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    The DLR Cast

    We really should be paying more attention to these guys who are doing a great job with a DLR podcast.

    Latest episode includes an interview with John 5 discussing his work on the unreleased stuff with Roth and the DLR Band album.

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    Didn't even know that pod cast existed... thanks!!
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    I wonder if Von and I will be asked on?

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    Those dudes sound old and decrypted. I can see slave SESH on the podcast but leave Von at home. Save the embarrassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Those dudes sound old and decrypted. I can see slave SESH on the podcast but leave Von at home. Save the embarrassment.

    Glad the show is on your radar at the very least.

    Totally open to guest ideas. Pitch away.

    And I'll be at 7 of the Vegas shows -- hope to see some of you there.

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    Good to see you here Darren, I'll be working my way back through some more of the podcasts.

    The reference to me and Von appearing was just a little in joke as a back in 2017 we were asked the VH Unchained podcast, partly because we had reported/started a rumor which picked up a lot of traction but ended up being false.

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    Cool! Well, not telling you no or anything. Email me (Darren.Paltrowitz@gmail.com), tell me what you've got going and maybe we can tape something. If no album or book or proper thing to plug, maybe you'd be suitable for a topic-based episode. Thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Good to see you here Darren, I'll be working my way back through some more of the podcasts.

    The reference to me and Von appearing was just a little in joke as a back in 2017 we were asked the VH Unchained podcast, partly because we had reported/started a rumor which picked up a lot of traction but ended up being false.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000498306258
    In defense of the "false" rumor, I'm sure Ed's health issues contributed to that ultimately not coming to fruition.

    I have a couple of buddies going to the last Dave shows. I was invited, and politely declined. Yes, I can be polite at times. My first Van Halen show was in 1978. My last show was 2015. Even though Mike wasn't with VH in 2015, it was Ed and Dave. I prefer my last live memory of my favorite band, to be as Van Halen. I have zero interest in a VH cover band, even if it is being fronted by Dave, and even if the guitarists are phenomenal. I am very comfortable with this decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paltrowitz View Post
    Glad the show is on your radar at the very least.

    Totally open to guest ideas. Pitch away.

    And I'll be at 7 of the Vegas shows -- hope to see some of you there.

    -Darren

    Hardly. There are already too many podcast out there that stand as being nothing more than fronts for corporate advertisements with most being more depressing than an family funeral. As for Roth himself...I have zero respect for the guy but am fascinated how he has maintained strange currency of popularity when he has pissed away career more than once. Maybe in the classic Van Halen heyday he modernized the whole rock star personification of sex, drugs and alcohol living the wanton dream of self-indulgence until it became a parody for him. Roth to me is nothing more than a Midwestern kid who moved to California and found himself at the right place at the right time. Eddie made Roth's success for it was Eddie's wizkid phenomenal guitar playing that attracted so many to be VH fans, not Roth. The whole "Diamond Dave" shtick was clever marketing on Roth's part simply because he possessed little talent to his own. He was never a strong vocalist often noted for going off key due to having a lack of register, a mediocre songwriter who yelped and screamed between lyrical breaks in the songs.

    Roth sold himself on being Diamond Dave. He was an attractive guy in the early 80's and women fawned over him and every repressed male (like Von) had homoerotic fantasies about being him. Roth saturated Van Halen with so much self-gloss to the point the rest of band grew tired off his ridiculous antics. I can see why Eddie fired him out of disgust then creative difference and direction. Roth didn't even know he had it so good until he well ran dry. Yes, you can make for arguments there there are plenty of frontman who soiled their career for the sake of egotism but nobody fucked it up like Roth. Now look out the guy. He's a pitiable wreckage of a human being. He can no longer hit any high notes without his bronchial pipe cracking like Rosanne on thin ice his stage athletics are like a nursing home arthritic yoga shuffle and wardrobe is an obvious cry for help.

    So here's my question to you: why the obsession with this guy? He surely stopped being relevant back in what what I can guess is mid-1988. Can't be that is a poor man's nostalgia traveling act or that even his reunion with Eddie resurrected his sad career. Whatever Roth's alleged health issues I'll give him credit for choosing to hang for good although it stands as a decision he made to be entirely about himself and not for his most devoted followers. Roth's last hurrah to milk his fans for every red cent hew can get and then fuck off into the sunset of regret is shameful. Fans such as yourself deserve better.

