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    I don't see any viable path for Trump to turn electoral college votes to his favor and remain in office.

    In the next couple weeks, the states will be certifying their vote counts, which officially sets their results. Then the Electoral College will cast their votes and then Congress will certify the election. At that point it all becomes official.

    Until all that happens... the election results are just media projections and conceding is just some historic "nicety" that became expected but is not based on any legal requirement that exists. All the whining and crying over conceding is bullshit...

    Certainly, there's a fair amount of "sore-loser" elements playing out by Trump and his election/legal team.

    On the other hand... there's some really sloppy and questionable legal elements that have occurred in multiple states involving the handling of the election. Some of it involves questionable legal changes and other aspects involve really shitty management of the ballot handling and processes that are so poorly implemented they do not instill confidence in the process/systems. Add to that a few people, but not enough to change results just plain acting improperly and pulling some shady shit...

    I would rather all of the questionable activities that occurred in the election be thoroughly challenged, addressed and fixed. It's important that our electoral system be fair, accurate and executed without question to it's validity. Be it sore-losers or just making sure the mess gets cleaned up... make it right...

    Come January 20th, 2021... Mr & Mrs Trump will peacefully vacate the White House. Sleepy Joe will have his new Temperpedic ™ bed delivered and Mrs Biden will have a new basement to decorate for the Napper in Chief™...
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    Unfortunately Zah, it looks like Sleepy Joe will be our President. For a short time. Horizontal Harris and Pelosi will have him out on a medical in no time.

    As far as Mr. and Mrs. Trump. I'm betting there won't be a Mrs. too long after January 20th.

    In reality, there should be a revote. Physical in person only. The Demoncraps swindled this election with Covid and mail in votes. Gotta give 'em credit. They had a plan and played it perfectly. Goes back to the old saying, "If you ain't cheating, you ain't winning".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    I don't see any viable path for Trump to turn electoral college votes to his favor and remain in office.

    In the next couple weeks, the states will be certifying their vote counts, which officially sets their results. Then the Electoral College will cast their votes and then Congress will certify the election. At that point it all becomes official.

    Until all that happens... the election results are just media projections and conceding is just some historic "nicety" that became expected but is not based on any legal requirement that exists. All the whining and crying over conceding is bullshit...

    Certainly, there's a fair amount of "sore-loser" elements playing out by Trump and his election/legal team.

    On the other hand... there's some really sloppy and questionable legal elements that have occurred in multiple states involving the handling of the election. Some of it involves questionable legal changes and other aspects involve really shitty management of the ballot handling and processes that are so poorly implemented they do not instill confidence in the process/systems. Add to that a few people, but not enough to change results just plain acting improperly and pulling some shady shit...

    I would rather all of the questionable activities that occurred in the election be thoroughly challenged, addressed and fixed. It's important that our electoral system be fair, accurate and executed without question to it's validity. Be it sore-losers or just making sure the mess gets cleaned up... make it right...

    Come January 20th, 2021... Mr & Mrs Trump will peacefully vacate the White House. Sleepy Joe will have his new Temperpedic ™ bed delivered and Mrs Biden will have a new basement to decorate for the Napper in Chief™...
    I certainly wouldn't want Biden to prevail due to ballot processing errors in multiple states. I would agree it is important to make sure Biden won the vote legitimately, because his victories in some of the pivotal states were fairly close, while others that weren't close in other pivotal states are being characterized as 'stolen'...not that more than a few of those who wanted Trump to win would believe it even if recounts affirmed that Biden won and the various Trump legal challenges are struck down by various courts in terms of Biden's win being legitimate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Come January 20th, 2021... Mr & Mrs Trump will peacefully vacate the White House. Sleepy Joe will have his new Temperpedic ™ bed delivered and Mrs Biden will have a new basement to decorate for the Napper in Chief™...
    You do know that in the middle of a pandemic killing 100s of thousands of people that your president hasn't even attended a task force meeting in 5 months???!!!

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...0-11?r=US&IR=T

    How fucking sleepy is that?

    Can you even imagine how difficult it will be to roll out a vaccine to 300 million people half of whom are being told by their social media feeds not to take it? Because your president is in the huff not only are people dying unnecessarily just now, he's sacrificing many more lives by not having a transition.

    Everyone in the world apart from people in your tribe are watching you aghast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    In reality, there should be a revote. Physical in person only. The Demoncraps swindled this election with Covid and mail in votes.
    Oct. 14, 2020, video - Ivanka Trump: Vote Early in Person!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47v3...l=DonaldJTrump

    Oct. 26, 2020 - Trump Attacks Voting By Mail Hours After Posing Beside Ivanka and Jared Holding Their Mail-In Ballots
    https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump...il-in-ballots/


    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Gotta give 'em credit. They had a plan and played it perfectly. Goes back to the old saying, "If you ain't cheating, you ain't winning".
    Sorta like when Trump & Moscow Mitch slid ACB onto the Supreme Court.

