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    Quote Originally Posted by Figs View Post
    Seems like a good guy, well grounded, definitely has talent. "Kitchen sink tour" would suck in my opinion. I'd rather just see the original lineup....
    Original lineup was on the table according to Azoff. This kitchen sink stuff was discussed between Ed and Wolf and even brought to Azoff's attention - but in the end it was a CVH tour that was on the docket for summer 2019.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nick500 View Post
    It was all pure sales. I don't think streams were even counted at the time.
    Billboard later changed their policy, because a lot of the new "superstars" sell beans in physical units.

    I was all over the sales figures at the time and as I recall it was still selling about a thousand a week worldwide before it became impossible to get any more figures.
    In the States it was over 420,000. So it sold more in the rest of the world.

    They also came very close to a gold record in Japan,(82,000 in sales. About 18,000 short) which is very difficult to do for a foreign act.
    Yes, the much maligned Tattoo was actually a hit over there.
    The last figures I had seen for tangible/non-streaming sales were around 750 thousand, although that was probably 6 months after the initial early 2012 release.

    Which, at the time, I just put down to all the pirated downloading/free uploading of the record on youtube as to why the tangible sales weren't higher than they were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    They absolutely used backing tracks during that tour. They did gradually tone it down as the tour went on. I was lucky enough to sit in on the soundcheck at the 2007 show at the Palace Of Auburn Hills. Wolfgang did the lead singing for the whole soundcheck. It was a closed soundcheck and very closely guarded. No arena staff were even allowed in. I had been briefed on how to act so I didn't get kicked out. I was standing on the floor not far from the stage talking to Doug (the sound guy) and the guy that invented the in ear monitors, and Ed comes out to talk to them. We're standing there and Ed looks at me and goes "Who's he?" Doug goes "He's good, he's with me". I was so fucking star struck to be standing that close to Ed. Anyway, I went and sat a couple rows from the stage and watched the soundcheck.

    At this show I gave my pass to some guy from Tennessee or somewhere, that used to post here I believe. I was done with it and didn't care to go backstage after the show because quite frankly, it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. Anyway, he takes my pass and goes backstage and runs into Dave! Ha ha! I saw the dude after the show and he was on cloud 9!
    I mean, just from having been to that show in 2008 and believing my own lying ears as to what I was hearing vs. what I was seeing onscreen re: the oversized video screen behind the band, when the choruses came up and just Roth and Wolfgang were the ones visible on the mic(s), there just wasn't any way there weren't piped-in vocal tracks.

    I will say in 2012 at the show I saw it was less egregious in that aspect. Frankly, Eddie was playing so well that 2012 show - and Roth was singing so poorly - that for most of that show I was just concentrating on what Eddie was doing anyway. [Eddie] was in such good form on that tour.

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    I can’t remember how to post a link here - shows my age I guess. But when I was listening to the Stern interview I heard You’re To Blame and I couldn’t quite put my finger on it. It reminded me of something. It had this VH/DLR Band/Mad Season vibe. And I kept thinking, “What does this remind me of?” So I jump over here because I know somebody else heard it. And it was Chris Cornell. And specifically, for me, it was You Know My Name. This song could be the theme from Casino Royale.

    I have trashed Wolfie probably more than anybody else here - but this shit is good. I once started a thread here of songs that should have been James Bond theme songs but weren’t. This song should have defo been picked up as the next one. I know, that’s a bold statement. But it is that good. And y’all know I never give Ed or Wolfie any credit - this ain’t nostalgia talking. I just think it’s amazingly close to what a Bond song should be. And that’s a lot of credit. Off topic? Of course. It’s kinda what I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Trunk will suck his cock for Hagar info!
    Trunk sucks dick just to put up his pudcasts...
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    I really like "Distance". The track "You're To Blame" just reminds me of a typical 'let's get all depressed with some angst' grunge/progressive style which is just there but this is coming from someone who does not care for grunge music
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    Probably posted somewhere else, but I'm now too old and tired to look for it. I dig this. And the guitar solo is good, too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by High Life Man View Post
    Probably posted somewhere else, but I'm now too old and tired to look for it. I dig this. And the guitar solo is good, too!

    Yes this one is good. The guitar solo makes the song better.

    Also, that promo pic of Wolf - I thought Artie was returning to the Stern show.

    Sorry, I just had to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    The last figures I had seen for tangible/non-streaming sales were around 750 thousand, although that was probably 6 months after the initial early 2012 release.

