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    Uh oh.... looks like Pooty lost Winnie the Xi Jin-Pooh

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    ‘Don’t see why not’: China envoy on backing Ukraine’s ’91 borders
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    Brussels, Belgium – China’s envoy to the European Union has suggested that Beijing could back Ukraine’s aims of reclaiming its 1991 territorial integrity, which includes Crimea – the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.

    In a recent interview with Al Jazeera and two other media outlets, when Fu Cong was asked about supporting Kyiv’s goals, which includes reclaiming other Ukrainian regions now occupied by Russia, the senior Chinese diplomat said: “I don’t see why not.

    “We respect the territorial integrity of all countries. So when China established relations with the former Soviet Union, that’s what we agreed. But as I said, these are historical issues that need to be negotiated and resolved by Russia and Ukraine and that is what we stand for.”

    The Chinese ambassador’s comments followed the 2023 Europe-China Business Summit in Brussels on June 16.

    In an interview with the New York Times in April, Fu said that Beijing did not recognize Moscow’s efforts to annex Ukrainian territories including Crimea and the Donbas.

    Since Ukraine gained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and backed separatist uprisings in parts of Luhansk and Donetsk, which are in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.

    Although Russia has claimed the peninsula and has extended its occupation in the Donbas, Western powers do not recognize Moscow’s moves.

    Besides Fu, Chinese leaders generally refrain from making public comments on Russia’s annexation of Ukrainian territories.

    When a United Nations referendum on recognizing Crimea’s annexation was held in 2014, China abstained from voting and Liu Jieyi, China’s envoy to the UN at the time said: “China has always opposed intervention in the internal affairs of states and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries”- a stance the Chinese foreign ministry reiterated in a statement in April.


    Catch up on our coverage of the region, all in one place.

    China has not officially condemned the Kremlin for invading Ukraine in February 2022 and after Russian mercenary fighters threatened a large-scale rebellion in Moscow over the weekend, China’s alliance with Vladimir Putin remains strong.

    “As Russia’s friendly neighbour and comprehensive strategic partner of coordination for the new era, China supports Russia in maintaining national stability and achieving development and prosperity,” China’s foreign ministry said in a statement on Monday, downplaying the unexpected mutiny led by Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin as an “internal affair.”

    Ambassador Fu defended China’s position on Ukraine, saying it “has been very clear”.

    “We advocate peace and we believe that it is important to achieve peace as soon as possible by resolving differences on the negotiating table,” he said.

    In February, Beijing released a 12-point proposal aimed at finding a “political settlement” to end the war. As part of these efforts, China sent ambassador Li Hui to Kyiv, Moscow and other European countries last month.

    But Beijing’s renewed “no-limits” partnership with Moscow and its position on Russia’s war in Ukraine have seen China’s ties with the EU cool to a frost.

    Last week, as Chinese Premier Li Qiang visited Europe for the first time since he took office, EU leaders urged him to get tough on Moscow.

    The Baltic nations and Poland are particularly frustrated with China, and back imposing sanctions against Beijing and reducing economic dependencies.

    In March, before a trip to China, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the bloc should focus on “de-risking” with China, rather than “de-coupling”.

    Fu told Al Jazeera that while China understands the EU’s ambitions for a resilient supply chain, the bloc “should not conflate economic security with national security, making it hurt free trade”.

    “De-risking should not become de-coupling in another name. The recent developments in the EU over Huawei and ZTE have been concerning,” Fu said, referring to the European Commission’s proposal to ban Huawei and ZTE from 5G networks earlier this month.

    “There is no evidence that they are harming cybersecurity and in our view, these baseless accusations go against the spirit of fair play and fair competition, which actually Europe claims to be the champion,” Fu added.

    Besides bans, last week, the EU targeted Chinese entities which are allegedly supporting “Russia’s military and industrial complex in its war of aggression against Ukraine” in an eleventh sanctions package against Moscow.

