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    Coup to remove cancer-stricken Putin underway in Russia, Ukrainian intelligence chief

    Coup to remove cancer-stricken Putin underway in Russia, Ukrainian intelligence chief says

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    Sat, May 14, 2022, 10:46 AM
    A coup is underway to oust Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is "very sick" due to cancer, according to Ukraine's head of military intelligence.

    "It will eventually lead to the change of leadership of the Russian Federation. This process has already been launched and they are moving into that way," Ukrainian Major Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told the UK's Sky News in an exclusive interview.

    An interviewer asked if a coup is underway, to which Budanov replied, "Yes. They are moving in this way and it is impossible to stop it."

    Putin has cancer and other ailments, he said, dismissing the suggestion that he was spreading propaganda.

    The Sunday Times recently reported that Putin has blood cancer, citing an unnamed Russian oligarch with close ties to the Kremlin. And a video recently resurfaced showing Putin shaking while welcoming Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko in mid-February, according to The Independent, fueling speculation that the despot has Parkinson's disease.

    This story was originally featured on Fortune.com
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    Phoney baloney hooey fooey wishful thinking. Plastic surgery disaster Putin has way too many 'yes' men surrounding him who are just as fucked-up and sociopathic ex-FSB as he is. The only way I can see this possibly happening if the RuZZian military overthrows the government from within and without and has overwhelming public support otherwise RuZZia will have one hell of a civil war on their hands in the same manner ol' F A T T Y wanted to do here (with Putin's blessing). With that said, I do believe Putin's days are numbered. Who can really say for sure what type of cancer he has or if that cancer has metastasized into his tiny RuZzian brain and is seriously affecting his judgement. Putin is living in the past of a RuZZia of some 60-70 years ago where his colleges murdered hundreds if not thousands at will and kept their nation in fear due to "Western influence."

    Unless a close advisor pulls out a Glock 17 and places a few bullets in his weirdly fucked up looking skull Putin is going nowhere anytime soon - as in the next few weeks to months. He has an American mid-term to fuck up after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Looks like he suffers from TSTS - "Trump stubby thumb syndrome".
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    So Putin took the Moderna shot? Ha! Ha!
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    A lot of Russians refused the vaccine because they didn't trust their government.

    Their vaccine was bit shitty compared to Western ones but much better than nothing but the point is that lying politicians has consequences. Before someone says politicians always lie blah de fucking blah no shit Sherlock but there are degrees of lying.

    Putin, Trump and Boris Johnson is a new level of lying utter fucking bullshit. This isn't a politics thing this is just fucking wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    A lot of Russians refused the vaccine because they didn't trust their government.

    Their vaccine was bit shitty compared to Western ones but much better than nothing but the point is that lying politicians has consequences. Before someone says politicians always lie blah de fucking blah no shit Sherlock but there are degrees of lying.

    Putin, Trump and Boris Johnson is a new level of lying utter fucking bullshit. This isn't a politics thing this is just fucking wrong.
    Russian Troll propaganda and misinformation intended for stupid Americans boomeranged back to Russia and caused one of the highest death rates for Covid...

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    Russia’s Vladimir Putin ‘very ill’ with blood cancer: secret recording
    By Eileen AJ Connelly
    May 14, 2022 12:03pm Updated

    The type of cancer was unspecified, New Lines reported in a story discussing myriad rumors about Putin’s health.

    “The recording represents rare testimony by someone with proven ties to the Russian government that its fanatical dictator may well be seriously unwell,” the magazine stated of the comments made during a mid-March discussion with someone described as a “Western venture capitalist.”

    “He absolutely ruined Russia’s economy, Ukraine’s economy and many other economies — ruined [them] absolutely,” the unnamed oligarch said of Putin on the tape. “The problem is with his head. … One crazy guy can turn the world upside down.”


    Russian President Vladimir Putin appeared to have dark blotches on his cheeks in a video released May 11, 2022.
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    The man is an energy tycoon who is currently outside of Russia with a net worth that puts him on the list of the 200 richest Russian businessmen. He can be heard on the tape vehemently criticizing the invasion of Ukraine and questioning the purpose of more than 15,000 Russian soliders’ deaths.

    And he says “we all hope” Putin dies from his cancer or possibly from some intervention such as a coup, to spare Russia from further misfortune.

    The oligarch “had no idea he was being recorded,” on the 11-minute tape, New Lines said, adding that it identified the man by his voice but withheld his name “because of the high probability disclosing it would lead to state retaliation,” noting Russia’s law that imposes 15 years in prison for spreading “fake news.”