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    I hear ya. I was already going to Vegas -- cheaper hotel and flight combos that time of year, and my wife and I got married in Vegas so it's a city we have good memories about -- so that influenced our decision to extend our trip (we both work remotely) and go to some DLR shows.

    Then he announced more shows, and my company announced an on-site week near Vegas around those new shows... so, uh, yeah, I bought in.

    As opposed to "These shows are going to be amazing, I'm going to route my life around this and specifically fly out for this" haha.

    But I wouldn't mind being wrong.

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    Hi Kristy:

    "So here's my question to you: why the obsession with this guy? He surely stopped being relevant back in what what I can guess is mid-1988. Can't be that is a poor man's nostalgia traveling act or that even his reunion with Eddie resurrected his sad career. Whatever Roth's alleged health issues I'll give him credit for choosing to hang for good although it stands as a decision he made to be entirely about himself and not for his most devoted followers. Roth's last hurrah to milk his fans for every red cent hew can get and then fuck off into the sunset of regret is shameful. Fans such as yourself deserve better."

    I hear you. A lot of people are saying the same things you are. And the little people wearing blackface in the "A Little Ain't Enough" music video is just tip of the iceberg when it comes to "oh boy, this didn't age well" in the DLR world, haha.

    Every classic artist has their ups and downs, creatively and commercially. And most of those artists towards the end, it is nowhere near as great as it was. But if given the choice between "some DLR" and "no DLR," I think it's an easy decision/answer there. See the legends while you still can. Cherish the opportunities if/while you still can. Experiences over belongings.

    At the very least, these shows are a celebration of sorts, and I enjoy hanging with other DLR fans. "No Big 'Ting" (see what I did there?) if you disagree, but I had saved some money, banked some vacation days, my wife also wanted to go, and it sure beats sitting around watching TV. For me, at least, haha.

    If our common ground is that Dave was awesome in the 1970s and most of the 1980s, that's not such a bad common ground after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paltrowitz View Post
    Every classic artist has their ups and downs, creatively and commercially. And most of those artists towards the end, it is nowhere near as great as it was. But if given the choice between "some DLR" and "no DLR," I think it's an easy decision/answer there. See the legends while you still can. Cherish the opportunities if/while you still can. Experiences over belongings.
    I'm not buying it especially in Roth's case where his only reasoning for doing a final farewell is out of this sense of being vague and ambivalent about his health. If this is such of a concern as Roth purports it to be then why perform at all? Dave's best days are long, long behind him. There was a while there when he was not only disillusioned with his career but the music industry itself turning his back on completely out of a sense of spite. Fame and and sudden lack of it can fuck a lot of people up in mysterious ways. His decision to become a New York EMT was a severe personality crisis knowing he could have had the commercial (as in total sell out) peaks that S P A M M Y took the band. When I saw them perform live at Red Rocks in 2015 no one look more out of place than Roth like he was an Alzheimer's nursing patient. There wasn't much fan camaraderie as there was confusion towards Roth's presence. People cringed when Roth's vocal shrieked and at a place like Red Rocks where the sound is crystal clear is was really nerve racking. Eddie stole the show and gave flashes of brilliance but there were times when he looked at Roth with discontent. It was far from entertaining when you discount Eddie's soloing.

    Must be me then. I stridently believe there is a time when these fucking aging rock stars need to hang it up and by hang it up walk away from any type of performing for good. Look the examples of KISS, The Stones, even U2. The muzak is beyond stale, beyond boring, beyond self-parody. From what I've and heard of Roth's Vegas show before COVID it's certainly wasn't Roth in terms of a nostalgia act. More of a sad, wretched man doing his damnest to soothe his ego at the expense of his fan base. I'm sorry, but he's a embarrassment now and not only to himself - although the same goes for Jagger and Fuckhead Bono. Even in recent interviews Roth does not seem to have his heart into doing this. Maybe Eddie's death affected him in a way that he is not ready to process what is over is over.

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    Kristy, did someone hack your account? You don't generally require an editor for your posts, but this is in need of one. I would do it, but frankly, I'm too lazy.

