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    Van Halen’s ‘A Different Kind of Truth' At 10: A Track-by-Track Guide

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    A new Van Halen album probably wouldn't have happened in 2012 without the musical equivalent of a son asking his father, "Are we there yet?"

    It was Wolfgang Van Halen's enthusiasm and initiative that drove A Different Kind of Truth, the band's 12th and final studio album. The group had reactivated in 2006 — with Wolfgang on bass and David Lee Roth back as singer — and toured the following year, but Eddie Van Halen, in particular, was reticent to making a new album. He was stung by the lukewarm response to 1998's Van Halen III, made with singer Gary Cherone, and by the indifference toward the new studio tracks recorded for 2004's The Best of Both Worlds compilation.

    But his son was not to be deterred.

    "It seemed like a logical thing," Wolfgang Van Halen tells UCR. "We've got a really good thing going here, what if we tried to do an album?" He did, however, understand that "at that point in time my dad's writing style had changed, drastically — not in a bad way, but I think in a different way, to where fans of classic-era Van Halen may not have appreciated it as much." But Wolfgang had an idea: Go back to the demo vault for songs, primarily from the years before Van Halen's debut album, and update them with the current lineup.

    "At that time Van Halen was very much a legacy act," he explains. "Sure, the die-hard fans wanted an album, but ... most people only wanted to hear 'Panama' and 'Jump' and stuff like that. So I thought it would be worth looking at old demos for inspiration ... and build upon old ideas to bring out something new. Dad was always writing, so there were always so many ideas up there."

    Van Halen trolled the vaults for candidates, and the group wound up creating a few brand-new tracks along the way, mostly from jams the three Van Halen instrumentalists played in the studio. Initial producers Rick Rubin and Pat Leonard didn't pan out, but John Shanks, Roth's choice, stuck, and A Different Kind of Truth was recorded between Van Halen's 5150 studio and Henson Recording Studios in Hollywood.

    It took nearly two years, but the 13-track set came out on Feb. 7, 2012, to good reviews, debuting at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 and No. 1 on the Top Rock Albums and Top Hard Rock Albums charts.

    "I think it's very impressive that Van Halen was able to do that in 2012," Wolfgang says now. "I don't think people understand how much of an effort it was that we were actually able to record an album. It took us a while, and we worked really hard on it. It was a fun experience and a fun experiment that I think we were grateful to be able to pull off. It was pretty crazy. I'm proud of what I put into it and what we were able to achieve." To commemorate A Different Kind of Truth, Wolfgang takes UCR on a personal tour through the album, track by track.

    "Tattoo"

    That was a song I didn't think should be at the beginning or the first [single] released. It’s still a great song. I was really happy with it. It was an old demo called "Down in Flames" [from 1977] that had a really cool riff. ... It happened twice as much on the original demo. We spread it out a little to make some space for the solo, that weave thing Dad does in the beginning. I thought it was fun. I think Dave's lyrics are super-quirky on that and really fun. But as an opener or first single, I wasn't into that. I fought for "She's the Woman" to be the first single. It's not a comment on the quality of the song "Tattoo" in any way. It was a little different in comparison to the rest of the album. People are so cynical and reactive these days with social media that I think when they get that [song], that's their first impression and they think the rest of the album's gonna be like that. And that wasn't the case with that.

    "She's the Woman"

    "She's the Woman," to me, was the most classic, like, straight-from-the-demo-era [1976] that it got. The original bridge in that was used in the original song "Mean Street." At the time it was a song called "Voodoo Queen" ... so we ended up coming up with our own thing for ["She's the Woman"]. I think it was cool the way Dad soloed around this new progression. It's almost a little bit proggy when you listen. It's a very interesting chord progression that he came up with. That song really epitomized the classic-era Van Halen party rock sort of vibe. I was really happy, really proud with that song.

