van Halens would just throw that stuff out there for a cynical cash grab. At least, one would hope not. It'd be a shame to see that stuff given the treatment that, say, Jimi Hendrix's unreleased material got after he died, where some of it was good/interesting but more than a bit of it was clearly material Hendrix wouldn't have released in the state it ended up being released in, in terms of very rough demos/home recordings being put out there for purchase.
Scramby eggs and bacon.
RIP Eddie. A truly bad ass original. Your talents will shine on. Getting old sucks.
RIP EVH. You are an original, the gold standard and there will never be another.
I am still WRECKED.
I’ve been listening to ADKOT this evening while doing my woman’s work cleaning the house (this is what was called a joke before everybody turned into PC sissies in 2020). Eight years later, I think it holds up really well. As Is sounds like it could have come off the DLR Band album. I dig it.
And whilst doing my chores - my daughter moved out two months ago so I don’t have anybody to help carry the load lol - I was thinking about the complex relationships those guys have all had with each other over the years. And even though Mikey hasn’t said he was in contact with Ed - yes, I know what Sammy said - after watching the video those two put out and reading Nuno’s interview...it makes me glad to know those guys reconnected. My best friend is my dog. My brother is a kid I met in seventh grade. And the first time I saw him walk into class I was sure I didn’t like him lol. 37 years later, we ain’t friends - we’re brothers. Luckily, we’ve never once had a serious argument. Oh, there have been threats of punching each other in the head and the like. But we have always respected each other and have never once been mad at the other for more than a few minutes. 37 years.
So I don’t care if everybody on social media, aka Facebox, wants to rip Sammy for saying how happy he was to rekindle his friendship with Edward. Blowhard that he is, Sam makes a good point. And I just wanted to say - love your friends. Check on those bastards lol! Talk shit to them! Argue and make fun of each other! Some of them may be people here you used to raise hell with or raise hell against. But you better cherish every moment. And you damn well better make the effort. Because the Grim Reaper is knocking on all our doors. I ain’t as old as ZZ or Von, but we ain’t got but so many days left. And that’s not a sad thing - I think it’s an opportunity to really live this life.
I picked a hell of a month to quit smoking...
American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.
Long time no see Donnie, geez thats alot to read...
Now who`s that babe with the fab-u-lous shad-ow?
Nah... saying goodbye sucks, sometimes...
Living life at it's fullest and pausing to appreciate all that it's brought you it is where it's at. I'm pausing briefly here to appreciate the sound track to my life... the brother and sisterhood shared... then pushing play and continuing the journey... crank it up!! There's more livin and shenanigans ahead!!
"If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”
Posted on Facebook...
Eric Johnson
There was a band in Austin Texas called Geneva and the gentleman. My friend Roscoe Beck played bass in this band. It was a nice jazz band that played around town quite frequently in the late 70s.
One night, I had gone down to sit in with them at the Sheraton hotel in Austin. After playing a couple of tunes with them I walked off the stage and a young gentleman came up to me and said hello. He was very friendly and mentioned that he was staying at the hotel and had just played a show at the Palmer Auditorium in Austin. He was in a band that had just recorded their first record and they were on their first tour of the US. I wasn’t familiar with them at this early time in their career.
We had a nice chat. His name was Eddie Van Halen and it was the first of two times that I met him. I never knew him well but I did visit with him one other time, years later after he had a number of records out and had become very successful.
I had been invited back to meet the band after their performance in Austin in the early 1990s. I had a nice chat with Eddie and he was once again very cordial.
Probably since Jimi Hendrix, Eddie was the principal guitarist that re-shaped and re-wrote rock guitar.
He left a huge and indelible mark on the evolution and contribution of great guitar playing. It’s hard to think that he’s not here anymore because he has had such an impact on guitar music.