    You are correct. "Diamond Dave" is a schtick. A stage persona. Most of us wish to believe that the Diamond Dave persona is really how DLR is in real life. We as human beings do this to a lot of larger than like characters. Only to somewhere along the way meet them in person and discover the truth, or see an A&E Biography on them, that generally exposes the ugly truth. Dave is no different. Dave however is one smart motherfucker, and has done an extremely good job of keeping his private life, the real Dave Roth life, private.

    I will beg to differ with your claim that Dave possessed "little talent". Van Halen more than likely never makes it out of the Clubs without Dave. Without Dave, Van Halen wouldn't have been as diverse as they were. Nothing proves my point better on this subject, than Van Hagar. Van Halen with Dave could cover virtually anything. Van Halen with Dave had the ability and chemistry to exploit different genres not just on different albums and different songs, but within the songs themselves. Van Hagar never had that ability, and had Clichegar, or any other "singer" been in VH, it wasn't and wouldn't have been the same. Dave's issue with talent was when he tried to exceed his talent. But, he often refers to rock and roll as "sport", and Dave is a competitive guy. He had to push himself and try to go places that were beyond his capabilities. That helped him, but also hurt him in the long run. When Dave got it right though, he fucking got it real right. He benefitted from the gargantuan talent of Ed. But Ed benefitted from the larger than life persona of "Diamond Dave" too. Chemistry. That band was dripping with chemistry. We may not all like every piece of Dave's work, but he's a very talented dude. Nobody could have written and performed those songs the way he did.

    Which brings me to my next point. Dave is anything but a "mediocre songwriter". The dude is a genius songwriter. Other songwriters will tell you this. Producers will tell you this. Other musicians will tell you this. I cannot even believe you put that statement into your diatribe. Dave may be a lot of things, but "mediocre songwriter" isn't one of them. Maybe you should listen to more Van Halen than what you hear on the radio.

    Why the obsession with the guy? Because he's THE GREATEST FRONTMAN IN THE HISTORY OF ROCK AND ROLL! As far as Roth milking his fans, he's not forcing them to buy the tickets to the shows. They are doing it willingly. Roth has played huge festivals, stadiums, arenas, clubs, casinos, and fucking STATE FAIRS! He's never forced one person to buy those tickets. We all did it willingly! I choose not to go this time, because of my own personal way I want to leave the Van Halen legacy in my mind and my memory. If someone else wants to see Dave perform, even if he can no longer hit the high notes, good for them. They will more than likely have a good time, because those songs evoke good times and allow people to create and recreate good memories in their minds.

    There is plenty to give Dave shit about. He quit Van Halen. (Wasn't "fired" as you suggest.) But his talent and contributions within Van Halen can NEVER be disputed or minimized. That music has and always will, stand the ultimate test. Time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    I'm not buying it especially in Roth's case where his only reasoning for doing a final farewell is out of this sense of being vague and ambivalent about his health. If this is such of a concern as Roth purports it to be then why perform at all? Dave's best days are long, long behind him. There was a while there when he was not only disillusioned with his career but the music industry itself turning his back on completely out of a sense of spite. Fame and and sudden lack of it can fuck a lot of people up in mysterious ways. His decision to become a New York EMT was a severe personality crisis knowing he could have had the commercial (as in total sell out) peaks that S P A M M Y took the band. When I saw them perform live at Red Rocks in 2015 no one look more out of place than Roth like he was an Alzheimer's nursing patient. There wasn't much fan camaraderie as there was confusion towards Roth's presence. People cringed when Roth's vocal shrieked and at a place like Red Rocks where the sound is crystal clear is was really nerve racking. Eddie stole the show and gave flashes of brilliance but there were times when he looked at Roth with discontent. It was far from entertaining when you discount Eddie's soloing.

    Must be me then. I stridently believe there is a time when these fucking aging rock stars need to hang it up and by hang it up walk away from any type of performing for good. Look the examples of KISS, The Stones, even U2. The muzak is beyond stale, beyond boring, beyond self-parody. From what I've and heard of Roth's Vegas show before COVID it's certainly wasn't Roth in terms of a nostalgia act. More of a sad, wretched man doing his damnest to soothe his ego at the expense of his fan base. I'm sorry, but he's a embarrassment now and not only to himself - although the same goes for Jagger and Fuckhead Bono. Even in recent interviews Roth does not seem to have his heart into doing this. Maybe Eddie's death affected him in a way that he is not ready to process what is over is over.
    As we can probably go back through these threads and confirm, I had planned to come to that Red Rocks show. I even offered to come bang you since I knew you'd probably be disappointed in the show itself. But, I will agree with you, Dave wasn't performing well on that tour, and I decided not to waste the money seeing VH play the greatest concert venue on the planet, for the first time in their careers. In hindsight, I should have showed up. At least you'd have only had one disappointment that night.

