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    The thing about physicians... some of the basics never change but medical and scientific advances continue to grow at a rapid rate. If the physician doesn't have access and/or the motivation to keep up with the growing body of knowledge... their expertise falls behind rapidly.

    Given this virus is so new and the effects still not fully understood... I'd be real skeptical of anything a retired doctor had to say on it.

    Hell even the so called current "experts" can't agree on much...
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    Specialisms are important. A retired orthopedic surgeon could be basing his opinions what he remembers from a few lectures he had in virology at med school in the 1960s and his news feed. which like anyone elses may be biased.

    There was a study that showed on average that the best doctors to be treated by is one who is in their 30s because as you say they have the most up to date knowledge.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j1797
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    I got my second dose last week. Another 10 days or so and I will lose my main excuse to avoid people.
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    Got my first shot of the Pfizer yesterday, at a FEMA-run vaccination site. Shot was administered by USAF personnel. Second shot of Pfizer in 3 weeks.

    Took a couple of Advil when I got home as a precaution/in anticipation of possible nausea...no nausea. Mildly tired yesterday. No lagging tiredness today.

    Was mildly surprised how quick it was in terms of the on-site traffic: was in and out of there in less than a half hour. Am assuming some of that had to do with it being Easter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The whole issue regarding vaccines is trust. People want to know for sure they are safe with no bad side effects. People don’t trust big corporations or the government anymore. They remember some people were permantly damaged by the swine flu vaccine when that was pushed on the public in 1976.

    In fact that’s the whole issue with our politics and everything else. One side doesn’t trust the other side. All the arguing in the world doesn’t fix that reality. So you get one side or the other trying to out maneuver and strong arm the other and forcing them to do stuff. That never ends well.
    To me, it seems more than a few people want to have a 100% guarantee that the vaccines are 100% safe for 100% of those who get them. Anything short of that, some people won't get vaccinated.

    I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I'll readily admit I had - and still have - concerns about how fast these various covid-vaccines were ramped up into production and approved. I'd be lying if I said I didn't have any concerns about potential long-term side effects of the vaccine(s) that may not manifest themselves until years down the line.

    All of that was contrasted with - and ultimately outweighed by - my desire NOT to contract covid and end up being hospitalized/dying from it.

    It is harsh and somewhat obvious to say, but from my experience life doesn't extend many - if any - 100% guarantees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Shark View Post
    I got my second dose last week. Another 10 days or so and I will lose my main excuse to avoid people.
    Frankly, even after this virus passes...I'll kinda miss not wearing a mask and having people socially distanced from me: people smell and I don't particularly want them up in my grill, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Shark View Post
    I got my second dose last week. Another 10 days or so and I will lose my main excuse to avoid people.
    'Sup Shark, good to see you. And exactly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Got my first shot of the Pfizer yesterday, at a FEMA-run vaccination site. Shot was administered by USAF personnel. Second shot of Pfizer in 3 weeks.

    Took a couple of Advil when I got home as a precaution/in anticipation of possible nausea...no nausea. Mildly tired yesterday. No lagging tiredness today.

    Was mildly surprised how quick it was in terms of the on-site traffic: was in and out of there in less than a half hour. Am assuming some of that had to do with it being Easter.
    It's the second shot that gets you. Still better than dying on a ventilator...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    It's the second shot that gets you. Still better than dying on a ventilator...
    Well, if the mark of success these days is not dying on a ventilator, I am currently hurtling the lowered bar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Frankly, even after this virus passes...I'll kinda miss not wearing a mask and having people socially distanced from me: people smell and I don't particularly want them up in my grill, anyway.
    I like going to bars, but paradoxically I really like the plastic partitions between sections of seats and hope they stay...