    It noted that Roman Abramovich, owner of the Chelsea Football Club in London, may have been poisoned in March amid his efforts to negotiate a peace deal with Ukraine and said eight other oligarchs “have turned up dead since January,” including two purported to have murdered their wives and children before committing suicide, one in Spain and one in Moscow.

    Ukraine’s head of military intelligence also claimed Putin has cancer and suggested that a coup to remove the Russian leader is already underway.

    Maj. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov said the heavy losses that Russian forces have suffered prelude a defeat by the end of the year and will “eventually lead to the change of leadership of the Russian Federation.”

    The Times of London noted rampant speculation about Putin’s health after he was seen on several occasions walking with an apparent limp and a puffy face that could suggest he’s being treated with steroids. And during last week’s Victory Day Parade, the Russian leader was wrapped in a heavy wool blanket.

    The Times also cited an investigation by Proyekt, an independent Russian publication, that disclosed that Putin is accompanied almost everywhere by three doctors, including an oncologist, or cancer specialist, and that the leader bathes in the blood from the antlers of young reindeer, an “alternative treatment” he learned of in Siberia.

    Moreover, the New Lines story pointed to a memo sent out to officers in the Federal Security Service (FSB), the successor to the Soviet KGB, telling them not to speculate about Putin’s health or “trust rumors about the president’s terminal condition.”

    The instructions had the opposite effect, convincing most FSB officers that Putin is ill, the magazine reported.


    https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/russia...ret-recording/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post

    Putin, Trump and Boris Johnson is a new level of lying utter fucking bullshit. This isn't a politics thing this is just fucking wrong.
    A brief moment of Russian history may have embraced liberal democracy and pluralism happened with the fall of the Soviet Union. With no clear political direction, Putin took advantage using the power of the new oligarchs in turn for favors in looting national resources. Putin's thug friends in the police silenced the opposition, and like Napoleon and Hitler, he had himself made permanent president. His appeal to patriotism, the use of lies about the intention of the West, and the imprisonment and exile of populations are his typical fascist techniques.

    Internationally, Putin's actions are condoned by two types of governments. 1. Those who rely on Russian equipment. 2. Those run by autocrats, thugs or military dictators.

    I bring this up because this is Trump's vision for America and so many are blindly willingly to accept it without question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Russian Troll propaganda and misinformation intended for stupid Americans boomeranged back to Russia and caused one of the highest death rates for Covid...


    Putin thought Ukraine would be in the bag by now, along with Moldova, then to the ’Stans that used to be part of the USSR. Putin would not have thought the sanctions would be so quick, severe and targeted. The Russian economy is collapsing. COVID doesn't even come close to what's happening in RuZZia right now.

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    It's a possibility


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    A brief moment of Russian history may have embraced liberal democracy and pluralism happened with the fall of the Soviet Union. With no clear political direction, Putin took advantage using the power of the new oligarchs in turn for favors in looting national resources. Putin's thug friends in the police silenced the opposition, and like Napoleon and Hitler, he had himself made permanent president. His appeal to patriotism, the use of lies about the intention of the West, and the imprisonment and exile of populations are his typical fascist techniques.

    Internationally, Putin's actions are condoned by two types of governments. 1. Those who rely on Russian equipment. 2. Those run by autocrats, thugs or military dictators.

    I bring this up because this is Trump's vision for America and so many are blindly willingly to accept it without question.
    The KGB took control of post Soviet Russia. Putin is the public face, probably because he was based in East Germany, speaks German very well and some English. He knew Angela Merkel from the old Stasi days. Russia needed the image of a powerful leader. Putin played the part but if you think you are going to change things in Russia by simply getting rid of Putin that’s like trying to destroy a car by breaking off the hood ornament.

    Sorry. Americans and Western Europeans are very ignorant as far as Russia is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Putin thought Ukraine would be in the bag by now, along with Moldova, then to the ’Stans that used to be part of the USSR. Putin would not have thought the sanctions would be so quick, severe and targeted. The Russian economy is collapsing. COVID doesn't even come close to what's happening in RuZZia right now.
    High oil prices don’t hurt Russia. Just the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    A lot of Russians refused the vaccine because they didn't trust their government.

    Their vaccine was bit shitty compared to Western ones but much better than nothing but the point is that lying politicians has consequences. Before someone says politicians always lie blah de fucking blah no shit Sherlock but there are degrees of lying.

