"Tribute" Tour with Dave, Al and Satch

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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35155

    Originally posted by Nitro Express
    What really killed music was the loss of locally owned radio stations. Every radio station had it’s own personality and the DJ’s were local celebrities themselves. A lot of bands got broke by these guys. The Police were nobodies in the states and they played a small club in Syracuse where they were seen by a Boston DJ there visiting family. They got massive airplay in Boston because of him and that broke them into the bigger music scene.

    That’s gone. The more major clubs want you to pay them to play. Not even the mob who owned the clubs in the old days pulled that kind of shit.
    That's a bit glass half empty though. Bands nowadays can make a multi track single or album and release it themselves internationally on all the streaming platforms for pocket money. They can then use their phones to make a video for a single, edit it with free software and put that out there and publicize it on social media all again for no cash. Back in the day that would have cost at least $100k.

    On the pay to play front it depends what you mean, here the model is often effectively the band becomes the promoter so in the same way that missing out the record company taking 80/90% like in the 'good old days, there is no promoter to pay.

    A typical gig we would play would be you pay the club $100-$200 for that they provide PA and sound guy keep the bar takings but the bands get the door money. I then find a couple of young support bands give them 25 tickets each to sell at $8 a time (or less if they want) from which they pay me $4 for any they sell. If they sell none fine. Another $30 for someone to sit at the door taking tickets and cash for people who just turn up and $80 for a van to move the backline and drums.

    So my outgoings are $210. Worst case scenario the two support bands only sell 10 tickets each they still get paid $40 each and my break even is for us to sell just a further 20. Last gig we made a few hundred and the support bands were happy with $60 or $70 each. No one is doing it for the money anyway but it's not pay to play really. If three bands can't find 40 people to come to a gig locally then maybe a 3rd part\y promoter doesn't deserve to be out of pocket.

    Small niche bands touring is more complicated and difficult but it is doable because there are still promoters out there willing to take a punt, As far as I can make out most of those bands playing at the 100 people a night rely on merch - mainly $20 vinyl to get by.
    Last edited by Seshmeister; 09-05-2022, 06:39 AM.

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49125

      Originally posted by Nitro Express
      The 90’s were some lame shit. Put society into a nose dive we never pulled out of. Grohl has become another Sammy Hagar. He won’t go away.
      Come on dude, Grohl is no Clichegar. I dunno but if I had to guess Grohl probably can't stand to be around Hagar for more than a few moments and that Sammy would be the one to try to be a tick on Dave's ballsack and bring up collaborating. Whatever you want to say about Grohl be has more taste than that and probably despises Sam and the Guy Fieri doucher types along the lines of a Bourdain disdain for them..

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49125

        "Punk". "Corporate rock". FFS which band signed to a major label ISN'T corporate rock? Again I ain't standing in line to buy a Green Day box set, but were somehow the Sex Pistols less corporate and more legit? Nineties ca$h-grab anyone? The only band of that era that had a major radio-anthem that wasn't really corporate were these guys:

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        • ZahZoo
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Jan 2004
          • 8961

          Wolfgang at the Taylor Hawkins tribute... Impressive!

          "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58755

            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
            Come on dude, Grohl is no Clichegar. I dunno but if I had to guess Grohl probably can't stand to be around Hagar for more than a few moments and that Sammy would be the one to try to be a tick on Dave's ballsack and bring up collaborating. Whatever you want to say about Grohl be has more taste than that and probably despises Sam and the Guy Fieri doucher types along the lines of a Bourdain disdain for them..
            Are we sure that Sammy Hagar and Guy Fieri aren't the same person??
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

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            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49125

              Originally posted by FORD
              Are we sure that Sammy Hagar and Guy Fieri aren't the same person??

              It's verified they've been seen in the same room together (sucking all of the oxygen and life out of it)....

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32798

                Originally posted by Seshmeister
                That's a bit glass half empty though. Bands nowadays can make a multi track single or album and release it themselves internationally on all the streaming platforms for pocket money. They can then use their phones to make a video for a single, edit it with free software and put that out there and publicize it on social media all again for no cash. Back in the day that would have cost at least $100k.

                On the pay to play front it depends what you mean, here the model is often effectively the band becomes the promoter so in the same way that missing out the record company taking 80/90% like in the 'good old days, there is no promoter to pay.

                A typical gig we would play would be you pay the club $100-$200 for that they provide PA and sound guy keep the bar takings but the bands get the door money. I then find a couple of young support bands give them 25 tickets each to sell at $8 a time (or less if they want) from which they pay me $4 for any they sell. If they sell none fine. Another $30 for someone to sit at the door taking tickets and cash for people who just turn up and $80 for a van to move the backline and drums.