    Prior to the announcement of more sanctions, Fu said China has not committed to stopping companies from helping Russia, but he hoped through “dialogue, misunderstandings could be resolved”.

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    of course, this is China, so when they talk about the "territorial integrity of all nations" that's probably code for "yeah, we're going to take Taiwan back, so get the fuck out of our way"
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    Russian Kerch Bridge to occupied Crimea was attacked again, smoke rises and billows despite the Russians 100% intercept success rate...

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    Ukrainian Counterintelligence destroyed a Russian BMPT "Terminator" 'tank-support vehicle'. They are rare and expensive and apparently don't work all that well:
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    This is fucking great. Shit band = total shit show



    "I'm not your bother...?"

    Fuck off.

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    It's the rest of the band I always feel sorry for when a singer pulls a dumb fuck maneuver like this.

    He's fucking 42 years old at this point...

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    He's a Mormon, so he believes we're all literally "brothers" as spirit children of Elohim, Our Heavenly Father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    It's the rest of the band I always feel sorry for when a singer pulls a dumb fuck maneuver like this.

    He's fucking 42 years old at this point...
    It's not just the Soviet thing and Ukraine War...

    And if he ever read or watched news he's old enough to know about the Russian invasion and occupation of Ossetia in the late 2000's. I know he's a musician and maybe that's not his thing but you are playing in other countries so maybe read a fucking summary or something...

    I think a lot of Russian men fled there to evade the draft and there was already a minority of Russian speakers ethnic Georgians fear as fifth-columnists...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    It's not just the Soviet thing and Ukraine War...

    And if he ever read or watched news he's old enough to know about the Russian invasion and occupation of Ossetia in the late 2000's. I know he's a musician and maybe that's not his thing but you are playing in other countries so maybe read a fucking summary or something...
    Many Georgians remember 2008 all too well when Putin invaded their country. Now it's more than obvious that this dispshit of a band are whores for their corporate label (island) and that their audience consist mainly of other dispshits who graduated high school between 2008 and 2015 who think a stupid band with a stupid name really speaks to them. So you can easily guess history and the knowledge of history is not big on their corporate agenda. This not just a fuck-up where you invite an audience member on stage who cannot play an instrument worth a shit (See: U2) this is flat out ignorance and for that singer dipshit to causally mention he is from America also shows his arrogance. What, does he want a cookie or something? The audience took this personally and they had every right to yet the band remain clueless and tries to sell their Commie "can't we all just get along" nonsense.


    I hope they die.

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    On the other hand, The Killers are still around? They should be playing casinos in the state of Georgia, not venues in the nation of Georgia LOL...

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    Yeah they are literally playing casinos in the US next month.

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    Wagner Leader Prigozhin in Plane Crash?

    As Elvis would say, HMmmmmmmm....

    Private jet crash in Russia kills 10. Wagner chief Prigozhin was on passenger list
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    FILE - Russian businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin is shown prior to a meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping in the Kremlin in Moscow, Russia, on July 4, 2017. A business jet en route from Moscow to St. Petersburg crashed Wednesday Aug. 23, 2023, killing all ten people on board, Russian emergency officials said. Mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin was on the passenger list, officials said, but it wasn't immediately clear if he was on board. (Sergei Ilnitsky/Pool via AP, File) (ASSOCIATED PRESS)More
    MOSCOW (AP) — A private jet crashed in Russia on Wednesday, killing all 10 people aboard, emergency officials said. Mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin was on the passenger list, but it wasn't immediately clear if he was on board.

    Prigozhin’s fate has been the subject of intense speculation ever since he mounted a short-lived mutiny against Russia’s military leadership in late June. The Kremlin said the founder of the Wagner private military company, which fought alongside Russia’s regular army in Ukraine, would be exiled to Belarus.

    But the mercenary chief has since reportedly popped up in Russia, leading to further questions about his future.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/business-...172033083.html

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    CNBC is saying he's listed as 200, or dead...

