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    Van Halen II Revisited

    As a change from the Hagar shit in the last few months, how about a return to basics...?

    I've been doing the strangest thing for the last couple of days, constantly listening to a Van Halen album.

    Pretty fucking weird thing for me to say I guess as a Webmaster at wwww.diamonddavidleeroth.com but after 25 years you get to the stage that the songs are so burnt out to you that you know every nuance before it happens.

    Van Halen II is a little different because apart from a couple of exceptions it's been largely ignored by Roth recently and as Van Halen I's little brother I've only listened to it a couple of thousand times.



    So I'm getting back to playing guitar after 10 years and I agree to play Dance the night away with some old friends in a week or so. Time to dig it out and I'm getting really into it again so here goes with the slightly belated VHII 25th anniversary thread.

    In my mind VHII has always been almost like the outakes from VHI. Recorded almost live in two weeks it's as close to sitting a rehearsal room with the band as you are gonna get.



    Starting with some whale mating sounds from MA 'You're No good' sets the on the whole pretty laid back tone for the album. I remember in the mid eighties getting really annoyed with a Mad comic spoof of Star Trek IV where Spock says 'Is that whale mating songs?' and Kirk replies 'No it's David Lee Roth singing!'. Ahh to be that mainstream again, I guess...

    The album to me has a bit of a vibe that the bands are smokin' a bit throughout. Blistering solo what can I say, shit this is March 1979, the US #1's for the month are "Da Ya Think I'm Sexy?", "Tragedy" and "I Will Survive" a spectacular month for wedding DJ's but not for cool music like this.

    The second track 'Dance the Night Away is obviously still in Roth's set. It reached #11(from memory) and was the bands first big hit. It follows a simple formula that seems to appeal to the great unwashed of the singles buying public whereby you use the same music for the verse as the chorus, In a way Jump used this trick and other more recent examples would be 'Pink' by Aerosmith or 'Could you be the most beautiful girl in the world' by Prince.

    The latter two really make me despair of the people that buy singles but like all pre Hagar Van Halen even though it appears to be a simple catchy tune, there is a lot more going on than some standard pop/rock thing. A tapped harmonic solo, I'm sure someone will correct me but that was the first time I had ever heard that...

    Next we have Somebody Get Me A Doctor. This kind of reinforces the VHI lite, songs that never quite made it to Van Halen I offcuts argument since they had been playing it before they got signed but it never made the first album. I tend to skip it because

    a) I've heard it a zillion times.

    b) I prefer the 1977 version off of boots where the solo is twice the length and fucking genius. I'll never understand why they cut it. Don't get me wrong even on the album version the numerous key changes on the solo make it a classic.

    Next up Bottoms Up, another single along with DTNA. Almost a non song it's maybe a bit simplistic for some. I think it's more a live song. I remember an interview with Copeland out of the Police where he said they loved to put 'holes' songs where the audience could fall into and the acappella section in this is one of those. Cool.

    Outta Love Again.

    This was a real eye opener for me listening to it again. The riff has been ripped off by bands as diverse like Faster Pussycat on their debut album. Again it seems pretty simple but the song writing is tremendous. How many bands would write a pre chorus to a verse like that?

    Also after years of misery and lies from Alex Van Halen.

    Most of us these days tend to hate the fucker but he does great work on this song. After years of high hat ssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh sounds from 5150 combined with his apparently complete prick of a personality he's easy to hate but most drummers would have gone for something far more basic on this track, particularly for the verse.

    Good work grasshopper...

    Light up the sky
    A real fave amongst a lot of Van Halen fans, incredibly original and a song that only Van Halen could possibly have written. When every band and their brother started ripping them off in the 1980s, they took the superficial shit of ripping up their clothes, having whiz bang tapping guitarists and catchy choruses but NONE of them could ever write a song like this. Another hole for the audience to fall into live, wow solo and the outro makes the hair stand on the back of your neck.

    Spanish Fly

    Eddie proves he can do 'Eruption' on an acoustic. I always though that this was in response to the review they got on VHI by some critic who said 'Great album apart from the pointless keyboard solo...'

    D.O.A.

    Another song that didn't make it onto VHI.

    To me this song is always about Guiness...

    I was in a bar in 1987 and went up to the jukebox not expecting much. It was one of the old style ones with the little arm that lifted the 7" single onto a turntable. I love mechanical shit. Open up your VCR and watch the way it winds the tape around the reading heads. To me that is a million times more amazing than the fact that you can program them and whatever. I digress.



    Anyhoo to my astonishment among the Whitney Houston and Boy George there is a little gem there, DOA as a B side of(I think) 'You Really Got Me'. I put it on 5 times and get into a very unsuccessful Guiness drinking competition with some guy in the bar. I lose spectacularly and have never touched the stuff since.