    "You and Your Blues"

    That was a straight-up new song. That was a really fun one. Looking back on it now, it was the more melodic side of pop that you saw in the Hagar era, but with Dave there, and I thought it was really fun. I'm really proud of my performance on this song. Near the end, on the fade-out, I do some really cool harmonic stuff on the bass that sounded really fun. It was also one of the few songs I was able to sing on. Dave, for the longest time, didn't let us sing, do the background vocals on the album. I think it was just an opinion — he wanted to do it himself. And I disagreed with that because I think one of the biggest parts of Van Halen are the backing vocals. I think there were a couple songs we went back in and just said, "Fuck it, we're gonna do this. It's part of it. He can't stop us." It was Dad and I in the chorus, and that was really fun. I don't know if we ever played it live, but we did rehearse it, and man, playing that riff and singing the "ahs" in the chorus is a really tall order. But I really loved it.

    "China Town"

    With "China Town," I was so excited for people to hear it because that's probably my favorite song to play some from the album. I remember when it came out, everyone was like, "Ed must be using an octave pedal on that intro." I was like, "No." I put a capo on the bass. I was so creative that I put a capo on the bass and I'm tapping. Nobody believed it until we played it live, but that was a really fun thing because it was just Dad and I messing around the studio. I kept trying to play it and I was like, "I need a six-string bass with the last two strings tuned to a B and an E to do this." So I grabbed the capo and did it, and it was perfect. It went really well. That's another song that I'm just very proud of with everything I did on it. It's just a very aggressive and fun song. I think out of all the songs on the album, Dad, Al and I are really firing on all cylinders on that one. I think the end is just hilarious because then Dad starts soloing like crazy. I just got a new bass wah pedal, and I was having way too much fun with it. I was just doing all kinds of tapping stuff. Listen to the end of it, it's just a cacophony of tapping and funny noises. It was a really good time and one of my favorites.

    "Blood and Fire"

    "Blood and Fire," I think, musically, is one of the best songs Dad ever wrote. It was an old idea called "Ripley" [from the score for the 1984 film The Wild Life] based on this stereo guitar he had built by a guy, Steve Ripley — three strings were on the left [channel], three strings were on the right, and that was an old demo from 1984. The old demo has the old rototoms that Al used on that, so it was very trippy to hear that era Van Halen in that demo. But I really think Dad's melodic phrasing on that song was so picture-perfect 1984 era that you can still hear that. But then there are little flashes, like the little pre-part before the solo, Dad does this harmonic thing that reminded me of the Balance-era stuff that he would do as well. It almost reminded me of "Baluchitherium" in a way. I think we played that a couple times, but we didn't play it enough. I was really happy with my little bass riff in the chorus; I did this little run throughout it and it was tough to sing it and play it live, but I got it done.

    "Bullethead" (1977, 2011)

    "Bullethead" was one of the first three, as like a proof of concept if we could pull this off. It was "She's the Woman," "Bullethead" and "Let's Get Rockin'," which became "Outta Space." When we did those three songs it was like, "Oh, shit, we can do this!" It was kind of to prove it to ourselves that we could repurpose and build upon old ideas to bring out something new. And I think that's exactly what we did. "Bullethead" was just a straight-up punk song. Hearing all the old demos and old live bits for it, it's really just a thrashy punk song. It's a really fun, fun song.

    "As Is"

    "As Is," that was another new one. People would recognize that main idea from when Dad was on Two and a Half Men, and he called that idea "two burritos and a root beer float." He does the very beginning of the "As Is" riff — which shows you just how long ideas are kicking around. If you listen to "Jump," at the end dad plays "Top of the World"; that's how long that idea was around. In The Wild Life soundtrack, you hear "Right Now." With musicians, their ideas can be used at any time and might sit for a while, you never know. But going back to "As Is," that was a very special tuning because Dad was using this special bridge that he developed that allowed him to go to a different tuning at the flick of a little thing. So when you hear those dramatic changes in tuning between the intro and the main riff, that's his thing. I had a really weird tuning on the bass. The first string was a super low, a really weird note, and the rest was, like, normal standard. That was another fun one I have a really good time with because in the ride-out Dad and I do this thing together where it's like this descending tapping thing that's really fun, between the riff. That's a really good one. I love that."