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    Thanks for your quick reply.

    I'm with you on some of this, but not all of this. For example, I interviewed Dave's EMT instructor -- not yet released -- and his move into that world definitely wasn't anything to do with a personality crisis.

    For better and for worse, Dave's on-going pattern is that he gets interested in something, he does it to the best of his ability (possibly hiring the greatest coach or teacher possible), then he often moves on without comment or announcement. And us fans sometimes feel confused and/or annoyed because we didn't get an explanation. His never-made movie from the 80s, his radio show, EMT stuff, the followup book, the John 5 album, the mid-90s Vegas show, the YouTube show, the late 90s webcasts, the tattoo skincare company, etc etc. And then there's problem of "released but buried" projects (e.g. the Japanese-language short film, The Roth Project) also. He does it, he moves on, and we're puzzled.

    The Vegas 2020 shows I saw were good. I watched some phone-filed videos of those 2 shows after the fact and the same shows sounded awful. In the room, it was fine. He was doing "alternate" melodies (not singing the recorded normal melody line 100%) but he wasn't straining heavily on every song or anything. He also was doing some kicks and bends. It wasn't top-notch by DLR standards, but it was fine.

    It may not be the overwhelming majority of Van Halen fans -- definitely a small percentage -- but some of us are very excited for the Vegas shows and still think DLR is great. I, for starters, love the "A Different Kind Of Truth" and "DLR Band" albums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Kristy, did someone hack your account? You don't generally require an editor for your posts, but this is in need of one. I would do it, but frankly, I'm too lazy.
    I quit doing weed after a horrible experience with an edible. Fucked me up for about a week. Not going through that experience again. Now, if I get my hand on a tab or two that might change.

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    You are correct. "Diamond Dave" is a schtick. A stage persona. Most of us wish to believe that the Diamond Dave persona is really how DLR is in real life. We as human beings do this to a lot of larger than like characters. Only to somewhere along the way meet them in person and discover the truth, or see an A&E Biography on them, that generally exposes the ugly truth. Dave is no different. Dave however is one smart motherfucker, and has done an extremely good job of keeping his private life, the real Dave Roth life, private.
    I'm not saying Dave was never an unintelligent guy. The way in which he marketed Van Halen was genius like using photos from being an opening act for the Stones on Diver Down to his amusing interviews with Martha Quinn. Problem was Dave never took the persona to new levels or ever tried to ingrate it with the rest of the band instead opting to become the franchise face of Van Halen much in the way Rod Stewart did with Faces. That behavior only sows discontent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I will beg to differ with your claim that Dave possessed "little talent". Van Halen more than likely never makes it out of the Clubs without Dave. Without Dave, Van Halen wouldn't have been as diverse as they were. Nothing proves my point better on this subject, than Van Hagar. Van Halen with Dave could cover virtually anything. Van Halen with Dave had the ability and chemistry to exploit different genres not just on different albums and different songs, but within the songs themselves. Van Hagar never had that ability, and had Clichegar, or any other "singer" been in VH, it wasn't and wouldn't have been the same. Dave's issue with talent was when he tried to exceed his talent. But, he often refers to rock and roll as "sport", and Dave is a competitive guy. He had to push himself and try to go places that were beyond his capabilities. That helped him, but also hurt him in the long run. When Dave got it right though, he fucking got it real right. He benefitted from the gargantuan talent of Ed. But Ed benefitted from the larger than life persona of "Diamond Dave" too. Chemistry. That band was dripping with chemistry. We may not all like every piece of Dave's work, but he's a very talented dude. Nobody could have written and performed those songs the way he did.
    I'm in 100% disagreement. Roth was (and still is) all about self-aggrandizement. He was all about outshining his band mates at their expense. His ego took over the band's unity around the third album.