    Putin, Trump and Boris Johnson is a new level of lying utter fucking bullshit. This isn't a politics thing this is just fucking wrong.
    The smaller the world becomes the more universal lies become.

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    Egos are great. More people kill themselves with their own egos than anything else. Learn to exploit egos and you will go far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Egos are great. More people kill themselves with their own egos than anything else. Learn to exploit egos and you will go far.
    Great post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The KGB took control of post Soviet Russia. Putin is the public face, probably because he was based in East Germany, speaks German very well and some English. He knew Angela Merkel from the old Stasi days. Russia needed the image of a powerful leader. Putin played the part but if you think you are going to change things in Russia by simply getting rid of Putin that’s like trying to destroy a car by breaking off the hood ornament.

    Sorry. Americans and Western Europeans are very ignorant as far as Russia is concerned.
    Last part you first.

    No the "KGB" didn't take control of Russia since they fractured into at least 2 or 3 different organizations.

    The Oligarchs took control, they already had it actually.

    WTF does Putin's "German" time have to do with anything? He was the mayor of St. Petersburg when he rose. His demonic deal was that he would root out corruption and destroy the oligarchs. He simply replaced them!

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    Putin is not just some sales rep for the Oligarchs, he is the head one. He maybe didn't start out that way but he is now. The estimates of his wealth seem to vary between $200 and $400 billion

    The $200 billion figure was estimated by financier Bill Browder who, in a testimony to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee in 2017, said that Putin amassed most of his wealth after a Moscow court jailed oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky in 2003 for fraud and tax evasion:

    "After Khodorkovsky's conviction, the other oligarchs went to Putin and asked him what they needed to do to avoid sitting in the same cage as Khodorkovsky. From what followed, it appeared that Putin's answer was, "50%" He wasn't saying 50% for the Russian government or the presidential administration of Russia, but 50% for Vladimir Putin personally."

    On top of all this, the famous Panama Papers revealed a network of secret offshore deals and loans worth $2 billion pointing to Putin in 2016.

    https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/vladi...et-worth-2022/

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    Mopping up the trenchline...

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    Fuck the RuZZians.

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    Yes, guess what? More dead Ruzzians



    If this is the result of American made artillery then that is some scary ass artillery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Yes, guess what? More dead Ruzzians
    Some people could argue your continued delight at the death of largely conscripts weakens your position as the self appointed moral guardian of all things in the forum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Some people could argue your continued delight at the death of largely conscripts weakens your position as the self appointed moral guardian of all things in the forum...
    It’s one thing to dislike a political leader or a government but most people in any of these countries just live there because they were born there. Yeah it’s easy to slag people you never met but if you have actually been to some of these countries and know people there it’s a bit different. I’ve been fucked over by Americans more than anyone else. You are going to be fucked over by your neighbors more than someone halfway around the world but yet we like to have something to hate. Russia is the current flavor of the month to hate. The politicians here fucking everyone want you focused on Russia. It takes the attention off them and don’t think they aren’t skimming all the money we are sending over and making mint on the weapons used. How are the Russians fucking you?

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    Putin: A Friendly Warning—Don’t Push America Too Hard!! You May Regret It!!
    In the late 1970’s under the Nixon Administration, I was sent to Moscow to negotiate sotto voce a deal in which I would give the KGB/GRU Wang computers in exchange for Christian dissidents “hospitalized” at the Kaschenko Psychiatric Hospital. This may have been the first time that Christian lives were commoditized. No mention was made of potentially embarrassing statements like: “human rights violations”; “repression”; or psychiatric abuse, using the term ‘Sluggish Schizophrenia’ to negate the legal rights of Soviet political dissidents. We worked quietly and effectively to resolve our mutual national security interests and retained a modicum of good-will to allow for the ‘dissolution’ of the Soviet Union.