    Which, at the time, I just put down to all the pirated downloading/free uploading of the record on youtube as to why the tangible sales weren't higher than they were.
    Best estimate for worldwide sales was the TopMonde Mediatraffic charts:
    http://www.chartsinfrance.net/commun...affic/&page=17
    Van Halen A different Kind of Truth 879,000 an increase of 4000 from the week before in December.
    They sold 562,000 worldwide in the first 6 weeks.
    89 weeks on various charts:
    https://acharts.co/album/68492

    From statisticsbrain:
    Source: VanHalen.com, Billboard, Rolling Stones, Forbes, RIAA
    Research Date: 12.23.2013

    Year Album : Worldwide Sales
    1978 Van Halen : 17 million
    1979 Van Halen II : 8 million
    1980 Women and Children First : 6 million
    1981 Fair Warning : 3 million
    1982 Diver Down : 5 million
    1984 1984 : 17 million
    1986 5150 : 11 million
    1988 OU812 : 5 million
    1991 For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge : 4.5 million
    1995 Balance : 6.5 million
    1998 Van Halen III : 1 million
    2012 A Different Kind of Truth : 1 million
    Compilation / Live Albums
    1993 Live: Right Here, Right Now : 2.5 million
    1996 Best of Volume I : 8 million
    2004 The Best of Both Worlds : 1 million
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    1996 Best of Volume I : 8 million
    Really?

    A lot of this 90s stuff is to do with converting to CD though.
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    BoV1 moving 8 million units certainly FEELS like a high amount...much higher than I would have thought...by as much as 3 to 4 million higher than I would have thought.

    Particularly since the figures listed were from 2013.

    Not that I'm doubting the figures, mind you: clearly the RIAA has better access to sales date than I do.

    I also seem to recall each subsequent Van Hagar release sold a little less than the one before it, thus I was surprised to see Balance outselling FUCK, although to be fair I probably haven't even looked at sales figures for the catalog for perhaps 15 years now...the last time I looked, I seem to remember the CVH era having sold around 40 million and the Van Hagar years doing around 20 million.
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    I did think at one point that the CVH stuff had the advantage from a sales comparison of not having been initially released in CD format, which would necessitate people repurchasing the CVH material on cd as their records/tapes wore out. Although to be fair, Van Hagar's first two albums were released in record, tape and CD format...I'm assuming FUCK was, too, although by 1991 vinyl was certainly on the wane.

    Others would say that CVH had an "unfair" advantage because they put out 6 studio albums vs. 4 for Van Hagar. I never understood THAT one: CVH put out more records in less time than Van Hagar...it wasn't Dave's fault the band stopped producing music as fast after he left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Exactly! What I wouldn't give for an official release of any of those shows!
    When I look at what KISS did with those KISStory dvd's or Led Zep did with their backlog of footage (with Page even soliciting/utilizing bootleg footage)...and then to think of all those CVH shows I mentioned (and those are just the ones off the top of my head, mind you) and yet all we ever got was Van Hagar official live video releases...goddamned ridiculous. Even Roth circa 2003 or so was saying in interviews that he was just as baffled as everybody else as to why Van Halen wasn't coming out with Deluxe versions of album reissues, or scouring the vaults for live dvd releases in light of how the live Zeppelin cd/dvd release of that period was selling like hotcakes.

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    I only bought the first of the KISStory DVDs but those things look like Chaim literally just put out some old bootlegs himself, with the official name & price tag on them. As opposed to the full on professional mastering job that Page did with the Zeppelin stuff. I'm hoping that when the Van Halen videos eventually get the official release, it's not a 10th generation bootleg used as the source material.
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    and the Trunk interview


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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    and the Trunk interview

    I am seriously debating whether I can stomach listening to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I am seriously debating whether I can stomach listening to this.
    This guy ..... this is not my kind of guy ....... (trunk)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I am seriously debating whether I can stomach listening to this.
    I'll be skipping this, the Trunk bell end factor is just too high, I'm sure if there is anything interesting said I can just read a summary here instead.

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    "Your dad got to meet me twice. Later Sammy told me your dad really seemed to like me but never said anything because he was kind of in awe"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    "Your dad got to meet me twice. Later Sammy told me your dad really seemed to like me but never said anything because he was kind of in awe"
    Did Trunk actually say that? If he did, well, what an asshole...

    ... and well, if he didn't, what an asshole anyway.
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    I dunno I haven't listened to it. Probably.

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    So, I listened to the Trunk interview, because I'm a VH geek and I just can't ignore anything that is about this whole deal. Other than Trunk talking about the one and only time he met Ed, when Ed requested to meet him , Trunk did a really commendable job on the interview. Trunk was smart enough to realize VH is hallowed ground, and he pretty much respected it. I will go so far as to say, I think Trunk did a much better interview with Wolfgang, than Stern did.

    Wolfgang is very in tune with the wants and needs of CVH fan. Actually, he's very much in tune with what VH fan in general, wants and needs. I truly believe he kind of commandeered reuniting Roth with the band, for his Dad, and for us. I think his whole "Kitchen Sink" idea was for the same reasons. I believe he wanted no regrets for the band members and fans. It's unfortunate he wasn't able to pull that off, just from a peace of mind aspect. Mainly for his Dad and Mike Anthony. That would have been killer. I of course, am a dick, and am happy that Clichegar's last stand with VH was a disaster, and will remain so historically. But for peace of mind for all of them, it would have been cool if Wolfgang had been able to pull that off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    "Your dad got to meet me twice.
    "...got to meet me"??!

