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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Speaking of another six-pack reissue, apparently there is a new box set of them that is a Wal-Mart only exclusive.

    And get this.....something extra finally in them.....

    wait for it.....




    Vintage backstage passes (reproduced of course) from each tour!
    A worthless extra if ever there was one. They might as well throw in a copy of Tokyo Dome while they're at it. ; )

    Whatever. From the original vinyl pressings to cassette to the cds I bought in the 1990s, I figure paying for the 6-Pack three times over is enough for me.
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    "What? You haven't bought the 6-pack since the 1990s?! Dude, you need to get the remastered 2022 version with the ultra high def mix..."

    Fuck that nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Not VH, it's Warner Brothers.
    Yes it is. That’s why Warner Brothers almost got the police involved when Donn Landee refused to turn in the 1984 master tapes. He had gone a bit mad hanging out with Ed too much and probably doing drugs and he didn’t think the master tapes were mixed well enough and held onto them. Warner’s had a release deadline to meet and that music was their property. Not Donn’s, not Eddie’s or Van Halen’s. Ted Templeman managed to talk him out of them but Ted said poor Donn was ready for the nuthouse. Ironically Ted had his own breakdown later. Everyone was losing their marbles.
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    This really ain't such a bad song without a certain high pitched screech all over the top of it.....

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    Seriously, I really think this "dairy free" Van Hagar box set has potential. You reading this, Alex??

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    Maybe I'm crazy or just too high.... but this really could have been a decent song with the proper singer.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Speaking of another six-pack reissue, apparently there is a new box set of them that is a Wal-Mart only exclusive.

    And get this.....something extra finally in them.....

    wait for it.....




    Vintage backstage passes (reproduced of course) from each tour!
    And apparently.... they did a shitty job pressing the vinyl.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Seriously, I really think this "dairy free" Van Hagar box set has potential. You reading this, Alex??
    No. Alex doesnít give a flying fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    And apparently.... they did a shitty job pressing the vinyl.......

    I have all my original VH albums. I would make a tape copy off the LP and play the tape instead of the record so my LP’s are in great shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I have all my original VH albums. I would make a tape copy off the LP and play the tape instead of the record so my LP’s are in great shape.
    That was smart.

    I still have vinyl for WACF, DD and 1984, which I picked up maybe...15 years or so ago. New, but they were reissued vinyl, not vintage original vinyl.

    All my old cassettes shit the bed in the 1990s. The last one I had that I held onto was the BOV1 cassette, which had that RWTD version that had parts of the track sequenced differently than the original version. Eventually, that one wore out, too.

    I wish I had taken much better care of my vinyl and the 45's my mother, father and uncles/aunts had handed me down in the 1970s when I was a kid. My mother had given me all her Beatles 45s on Capitol that she had bought when they first came out in the early 1960s, along with her full-length Beatles albums. I played all of those to death on a shitty record player in the 1970s. Those things would be worth some good money today. I'd sell 'em today for that money, too (I can't remember the last time I listened to any Beatles music).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    That was smart.

    I still have vinyl for WACF, DD and 1984, which I picked up maybe...15 years or so ago. New, but they were reissued vinyl, not vintage original vinyl.

    All my old cassettes shit the bed in the 1990s. The last one I had that I held onto was the BOV1 cassette, which had that RWTD version that had parts of the track sequenced differently than the original version. Eventually, that one wore out, too.

    I wish I had taken much better care of my vinyl and the 45's my mother, father and uncles/aunts had handed me down in the 1970s when I was a kid. My mother had given me all her Beatles 45s on Capitol that she had bought when they first came out in the early 1960s, along with her full-length Beatles albums. I played all of those to death on a shitty record player in the 1970s. Those things would be worth some good money today. I'd sell 'em today for that money, too (I can't remember the last time I listened to any Beatles music).
    I have some classical LPís my dad bought in the Soviet Union. Those records are like 1/8 thick and perfectly flat and play great. They might be celluloid instead of vinyl but records in the late 70ís were not as good as the older ones. They were a bit warped. Not all vinyl is the same but I have the whole six pack on original vinyl and those were stored in a record case where no dust or anything would get on them. Of course when CDís came out I bought those and the LPís just stayed in that case for years untouched.