                So my outgoings are $210. Worst case scenario the two support bands only sell 10 tickets each they still get paid $40 each and my break even is for us to sell just a further 20. Last gig we made a few hundred and the support bands were happy with $60 or $70 each. No one is doing it for the money anyway but it's not pay to play really. If three bands can't find 40 people to come to a gig locally then maybe a 3rd part\y promoter doesn't deserve to be out of pocket.

                Small niche bands touring is more complicated and difficult but it is doable because there are still promoters out there willing to take a punt, As far as I can make out most of those bands playing at the 100 people a night rely on merch - mainly $20 vinyl to get by.
                Yeah you can make music and videos cheap and throw it in a ocean of videos and music. You have to have marketing and promotion and that takes lots of $$$$$. Without it you remain a small act.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32798

                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh

                  It's verified they've been seen in the same room together (sucking all of the oxygen and life out of it)....
                  They look like amature proctologists. They probably practice on each other.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • Terry
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 11957

                    Originally posted by FORD
                    Well they could always play Cheap Trick covers instead....

                    Nope, not even gonna click on the link and listen. Thanks anyway.
                    Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                    • Terry
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 11957

                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      "Punk". "Corporate rock". FFS which band signed to a major label ISN'T corporate rock? Again I ain't standing in line to buy a Green Day box set, but were somehow the Sex Pistols less corporate and more legit? Nineties ca$h-grab anyone? The only band of that era that had a major radio-anthem that wasn't really corporate were these guys:
                      Whatever, Corporate Punk lover.

                      Gibby thinks you suck, anyway ; )
                      Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                      • Terry
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 11957

                        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                        Come on dude, Grohl is no Clichegar. I dunno but if I had to guess Grohl probably can't stand to be around Hagar for more than a few moments and that Sammy would be the one to try to be a tick on Dave's ballsack and bring up collaborating. Whatever you want to say about Grohl be has more taste than that and probably despises Sam and the Guy Fieri doucher types along the lines of a Bourdain disdain for them..
                        Grohl has trolled for celeb rockstar praise from whomever would give it to him for so long: he'd take it from Hagar, too. Afterward, Grohl would doubtless tweet that he never had a problem with Van Halen when Sammy was in it. All part of his likeable rock star brand.

                        "Hey, I'm Dave Grohl, and I liked what Van Halen did with Sammy. Plus, I was the backbone of Nirvana."

                        Hey, there's Ed's kid playing an old Van Halen song onstage with Dave Grohl. Remember Van Halen? Because...remember?

                        Why not play a Mammoth tune or two instead? Remember Mammoth? The name Van Halen had before Dave named them Van Halen? Because...remember?
                        Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                        • Terry
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 11957

                          I'm just being a cunt about all of it.

                          If people like Dave Grohl, Green Day and Wolfgang Van Halen, it isn't for me to say they shouldn't.
                          Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32798

                            We probably wouldn’t know about any of these bands if a corporation didn’t discover them and promote them, distribute their music and finance their tours. The key was to not taint the music with marketing strategies. You have to disguise your strategies and make Joe public think it’s all organic. I’ve heard over and over the biggest problem is the bands themselves. You aren’t talking about dealing with the most stable people and they self-destruct. So I guess the let’s ride the bull for four years before it bucks us reality came from that.

                            Anyways there has to be something desirable in all this to make people want to do it. I know what that used to be. I’m not so sure what it is now. As much as the big labels ripped people off they still wanted that big break. It meant from traveling in a van to something better and more spoils and the ego trip you made it. Sure playing music is fine but like a pirate you want some spoils.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Nitro Express
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 32798

                              I was talking to someone who still manages in the music business and he said the music business is bigger business than it ever has been and the trend today is to see how many likes and followers an act get on social media. I think that’s pretty lame. It used to be more focused on whether the music itself moved the talent scout. So in a way, the internet might being ruining music and not helping it. Music is about moving people. It’s like sex. The best music scouts ran on instinct, they knew talent when they saw it and heard it. Social media is too fake and too controlled to be a good gauge of art.
                              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                              • Nickdfresh
                                SUPER MODERATOR

                                • Oct 2004
                                • 49125

                                Originally posted by Kristy
                                Was that the douche snot in the Bowie glam rock space suit with the shit hair, tattoos, and porn stache?
                                Justin Hawkins (no relation as he's British), lead singer of The Darkness. He's a decent singer but his voice clearly doesn't lend itself to CVH....
                                Last edited by Nickdfresh; 09-05-2022, 03:15 PM.

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