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    Which brings me to my next point. Dave is anything but a "mediocre songwriter". The dude is a genius songwriter. Other songwriters will tell you this. Producers will tell you this. Other musicians will tell you this. I cannot even believe you put that statement into your diatribe. Dave may be a lot of things, but "mediocre songwriter" isn't one of them. Maybe you should listen to more Van Halen than what you hear on the radio.
    Oh please. Roth's lyrical content was sophomoric at best. Plus how much of that shit was refined by Templeton and the suits at Warner Brothers? Why did they end up making an album that over 60% cover material and not only that safe cover material? Like I told you, they were a poor man's Montrose cover band. Their creative peak was on Fair Warning and much of that was Eddie and you so fucking know it. They only could have ascended to higher peaks but once agian, Roth's ego fucked it all up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Why the obsession with the guy? Because he's THE GREATEST FRONTMAN IN THE HISTORY OF ROCK AND ROLL! As far as Roth milking his fans, he's not forcing them to buy the tickets to the shows. They are doing it willingly. Roth has played huge festivals, stadiums, arenas, clubs, casinos, and fucking STATE FAIRS! He's never forced one person to buy those tickets. We all did it willingly! I choose not to go this time, because of my own personal way I want to leave the Van Halen legacy in my mind and my memory. If someone else wants to see Dave perform, even if he can no longer hit the high notes, good for them. They will more than likely have a good time, because those songs evoke good times and allow people to create and recreate good memories in their minds.
    That's arguable if not downright laughable. Roth "greatest frontman" was his own propaganda and believing in his own press. So much for Freddy Mercury, I guess. Roth's stage antics were theatrical and childish. But believe what you want. And is this "nobody is forcing" argument is downright retarded. I'm wondering for al these fans with free will how much these tickets prices are. I'm guessing not cheap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    There is plenty to give Dave shit about. He quit Van Halen. (Wasn't "fired" as you suggest.) But his talent and contributions within Van Halen can NEVER be disputed or minimized. That music has and always will, stand the ultimate test. Time.
    He was fired. Period. His ego killed his gravy train ride. Fuck, I've been fired and lied that I quit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    As we can probably go back through these threads and confirm, I had planned to come to that Red Rocks show. I even offered to come bang you since I knew you'd probably be disappointed in the show itself. But, I will agree with you, Dave wasn't performing well on that tour, and I decided not to waste the money seeing VH play the greatest concert venue on the planet, for the first time in their careers. In hindsight, I should have showed up. At least you'd have only had one disappointment that night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    I quit doing weed after a horrible experience with an edible. Fucked me up for about a week. Not going through that experience again. Now, if I get my hand on a tab or two that might change.
    So you're finally taking my advice to lay off the dope? Now if we could just get Sesh to lay off the vodka...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    I'm not saying Dave was never an unintelligent guy. The way in which he marketed Van Halen was genius like using photos from being an opening act for the Stones on Diver Down to his amusing interviews with Martha Quinn. Problem was Dave never took the persona to new levels or ever tried to ingrate it with the rest of the band instead opting to become the franchise face of Van Halen much in the way Rod Stewart did with Faces. That behavior only sows discontent.
    Dave took that persona to the top. There was nowhere else to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    I'm in 100% disagreement. Roth was (and still is) all about self-aggrandizement. He was all about outshining his band mates at their expense. His ego took over the band's unity around the third album.
    I don't disagree about Dave being self serving. But they had a 6 pack of some of the greatest albums ever. The band was not ruined by the third album. Besides, you want these bands to hang it up while they're on top, then you chastise Roth for doing just that, as far as VH goes. He fucking QUIT after their biggest album and biggest tour. That's an unmitigated FACT!


    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Oh please. Roth's lyrical content was sophomoric at best. Plus how much of that shit was refined by Templeton and the suits at Warner Brothers? Why did they end up making an album that over 60% cover material and not only that safe cover material? Like I told you, they were a poor man's Montrose cover band. Their creative peak was on Fair Warning and much of that was Eddie and you so fucking know it. They only could have ascended to higher peaks but once agian, Roth's ego fucked it all up.
    Speaking of Templeman, I suggest you read his book. You obviously have not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    That's arguable if not downright laughable. Roth "greatest frontman" was his own propaganda and believing in his own press. So much for Freddy Mercury, I guess. Roth's stage antics were theatrical and childish. But believe what you want.
    How dare you compare Roth's stage presence to the gay parade Mercury put on. Roth didn't propagate his greatest frontman status. I did it for him! I saw all the great bands from that era, front and center. Dave was the greatest front man ever. that's a FACT!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    And is this "nobody is forcing" argument is downright retarded. I'm wondering for al these fans with free will how much these tickets prices are. I'm guessing not cheap.
    What do you care what the ticket prices are, or if someone is willing to pay it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    He was fired. Period. His ego killed his gravy train ride. Fuck, I've been fired and lied that I quit.
    Ed himself said different. Case closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    So you're finally taking my advice to lay off the dope? Now if we could just get Sesh to lay off the vodka...
    slave SESH is a closet Snow Patrol fan. There is no hope for him and it was the edible that told me to lay off the weed.