God bless him and keep him. 🙏
Eric
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You know how they say you go through different stages of emotions during the grieving process? Well, my devastation and sadness over this death, will never subside. But, now I feel some anger seeping in. There's the obvious anger of Ed not taking care of himself. But hey, he was a rock star. I'd probably have been just as bad, or worse. Only I wouldn't have smoked. But what I really find myself angry over, is the same thing I've been so angry with this band about, for years. The time wasting. Yes, it's great he made up with Mike and even Clichegar. Yes, it was great he wanted to put the original band back together for one last hurrah. But he wasted so much time, it ended up being too late. I always thought, but never wanted to believe, this is what would happen. It would be too late.
I was working on the dune buggy last night in the garage, and I put on the US Festival show. I know, from a performance perspective, it wasn't the greatest show ever. But it was Van fucking Halen tearing it up in front of 300,000 (according to Dave) people. It gave me goosebumps. It put me back at the shows I saw. I would have loved to have seen that one more time. I really hope that Wolf, Al, or whomever, will at the very least realize how much it would mean to fans like us here, to have a high quality version of any of those shows, to enjoy anytime we want, as much as we want.
After that was over, I was searching YouTube and I came across some garage band show from 1996 hosted by Paul Schaeffer. It had a bunch of different musicians playing at the same time. Doing cover songs. Ed was on lead guitar. I had never watched it before. It was awesome. Ed looked like he was having such a great time.
Man, I'm still having trouble believing he's gone....
Listening to a lot of Sirius27...how long is this lasting? Alex's sound is so damn solid and iconic as well..
To be sure, but who knows what the rest of the stuff on Ed's home recordings sounds like or consists of?
Are the home recordings chock full of song ideas along the lines of Ripley, stuff that is worked out and structured, or is it hours upon hours of Ed noodling...where one would have to sit and listen for ages to ferret out some errant cool riffs or (from Roth's perspective) workable song ideas that are buried among hours of Ed fiddling around and making elephant noises with his Trans-Trem Sustainer?
I've had similar feelings about the time wasting over the last two decades.
I sort of rationalized it along the lines of it being unrealistic for me to expect the band to churn up the output at the pace they had in the 6 pack era, or even the Hagar era where it was an album and tour every few years instead of every year. Mostly because the band were older, had all the success and there probably wasn't that sense of urgency to keep up the grind. Put Ed's health issues in the mix at it didn't seem as unreasonable that Van Halen wouldn't be hurling along at a breakneck pace.
My hope when Roth first rejoined in late 2006 is that we'd get some new material and some steady touring. We got a few tours, a studio album and a live album. By the time early 2019 rolled around and nothing had been leaked out in terms of the band booking any venues, even before Dave announced his then upcoming Vegas solo stint I figured the band was done. Once those pics of Ed visibly ailing surfaced a year or so ago, I sort of steeled myself to the thought that Van Halen probably wasn't going to perform again. Not that I had any foresight or particular insight, but by all appearances and indications Van Halen the band was over. And in a lot of ways the band for me had been over for a long time. Really, since 2000, in terms of my thinking there was ever gonna be a full restoration of the band to their heyday. By 2000, the members of CVH just weren't the same people they were 20 years prior, and the circumstances and conditions weren't the same anymore.
I was kind of perturbed myself when Roth rejoined in late 2006, in that it felt like 1996 had been even more of a blown opportunity than it was in terms of having CVH reunite with all the members participating and in condition in terms of ability. The years between 1996 and 2006 weren't good ones for Ed. I was also a bit pissed off when 2019 rolled around and the realization hit that those three tours with Dave and the ADKOT album (and the Tokyo Dome release) was all we were gonna get for ten years of Dave working with the band.
But...
I'm not angry with Ed in terms of the smoking or how he took (or didn't take) care of himself. Not anything along the lines of "he smoked, so fuck him, he got what he deserved" either. Assumedly, he lived his life the way he wanted to. Despite his health issues, on the whole I'd imagine Ed had a better life than most. Any sadness I feel over his death is overshadowed by relief that he isn't hurting anymore.