    Mr Putin, contrary to your public statements bemoaning the downfall of the Soviet Union, you know all too well that it was crumbling from fifty years of Stalinist repression; economic dystrophy; and military fatigue. At that time when I was part of a select group of “architects” for the dismantling of the Soviet Union, both your Stasi and KGB bosses understood that Communism had failed it’s revolutionary mandates over the past decades. The Russians were impoverished, hungry for both freedom and bread. That was the reality when Reagan/Bush accomplished in the transformation.
    Now, you inflame the nostalgia for an era that was replete with Gulags [prison camps]; torture; ethnic cleansing; and an assortment of genocides of different forms. You can stir the flames of Russian nationalism. That’s fine.
    But please do not think of doing that at the expense of invoking anti-Americanism or anti-western sentiments.
    That won’t work!
    I can assure you!
    Let me tell you a personal anecdote.
    In the late 1970’s when I was in Moscow, several Soviet Intelligence officials were kind enough to invite me to their house for a private dinner. As you know, Putin, no one can be as hospitable as the Russians. We drank. We ate. We sang in English and in Russian. Then we each toasted the other—to health and peace.
    It was touching moment, broken by a faux pas, unintended. A GRU [military agent] told me in a sarcastic way that we, Americans, were very immature and childish. I asked him how he came to his conclusion. There was no hostility. I even felt the warm sense of friendship that only ostensible enemies can share with each other in a moment of danger-- especially in the secret world of silence. The well-informed GRU agent correctly accused us, Americans, of loving childish items like Disneyland and cartoon characters. I raised my glass of vodka and laughingly added:
    “Of course, my comrade, as usual you are right. But please remember that simple fact that those same Americans who created Disneyland and the Disney cartoons are creating ICBMs pointed straight at the USSR.”
    Silence erupted . Everyone was stunned.
    I simply added, “Nasdarovy!” “To your collective health”.

    Putin, we all know that you are the leader of the Russian Federation because our intelligence community decided that you would be the best replacement for the drunkard Yeltsin. Please remember the very important element of the Soviet dissolution, there was not one shot fired in the dismantling of your precious evil empire. How that was done remains classified. However, I can assure you that it was based on understanding the Russian National Character and how it is at odds with the operational code of Bolshevism/USSR.
    We, Americans, may seem simplistic to you, but don’t make the mistake that we don’t understand you, Russia and the ex-Soviet Union. We know you may crave some sort of revenge for what Americans did to your country, your relatives and your former bosses. Your former leader, the great Stalin, who murdered 27 million of his own people helped by your former colleagues at the KGB, GRU and NK VD created an institution called the U.S.S.R. that America dismantled with no battles, no guns. Trust me, what we accomplished in the dissolution of the Soviet Union was not child’s play.


    We empathize with your need to poke fun at the spy novelists who claim that they dismantled the soviet union. Just remember that some of the great ones, Somerset Maugham, John Le Carre and others were also intelligence officers. I caution you to fight your own narcissism and tendency toward self aggrandizement. If unchecked, you could do great harm to the Russian Federation.
    Most importantly, temper your own ENVY. It will lead to your destruction. How do I know this? Because I used ENVY to manipulate the downfall of the Soviet Union. Don’t fall for the same old trap again! The Russians have been nursing an inferiority complex since Catherine the Great ruled. Remember that she was German and she ruled with patience, wiliness and charm. Recommendation: partner with Angela Merkel to come up with some practical solutions for a workable detente. That could be very productive for you and the Russian Federation. Germany and Russia have always had a special relationship.



    Once emotions have been tempered, feel free to channel your energy into writing your auto-biography. If that’s too close to home, then why not a spy novel? You could call it Putin’s Paradox. I can even suggest a book agent and possibly a publisher. Then who knows? Movie and TV rights, speaking tours, there is some serious money to be made. And you’ll be famous- in a good way.
    This is a much better way to crown your career! I am talking Legacy, here! Do you really want to be known as a “Stalin” or the “Butcher of the Ukraine” like Khrushchev? That is so last century, so primitive! Good luck with controlling those demons and ghosts, you will need it. But think of the long lasting pay off if you do.

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    Putin should have written the book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Some people could argue your continued delight at the death of largely conscripts weakens your position as the self appointed moral guardian of all things in the forum...
    I agree a bit callous and that the conscripts are largely the product of an overall brutal system that cares little for them. They're even being shot if severally wounded by their own commanders. But it's hard to have to much sympathy for them with the bevy of murders, looting, and rape coming out of the occupied areas of the Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Some people could argue your continued delight at the death of largely conscripts weakens your position as the self appointed moral guardian of all things in the forum...

    Well as long as it's "some people." Morality in war does not seem to coexist under Putin's autocratic thumb. It has nothing to do with my own personal beliefs when a army of invaders ruthlessly attack, rape, torture, loot, and slaughter innocent civilians with impunity. Many of them seem to be these "conscripts" who have zero problem pulling the trigger. Ukraine has every right to defend itself and such a stance will go on for decades if the RuZZian government stays the same. Right now the only means one can cope with this war (as in any war) is to prepare for death. This RuZZians seem to fail at this no matter how many lessons they are being taught.