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    Last I heard of him he Prigozhin was in Africa doing Putin's bidding by slaughtering the poor and defenseless for more Kremlin puppet governments. If this fucker truly is dead, it's going to be a great day.

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    Should we ask Pooty to take out EriKKK Prince of BlacKKKwater, while he's at it?

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    Some speculation from the Ukraine is that the Eraser (Lear type) jet was shot down by Russian air defenses rather than a bomb or accident...

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    Surely everyone ruled out accident immediately.

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    https://t.me/pilotblog/6207

    Is that you, Priggy?

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    Well, Putin is finally actually de-nazifying things, like the founder of Wagner Group:

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    In Russia, A.I. is honest...

    Russian authorities banned the access to Google and MS AI chats and searches in favor of a more patriotic and nationalist one. The results did not go as planned and searches of the AI led to almost ironic pictures like below. Search terms like "Ukrainian nazis" generated a picture of a beautiful Ukrainian girl in period regalia that had been abused but staunchly looks defiant and proud.


    The seco0nd picture is what was generated when search terms either "Z-nation or Z-Russia" was entered - showing a zombie in a respirator fittingly:


    https://voi.id/en/technology/275541
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Well, Putin is finally actually de-nazifying things, like the founder of Wagner Group:
    I mean you have these people named after Hitler's favorite composer with SS tattoos invading a country with a Jewish president and there are people on the planet so fucking dumb they think these were the good guys fighting fascism?

    Sean fucking Hannity on Fox included. It's disgusting.

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    Fucking Ruscist pig describes torture and war crimes to his cunt mother on intercepted call, then are identified!:

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    Russians and their high tank losses:


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    80 tanks - in one day.

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    Putin's real death toll of his "meat":


    The current Western intelligence believes Russia has lost 120,000 dead and 180,000 wounded. That's a horrifying statistic not just because of the total number but the casualty ratio of 1:1.5 dead to wounded is almost a medieval number showing the Russian gov't gives no shits about their wounded and seems to have a policy about leaving behind dead and wounded so they are MIA and no payments/benefits have to be made to the family, or are at least deferred. Modern combat models should be about 1:3 dead-to-wounded IIRC with modern battlefield medicine, probably better...
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    US will send Ukraine ATACMS long-range missiles, Biden tells Zelenskiy -NBC

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    Kyiv has repeatedly asked the Biden administration for Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to help attack and disrupt supply lines, air bases and rail networks in Russian occupied territory.

    But the White House did not disclose any decision on ATACMS when Zelenskiy visited Washington on Thursday for talks with Biden, even as it announced a new $325 million military aid package for Kyiv.

    The Pentagon did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Reuters.

    Reuters had previously reported the Biden administration was considering shipping ATACMS to Ukraine that can fly up to 190 miles (306 km).

    ATACMS are designed for "deep attack of enemy second-echelon forces," a U.S. Army website says, and could be used to attack command and control centers, air defenses and logistics sites well behind the front line...


    REUTERS LINK

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    No peace talks until after the US election because of Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    The current Western intelligence believes Russia has lost 120,000 dead and 180,000 wounded. That's a horrifying statistic not just because of the total number but the casualty ratio of 1:1.5 dead to wounded is almost a medieval number showing the Russian gov't gives no shits about their wounded and seems to have a policy about leaving behind dead and wounded so they are MIA and no payments/benefits have to be made to the family, or are at least deferred. Modern combat models should be about 1:3 dead-to-wounded IIRC with modern battlefield medicine, probably better...
    Way better in the West, for example it was closer to 1 dead for every 10 wounded in Afghanistan so I think that means if the US/UK were fighting if they had casualties like the Russians we would have 'only' 30 000 dead rather than 120 000 just because of better medics. If Sarge was around he would be able to tell you that that there have been incredible improvements in the last 20 years in gunshot/battlefield medicine.