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    I can remember when The Beatles got a ton of air play on the radio. Obla-Di Obla-Da was always playing. In the 70’s there was nothing special about those records. We all had the shit record players. I played Bill Cosby’s Wonderfulness on mine. Now your records are collectible and Bill Cosby is a quaalude drugging perv.

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    I was not much of a Beatles fan. I liked The Rolling Stones better. I liked some of Paul McCartney’s solo stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Speaking of another six-pack reissue, apparently there is a new box set of them that is a Wal-Mart only exclusive.

    And get this.....something extra finally in them.....

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    Vintage backstage passes (reproduced of course) from each tour!
    After Ed's passing one of the early Sunset Studio interview videos had extensive talk of a box set put together with musical leftovers/alternate takes from the 6-pack era which I assume was recordings owned by WB from the 78-84 timeframe. It was all mastered and even had packaging/distribution laid out.

    For some unstated reason... the Van Halens would not approve the release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I have some classical LP’s my dad bought in the Soviet Union. Those records are like 1/8 thick and perfectly flat and play great. They might be celluloid instead of vinyl but records in the late 70’s were not as good as the older ones. They were a bit warped. Not all vinyl is the same but I have the whole six pack on original vinyl and those were stored in a record case where no dust or anything would get on them. Of course when CD’s came out I bought those and the LP’s just stayed in that case for years untouched.
    The 6 pack vinyl records I purchased between 1980 and 1984 were also played on a moderately priced record player, and subjected to being dropped on the floor along with scratching and such. Back in the mid-1980s, I don't recall there being a widespread market for perfectly preserved vinyl records, though doubtless some people collected them even back then. I basically stopped buying vinyl around 1986 or so; between then and the end of the 1980s most of what I bought was on cassette. Then in the early 1990s I started buying exclusively on cd, including updating older albums I had on vinyl.

    I don't think it was until the mid-1990s that I recall hearing about a market for original vinyl pressings of, say, those old Beatles Capitol records and such, where people were willing to pay $100 or more per title/album for mint quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    After Ed's passing one of the early Sunset Studio interview videos had extensive talk of a box set put together with musical leftovers/alternate takes from the 6-pack era which I assume was recordings owned by WB from the 78-84 timeframe. It was all mastered and even had packaging/distribution laid out.

    For some unstated reason... the Van Halens would not approve the release.
    I recall that. I can't remember offhand if the specifics of the extras of that proposed box set were disclosed, in terms of which song titles the musical leftovers/alternate takes would be.

    I can't even say that I'd bother purchasing/downloading a box set now even if it was loaded with extras. After all the money I've spent over the last 40 years on Van Halen-related stuff, fuck 'em: that stuff will eventually be uploaded online for free, and that's how I'll listen to it.

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    This was posted yesterday... not the interview I mentioned but it's new and this seemed like a decent place to drop it...


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    It struck me as interesting watching the interview above that for all the behind-the-scenes stuff I've read over the years the clip pics were literally the first time I've ever seen a picture of Donn Landee. I wouldn't claim to be the Ken Jennings of Van Halen trivia, but I thought I knew a fair amount of stuff. A similar experience to when I read Monk's book and read about the Van Halens and Roth paring down Mike Anthony's part of the split via a contract in 1984, in that I'd never heard about that, either.

    It looks like some of the clip pics that are labelled as the band recording in the studio in 1977 for the first album appear to have Dave's foot bandaged up. Some of those pics I have seen elsewhere as far back as the 1980s, and I was under the impression those pics were taken after Roth had broke his foot for the pic showing him doing the split that was printed on the backside of the Van Halen II cover and were of the band recording the Van Halen II album.

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    Something that always hits me about seeing pictures from the studio from back in the day is how young the producers look. Often those guys weren't that much older than the bands and had their biggest albums in their 30s.

    When you are a kid you think of the producer being some old fart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    This was posted yesterday... not the interview I mentioned but it's new and this seemed like a decent place to drop it...

    I think it was from the long Peggy Mac video they put up a few months ago. It was mostly about Prince but there was some VH talk in there.
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    Yeah she was there when some of the early VH stuff was recorded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    It struck me as interesting watching the interview above that for all the behind-the-scenes stuff I've read over the years the clip pics were literally the first time I've ever seen a picture of Donn Landee. I wouldn't claim to be the Ken Jennings of Van Halen trivia, but I thought I knew a fair amount of stuff. A similar experience to when I read Monk's book and read about the Van Halens and Roth paring down Mike Anthony's part of the split via a contract in 1984, in that I'd never heard about that, either.