    Reminds me of the "all for the glorification of your massive ego!" Seinfeld quote...
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    The Trunk interview was not as bad as I thought it would be. I thought there would be more Hagar talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    The Trunk interview was not as bad as I thought it would be. I thought there would be more Hagar talk.
    Yes. And while I only heard snippets of the interview, glad it wasn't a Hagar love fest.

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    I keep seeing YouTubes of other WVH interviews and after watching the ones we have posted I gotta think the rest are just the same questions.

    Trunk did keep leaning on a February release date and WVH corrected it to sometime in the spring.

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    That is one sad and brilliant video..got misty eyed, wont lie..Good to see Wolf seems to appreciate the fact Ed was a great father. I don't have that with my dad. I've always considered him to be very hypocritical. I can't recall the last time I told him I loved him. I guess I need to change that before its too late. Thanks Wolf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfish View Post
    "...got to meet me"??!

    Reminds me of the "all for the glorification of your massive ego!" Seinfeld quote...
    I should clarify my quote was a joke although apparently not a million miles off what he actually did say which was that Ed asked to meet him...

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    Another Wolfgang interview on Forbes...

    Baltin: Let's face it, the internet is not the place people go to feel good about themselves.

    Van Halen: I know specifically where to look to find the real s**t about me, like super dedicated, diehard Van Halen message boards and stuff. And I've even just popped a look in there and they're being nice to me there. I can't believe it. like even the mean s**t is nice to me now.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveba...h=7f01af9c6801
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    Another Wolfgang interview on Forbes...



    https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveba...h=7f01af9c6801
    Baltin: Let's face it, the internet is not the place people go to feel good about themselves.

    Van Halen: I know specifically where to look to find the real s**t about me, like super dedicated, diehard Van Halen message boards and stuff. And I've even just popped a look in there and they're being nice to me there. I can't believe it. like even the mean s**t is nice to me now.

    Probably referring to this very website or vhlinks... I kinda have to agree with him about some posters
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    Has Kristy ever said anything shitty about Wolfgang?

    Valerie was known to look at the usenet groups and maybe the Pleasure Dome forums.

    Someone once referred to Valerie as "Yoko Bertinelli" but I don't remember what board that was on.

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    "Yoko Bertinelli" was used a lot back on the old Slawterhouse board in the 1990s.

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    Dave's people back at the reunion contacted this site first because they said VH Links were too negative.

    Va told them to send stuff to VH Links too and then they ran it as an exclusive.

    I thought that was a poor decision.

    Ironically we are and always have been the good guys.

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    We have to admit that Valerie did a great job raising Wolgang...

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    another thing that wasn't raised anywhere from the Howard Stern interview is that when Wolfie was asked by Howard if Dave had reached out to him since Eddie's death and he answered no...That is the main reason why I never wanted to meet the people I idolised...they're probably all ass-holes

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    Quote Originally Posted by So this is love View Post
    another thing that wasn't raised anywhere from the Howard Stern interview is that when Wolfie was asked by Howard if Dave had reached out to him since Eddie's death and he answered no...That is the main reason why I never wanted to meet the people I idolised...they're probably all ass-holes
    That is NOT what Wolf said. Why do you lie?

    Wolf (when asked if he spoke with Dave), said "not directly". He never said he was not in contact with Dave.

    And who the fuck are you to decide you're the judge within a 50 year relationship between Dave and Ed and Al and Mike? You don't know what the fuck anyone said or did not say to anyone. You don't know fuck all. Wolf gave a simple and brief single-sentence reply.

    But hey. You know everything.

    He did NOT say he was not in contact.

    Maybe YOU'RE the asshole for spreading lies?

    Huh? Maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by So this is love View Post
    another thing that wasn't raised anywhere from the Howard Stern interview is that when Wolfie was asked by Howard if Dave had reached out to him since Eddie's death and he answered no...That is the main reason why I never wanted to meet the people I idolised...they're probably all ass-holes
    I always said that it I was famous, I wouldn't want to hang out with (non famous) me, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    I always said that it I was famous, I wouldn't want to hang out with (non famous) me, either.
    I guess that depends on what you were famous for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby's On Fire View Post
    That is NOT what Wolf said. Why do you lie?

    Wolf (when asked if he spoke with Dave), said "not directly". He never said he was not in contact with Dave.

    And who the fuck are you to decide you're the judge within a 50 year relationship between Dave and Ed and Al and Mike? You don't know what the fuck anyone said or did not say to anyone. You don't know fuck all. Wolf gave a simple and brief single-sentence reply.

    But hey. You know everything.

    He did NOT say he was not in contact.

    Maybe YOU'RE the asshole for spreading lies?

    Huh? Maybe?
    Whoa... what the hell does not directly mean..?

    It means Dave didn't reach out to Wolfgang... plain and simple. No one is lying here and your attack seems out of line.

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