    I fucking love the phaser solo, pure Eddie at his best. Contemporary interviews have Ed telling one of his many compulsive lies saying that he made up all his solos including this one on the spot. Why is it identical to what you did 2 years previously Ed? It seems petty to knock him though when he's playing like this...

    Women in Love

    I have a little clip from 'TV Sweetheart Week' (LOL!) of Eddie playing the intro to this while Val looks on adoringly. 'I never want to end up like my old man' Eddie says to the camera while talking about whether he will have kids. Hmm. I'll post that soon. To this day I don't understand who he gets that sound, maybe Wooda or ZahZoo our tech specialists can help?

    The solo is beautifully understated. We have EVH with the world at his feet after their first album as the the hottest new kid on the block and he has the discipline to just trill a few notes because that's what fits.

    Tremendous.

    We finish up with Beautiful Girls

    This used to be the last song on my first ever compilation tape. I recorded it on the same tape recorder that I used to use to load my programs for my Spectrum computer. Everytime I hear this song I expect it to go off key at the end because my shitty $10 recorder used to do that...

    Surprisingly Dave played this on his YFLM tour and it was a welcome relief from the worst Roth gig I'd been to which was a huge disappontmet at the time overladen with slow songs and mediocre musicianship. The outro is classic showing the humor of Roth even in those early days 'Hey where are you going'. Self effacing...very cool. Brett Michaels copied him(again) on their debut with a 'I wasn't that bad...?' line on 'Look What the Cat Dragged In.' I only mention it to illustrate the difference between the late 80s hair bands copying and the original.

    Sitting listening in the rain in Scotland as a teenager was pretty inspirational. I ended up with a drink in my hand but no toes in the sand...

    Please go and listen to VHII again, you will not be disappointed or more importantly bored...

    Cheers!

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    Easily my favorite =VH= album!

    I love the true live feel of the recording, and in my opinion, Dave never sounded better...

    I expected you to mention something about Dave's performance on 'Outta Love Again'...

    Spectacular!

    This was my first =VH= album...

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    I didn't read your entire post because I didn't have 8 hours to kill. (yes I read slow)

    BUT

    VH II and FW are the best 2 Dave era CDs.
    They rock!

    Over and Out,
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    "Light up the sky" and "Outta love again" tossed the perverbial "rule book" out the window.

    Jaw dropping to this day.

    Sesh laying the smackdown bigtime.
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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    Easily my favorite =VH= album!

    I love the true live feel of the recording, and in my opinion, Dave never sounded better...

    I expected you to mention something about Dave's performance on 'Outta Love Again'...

    Spectacular!

    This was my first =VH= album...

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    Your favorite?

    I can understand that but for me it's third after VHI and FW.

    The cool thing for me is that I can still listen to it whereas I've killed those two from over playing.

    As you say I think Dave's voice peaked on this album...

    Cheers!


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    VH II is my favorite album of all time.
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    VH II is great! This is the album that got me hooked. My local radio station used to play entire albums every midnight, with a pause of silence before and after each side so you could record it (where was the RIAA then?). I had a couple of friends who were nuts about the first album, so when I heard the second was on the midnight album I decided to tape it. It kicks ass and is fun at the same time. To this day, when it comes to CVH, I only like Fair Warning and VH I better.
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    sweet post Sesh...
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    Originally posted by General Hina
    I didn't read your entire post because I didn't have 8 hours to kill. (yes I read slow)

    BUT

    VH II and FW are the best 2 Dave era CDs.
    They rock!

    Over and Out,
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    Yup. Van Hagar, music for the hard of thinking....

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    that was a really awesome review, mainly because you are reviewing the best album of all time.........one thing it needed was a few words about the end of D.O.A which is the best piece of musicianship ever.........definately my favorite album of all time, every song is great.......way to give props to such an incredible and overlooked album......im voting for you,haha
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    "Somebody get me a Doctor", "Bottoms Up!", "Outta Love Again", "D.O.A.", "Women in Love".... SHIT!! IS THERE A BAD TUNE ON THIS WHOLE ALBUM?? FUCK NO!!!!! Now that's what I'm talkin' about! VH2 = Genius!!
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    FW will always be my favorite, but I remember sending

    a pizza to a DJ at Q107 in Toronto, just so he would

    play Women In Love, when I was partying at a friends

    who didn't have the album and needed some schooling!
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    "LIGHTEM UP"!!!!!!!!!!

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    This is a killer post Sesh.

    I wish I had read it sooner.

    I also have the six pack going constantly.
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    The first time i heard Outta love i thought that DLR was
    doin a inhuman scream !
    impossible ...two years later ...i did it
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    Re: Van Halen II Revisited

    VH2 is almost as bad as Diver Down. Balance is easily better than both of them.
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    Re: Re: Van Halen II Revisited

    Originally posted by CaboWabo5150
    VH2 is almost as bad as Diver Down. Balance is easily better than both of them.
    Are you an Ed Head or Spammy fan?
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    Originally posted by CaboWabo5150
    VH2 is almost as bad as Diver Down. Balance is easily better than both of them.
    Are you serious?