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    Dave took that persona to the top. There was nowhere else to go.
    But down.



    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    I don't disagree about Dave being self serving. But they had a 6 pack of some of the greatest albums ever. The band was not ruined by the third album. Besides, you want these bands to hang it up while they're on top, then you chastise Roth for doing just that, as far as VH goes. He fucking QUIT after their biggest album and biggest tour. That's an unmitigated FACT!

    I did not say that. Bands need to hang it up when they become a joke on stage and are preforming only for the money. Look at what I mentioned, Stones, Ki$$, U2. They all need to go. The original 6 were all great albums. Well, maybe Diver sucked dead dog balls. No, that record did suck dead dog balls.

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    Speaking of Templeman, I suggest you read his book. You obviously have not.
    Now why would I ever read a book written by the Godfather of yacht rock?



    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    How dare you compare Roth's stage presence to the gay parade Mercury put on. Roth didn't propagate his greatest frontman status. I did it for him! I saw all the great bands from that era, front and center. Dave was the greatest front man ever. that's a FACT!
    No, that's your opinion. Roth barely cuts it as a frontman. He was a on-stage drunk, a testicle yelper and a 6 foot tall spandex wearing garden gnome.



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    What do you care what the ticket prices are, or if someone is willing to pay it?
    Again, way to miss the fucking point, Von.



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    Ed himself said different. Case closed.
    Ed was also most likely drunk at the time he said a lot of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Kristy, did someone hack your account? You don't generally require an editor for your posts, but this is in need of one. I would do it, but frankly, I'm too lazy.

    You are correct. "Diamond Dave" is a schtick. A stage persona. Most of us wish to believe that the Diamond Dave persona is really how DLR is in real life. We as human beings do this to a lot of larger than like characters. Only to somewhere along the way meet them in person and discover the truth, or see an A&E Biography on them, that generally exposes the ugly truth. Dave is no different. Dave however is one smart motherfucker, and has done an extremely good job of keeping his private life, the real Dave Roth life, private.

    I will beg to differ with your claim that Dave possessed "little talent". Van Halen more than likely never makes it out of the Clubs without Dave. Without Dave, Van Halen wouldn't have been as diverse as they were. Nothing proves my point better on this subject, than Van Hagar. Van Halen with Dave could cover virtually anything. Van Halen with Dave had the ability and chemistry to exploit different genres not just on different albums and different songs, but within the songs themselves. Van Hagar never had that ability, and had Clichegar, or any other "singer" been in VH, it wasn't and wouldn't have been the same. Dave's issue with talent was when he tried to exceed his talent. But, he often refers to rock and roll as "sport", and Dave is a competitive guy. He had to push himself and try to go places that were beyond his capabilities. That helped him, but also hurt him in the long run. When Dave got it right though, he fucking got it real right. He benefitted from the gargantuan talent of Ed. But Ed benefitted from the larger than life persona of "Diamond Dave" too. Chemistry. That band was dripping with chemistry. We may not all like every piece of Dave's work, but he's a very talented dude. Nobody could have written and performed those songs the way he did.

    Which brings me to my next point. Dave is anything but a "mediocre songwriter". The dude is a genius songwriter. Other songwriters will tell you this. Producers will tell you this. Other musicians will tell you this. I cannot even believe you put that statement into your diatribe. Dave may be a lot of things, but "mediocre songwriter" isn't one of them. Maybe you should listen to more Van Halen than what you hear on the radio.

