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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    He's not overweight he's just under tall. If he was 8 feet tall he would be slim.

    Fuck the fat shaming thing, he is trying to work as a rock star and the job requisite for that is not fat as fuck.

    I don't make the rules. It's also a shame that people with one leg are discriminated against in the world of professional golf but most of them are not self inflicted or multi millionaires already so boo fucking hoo.

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    If he wants to work in the industry and has clearly inherited the addictive personality of his parents it's fine and totally manageable he just needs to swap the food addiction for something else like booze or cocaine. They will kill him around the same age but he will look better doing it.

    He'll still live a better life and have more fun life than 99% of us so it's all good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    He's not overweight he's just under tall. If he was 8 feet tall he would be slim.

    Fuck the fat shaming thing, he is trying to work as a rock star and the job requisite for that is not fat as fuck.

    I don't make the rules. It's also a shame that people with one leg are discriminated against in the world of professional golf but most of them are not self inflicted or multi millionaires already so boo fucking hoo.
    I mean, I get all that. When people say that obesity is a 'glandular problem' or that obesity isn't a condition that others should pass judgement on, both of those attitudes I find silly and unrealistic, as is the notion that if a person is overweight it is 'beautiful' or whatnot.

    But when watching that clip, my reaction wasn't one of giggling or pointing and laughing at fatty. It was more along the lines of shaking my head at just how much this guy has let himself go physically, waddling around onstage. He looks like he is setting himself up for a premature heart attack or at the very least a serious case of diabetes the way he is going. Should either come to pass, doubtless like anybody else it ultimately comes down to personal responsibility and self-control. Never mind working as a rock star: he's, what, 30 years old? Easily 100 pounds overweight? THAT much over the scales isn't useful for anybody at any age in any occupation. I could stand to lose 20 lbs myself and having 20 years on him I'll tell you that I can feel the extra pounds, so that guy must be that much more uncomfortable.

    He'd be advised not to take up the habit his father had of smoking if he isn't gonna try and slim down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I mean, I get all that. When people say that obesity is a 'glandular problem' or that obesity isn't a condition that others should pass judgement on, both of those attitudes I find silly and unrealistic, as is the notion that if a person is overweight it is 'beautiful' or whatnot.

    But when watching that clip, my reaction wasn't one of giggling or pointing and laughing at fatty. It was more along the lines of shaking my head at just how much this guy has let himself go physically, waddling around onstage. He looks like he is setting himself up for a premature heart attack or at the very least a serious case of diabetes the way he is going. Should either come to pass, doubtless like anybody else it ultimately comes down to personal responsibility and self-control. Never mind working as a rock star: he's, what, 30 years old? Easily 100 pounds overweight? THAT much over the scales isn't useful for anybody at any age in any occupation. I could stand to lose 20 lbs myself and having 20 years on him I'll tell you that I can feel the extra pounds, so that guy must be that much more uncomfortable.

    He'd be advised not to take up the habit his father had of smoking if he isn't gonna try and slim down.
    Just saw the Hawkins tribute clip.

    Wolf played the CVH stuff pretty good but yeah I agree the dude is fat as fuck.

    He really needs to get his shit together and lose weight otherwise he will be done far sooner than his Dad was.

    And that other Hawkins…that faggot Justin Hawkins sucked trying to sing Dave’s songs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    And that other Hawkins…that faggot Justin Hawkins sucked trying to sing Dave’s songs.
    Was that the douche snot in the Bowie glam rock space suit with the shit hair, tattoos, and porn stache?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Was that the douche snot in the Bowie glam rock space suit with the shit hair, tattoos, and porn stache?
    Yup. That loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Just saw the Hawkins tribute clip.

    Wolf played the CVH stuff pretty good but yeah I agree the dude is fat as fuck.

    He really needs to get his shit together and lose weight otherwise he will be done far sooner than his Dad was.

    And that other Hawkins…that faggot Justin Hawkins sucked trying to sing Dave’s songs.
    He’s clearly got natural talent but he’s not serious enough about being an on stage performer to be great. If he was serious he would take better care of himself but his parents enabled his poor fitness and eating habits. You are right, diabetes and heart disease are going to take him early if he doesn’t change his lifestyle and unfortunately I’m afraid he’s too stubborn to make that huge change in his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Yup. That loser.
    Showbiz has gotten lame as fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I mean, I get all that. When people say that obesity is a 'glandular problem' or that obesity isn't a condition that others should pass judgement on, both of those attitudes I find silly and unrealistic, as is the notion that if a person is overweight it is 'beautiful' or whatnot.