    So I guess you can say I am delighted at seeing Putin get his nose bloodied in the same way Bush has his nose bloodied in Iraq and Afghanistan. The unprovoked invasion and occupation of a sovereign country only leads to suffering where even the "aggressors" pay for their brutality. See, this is exactly why you are such a slave. Just like slave FORD you need and purposefully seek out this bullshit false democratic and populist phraseology that only advances the interests of privileged sections of the upper middle class that only defend the greed of capitalism against any true social reform and revolution. You think Puke Yugar honestly gives a fuck about this war or that he and his team of derivative reporting assholes exploit if for their own personal profit by getting eyeballs to send him money with his (alleged) "controversial" opinions? I swear, some of the shit that gets posted here is no different from that of Fox News or any of those Uber right-wring fringe outlets that see RuZZia as the victim here. Appears to me by your comment that you're a Putin sympathizer in that the crimes of this war all get a pass simply because they are conscripts.


    And it appears I'm not alone alone. Both the Republicans and the Democrats are enjoying this war. Arms sales alone have increased distributions of wealth among the richest ten percent of the American population who own them (many of them being Republican) and even AOC and Bernie who both don't know shit about socialism voted for the $40 billion aid packaged to Ukraine - and by "aid" I mean more advanced weaponry. Isn't that amazing? Amazing how both sides of the aisle are for America's US imperialism’s own strategic goal with Biden at the helm saying the deployment of American ground forces can only deter RuZZian “adventurism” and project national power and exert influence in political conflicts all in the name of a dollar or two? But I digress.


    And by the way, look to your own country. Right now in the Shetland Islands Scottish forces are training the Swedes and preparing them for war which will eventually lead to more and more dead RuZZians mainly because they don't want to be occupied or have their women and children raped and their material possessions stolen, etc because Putin is not stopping. I swear to fuck if ol' F A T T Y was in power he would have given Alaska back to RuZzia by now but I'm digressing again.


    It is no wonder the RuZZian people do not see such images much in the same manner the American public turned away in disgust over the images of Viet Nam. The only time I have any feeling for a RuZZian is when they say they were lied to. Sure, you can make for a solid argument the The Sun is another propaganda media machine and they to are profiting off this war but this is the closest many will come to the reality of death and destruction without the superfluous opinion and commentary. This is the reality of war for the RuZZian people. I have zero sympathy for them. They brought this entirely upon themselves and no amount of pseudo liberal compassion is going to end it. May death continue to rain upon them until the RuZZian people stand up against their corrupt government.



    Quit being a goddamn slave.

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    It's a poor essay because you are trying a straw man argument, who said resisting Russian aggression is a bad thing? Obviously I want Russia to lose in the Ukraine I just don't cheerfully shout YAAAS! when posting Rupert Murdoch videos of conscripts being killed like it's a sportball game.

    Just sayin what with you being so perfect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I agree a bit callous and that the conscripts are largely the product of an overall brutal system that cares little for them. They're even being shot if severally wounded by their own commanders. But it's hard to have to much sympathy for them with the bevy of murders, looting, and rape coming out of the occupied areas of the Ukraine.
    Sometimes war atrocities are escalated in propaganda but it happens in a war zone. People become their worst. The Russian soldiers went on a rape pillage during World War II. You definitely wanted to be liberated by the British or Americans if you were a woman. War is hell. Best avoided if possible because is has long lasting scars. The Ukraine situation is complicated. There’s some bad factions taking advantage of the situation and maybe they even helped create it. Sure Putin is out for Putin and he runs Russia like a dictatorship but Ukraine had a color revolution in 2014 and there are some nasty characters there as well. Maybe the Ukraine will end up getting broken up in the end. Poland wants part of it. Moldova wants part of it and Russia might end up with the east part. The Ukraine is contested territory with ports, great agriculture land and raw resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    It's a poor essay because you are trying a straw man argument, who said resisting Russian aggression is a bad thing? Obviously I want Russia to lose in the Ukraine I just don't cheerfully shout YAAAS! when posting Rupert Murdoch videos of conscripts being killed like it's a sportball game.