    "Honeybabysweetiedoll"

    The most ridiculous name ever for a song. When I heard that I was, "OK, that's Dave ... " [laughs]. I think the original demo title was called, like, "Flex" or something, and it was because, at the very beginning, that weird scratching sound sounds like metal breaking. That's actually me. A lot of people think that's guitar, but the only guitar you hear at the beginning is that kind of high-pitched beeping Dad was messing with, with like an octave pedal and a delay, where that scratching thing is me with a bass wah [pedal] scratching up and down, and when it gets to the main riff that's me tapping with one finger. That whole main riff is just me tapping. And then Dave added, like, Russian walkie-talkie. He's, like, "Whatever." And his dog also, I believe, barks in the middle of the song, which was really fun. He was a great dog. He hung out around the studio. That was just really fun, such a different side. You never expect to hear a song like that from Van Halen. It was just a real heavy, evil-sounding song. It was a really fun one we'd play all the time.

    "The Trouble With Never"

    Out of all the songs on the bass, it is so fun to play. That riff that Dad wrote is just a really great warm-up. It was one of the few areas where there was a little slap moment in the verse. That was really fun to play. For the longest time, even after it was called "The Trouble With Never," we would still call it "Da Da Da Da Da Da Da" because that's the intro. So for the longest time, we would be like, "Well, what song should we play next?" and Dad would be like, "Da Da Da Da Da Da Da." It sounds counterintuitive, but that's just what we would do. That's another one where it's a different style. It's funkier, but a lot of really fun bass parts. I would love to do playthroughs on my YouTube channel at some point and would include this because that's a really fun one.

    "Outta Space"

    Lyrically that's all Dave, but when it came to the song that one was pretty much unchanged from the [1976] demo. I think that's pretty much one for one, from "Let's Get Rockin." Hearing that guitar riff for the first time when I heard that demo was, "Oh, man, we gotta do this." It's such a perfect, classic Van Halen-era sort of sounding song. I updated the bass riff of it to make it my own. It's a really busy bass line. It's all 16th notes the whole friggin' time, a really active bass part.

    "Stay Frosty"

    "Stay Frosty" was a brand new track, and it was all Dave. It was his original song. But I'm the one who added structure to it. It was just that original, that beginning, and we didn't know where to go with it. And I thought, What if we treated it, obviously, as a sort of "Ice Cream Man"? It's called "Stay Frosty." It's Dave acoustic at the beginning, it just makes sense. I'm not trying to sound like, "Oh, it was all me," but literally constructing that song, it was all me, the idea to do the stabs into it and come into it, with Dad doing the little slide part and then the solo and stuff. It's pretty much like "Ice Cream Man 2" in a way. That was sort of the vibe we were going for in the studio. That was one of the main collaborative experiences when it was all four of us in the studio together figuring that out. Because usually Dad, Al and I were in the studio during the day recording stuff, and then Dave would come in later by himself to do the vocals. But that was the one where, "Hey, we need to figure this out," and all four of us were in the studio together, and that was a really fun collaborative effort. And I'm, in a way, really honored that Dave and the producer at the time, John Shanks, gave me the time of day to actually lead a bit. That was, it showed that they trusted me or at least wanted to give me a chance. That was nice.

    "Big River"

    That was another one where it was pretty similar to the demo [1976, as "Big Trouble"]. That bridge section is one of my favorite moments on an album. I think Dad's solo and the chord progression in that solo section is just really, really fun. It's aggressive. The main riff is pretty much one for one, and I thought it was funny that Dave called it "Big River" when it was "Big Trouble," so it pretty much transferred really easily.