    Why the obsession with the guy? Because he's THE GREATEST FRONTMAN IN THE HISTORY OF ROCK AND ROLL! As far as Roth milking his fans, he's not forcing them to buy the tickets to the shows. They are doing it willingly. Roth has played huge festivals, stadiums, arenas, clubs, casinos, and fucking STATE FAIRS! He's never forced one person to buy those tickets. We all did it willingly! I choose not to go this time, because of my own personal way I want to leave the Van Halen legacy in my mind and my memory. If someone else wants to see Dave perform, even if he can no longer hit the high notes, good for them. They will more than likely have a good time, because those songs evoke good times and allow people to create and recreate good memories in their minds.

    There is plenty to give Dave shit about. He quit Van Halen. (Wasn't "fired" as you suggest.) But his talent and contributions within Van Halen can NEVER be disputed or minimized. That music has and always will, stand the ultimate test. Time.
    Both Ed and Dave were idiot savants. They did a few things extremely well and the world was ready for those things. Van Halen is an image. It sold the whole fun in the sun SoCal vibe. It spawned that whole 80’s Sunset Strip thing. It was fun for a few years and the vibe lingered on for awhile. Then grunge came and hip hop came and Disney whores came and then the internet destroyed the music industry and COVID has killed touring.

    I was in LA not too long ago. It’s a lame fuck town now. Nothing is happening there. You couldn’t get any farther than the 1980’s LA.
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    Bullshit. Smell-A is what it's always been: a festering shithole.

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    Dave quit Van Halen because he didn’t think he needed them anymore. Sting quit The Police around the same time for the same reasons. Dave had a pretty good solo run. Grunge kill him though. Van Hagar was able to keep going because they became a pop band. Van Hagar was more commercial than Van Halen was. Unfortunately I went to a 0U812 show and it was full of gayness, glitter and unicorns. I had to take a long shower afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Bullshit. Smell-A is what it's always been: a festering shithole.
    Naw. It was a fun place in the 70’s and 80’s. I used the spend my summers there.

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    You have to be a bit fucked up to want to be an EMT. Dave certainly was qualified.

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    What do you call a rock musician with no girlfriend? Homeless.

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    What do you call David Lee Roth without Van Halen?

    Desperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    What do you call a rock musician with no girlfriend? ----
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    You guys are being quite harsh on Dave. He's an artist in my book. An artist can be multi-talented and their art can be reflected in multi-faceted ways.

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    Shroom, you're right... Dave is just an artist and definitely doesn't take himself as seriously as some of his fans.

    I was enjoying the thoughtful conversation... been awhile round here!! Even Kristy made it through 3 good posts before her poor disposition made a return...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
    You guys are being quite harsh on Dave. He's an artist in my book. An artist can be multi-talented and their art can be reflected in multi-faceted ways.
    Dave got too old for monkey hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
    You guys are being quite harsh on Dave. He's an artist in my book. An artist can be multi-talented and their art can be reflected in multi-faceted ways.
    We need more mushrooms. Even a bare wall is entertaining when you are on shrooms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
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    Don't worry, we will have plenty of baby mushrooms after Kristy and I procreate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Halen View Post
    Kristy, did someone hack your account? You don't generally require an editor for your posts, but this is in need of one. I would do it, but frankly, I'm too lazy.

    You are correct. "Diamond Dave" is a schtick. A stage persona. Most of us wish to believe that the Diamond Dave persona is really how DLR is in real life. We as human beings do this to a lot of larger than like characters. Only to somewhere along the way meet them in person and discover the truth, or see an A&E Biography on them, that generally exposes the ugly truth. Dave is no different. Dave however is one smart motherfucker, and has done an extremely good job of keeping his private life, the real Dave Roth life, private.

    I will beg to differ with your claim that Dave possessed "little talent". Van Halen more than likely never makes it out of the Clubs without Dave. Without Dave, Van Halen wouldn't have been as diverse as they were. Nothing proves my point better on this subject, than Van Hagar. Van Halen with Dave could cover virtually anything. Van Halen with Dave had the ability and chemistry to exploit different genres not just on different albums and different songs, but within the songs themselves. Van Hagar never had that ability, and had Clichegar, or any other "singer" been in VH, it wasn't and wouldn't have been the same. Dave's issue with talent was when he tried to exceed his talent. But, he often refers to rock and roll as "sport", and Dave is a competitive guy. He had to push himself and try to go places that were beyond his capabilities. That helped him, but also hurt him in the long run. When Dave got it right though, he fucking got it real right. He benefitted from the gargantuan talent of Ed. But Ed benefitted from the larger than life persona of "Diamond Dave" too. Chemistry. That band was dripping with chemistry. We may not all like every piece of Dave's work, but he's a very talented dude. Nobody could have written and performed those songs the way he did.