    I was listening to a documentary going through the autopsies listing all the assassinated US presidents that would survive now which is most of them. Even Robert Kennedy who was shot in the head at close range would probably survive nowadays although a bit fucked up.

    So that's Russia lost twice as many people in the Ukraine in 18 months than the US lost in 10 years in Vietnam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Way better in the West, for example it was closer to 1 dead for every 10 wounded in Afghanistan so I think that means if the US/UK were fighting if they had casualties like the Russians we would have 'only' 30 000 dead rather than 120 000 just because of better medics. If Sarge was around he would be able to tell you that that there have been incredible improvements in the last 20 years in gunshot/battlefield medicine.

    I was listening to a documentary going through the autopsies listing all the assassinated US presidents that would survive now which is most of them. Even Robert Kennedy who was shot in the head at close range would probably survive nowadays although a bit fucked up.

    So that's Russia lost twice as many people in the Ukraine in 18 months than the US lost in 10 years in Vietnam?
    All true. To be fair though, in a high intensity near-peer fight, casualties would be higher and the death-to-wounded-ratio would be lower than 10:1 without air superiority (or supremacy) and an enemy possessing a lot or artillery, SAM's, and armor...

    The est. of Russian dead is likely low and may be as high as near 300K. In any case in 'Nam the US lost 58,220 dead (KIA) between 1957-1975 IIRC with the bulk between 1965-1971. There were over 153,000 WIA but you can double that to over 300,000 when wounds not requiring hospitalization are included...

    So yeah, the Russians are fucking twisted and ruining their next 50 years in this war. I mean if they told us in Basic Training that we needed to get tampons from our mothers, wives, or girlfriends to treat our battlefield wounds I'd of fucking deserted!...

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    I think absolute proof that Ukrainians are killing Russians at much higher ratios even though they're mostly on the offensive and are supposed to traditionally suffer more casualties than the defender is in the Oryx estimate of destroyed vehicles and equipment. They count destroyed stuff using satellite and other open source material and routinely show that the Russians lose two pieces of tanks, IFV's, APC's, SPG's (AFV's in general) and everything else for one Ukrainian loss. Usually it's more like 3:1 or even 4:1 in favor of the Ukrainian Defense Forces...

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    That's always been the Russian way though.

    Their great victory at Kursk that they always glorify they outnumbered the attacking Germans 3 to 1, they were on home soil with the German supply lines going back thousands of miles and they still lost twice as many as the Germans and 4 or 5 times as many tanks.

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    The difference is that back then they had the birthrate to sustain it, now not so much...

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    The Mother of all Decapitation Strikes! Ukraine may have used UK Storm Shadow missiles to destroy the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol, probably killing the lead admiral and possibly causing over 100 casualties of other senior officers of the Russian military and intelligence...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    The Mother of all Decapitation Strikes! Ukraine may have used UK Storm Shadow missiles to destroy the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol, probably killing the lead admiral and possibly causing over 100 casualties of other senior officers of the Russian military and intelligence...
    Can you remember a war in modern times where one side lost so many senior military?

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    No. Not even close. Generals and admirals die but not that this level of attrition. Part of the issue is that , the Russians use officers to manage everything unlike say, the US or UK (NATO) armies that have a professional NCO corp that take initiative when the officers are killed or are incompetent. In short Russian senior commanders have to get close to the action to drive home their objectives. And of course in the occupied Ukraine they have HUMINT intelligence assets honing the targeting of senior Russian commanders in addition to everything else like drones and SIGNIT...

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    Hmm I think that there was maybe some propaganda exaggerating the scale of that attack.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...fficers-killed

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    Hmm I think that there was maybe some propaganda exaggerating the scale of that attack.

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    Maybe, but the video was inclusive as to when it was shot. He also said nothing in it...

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    Ukrainian armored officer has issues with captured Russian T-72B3 so he calls Tech Support at a Russian factory...

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