    "Beats Workin'"

    Listening to the album as a whole, "Beats Workin'" was a really fitting finale, I think because we did that whole epic intro that Dad and I wrote. We were doing these two parts together, and it's like a minute and a half, this building intro thing. It has probably my favorite bass part on the whole album, which was the bridge. It almost hearkened back to the era of funky sort of '70s groove stuff. I dig how melodic and chord-based the bass riff is in that bridge, where it's just by itself and Alex is hitting the cowbell. It's just a fun thing. And then Dad goes into the solo. That's one of my favorite moments on the album, for sure. Maybe it's just looking back on it, or just with the context of where we are now, but it being the very last song on the very last album, it has this feeling of finality to it that you can almost hear in the track. It feels like a very good, in my opinion, send-off for what Van Halen was. When you listen to it, it's pretty great.
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    Long overdue - that interview fills in some details.

    We still don't know how or why Tattoo was chosen as the first song and title track.
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    I still say "Tattoo" was an inside joke, due to the nature of the album being (mostly) resurrected demos, just like the Stones album "Tattoo You".
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    Naw. Alex Van Halen said Roth would go through fads. Whatever Dave was into at the time he would emerge himself in it and that inspired his lyrics. Panama was inspired by the Panama hat wearing fad at the time. Tattoo was inspired by Dave’s obsession of tattoos at the time. It’s probably that simple and I doubt it’s any deeper than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Panama was inspired by the Panama hat wearing fad at the time.
    what?

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    Ed had a lot to do with how things were done. Ed’s substance abuse had gotten so bad his family as a last resort figured if they got Ed on tour; the responsibility of having to perform shows might clean him up. That was The Smoking Loon or Side Show Bob tour. Even back in the classic Roth era of Van Halen Noel Monk said you had to keep Ed busy or he would degenerate into a unhappy person priming himself with cocaine and booze. The reason Wolfgang became part of the band was it was the only way they could keep Ed busy. So that’s what Wolfgang was putting up with. Fortunately Ed improved and had one last tour that he played great. It is what it is. Much of the stuff fans speculate about isn’t in the mix. It was more about trying to keep Ed alive and clean him up than meeting some kind of artistic objective. I don’t know what Jani did but Ed improved with her in his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    what?
    It was about wearing a Panamanian hat. Smoking the big ganja and the whole lifestyle revolving around that. It’s a Roth song. It’s not supposed to make any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    https://ultimateclassicrock.com/van-...rack-by-track/

    "Honeybabysweetiedoll"

    The most ridiculous name ever for a song. When I heard that I was, "OK, that's Dave ... " [laughs]. I think the original demo title was called, like, "Flex" or something, and it was because, at the very beginning, that weird scratching sound sounds like metal breaking. That's actually me. A lot of people think that's guitar, but the only guitar you hear at the beginning is that kind of high-pitched beeping Dad was messing with, with like an octave pedal and a delay, where that scratching thing is me with a bass wah [pedal] scratching up and down, and when it gets to the main riff that's me tapping with one finger. That whole main riff is just me tapping. And then Dave added, like, Russian walkie-talkie. He's, like, "Whatever." And his dog also, I believe, barks in the middle of the song, which was really fun. He was a great dog. He hung out around the studio. That was just really fun, such a different side. You never expect to hear a song like that from Van Halen. It was just a real heavy, evil-sounding song. It was a really fun one we'd play all the time.
    Didn't mention it was a Dave demo...


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    ADKOT is a miracle that it actually happened.

    Although it would've been nice had it been a true CVH album with Mike, I think its the perfect ending for the band.
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    I'm assuming that if Mike was there Dave would have let him sing backing vocals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I'm assuming that if Mike was there Dave would have let him sing backing vocals...
    This was one of my many problems I had with the EEAS stuff. The harmonies (all Dave) sucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I'm assuming that if Mike was there Dave would have let him sing backing vocals...
    I'm thinking that's why Dave didn't want anyone else doing the background vocals. Like saying if Anthony aint there then those backing vocals aint gonna be there either.

    On one hand I kind of agree with Dave, however, doubling up with his own vocals for BG vox never sounded good on his solo outings as Von says.

    They could have either had Wolf and Ed do it or have a session singer come in and sing like Mike.

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    Love this lp...hate the mix...sounds like shit..Live from Tokyo sounds better..til Roth starts singing
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    1. Tattoo - Seemed like a bit of a middling-rocker instrumentally to have been the lead single off the album. Was pretty ho-hum about it as a demo from decades back to begin with. Not terrible by any means.