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    He'd be advised not to take up the habit his father had of smoking if he isn't gonna try and slim down.
    Losing weight requires lot’s of discipline. The weight will eventually come off and you will eventually tone up but it requires a plan. You break it down into a daily regimen. If you follow that regimen you will end up where to want to be but you have to WANT it. Oh but I don’t want to live that way. Well all those great looking athletes, body builders and models live that way. It’s called discipline. Nothing worthwhile comes easy. The world just doesn’t work that way.

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    I thought of The Big Rock Show. A big fat dude noodling on a guitar.

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    Anyways everything starts with attitude and if your attitude sucks nothing else matters. You are fucked.

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    I could get Wolf looking great in a year. That means getting him to a healthy target weight and body toning. The first two weeks will be hell but after that the body gets used to being worked, the stomach gets used to less food, new habits start to form. The best thing to get a fat guy burning fat and building muscle with minimum impact to the body is swimming. There’s two pools at his dads old property. No excuse Wolf. Get swimming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silexxx View Post


    Wolfie just played guitar On Fire and Hot For Teacher at Taylor Hawkins tribute show. Around 1h 10min mark I think.
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    Catching up on all the hoopla from the Hawkins show. I don’t know why anybody expected a tribute like that for Ed. Classic VH was never buddy buddies with the music industry and the popular artists. Dave doesn’t have many music friends at all, it seems. Both he and Al seem to just want to let Ed Rest In Peace. This Hawkins thing is something Hagar would love-a public opportunity to tell everybody how heartbroken he is and make outward displays of affection and get the credit of being a “class act.” Of course, I don’t see this kinda thing as classy at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Showbiz has gotten lame as fuck.
    It really has.

    Especially rock band showbiz.

    Whatever one thought of Elvis Presley overall, his early performances had that element of subversive danger. "Oh my God, he's shaking his hips! In front of teenage girls!!"

    Or The Doors playing in Miami in 1969, with a drunken Morrison trying to incite a riot.

    Or those early Sex Pistols gigs in London.

    Or the Stones at Altamont.

    Or those early Ramones gigs at CBGB's. Or the Seattle scene before the "grunge" media hype label was affixed. Bands and audience alike mixing it up in small venues.

    Rock just became slowly corporatized, blandified and safe. No sense of danger. No sense of excitement. No sense of purpose other than everybody politely filing into a stadium and paying through the nose to participate in celebrity worship while the bands onstage churn out uninspired, notes-by-rote performances. THAT has been the case for 40 years: the only genre of music post-early 1980s that really consistently brought that sense of danger, excitement, creativity and urgency to the fore is rap music. Those 80's Satanic Metal bands were a lame joke. I mean, overall I prefer rock to rap, but I'm still gonna call it like I see it.

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    https://twitter.com/WolfVanHalen/sta...og0l16Zwg&s=19

    "Thank you for everything, Taylor.

    That was for you, and for Pop ❤️"

    Seems like Wolf had his tribute to Eddie.
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    There's a second Hawkins tribute in LA. Let's see if Wofgang plays something different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silexxx View Post
    https://twitter.com/WolfVanHalen/sta...og0l16Zwg&s=19

    "Thank you for everything, Taylor.

    That was for you, and for Pop ❤️"

    Seems like Wolf had his tribute to Eddie.

    Must be so nice to go through life not pay any doooooooos and thank your sugar daddy whenever you need a gig.

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    Great points and we can see the difference within VH itself. Classic VH had that attitude, that sense of danger. They defied convention and brought a signature spirit. With Fagar, it quickly became safe music made for popular consumption. Whatever sells. Lowest common denominator. It was made for children. Beyond the tangible differences, it had no purity anymore. Because that's who Sam is: he's a businessman. Not an artist. He wears the label of an artist but he is not one of them. You can get away with that and sell a few million records but after a couple years the luster washes away. Compared to the Real Van Halen which has aged like fine wine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    There's a second Hawkins tribute in LA. Let's see if Wofgang plays something different.


    I have to give it to Dave "Chronic Yellow Teeth" Grohl. He went to the bank on the death of Kurt so why stop that gravy train now? Maybe Roswell Records was about to go bankrupt from Dave putting out shitty album after shitty album for so many years. Either way, way to go, Dave. Nothing like exploiting the dead for personal profit is there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    It really has.

    Especially rock band showbiz.

    Whatever one thought of Elvis Presley overall, his early performances had that element of subversive danger. "Oh my God, he's shaking his hips! In front of teenage girls!!"

    Or The Doors playing in Miami in 1969, with a drunken Morrison trying to incite a riot.

    Or those early Sex Pistols gigs in London.

    Or the Stones at Altamont.

    Or those early Ramones gigs at CBGB's. Or the Seattle scene before the "grunge" media hype label was affixed. Bands and audience alike mixing it up in small venues.