    Which brings me to my next point. Dave is anything but a "mediocre songwriter". The dude is a genius songwriter. Other songwriters will tell you this. Producers will tell you this. Other musicians will tell you this. I cannot even believe you put that statement into your diatribe. Dave may be a lot of things, but "mediocre songwriter" isn't one of them. Maybe you should listen to more Van Halen than what you hear on the radio.

    Why the obsession with the guy? Because he's THE GREATEST FRONTMAN IN THE HISTORY OF ROCK AND ROLL! As far as Roth milking his fans, he's not forcing them to buy the tickets to the shows. They are doing it willingly. Roth has played huge festivals, stadiums, arenas, clubs, casinos, and fucking STATE FAIRS! He's never forced one person to buy those tickets. We all did it willingly! I choose not to go this time, because of my own personal way I want to leave the Van Halen legacy in my mind and my memory. If someone else wants to see Dave perform, even if he can no longer hit the high notes, good for them. They will more than likely have a good time, because those songs evoke good times and allow people to create and recreate good memories in their minds.

    There is plenty to give Dave shit about. He quit Van Halen. (Wasn't "fired" as you suggest.) But his talent and contributions within Van Halen can NEVER be disputed or minimized. That music has and always will, stand the ultimate test. Time.
    As to where Dave is at today career-wise and his demonstrated live abilities over the last 10-odd years, I haven't been unduly harsh in terms of the opinions I stated: I retract nothing, because everything I said was how I felt.

    In terms of when Dave was fronting CVH and, well, certainly the first three full-length solo albums (sorry but I was never huge on the CFTH EP and from YFLM forward to present the output - DLR Band album excepted - was a bit dodgy at times)...Roth was the fucking bomb. Best rock front man for my money during those halcyon CVH days and the first 5 years of his solo career.

    The best. To the point where post-1991 it didn't matter if the output was uneven: ain't nothin' ever gonna take those 13-odd years when he was the King of the Hill away from Dave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Dave quit Van Halen because he didn’t think he needed them anymore. Sting quit The Police around the same time for the same reasons. Dave had a pretty good solo run. Grunge kill him though. Van Hagar was able to keep going because they became a pop band. Van Hagar was more commercial than Van Halen was. Unfortunately I went to a 0U812 show and it was full of gayness, glitter and unicorns. I had to take a long shower afterwards.
    Gayness, glitter and unicorns...

    Fantastic, in that it sums up Van Hagar perfectly.

    Well done.

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    I listened to a few episodes of this "DLR Cast" and it's not bad. It's a lot of classic rock hokey pokey which isn't my drift but I found it to be more cerebral than most podcast out there. I was expecting a frat boy reminiscing type where the "pod casters" sit around and tell stupid racist/sexist jokes, talk over each other and go on and on about how unimportant and utterly boring their miserable lives are and then do 6 minutes of shitty ads. These guys at least know something about the history of the people they interview, ask intelligent questions and allow for the person they interview to complete their thoughts.

    So...four stars. I'd give it five but then again, I'm an asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    I listened to a few episodes of this "DLR Cast" and it's not bad. It's a lot of classic rock hokey pokey which isn't my drift but I found it to be more cerebral than most podcast out there. I was expecting a frat boy reminiscing type where the "pod casters" sit around and tell stupid racist/sexist jokes, talk over each other and go on and on about how unimportant and utterly boring their miserable lives are and then do 6 minutes of shitty ads. These guys at least know something about the history of the people they interview, ask intelligent questions and allow for the person they interview to complete their thoughts.

    So...four stars. I'd give it five but then again, I'm an asshole.

    Thanks for listening to the show. Much appreciated.

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    It's a good show. Not my style in terms of music but it's a lot better than most of the crap that's out there. Just listened to the Stephen Pearcy episode and have to commend the guy being well over 60 and still active in writing songs which seems to be a rarity these days.

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    I see Kristy is trying really hard to be on her best behavior. Respect for DLR!

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