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    David Lee Roth Turned Down Spot on Motley Crue’s Stadium Tour

    For 'The Stadium Tour,' featuring Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Poison and Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Motley Crue had previously extended an invite to Van Halen icon David Lee Roth to join the run, but the singer declined.

    News of Roth's potential inclusion came via Los Angeles Times, who, in a fall preview of all the exciting things happening in music, singled out the pending release of Motley Crue bassist Nikki Sixx's memoir, The First 21: How I Became Nikki Sixx. They also made note of next's year's highly-anticipated reunion run and that Roth had been asked to join, but rejected the opportunity and told Sixx, "I don't open for bands that I influenced."

    The Los Angeles Times did not clarify when Motley Crue had reached out to Roth and whether that was the original intent before 'The Stadium Tour' had been announced in 2020 or if that ask came later on as the dates were being rescheduled for 2021 and again for 2022 following another pandemic-related postponement. Very little is known about what went on behind the scenes as the tour package was being assembled.

    Roth last joined KISS on the road as a special guest in 2020 on their ongoing farewell tour. It's doubtful that will happen again however, as Gene Simmons, who later apologized, hurdled some less than praiseworthy comments in Roth's direction through the press.

    “It bears noting that during Dave’s heyday, nobody did what he did. He was the ultimate frontman. Not [Robert] Plant, not Rod Stewart, nobody. He took being a frontman way beyond anything," Simmons told Rolling Stone before he continued, "And then, I don’t know what happened to him … something. And you get modern-day Dave. I prefer to remember Elvis Presley in his prime. Sneering lips, back in Memphis, you know, doing all that. I don’t want to think of bloated naked Elvis on the bathroom floor."

    Roth, in turn, shot back by uploading 18 of the same image of a child raising the middle finger with text on the image that read, "Roth to Simmons," on Instagram.

    Simmons then issued an apology and said that he did not mean to hurt Roth's feelings.

    Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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    Nothing has been said about this... but a thought I had was possibly Dave may not feel comfortable performing Van Halen material currently due to Ed's passing. Quite possible his recent cover band may have issues with this also.

    Prior to his last live outing, Dave did make a rather flippant declaration that he's now "the face of Van Halen"... seemed typical Dave back then but learning that Ed was on his death bed at the time it's doesn't lend well to being very cool...
    "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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    • #3
      I think it's true though that he has never supported a band that came in the wake of his career high point which is probably pretty rare for someone who went solo.

      Even when he was doing Monsters of Rock in the late 1980s it was only KI$$ and ACDC that were ever above him on the bill. Only other one I can think of is Bad Company in the late 1990s and they predate Van Halen too.

      I'm looking through stats here and I'm pretty sure that Dave has sold more studio albums in the 21st Century than Def Leppard Motley Crue and Poison combined.

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      • #4
        Roth is better off doing his own shows in Vegas
        Last edited by wolfsbane; 08-31-2021, 10:54 PM.

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        • #5
          I think Dave knows he will just have a real hard time singing VH songs now that Ed is gone.

          I dont expect to see Dave anytime soon. And he can't do a show without any VH songs.

          The only way he could possibly get away with that is if there is an EEAS reunion (a show with just tracks from EEAS and Skyscraper).

          Other than that I dont think we will be seeing Dave for a while.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
            I think Dave knows he will just have a real hard time singing VH songs now that Ed is gone.
            I don't think he would think twice about it.

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            • #7
              In his career he has spent more time singing those hits solo than he did in Van Halen.

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              • #8
                Here is a stat for you, Roth has sung Jump and Panama live with Van Halen 254 times, he's done that solo 682 times.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Von Halen View Post
                  I don't think he would think twice about it.
                  I tend to agree... but previously there was that underlying friction and competitive... I'll show you... arrogance that fueled a fire between Ed and Dave. Perspective has changed significantly forever. Dave's messaging has taken a different reflective tone voiced in his art work.