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    Still haven't got mine right up the old shit shooter. Gee, thanks Obama.
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    After months of being told "no appointments" available everywhere I looked, there are suddenly openings all over the place here in Cascadia. So it looks like I'll probably get a shot on Friday. Got two appointments scheduled already. Just a matter of which one to keep. Know for a fact one of them is the Johnson & Johnson. Tempted to go with that, since I would only have to deal with one needle. The other one is two shot, but I can't seem to find any clarification as to whether it's the Pfizer or the Moderna. I'm really trying to NOT get the Moderna, given the track record of reactions to the second shot. As opposed to the Pfizer, which seems to be very mild reaction by comparison. Seems to be a lot of conflicting info going around as to the efficacy of the MRNA shots vs the "traditional" vaccine approach of the J&J, or which ones might be better protection against the "newer" variants of the virus which have popped up after the vaccines were created.

    Either one would probably keep COVID from killing me, or making me wish I were dead, which is obviously the most important factor. Oh well.... I still have another 46 hours or so to debate this before committing to one needle or the other being jammed into my arm, so off to research this shit some more.

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    I took the Johnson & Johnson one. No big deal.
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    That’s exactly why I took the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. It wasn’t rushed out because they did better testing on it. Also the politicians and media don’t push it as hard as Moderna or Pfizer indicating there’s less payola involved. Remember the vaccine companies are completely covered legally meaning they can’t be sued if they damage you. Also there is a ton of money to be made in vaccines. More money made with two shots than one.

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    We're not offered a choice of vaccines... the distribution managed by the state has Pfizer going to the major population centers based on cold storage capabilities and Moderna going to the rural and less population areas who don't have the cold storage available.

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    No choice here apart from you could reschedule and wait to see if what you were offered changed,

    I got Moderna which was a little surprising as the UK have bought far more of some of the other vaccines. FORD's video is important to show that it probably doesn't matter much at all what vaccine you get just get one as soon as you can. We are very lucky to be getting just now compared to many people on the planet,

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    A lot of issues now popping up with the J&J.

    I got the Moderna. No issues at all.
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    Scheduled for my first shot next week...

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    Pfizer shot 1 completed. Arm slighly sore but nothing compared to the tendonits in the other shoulder, so if that's as bad as it gets, I'm OK with it.

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    I had to get a bunch of shots before a tour of South America. Man was I sick after getting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    A lot of issues now popping up with the J&J.

    I got the Moderna. No issues at all.
    I got the J & J shot and no problems so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    A lot of issues now popping up with the J&J.

    I got the Moderna. No issues at all.
    I got the J & J shot and no problems so far. There have been some blood clotting issues with both the Astra Zeneca and J & J vaccines. This is in people that have low blood cell counts. If you have health issues you might want to wait a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I got the J & J shot and no problems so far. There have been some blood clotting issues with both the Astra Zeneca and J & J vaccines. This is in people that have low blood cell counts. If you have health issues you might want to wait a bit.
    Thrombosis cases were noticed in the last few weeks, some people died after being vaccinated with Astra Zeneca (which changed names for Vaxzevria, makes you amm the more confident, eh ). It represents a tiny percentage of those who had that vaccine, but hey, here in Frogland they just won't be shot with it. Neither will I, I confess.
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    I fully expected to wake up feeling like shit this morning. Other than my arm still being a little sore, no apparent side effects from the first shot. I'm sure I won't be as lucky with the "day after" the second shot in three weeks, but for now, I'm fine with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jérôme Frenchise View Post
    Thrombosis cases were noticed in the last few weeks, some people died after being vaccinated with Astra Zeneca (which changed names for Vaxzevria, makes you amm the more confident, eh ). It represents a tiny percentage of those who had that vaccine, but hey, here in Frogland they just won't be shot with it. Neither will I, I confess.
    I hear the French can be a bit weird/dumb with vaccines. I am also suspicious that some European governments are trying to cover up the massive fuck up the EU made with vaccine procurement compared to the UK and US. I say that as someone who is violently against Brexit and everything to do with that.

    The stats on the thrombosis thing are crazy when you actually examine them. For example here are 2.

    You are 200 to 400 times more likely to get a thrombosis from taking the contraceptive pill compared to the AstraZeneca vaccine.

    If you get hospitalised with COVID you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting thrombosis.

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