    2. She's The Woman - That reworked demo sounds more along the lines of the type of CVH I enjoy than Tattoo does. Good stuff.

    3. You And Your Blues - Didn't care for this one. Never did much for me.

    4. China Town - Now THIS is the stuff!!

    5. Blood And Fire - Great reworking of that Ripley track. Great stuff.

    6. Bullethead - Another solid reworking of an old CVH demo.

    7. As Is - one of the newer/non-old demo tracks (along with China Town) that I enjoyed.

    8. Honeybabysweetiedoll - meh...there are a few instrumental moments/riffs I liked, but overall this isn't really what I'd want from a Van Halen track.

    9. The Trouble With Never - disposable...sounds like a lesser track on a Roth solo album.

    10. Outta Space - another good reworking of an old demo.

    11. Stay Frosty - me likes it! "Blah, blah, blah...it's just an homage to Ice Cream Man...blah, blah, blah" What-fucking-ever: it brings a smile to my face.

    12. Big River - I gotta say...I think this is my favorite track on the album. Fantastic reworking of another old demo track.

    13. Beats Workin' - another solid updating of an old demo track.


    Overall? For the most part, it was the revamped 1970s demo tunes that held my interest the strongest. A couple/few duds, but 10 out of the 13 tracks I either liked or really liked.
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    The shit song always becomes the single. Jump was shit. Tattoo is shit as well. Apparently the general public likes shit and only the highly intelligent minority want the really good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairwrning View Post
    Love this lp...hate the mix...sounds like shit..Live from Tokyo sounds better..til Roth starts singing
    They should have mixed on a good ol Neve console. My dog could mix on one and it would sound good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    1. Tattoo - Seemed like a bit of a middling-rocker instrumentally to have been the lead single off the album. Was pretty ho-hum about it as a demo from decades back to begin with. Not terrible by any means.

    2. She's The Woman - That reworked demo sounds more along the lines of the type of CVH I enjoy than Tattoo does. Good stuff.

    3. You And Your Blues - Didn't care for this one. Never did much for me.

    4. China Town - Now THIS is the stuff!!

    5. Blood And Fire - Great reworking of that Ripley track. Great stuff.

    6. Bullethead - Another solid reworking of an old CVH demo.

    7. As Is - one of the newer/non-old demo tracks (along with China Town) that I enjoyed.

    8. Honeybabysweetiedoll - meh...there are a few instrumental moments/riffs I liked, but overall this isn't really what I'd want from a Van Halen track.

    9. The Trouble With Never - disposable...sounds like a lesser track on a Roth solo album.

    10. Outta Space - another good reworking of an old demo.

    11. Stay Frosty - me likes it! "Blah, blah, blah...it's just an homage to Ice Cream Man...blah, blah, blah" What-fucking-ever: it brings a smile to my face.

    12. Big River - I gotta say...I think this is my favorite track on the album. Fantastic reworking of another old demo track.

    13. Beats Workin' - another solid updating of an old demo track.


    Overall? For the most part, it was the revamped 1970s demo tunes that held my interest the strongest. A couple/few duds, but 10 out of the 13 tracks I either liked or really liked.
    The weird thing about Tattoo: it was a big hit in Japan all the way to #14.
    It did crack the Hot 100 as well in the USA.
    I wish they had done Big River live, it has a great hook and was an obvious third radio single.
    Why they went with Stay Frosty, I don't know.
    I think ADKOT is way under appreciated. It was a return to form for Ed.
    The record has a lot of energy, that was not there at all during the dark ages of Hagar.
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    Anybody tried to find a vinyl copy on ebay?..yikes

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/31385931681...QAAOSw93Ncrits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The shit song always becomes the single. Jump was shit. Tattoo is shit as well. Apparently the general public likes shit and only the highly intelligent minority want the really good stuff.
    I was never all that fond of Jump, even back when it first came out.