                  I get the feeling some major wind was taken out of Dave's sails...
                  "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Seshmeister View Post
                    Here is a stat for you, Roth has sung Jump and Panama live with Van Halen 254 times, he's done that solo 682 times.
                    Understandable.

                    Those songs were on the last album and tour he did with VH for a long time.
                    =V V=
                    ole No.1 The finest
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                    • #11
                      Oh, I'll say it. Look at this wreckage of a human being. He's a fucking drunken slob, with chronic and irreversible ascites liver damage. He spent any money he might of made on liquor ans stale pussy over the years. He's touring off of nostalgia and stupid fans who vote for people like DeSantis and Abbot. I will say Roth has kept in remarkable shape for his age and has cut out a lot of his rock star vices. The only commonalty between then is that both their voices can peel pain off of concrete. Again, just look at this F A T fuck. Unless you are that desperate for money, why tour with this at all?

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                      • #12
                        I was amazed at how many albums Motley Crue have apparently sold worldwide over the years though, apparently it's 100 million. I think they are one of those artists like Billy Idol or Abba where their compilation albums sold big time.

                        Even a fuckup like Vince can't piss away that much cash just on alimony, booze and cars. Cocaine would have taken care of his 1980s money but they have had enough tour receipts in the last decade to be comfortable.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Seshmeister View Post
                          Even a fuckup like Vince can't piss away that much cash just on alimony, booze and cars.
                          $2.5 million to the courts for the vehicular manslaughter charge...
                          Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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                          • #14
                            I remember reading the quote at the time, it was something like 'I've been told I won't be going to jail for long as we have put a bunch of money in the right places.'

                            And he was right.

                            30 days for killing Razzle and seriously fucking up 2 other people? He was DUI doing 65 in a 25 mph residential street. I was young at the time but even then remember wondering how corrupt the system was,,,
                            Last edited by Seshmeister; 09-04-2021, 09:24 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Vincent Neil Wharton, lead singer for the heavy-metal band Motley Crue, is known to his fans as a hard-driving rock 'n' roller who once bragged that he drank a case of beer and a half a fifth of gin...