    Set down and listen to both VH2 and Diver Down (the whole albums).

    Both albums would beat Balance or any Van Fagar album.

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    VHII is a good album, but it doesn't beat VHI. That will always be my nr. #1 album
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    this deserves a sticky....
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    Originally posted by Sarge
    this deserves a sticky....
    Yeah, I stickied this last night.
    WTF, I'll sticky it again.

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    Originally posted by CaboWabo5150
    VH2 is almost as bad as Diver Down. Balance is easily better than both of them.
    You have got to be a capri wearing, sandle hoofing, q-tip for a head fuckin sperm lover. Another fuckin tool.

    By the way VHII solid fucking album, from the opening notes to the closing "kiss" on "Beautiful Girls"...........
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    Light up the Sky, is one of Van Halen's most Kick ass tunes.
    As a metallimosher, I love it !! VHII Rocks. It was the first of the remasters I bought. Onya Sesh !
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    My favorite VH album. For me this music is timeless. It just never gets old. My first VH concert was August 12, 1979; New Haven Ct. they opened with Light up the Sky. I remember that moment to this day. Best concert I've ever seen. And, I remember thinking as they hit the stage that I was witnessing greatness that would reign for years to come. Aah, the sunshine of my youth! I miss those days.

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    one of the more underrated discs in the catalog...i forget who said this about VH (either vai or sheehan) but this disc to me is the best balance of the rock and the pop sides of VH. Real strong disc
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    Shouldn't this be in the Music forum???

    Just a thought...

    Anyway... I'll just post this link... In order to keep from repeating myself...

    http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...&threadid=7497

    Oh and here's another VH II link...

    http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...&threadid=3368

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    Originally posted by Fabulous Shadow
    Shouldn't this be in the Music forum???

    Just a thought...

    Hopefully this will answer that question.......

    Originally posted by Sarge
    this deserves a sticky....
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    VHII My fav VH album of all time... Tied with Fair Warning!

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    I've always thought I was nuts or something...but I've always preferred this album to the first one. I love the first album, but the songs are more interesting to me on VHII. I prefer D.O.A. to AIN'T TALKIN' 'BOUT LOVE. I prefer WOMEN IN LOVE to LITTLE DREAMER. I prefer BOTTOMS UP to I'M THE ONE. And I prefer LIGHT UP THE SKY to anything off of the debut!!

    Mind you, the debut is still brilliant. But VHII is a masterpiece. Not my favorite Van Halen album...that would still be 1984. But any of the six-pack are brilliant.
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    See Rikk, we agree... KUDOS!

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    As stated earlier this to me is a solid album, 79' was also the year I saw VH for the first time so lot's of memories everytime I play this disk.

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    Re: Re: Van Halen II Revisited

    Originally posted by CaboWabo5150
    VH2 is almost as bad as Diver Down. Balance is easily better than both of them.
    Another asshole with an alias from the Links.
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    Fair Warning and VHII have always been in a seesaw battle for my favorite album.

    I am starting to think VHII might have the edge nowsdays.

    I love the rawness.
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    VH2 is the first Van Halen album I bought, way back in '86 I think. I loved it then and I love it now. It's probably the most accessible VH album and I don't know if I'd have got into Van Halen in such a big way if I hadn't started with this one.
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    the first has a special place but I always preferred the sound and flow of II.

    its a killer and solid in your face album. a great for sure!!!!!
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    I remember just wearing the eight track tape out in this old truck I had back in the....well a while back.

    It was pretty much a primer'd hot rod.....351 Cleveland, aluminum heads, turned down exhaust behind the rear end...a bit loud.

    Anyway, I procured a really shitty "power booster" with this hokey fucking big red light on the front that produced a nice buzz that went up and down with the rpm's....like a stereo tachometer.

    Anyway, I can still hear "DOA" fading out right before the solo....then the big "cuh-lick" of the eight track deck.

    It would then fade back in to that great solo....what a fucking tape.

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    VH II was my first Van Halen record and will always be my favorite(as I said in previous posts). Got a lot of good memories of that time. It was also the year that I started playing guitar... What a contrast with this year with the fake VH reunion and me having 2 car accidents (both the cars total loss)..But that's another story!

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    My fondest memory of VHII was when i was a feshman, standing in line in the school store when "Dance the Night Away" came across the radio behind the counter. The varsity cheerleading squad was in line in front of me, and these HOT senior cheerleaders began singging along and dancin' around. Just the thought of those gorgious gals gettin' down brings a smile to my face even now. H O T !!!!!!!!!!
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    I think MY favorite VHII memory was once I played in this band that covered "D.O.A." at this bar gig in like 1989 or something, and this guy got on a table(drunk, of course) to "dance", and fell, hence smashing his head wide open on the floor... the gig continued... Ah, the things that make me laugh!

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