    Just sayin what with you being so perfect...
    They're not all conscripts. The atrocities and summary executions committed in Bucha were by "elite" Russian paratroops that are "contract professionals". While I'm sure it's not easy, theoretically under law these men can "quit" because they are not officially at war and are deployed in a "special military operation"...
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    The reality is many Ukrainians were working in Russia because their economy there is better. The Ukraine is a mix. The western Ukraine has a long, deep set hate of Russians. The eastern Ukraine is ethnic Russians. Usually if borders follow ethnic lines you have less conflict. The Middle East became a mess because the British just made borders on a map with no regard to ethnic or tribal loyalties. Israel would be less contested if it never became a Jewish state. But the people who play the big game sometimes create these problems on purpose. They finance the wars. War is a racket and if you make the loans. Hey! Hey! Hey!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Sometimes war atrocities are escalated in propaganda but it happens in a war zone. People become their worst. The Russian soldiers went on a rape pillage during World War II. You definitely wanted to be liberated by the British or Americans if you were a woman. War is hell. Best avoided if possible because is has long lasting scars.
    It's called dehumanization, when conspiracy and complete crap statements that are nothing more than bold faced lies are normalized, it's easy to say all the Ukrainians are nazis that therefore it's okay if we murder, rape, and steal from them. The Soviet Red Army in WWII did indeed commit mass rapes but it's a bit easier to understand after the hell they endured under Nazi German occupation. There were instances of US Amry units early on in North Africa "losing all control" and raping and looting by the wayside, though on a vastly smaller scale than the Red Army's Westward drive. French colonial forces like the Moroccan Goumiers raped their way across parts of Italy with their French officers approving. They were only stopped when on the verge of fighting US and British troops who threatened to call artillery on them...

    The Ukraine situation is complicated. There’s some bad factions taking advantage of the situation and maybe they even helped create it. Sure Putin is out for Putin and he runs Russia like a dictatorship but Ukraine had a color revolution in 2014 and there are some nasty characters there as well. Maybe the Ukraine will end up getting broken up in the end. Poland wants part of it. Moldova wants part of it and Russia might end up with the east part. The Ukraine is contested territory with ports, great agriculture land and raw resources.
    The difference is that in the Ukraine they've had relatively free and fair elections (Putin's real terror). There were "nasty elements" as in every country/army, but the Ukrainian far rightists received about 5% of the vote in 2019. So the Nazi stuff is complete bullshit. The real Nazis are the Russian Wagner mercenaries and there are far more exttemist fascists in the Russian Orc forces...

    Moldavia? Really? They want the Transnistria back and the Polish stuff is more Putin bullshit to legitimize his mass murder..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The reality is many Ukrainians were working in Russia because their economy there is better. The Ukraine is a mix. The western Ukraine has a long, deep set hate of Russians. The eastern Ukraine is ethnic Russians. Usually if borders follow ethnic lines you have less conflict. The Middle East became a mess because the British just made borders on a map with no regard to ethnic or tribal loyalties. Israel would be less contested if it never became a Jewish state. But the people who play the big game sometimes create these problems on purpose. They finance the wars. War is a racket and if you make the loans. Hey! Hey! Hey!
    Every statistic shows that the vast majority of people that fled the Russian proxy controlled Donbas were younger people and the ones that stayed were the old. And the Russian gov't managed to completely unite Ukrainians as even the vast majority of Russophones now hate Russia. The arbitrary map thing is bullshit as the reason why there are so many Russophone Ukrainians is through the long tradition of "planting" Russian in the Ukraine while displacing the local populace in things like the Holodomor..
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    I do think there are some deep grained cultural differences at work somewhere. Going back to WW2 I find it difficult to imagine any circumstances where US, UK, Canadian or Australian troops could ever be involved in the systematic and repeated rape of 1.8 million females from children to elderly women. Maybe I'm being naive but I think there is a different mindset at least in their approach to warfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Obviously I want Russia to lose in the Ukraine I just don't cheerfully shout YAAAS!
    Why not? The Ukrainians themselves seem to enjoy it so why not you? Oh right, you're a slave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    I do think there are some deep grained cultural differences at work somewhere. Going back to WW2 I find it difficult to imagine any circumstances where US, UK, Canadian or Australian troops could ever be involved in the systematic and repeated rape of 1.8 million females from children to elderly women. Maybe I'm being naive but I think there is a different mindset at least in their approach to warfare.
    I think the leadership has a lot to do with it. The Soviet leadership didn’t care or encouraged it. Eisenhower or his field leaders weren’t saying rape the women and if they found out that was going on there would be punishment.

    I’ve heard several Germans who were kids at the time say the American soldiers were really nice to them during the liberation and occupation. It was good to hear.

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