                              Vincent Neil Wharton, lead singer for the heavy-metal band Motley Crue, is known to his fans as a hard-driving rock 'n' roller who once bragged that he drank a case of beer and a half a fifth of gin on his days off.
                              He is no longer bragging.
                              Seven months after the 23-year-old Redondo Beach resident was arrested after an automobile accident that killed a fellow musician and left two other people seriously injured, Wharton, along with other group members, has taken a public stand against alcohol abuse and, more specifically, drinking and driving.
                              Under a plea-bargain arrangement reached last week by Wharton and the accident victims, the group's new message is likely to be repeated often in coming months.
                              Pleads Guilty
                              Wharton, who uses the stage name Vince Neil, on Wednesday pleaded guilty to charges of vehicular manslaughter and drunk driving stemming from an accident Dec. 8 on the Esplanade in Redondo Beach.
                              The singer, accompanied to the South Bay Municipal Courthouse in Torrance by his girlfriend, entered the plea after the Los Angeles County district attorney's office agreed not to seek a prison term for Wharton, provided he does community service while on probation and makes restitution to the surviving victims and to the dead musician's family.
                              Commissioner Francis J. Hourigan ordered Wharton to return to court on Sept. 20 for sentencing after the county Probation Department completes a report on how much money the victims are entitled to and what types of service the singer should perform.
                              Superior Court Judge Edward A. Hinz Jr. is not bound by the agreement but is expected to approve it, according to Deputy Dist. Atty. Roger Kelly. Wharton could have received a maximum prison sentence of four years and eight months, the prosecutor said, and if he violates the conditions of his probation he still could face prison.
                              Head-On Collision
                              Wharton was arrested Dec. 8 after his red, 1972 Ford Pantera went out of control in the 600 block of the Esplanade and collided head-on with a Volkswagen. His passenger, 24-year-old Nicholas Dingley, a drummer for the band Hanoi Rocks, was killed. The driver of the other car, Daniel L. Smithers, 20, of Hermosa Beach, and his passenger, 18-year-old Lisa Hogan of Rancho Palos Verdes, both suffered severe head injuries.
                              Investigators said Wharton, who had only minor injuries, registered a .17 blood-alcohol count after the accident. A driver is considered legally intoxicated at the .10 level.
                              After entering his plea, Wharton, on the advice of his attorneys, declined to be interviewed. Outside the courtroom, according to Lisa's Hogan's mother, Lynn Hogan, Wharton walked up to her daughter and said, "I'm very sorry this happened. I have been praying for you."
                              During the court proceeding, Hourigan cautioned the lawyers representing the victims that while they could submit recommendations to a probation officer on how much restitution they believe their clients are entitled to, and what probation conditions they feel should be placed on Wharton, the final decision rests with Hinz.
                              Civil Suits
                              If the victims are not satisfied with the judge's decision, their attorneys could attempt to collect more money through civil suits already filed. The suits do not specify dollar amounts.
                              Kelly told the commissioner that both of the victims understood and agreed that if Wharton is to make restitution, he "must be free and have the ability to perform in rock concerts."
                              As for community service, he said, the singer and his band have already scheduled a concert for Aug. 24 at the Forum in Inglewood to benefit the Palmer Drug Abuse Program, Los Angeles Inc. Smithers is employed by Palmer.
                              Lynn Hogan said after the hearing that she will request that Wharton spend time with people who are receiving therapy for brain injuries. Her daughter was in a coma for 28 days after the accident and is still receiving treatment, she said.
                              "I think it would be very difficult for someone to go into one of these wards and come out the same type of person," she said. "It would be hard to sit with these kids that are trying so hard with therapy and keep the attitude that you want to drink and drive."
                              Forbid Alcohol
                              Hogan added that she would probably also request that Wharton be forbidden to drink alcohol while on probation.
                              Smithers' attorney, Stuart Fest, said that he, too, believes Wharton should be required to spend time with people undergoing therapy for head injuries. He added that the attorneys' decision not to seek jail time for Wharton probably boiled down to a value judgment.
                              "Frankly, it's a tough one, morally," he said. "I know Dan Smithers had to struggle with his emotions that said Neil should be punished to the full extent of the law. Neil owes two debts--one to society, and the other to the victims. If society extracts its fullest punishment, he can't pay his other debt."
                              Wharton's publicist, Bryn Bridenthal, said the accident has had a profound effect on the singer, whose boast about heavy alcohol use came in a 1984 interview. "I've observed a lot of changes," she said. "He seems more subdued and disciplined. . . . I feel he has really been traumatized by this. He gets depressed easily."
                              Bridenthal said the entire rock band is already involved in the effort to tell their fans about the dangers of drinking and driving. "They're not saying to people, 'Don't drink,' but they are saying 'Don't drive and drink. Don't be an idiot,' " she said.
                              One sign of the Los Angeles-based group's effort appears on the inner sleeve its latest album, "Theatre of Pain." The sleeve reads: "To All Crue Fans: If and/or when you drink--Don't take the wheel. Live and learn."


                              Vinnie Warts got another 2 DUI convictions after this...

                              As I remember the girl who was put in a coma for a month and her boyfriend aren't shown or mentioned much if at all in 'The Dirt' movie, as that would have been a bit of a bummer.

                              Razzle I guess has to take a bit of responsibility for getting into a car with a pretty drunk guy but he wasn't to know the little prick was going to start driving at those speeds. I could make a strong argument that Hanoi Rocks were a much better and certainly more original band than Crue ever could be. It's a bit weird to me how popular Crue are among young people these days and I say that as someone who liked their 2 good songs on each album...

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