    I'm not particularly fond of Tattoo, either. It just kind of plods along to no real effect for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick500 View Post
    The weird thing about Tattoo: it was a big hit in Japan all the way to #14.
    It did crack the Hot 100 as well in the USA.
    I wish they had done Big River live, it has a great hook and was an obvious third radio single.
    Why they went with Stay Frosty, I don't know.
    I think ADKOT is way under appreciated. It was a return to form for Ed.
    The record has a lot of energy, that was not there at all during the dark ages of Hagar.
    When I saw them on that tour, they did...what the fuck DID they do off that album?

    They did The Trouble With Never, which was my least favorite track on the album.

    I think they did Tattoo as well as Chinatown.

    I would have LOVED to have heard them play Big River live.

    I'd agree that eventually - pretty much with the ADKOT album and tour - Ed got back to form in terms of playing up to par with what he was doing back in the CVH days. It was pretty much Ed going back and playing that CVH stuff for the 2007 tour as well as relearning the old CVH demos for ADKOT that got him back in full-on CVH mode...especially after Van Halen III folded...that whole period between 2000 and 2007...I mean, you listen to his playing on the 2004 tour, and he was off form (at least with the Van Halen III tour, Ed could still play the CVH stuff well live) and that was also true to a degree for the 2007 tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairwrning View Post
    Anybody tried to find a vinyl copy on ebay?..yikes

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/31385931681...QAAOSw93Ncrits
    Upwards of $700?

    Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairwrning View Post
    Love this lp...hate the mix...sounds like shit..Live from Tokyo sounds better..til Roth starts singing
    That's definitely a drawback for ADKOT: be it either playing it through speakers or through headphones, when you crank it up it distorts to shit. It does have a dry digital sound even at lower volumes. Contrast that with the Fair Warning album, where you can crank that fucker right up and everything is still clear in the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I was never all that fond of Jump, even back when it first came out.

    I'm not particularly fond of Tattoo, either. It just kind of plods along to no real effect for me.
    Both songs are boring as hell. They just demonstrate how dumb the general public is. They like quaint circus music.

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    The record companies and radio stations hated sophisticated music. It was over the heads of the majority of the listening audience. So we get Jump this, Jump that and everybody wang chung tonight. Ed writes a dumb song on a keyboard and it’s his big hit song. Forget Top Jimmy or Panama. We want the circus song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    That's definitely a drawback for ADKOT: be it either playing it through speakers or through headphones, when you crank it up it distorts to shit. It does have a dry digital sound even at lower volumes. Contrast that with the Fair Warning album, where you can crank that fucker right up and everything is still clear in the mix.
    Yup. It’s why studios are hanging onto their old analog Neve mixing consoles. They are very forgiving and you don’t get the brittle sound you get from a digital console. A Neve can make up for the engineer’s sin where a digital console can bite your ass.

    I actually run ADKOT through a very good multichannel EQ and through a McIntosh tube amplifier to bring some color and depth into it.

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    I think Sunset Sound had analog Universal Audio consoles when Fair Warning was mixed. But you also had Donn Landee as the engineer. People still talk about what a genius that guy was and there were a lot of good engineers in LA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Both songs are boring as hell. They just demonstrate how dumb the general public is. They like quaint circus music.
    I remember when Jump came out, and the kids in my high school who had previously thought Van Halen was dumb rock for burnouts were all of a sudden saying how great Jump was, and I was puzzled at the time because Jump and I'll Wait were the tracks on 1984 I liked the least.

    When Hagar joined the band a couple years later, those same "I like Van Halen: they did Jump!" high school kids - which were pretty much all either jocks, cheerleaders or class president types - REALLY started liking the band. They loved those synth tunes...they actually thought the band got better when Roth left.

    Yeesh.

    I started seeing this high school girl in my class in 1987. We'd go to her house after school, because both her parents worked, and we'd go upstairs to her bedroom and fuck around. She insisted we listen to either the 5150 album or Bon Jovi's Slippery When Wet while we were fucking around. Subsequently, I heard both of those albums dozens of times that year.