    Rock just became slowly corporatized, blandified and safe. No sense of danger. No sense of excitement. No sense of purpose other than everybody politely filing into a stadium and paying through the nose to participate in celebrity worship while the bands onstage churn out uninspired, notes-by-rote performances. THAT has been the case for 40 years: the only genre of music post-early 1980s that really consistently brought that sense of danger, excitement, creativity and urgency to the fore is rap music. Those 80's Satanic Metal bands were a lame joke. I mean, overall I prefer rock to rap, but I'm still gonna call it like I see it.
    That last really cool thing that had any sort of vestige of rebellion was Billie Joe Armstrong melting down. I understand many here probably hate Green Day, but this is great:



    Unfortunately he had to apologize and say he had addiction issues after and went in to rehab...
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    I don't hate Green Day, but after growing up in the 80's and being told that Green Day is "punk"...yeah, right.

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    I'd say Green Day started out as "punk" but they went more towards "arena" rock when they started writing rock operas like "American Idiot". I liked that record myself, but I still think "Kerplunk" was the best album they ever did.

    I saw Green Day live at the Evergreen State College and at the North Shore Surf Club in Olympia before they signed with Reprise records and had any sort of national presence. And I saw them again at the Tacoma Dome on the American Idiot tour. All great shows, but to be honest, I liked them better in the smaller venue.

    Of course way back then, Billie Joe & Mike actually looked like the living embodiment of Bill & Ted....



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    Green Day = corporate punk for clueless suburbanites

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    It really has.

    Especially rock band showbiz.

    Whatever one thought of Elvis Presley overall, his early performances had that element of subversive danger. "Oh my God, he's shaking his hips! In front of teenage girls!!"

    Or The Doors playing in Miami in 1969, with a drunken Morrison trying to incite a riot.

    Or those early Sex Pistols gigs in London.

    Or the Stones at Altamont.

    Or those early Ramones gigs at CBGB's. Or the Seattle scene before the "grunge" media hype label was affixed. Bands and audience alike mixing it up in small venues.

    Rock just became slowly corporatized, blandified and safe. No sense of danger. No sense of excitement. No sense of purpose other than everybody politely filing into a stadium and paying through the nose to participate in celebrity worship while the bands onstage churn out uninspired, notes-by-rote performances. THAT has been the case for 40 years: the only genre of music post-early 1980s that really consistently brought that sense of danger, excitement, creativity and urgency to the fore is rap music. Those 80's Satanic Metal bands were a lame joke. I mean, overall I prefer rock to rap, but I'm still gonna call it like I see it.
    What really killed music was the loss of locally owned radio stations. Every radio station had it’s own personality and the DJ’s were local celebrities themselves. A lot of bands got broke by these guys. The Police were nobodies in the states and they played a small club in Syracuse where they were seen by a Boston DJ there visiting family. They got massive airplay in Boston because of him and that broke them into the bigger music scene.

    That’s gone. The more major clubs want you to pay them to play. Not even the mob who owned the clubs in the old days pulled that kind of shit. Also I don’t know if the younger generations are into bands like we were. Their thing is video games and we didn’t have smart phones. If you wanted to hang with people you physically had to go meet with them. Now it’s sit in the gaming chair and play games with your Buddy’s online.

    They have a lot more options to cure boredom than we did. Yeah younger people have talent, they can play but without the radio stations and that dynamic rock as we knew it is gone.

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    Also what’s the incentive and motivation to make the effort to form a band and play? What are the spoils now? The illusion of the big break is gone too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    That last really cool thing that had any sort of vestige of rebellion was Billie Joe Armstrong melting down. I understand many here probably hate Green Day, but this is great:



    Unfortunately he had to apologize and say he had addiction issues after and went in to rehab...
    He got drunk onstage and melted down, which is sort of rock and roll. Green Day were always Hot Topic shopping mall pop punk at best for me, but, yeah, for Green Day getting shitfaced and having a live freakout was SORT of cool...

    Then he immediately apologized and went into rehab, both of which are lame yet simultaneously fitting, because Green Day was always lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Also what’s the incentive and motivation to make the effort to form a band and play? What are the spoils now? The illusion of the big break is gone too.
    Yep. True dat, yo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Green Day = corporate punk for clueless suburbanites
    Someone somewhere described Foo Fighters as corporate bro rock, or Brah Rock. Or Dad Rock, a term Grohl embraces. I prefer Corporate Brah Rock. Meaningless piffle.