    I get that both sides do things the opposition deems shifty. But don't you eventually just (maybe
    silently) "Give 'em credit" like Von says and try again next time?

    Was there this type of outrage (lawsuits, questionable phone calls, etc) from Democrats over the
    (alleged) Russian interference back in 2016? Or did Hillary concede the day after the election saying
    “We owe him an open mind and a chance to lead.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    In reality, there should be a revote. Physical in person only. The Demoncraps swindled this election with Covid and mail in votes. Gotta give 'em credit. They had a plan and played it perfectly. Goes back to the old saying, "If you ain't cheating, you ain't winning".

    You can't believe everything you read on the AR15 forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    You do know that in the middle of a pandemic killing 100s of thousands of people that your president hasn't even attended a task force meeting in 5 months???!!!

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...0-11?r=US&IR=T

    How fucking sleepy is that?

    Can you even imagine how difficult it will be to roll out a vaccine to 300 million people half of whom are being told by their social media feeds not to take it? Because your president is in the huff not only are people dying unnecessarily just now, he's sacrificing many more lives by not having a transition.

    Everyone in the world apart from people in your tribe are watching you aghast.
    You do know the Vice-President Mike Pence is the designated head of the Corona Virus Task Force..?

    Alex Azar is the Secretary of Health and Human Services is also managing several aspects of the virus task force.

    Given the size and complexity of running the most powerful country on Earth... the POTUS can't possibly head and lead every meeting, taskforce, department and whatever... it's called delegation of power. POTUS does hold frequent cabinet meetings and others to be briefed by the various leaders of all that crap and make decisions and provide guidance.

    If you are of the thought that President Trump is managing all of this global pandemic while running a huge country all by himself... you really need to step back and understand the complexity of the job...

    I'm sure your Queen is doing a bang up job managing the UK Virus Task force... right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    ... it's called delegation of power.
    Agreed.
    Only explaination why he put America's Mayor in charge of his legal challenges to the results of the 2020 election - link.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Given the size and complexity of running the most powerful country on Earth... the POTUS can't possibly head and lead every meeting, taskforce, department and whatever... it's called delegation of power. POTUS does hold frequent cabinet meetings and others to be briefed by the various leaders of all that crap and make decisions and provide guidance.

    If you are of the thought that President Trump is managing all of this global pandemic while running a huge country all by himself... you really need to step back and understand the complexity of the job...

    I'm sure your Queen is doing a bang up job managing the UK Virus Task force... right?
    The Queen is the head of state and has no responsibility. You have a presidential system whereby you have an elected head of state who is also head of the executive. It's part of the problem here to be honest, many western democracies split the roles which means you can have someone less cunty as a head of state than the person doing the day to day running of things. We have a shit system too for different reasons.

    I'm honestly surprised at you being fine thinking that Trump has delegated all the Covid stuff and that things are being done well.

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    Cheeto can't even keep COVID from spreading INSIDE the White House! Latest infections as of today: Don Dumbass Jr. & Rudy's kid, who seems to work there in some capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    This Republican is getting death threats for refusing to not count votes for the other side.

    Trump has lost 22/22 legal challenges so far.

    That is banana republic stuff, you want to live in a dictatorship?
    His herpes is eating his brain...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
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    I would rather all of the questionable activities that occurred in the election be thoroughly challenged, addressed and fixed. It's important that our electoral system be fair, accurate and executed without question to it's validity. Be it sore-losers or just making sure the mess gets cleaned up... make it right...

    Come January 20th, 2021... Mr & Mrs Trump will peacefully vacate the White House. Sleepy Joe will have his new Temperpedic ™ bed delivered and Mrs Biden will have a new basement to decorate for the Napper in Chief™...

    This is where you sound sort of reasonable at the start, then end up sounding like another cliché senile geriatric watching Fox News all day...

    Sleepy Zah...

    Maybe your grandchildren will reprogram your cable so they can block Fox and Newmax or something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Unfortunately Zah, it looks like Sleepy Joe will be our President. For a short time. Horizontal Harris and Pelosi will have him out on a medical in no time.

    As far as Mr. and Mrs. Trump. I'm betting there won't be a Mrs. too long after January 20th.

    In reality, there should be a revote. Physical in person only. The Demoncraps swindled this election with Covid and mail in votes. Gotta give 'em credit. They had a plan and played it perfectly. Goes back to the old saying, "If you ain't cheating, you ain't winning".
    Yeah, those fucks voted by mail, like the steaming pile of shit pResident whose ass you'd feltch!