I'm not angry with all the time the band wasted over the last twenty years, either. Not anymore. All of that is overshadowed by the music they left behind, and particularly the stuff from 1978 to 1984. I'm more happy than sad, if that makes any sense. Happy that Ed, Al, Mike and Dave created all that fantastic material that continues to resonate. However the band ended up post-1985, what they achieved prior to that transcends the largely mundane output of the Hagar years, the misfires of the Cherone period and the sporadic post-2000 output.
I'm happy for what we got, because listening to it still brings me as much pleasure as it ever did. Would more have been good? Sure. Didn't happen, but ADKOT was a decent coda, and there were points on those three 2000's Roth tours where the band conjured up the old magic. With Van Halen...Van Fucking Halen with Diamond Dave at the helm...it's all positive. Ed's passing shouldn't change that.
Eddie's "10 years worth of material" probably consists of raw riffs which might have turned into songs, given the proper process, but now that's not going to happen, for obvious reasons. The VDIII album was evidence that Ed needed a partner who did more than just write lyrics, he needed to help Eddie shape the riffs into an actual song structure. Cherone couldn't or wouldn't do this, at least not on that record. I don't know enough about Extreme to know what the songwriting process was between him & Nuno, so I can't speculate as to whether or not the songs on that second aborted Van Danniels record would have had a more coherent structure.
DLR was able to turn Eddie's riffs into masterpieces. Hagar was able to turn them into.... well, at least they were properly constructed songs, even if many of them were drowned in Velveeta.
So while Eddie's "10 years of riffs" might be interesting to listen to, as a fan, should they ever leak out, I doubt very much that they're in any sort of actual song structures. And therefore, it's nothing like the huge backlog of complete or nearly completed material that Hendrix or Prince had stashed away. Which actually sucks, because it wouldn't have been a bad thing to have "new" Van Halen records released up to 2060 - assuming any human life still exists on Earth by then.
I don't think Eddie wanted these tapes or whatever he did in his studio to be out, otherwise he would have released them, ADKOT. Probably not worth releasing imo... I am still surprised they released that live shit sounding show in Japan.
I was listening to Sirius EVH tribute all week and its' incredible how many songs I didn't know from the Hagar era and other LL Cool J. I mean the guitar work is amazing on some of these pieces, I am discovering many songs for the first time, I never thought existed due to my lack of interest to the Van Hagar era. I am not sure what the song is called, I think (but not sure) its don't tell me what love can do and the first phrasing of Eddies solo is identical to Ozzys' Crazy train or I don't know solo. Anyway, I am still shaken by is death, even though I never personally knew the guy, but VH music has always been a part of the highs and lows of my life, since 1980...RIP EVH .........I am currently watching the Cafe Wha!
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Last edited by WARF; 10-10-2020 at 05:45 PM.
I distinctly remember seeing a camera man onstage and circling the band members shooting footage at Maple Leaf Gardens (Toronto) on the W.A.C.F.
tour. How much exists is anyone's bet..
I remember how much heat Wolfie took joining the band. But as time and details surfaced about him, he actually turned out to be a blessing in many ways.
He convinced Ed & Al to do the right thing and get Dave back. Plus he was responsible for the set lists and digging out the rarely played classics...
Wolf definitely has the advantage of a fans perspective. I'm sure there will be some great stuff come out. Just hope uncle Al doesn't kibosh anything and give him full reign..
Last edited by Diamondjimi; 10-10-2020 at 08:08 PM.
Trolls take heed...LOG OUT & FUCK OFF!!!
Kudos to the new countdown clock....lol so funny
My bands EVH hot for teacher tribute....
btw... happy birthday to David Lee Roth turned 66...
Last edited by WARF; 10-10-2020 at 08:47 PM.
A not so flattering article on Ed's excesses and life...
https://pagesix.com/article/eddie-va...599.1596457979
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