    But Grohl always came off as a bit of a slightly douchey hipster to me even as far back as Nirvana. I remember the interviews he'd do while in Nirvana, and he struck me exactly as one of those upper-class rich kids in the late 1980s who became a 'Deadhead' after the Touch Of Grey single got popular. Little Jimmy Yuppie wearing a tie die and blathering on about how Jerry 'The Fat Buddah' Garcia was Jesus on Earth, because that was the fashion. One always knew that Grohl was never going to fall into a downward spiral of despair and kill himself or retire after Nirvana was over out of a sense of sadness and shock. There he was shortly after Nirvana ended, playing drums for Tom Petty. Not even Tom Petty when he was putting out decent tunes, either, but lame mid-1990s Tom Petty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    I don't hate Green Day, but after growing up in the 80's and being told that Green Day is "punk"...yeah, right.
    I don't even know why that punk moniker was affixed to Green Day in the first place outside of the look of the band: their music had zero to do with punk from what I heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I don't even know why that punk moniker was affixed to Green Day in the first place outside of the look of the band: their music had zero to do with punk from what I heard.
    Depends on what you want to consider "punk". As far as California punk bands go, they had much more in common with The Dickies than they did the Dead Kennedys or Black Flag. Compared with punk bands from elsewhere, they were closer to the Ramones than the Pistols or the Clash.

    In reality, all these labels like "punk" or "grunge" or "alternative" are media creations anyway. If you think a band makes decent music, buy their records, if you think they suck, buy other records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    He got drunk onstage and melted down, which is sort of rock and roll. Green Day were always Hot Topic shopping mall pop punk at best for me, but, yeah, for Green Day getting shitfaced and having a live freakout was SORT of cool...

    Then he immediately apologized and went into rehab, both of which are lame yet simultaneously fitting, because Green Day was always lame.
    What’s so so punk about a band who’s name sounds like a golfing product or natural supplement? Crotch Crab Salad or Boink! are proper type of punk names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Someone somewhere described Foo Fighters as corporate bro rock, or Brah Rock. Or Dad Rock, a term Grohl embraces. I prefer Corporate Brah Rock. Meaningless piffle.

    But Grohl always came off as a bit of a slightly douchey hipster to me even as far back as Nirvana. I remember the interviews he'd do while in Nirvana, and he struck me exactly as one of those upper-class rich kids in the late 1980s who became a 'Deadhead' after the Touch Of Grey single got popular. Little Jimmy Yuppie wearing a tie die and blathering on about how Jerry 'The Fat Buddah' Garcia was Jesus on Earth, because that was the fashion. One always knew that Grohl was never going to fall into a downward spiral of despair and kill himself or retire after Nirvana was over out of a sense of sadness and shock. There he was shortly after Nirvana ended, playing drums for Tom Petty. Not even Tom Petty when he was putting out decent tunes, either, but lame mid-1990s Tom Petty.
    The 90’s were some lame shit. Put society into a nose dive we never pulled out of. Grohl has become another Sammy Hagar. He won’t go away.

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    I wouldn’t be surprised is Hagar and Grohl come out with a duet. It could be called Wet Dreams Between You and Me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    What’s so so punk about a band who’s name sounds like a golfing product or natural supplement? Crotch Crab Salad or Boink! are proper type of punk names.
    I'd go with Crotch Crab Salad, myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I wouldn’t be surprised is Hagar and Grohl come out with a duet. It could be called Wet Dreams Between You and Me!
    Hagar can babble his usual silliness for the verses like he always does, and Grohl can scream his usual silliness for the choruses like he always does.

    They can get Taylor Hawkins' kid and Jason Bonham to both lay down drum tracks. Wolfgang can finger tap some guitar licks, and Sean Lennon can produce it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Depends on what you want to consider "punk". As far as California punk bands go, they had much more in common with The Dickies than they did the Dead Kennedys or Black Flag. Compared with punk bands from elsewhere, they were closer to the Ramones than the Pistols or the Clash.

    In reality, all these labels like "punk" or "grunge" or "alternative" are media creations anyway. If you think a band makes decent music, buy their records, if you think they suck, buy other records.
    Can I think and do all that and still say Green Day suck my dry old man nutsack when they're not busy being punk posers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Hagar can babble his usual silliness for the verses like he always does, and Grohl can scream his usual silliness for the choruses like he always does.

    They can get Taylor Hawkins' kid and Jason Bonham to both lay down drum tracks. Wolfgang can finger tap some guitar licks, and Sean Lennon can produce it.
    It's coming but first Grohl will have to come out with his own line of chicken wing sauce, an energy drink tributed to his spastic dead drummer and his signature line of pubic hair shavers. Can't have pubes when Sammy is sucking your dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Can I think and do all that and still say Green Day suck my dry old man nutsack when they're not busy being punk posers?
    Well they could always play Cheap Trick covers instead....


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