    Idiot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    You can't believe everything you read on the AR15 forum.

    Von Helen does!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    You do know the Vice-President Mike Pence is the designated head of the Corona Virus Task Force..?
    Well fucking aye Christ and halleluiah and amen!! A Christian fundamentalist that is terrified of mensuration and vaginas and who could barely contain outbreaks of pedestrian plagues in his own state as a governor is in charge!

    How fucked up is this world with an administration where Mike Pence is the reasonable one?

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    But hey Von and Zah! Don't worry, maybe The Donald will bomb Iran and get your children drafted in sent into another massive, quagmire war. As he gives Afghanistan back to al Qaida...

    You voted for this!

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    It's actually really scary.

    Why would people like Von and Zah want Trump to run the pandemic? It's so weird and has to be that their information sources have been corrupted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    You can't believe everything you read on the AR15 forum.
    Lousy gun BTW....
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    The thing that annoys me is that people on this forum should be way way more resistant to internet bullshit than your average idiot because many of us are early adopters. 20 years before your fucking Aunt was sending you links on Facebook we were here fighting against lies on the internet

    All politicians are pricks it goes with the job. Almost all of them lie and the very successful ones have to. Why any of the people on here would have a blind obedience to some of the complete crap going on just now is frightening. Not so much in this vote but the next ones.

    If someone tells a bareface lie it has to be called out whether it's your guy or the other one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igosplut View Post
    Lousy gun BTW....
    Wrong you nub!

    It's not perfect, but as the Russians say, "Perfection is the enemy of good-enough!"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    It's actually really scary.

    Why would people like Von and Zah want Trump to run the pandemic? It's so weird and has to be that their information sources have been corrupted.
    They both have a really bizarre double standard and and ability of rationalizing shit behavior because on some level they are racists and are easily manipulated to vote against their own self interests...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    It's actually really scary.

    Why would people like Von and Zah want Trump to run the pandemic? It's so weird and has to be that their information sources have been corrupted.
    I mean for fuck, why would people like Zah Von want an asshole like Drumpf to be their local dog catcher? IDK but maybe he appeals to their inner fears of the unknown and the occident? Who the fuck knows? They are the ones that brought Hitler to power, one FUCKING hundred percent. The mindless rationalers...

    Hey, Adolf is still better than Sleepy Joe!!

    Stupid fucking cumstains on the wrong side of history...

    Sorry but getting really fucking tired of the "Trump is an asshole, I know, but he is still better than (whatever)"...

    Grown ass men voting like retards...
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    BTW speaking of cumstains, where is Nitous Oxide? Did Wyoming finally get COVID-19 to the extent their hospitals are overrun? Does his daughter have cool info? Is she fuckable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Unfortunately Zah, it looks like Sleepy Joe will be our President. For a short time. Horizontal Harris and Pelosi will have him out on a medical in no time.

    As far as Mr. and Mrs. Trump. I'm betting there won't be a Mrs. too long after January 20th.

    In reality, there should be a revote. Physical in person only. The Demoncraps swindled this election with Covid and mail in votes. Gotta give 'em credit. They had a plan and played it perfectly. Goes back to the old saying, "If you ain't cheating, you ain't winning".
    I think you mean Horizontal Pence, you faggot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    They both have a really bizarre double standard and and ability of rationalizing shit behavior because on some level they are racists and are easily manipulated to vote against their own self interests...
    Trump got 74 million votes and remember the majority of American Van Halen fans are middle aged white men so the majority voted for Trump they just choose not to post about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I'm honestly surprised at you being fine thinking that Trump has delegated all the Covid stuff and that things are being done well.
    Really..?

    I'd much rather Trump delegated all the Covid stuff to people that know more about the medical/science end, the legal aspects of government pandemic response and also know how to navigate the regulatory nightmare of our systems.

    I didn't state things were being well done... some things are, others not so much. It would be a total mess if Trump were directly managing all of it. No doubt in my mind...

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    Fiddling while Rome burns...

    Or playing golf while people die...

    Trump doesn't "delegate". He meddles, second guesses, despises, hates, blames, attacks....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Really..?

    I'd much rather Trump delegated all the Covid stuff to people that know more about the medical/science end, the legal aspects of government pandemic response and also know how to navigate the regulatory nightmare of our systems.
    Pence??????


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9362766.html


    In 2000, Mr Pence wrote an op-ed in which he denied the risks of smoking. “Time for a quick reality check”, he wrote. “Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill.”

    He is also a longtime climate change sceptic, and has often expressed doubt about the theory of evolution.

    And he has also advocated directing federal funds away from “organisations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviours that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus” in favour of “those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behaviour”.