    About 30 years later, I looked her up on facebook. She put on (more than) a bit of weight. Sad. Made me wistful, because she had the greatest tasting pussy. That teen twat circa 1980s, back when many girls even in their mid to late teens hadn't had ten million dicks in them already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Yup. It’s why studios are hanging onto their old analog Neve mixing consoles. They are very forgiving and you don’t get the brittle sound you get from a digital console. A Neve can make up for the engineer’s sin where a digital console can bite your ass.

    I actually run ADKOT through a very good multichannel EQ and through a McIntosh tube amplifier to bring some color and depth into it.
    I work with a Midas Pro2c digital console currently and it's got some of the best clean sound available that's as close to many of the high end analog consoles I've worked on. You can get great sound and excellent mixing capabilities out of digital with the right gear.

    There's very little you can do to improve ADKOT with an EQ and great system... the problem isn't tone or warmth... it's the way it's mixed into a packed wall of compressed sound with literally no frequency space unfilled.

    As I've said before... the best description of how the final mix of ADKOT is... they stuffed a size 12 woman into pair of size 5 skinny jeans. Fits so tight, it can't breath!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    That's definitely a drawback for ADKOT: be it either playing it through speakers or through headphones, when you crank it up it distorts to shit. It does have a dry digital sound even at lower volumes. Contrast that with the Fair Warning album, where you can crank that fucker right up and everything is still clear in the mix.
    My last car stereo I installed, Mean Street was the sound check...

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    Tattoo grows on you..its got a good groove to it live and great licks from ed imo


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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Upwards of $700?

    Jesus.
    Thank god I purchased the vinyl when it came out in 2012. Its a great package. Double red vinyl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post

    About 30 years later, I looked her up on facebook. She put on (more than) a bit of weight. Sad. Made me wistful, because she had the greatest tasting pussy. That teen twat circa 1980s, back when many girls even in their mid to late teens hadn't had ten million dicks in them already.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Thank god I purchased the vinyl when it came out in 2012. Its a great package. Double red vinyl.
    You hipster, you.
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    For years and years my go to for any new stereo was Skyscraper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Thank god I purchased the vinyl when it came out in 2012. Its a great package. Double red vinyl.
    I was almost about to say that, I seem to remember quite a few people here at the time saying they had bought the vinyl. Maybe ELVIS will be able to get a new trailer the way the prices are going.

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    Maybe I'm wrong.

    This was a carefully assembled swan song for Van Halen. Assembled by Dave.

    1. Tattoo. Same formula as Jump. Meant to be a straight pop-rock single.

    2. She's The Woman - solid classic VH song.

    3. You And Your Blues - song for Sammy.

    4. China Town - love this.

    5. Blood And Fire - a nod to the Gene Simmons/KISS start to VH's career.

    6. Bullethead - Sixth track. Get it? Bullet/six-shooter?

    7. As Is - great stuff.

    8. Honeybabysweetiedoll - a very Dave song.

    9. The Trouble With Never - an answer to Alex's statement that VH will never have Dave as the lead singer again.

    10. Outta Space - dedicated to Wolfgang.

    11. Stay Frosty - dedicated to Dave.

    12. Big River - Dedicated to Eddie. "listen to a beerglass, that river belongs to me"

    13. Beats Workin' - Dedicated to Alex.

    I might be wrong. But that is how I see it.

    I love this album
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    I'm pretty sure you are wrong but I agree it's a great album.

    The 2 criticisms that people make of this album are pretty dumb

    1) It stole from previous demos.
    This is fucking stupid because

    a) You can't steal from yourself
    b) They reworked them a lot
    c) They did the exact same thing throughout the first 6 albums,
    d) ADKOT is much longer than the usual VH album and so has more original material on it than maybe all of them apart from VH1? That may be shit but it's not miles off.

    and

    2) Michael Antony isn't on it.
    Ok yes but there is no conceivable way the album could have happened without Wolfgang so it is what it is. It's also arguable that Wolf brought some stuff on a number of tracks that MA would never have especially judging by the mediocre dirge of Chickenfoot*



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