    In fact, Mr Pence’s history on HIV is a theme that runs particularly strongly through his record – and is the single thing that’s causing the most outrage at his appointment.

    While serving as governor of Indiana, Mr Pence faced an outbreak of HIV in the south of the state, mainly among intravenous drug users. Many had become addicted to opioid painkillers and ended up sharing needles with other HIV-positive addicts.

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    fake hues!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Interesting response... so a guy who has or had a poorly informed opinion on smoking, questions about climate change and doesn't want to federally fund programs for HIV infected drug addicts' and the sexually confused... disqualifies him from leading a pandemic task force..?

    I'm not saying these guys are doing an amazing job, nor are they the best to be leading this pandemic response. It appears y'all don't understand the dynamics of leadership... the most effective leaders aren't always experts in the area in which they lead... in most cases they successfully bring in a combination of people with the necessary skills and people with the ability to get shit done. That's how delegated leadership functions and in this case it's many layers deep.

    In most cases the results are what matters most... not the personalities, nor what unrelated crap they bring to the table...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Interesting response... so a guy who has or had a poorly informed opinion on smoking, questions about climate change and doesn't want to federally fund programs for HIV infected drug addicts' and the sexually confused... disqualifies him from leading a pandemic task force..?

    I'm not saying these guys are doing an amazing job, nor are they the best to be leading this pandemic response. It appears y'all don't understand the dynamics of leadership... the most effective leaders aren't always experts in the area in which they lead... in most cases they successfully bring in a combination of people with the necessary skills and people with the ability to get shit done. That's how delegated leadership functions and in this case it's many layers deep.

    In most cases the results are what matters most... not the personalities, nor what unrelated crap they bring to the table...
    With over 250,000 dead and one of the highest death rates in the Western World, I guess their leadership is a rudderless shit-turd bobbling in a pool of sewage...

    So yes, being an anti-science and religious fundamentalist fuckheads might be a problem in dealing with a fundamentally scientific health crisis...
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    The repression of rapid testing, refusal to support contact tracing, and even refusal to send out the stockpile to the states that need it show what a clusterfuck of malfeasance this fraudministration has been. Sugar coat it all you want...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    The repression of rapid testing, refusal to support contact tracing, and even refusal to send out the stockpile to the states that need it show what a clusterfuck of malfeasance this fraudministration has been. Sugar coat it all you want...
    Trump fumbled the response.

    It was, sadly, not surprising. With the virus, Trump finally encountered a problem he couldn't spin away with his bullshit huckstering, and by the time the virus hit Trump had surrounded himself with a bunch of third-raters who weren't equipped to handle it, either.

    For Trump to have handled the virus in a calm, measured, responsible way would have required Trump to be something other than he has always been all along.

    And now the infections and death tolls are rising, and Trump is seemingly more concerned with thus far unsuccessfully contesting an election that he lost.

    To not provide Biden's team access to the same information Trump's team has regarding the virus - even while the election results are being contested - is just beyond the pale, even by Trump's won diminished standards...but, again, sadly not surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Interesting response... so a guy who has or had a poorly informed opinion on smoking, questions about climate change and doesn't want to federally fund programs for HIV infected drug addicts' and the sexually confused... disqualifies him from leading a pandemic task force..?

    I'm not saying these guys are doing an amazing job, nor are they the best to be leading this pandemic response. It appears y'all don't understand the dynamics of leadership... the most effective leaders aren't always experts in the area in which they lead... in most cases they successfully bring in a combination of people with the necessary skills and people with the ability to get shit done. That's how delegated leadership functions and in this case it's many layers deep.

    In most cases the results are what matters most... not the personalities, nor what unrelated crap they bring to the table...
    But the results are not good!

    You are making excuses for people who may literally cause your death.

    They are doing worse at this than you would have and it's their job. They all caught it. Look at the governments that caught it and those that didn't - it couldn't be clearer.

    I don't understand how you can possibly think that these people are doing a good job on this and it's about to get much much worse.
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    Not making excuses for anyone... I just have a very different perspective of the total picture of this. I work for a health insurance company and can see many facets of this pandemic from a local, county, state, regional and federal level. All working on the same problem... but with very different roles, capabilities, scope... plus results.

    My point was there are aspects that have had positive results and aspects that are failures. What happens at a federal level in Washington is very different than what battles are waged in your local city. You really can't go blaming one entity for things going well or things going disastrously.

    I really don't see any leadership entity globally that has a handle on this... don't you have to have some measure of success for comparative purposes to make a valid claim of failure..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Wrong you nub!
    My wife would argue with ya there.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igosplut View Post
    My wife would argue with ya there.......
    Why? Was she in 'Nam in 66' or something?

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