    It looks like some of the clip pics that are labelled as the band recording in the studio in 1977 for the first album appear to have Dave's foot bandaged up. Some of those pics I have seen elsewhere as far back as the 1980s, and I was under the impression those pics were taken after Roth had broke his foot for the pic showing him doing the split that was printed on the backside of the Van Halen II cover and were of the band recording the Van Halen II album.
    Dave Bertinelli was telling me some 5150 stories like what a character Andy John’s was. He said Ed had bought all this used studio equipment for 5150. Donn Landee was up there for days installing it. Dave walked in the control room area and Donn had hundreds of wires all over the place and Dave said it was actually scary. He’s thinking how in the hell is that mess going to work? Well Donn being the mad scientist genius he was got it working and Dave said that was the stuff 1984 was recorded on.

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    The Van Halen’s were not nostalgic. They were into what the current thing they were into was. They were never concerned about what the fans wanted and why they got away with that attitude is they were cool enough and talented enough they sucked people into their world. They didn’t have to do all this market research and try and figure out what the fans wanted. They did their thing and the fans were addicted enough to them they could get away with doing things their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The Van Halen’s were not nostalgic. They were into what the current thing they were into was. They were never concerned about what the fans wanted and why they got away with that attitude is they were cool enough and talented enough they sucked people into their world. They didn’t have to do all this market research and try and figure out what the fans wanted. They did their thing and the fans were addicted enough to them they could get away with doing things their way.
    Calling bullshit on that one post-2000.

    Their last four tours were all exercises in nostalgia.

    Nothing wrong with it, because the bills have to get paid somehow (or, alternately, if Van Halen DIDN'T need the money, then why tour with Hagar and Roth and perform setlists consisting almost entirely of old music?). And don't give me "the band needed to keep touring to give Eddie something to do" because the three Van Halens could have went out and performed without Roth, or Hagar. Wouldn't have been headlining arenas, to be sure, but they could have.

    I can 100% buy what you said for the 1996 to 2000 period (and obviously the band basically did what they wanted from 1978 to 1996 as well). The Van Halens, for better or worse, did exactly what they wanted to do in those years. It wasn't the decision I wanted them to make, but one can't say it didn't take a certain amount of nerve and belief in themselves to not do an entire album with Roth and go out on the road after Hagar left in 1996. It was ultimately a stupid move, but it did take balls.

    Going back to Hagar in 2004 and then Dave in 2007? Neither of those moves took guts. Both of those moves were done out of necessity because post-Cherone those two singers were the only ones enough people to fill arenas would accept fronting the band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    The Van Halen’s were not nostalgic. They were into what the current thing they were into was. They were never concerned about what the fans wanted and why they got away with that attitude is they were cool enough and talented enough they sucked people into their world. They didn’t have to do all this market research and try and figure out what the fans wanted. They did their thing and the fans were addicted enough to them they could get away with doing things their way.
    To be perfectly blunt... they weren't smart enough to know what market research was or how to go about doing it. They were kids who barely graduated high school immersed in the 70's Southern California party scene... they were lucky and talented enough musically to find a way to make enough money to fuel their alcohol and drug use, get laid and never have to work a real job in their life... the lucky part made them millionaires... not their business smarts.

    "Their way"... was a short step up from being homeless street bums. Ed almost went full circle if look at him 2004-2006 for the shape and mental hole he dug himself into...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    To be perfectly blunt... they weren't smart enough to know what market research was or how to go about doing it. They were kids who barely graduated high school immersed in the 70's Southern California party scene... they were lucky and talented enough musically to find a way to make enough money to fuel their alcohol and drug use, get laid and never have to work a real job in their life... the lucky part made them millionaires... not their business smarts.

    "Their way"... was a short step up from being homeless street bums. Ed almost went full circle if look at him 2004-2006 for the shape and mental hole he dug himself into...
    Hell. They werenít even smart enough to know donít sign the first contract you are given.

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    We got to see the Side Show Bob Smoking Loon wino Ed for one simple reason. His family were so desperate to get him sober before he killed himself that they figured getting him out on a tour would force him to be responsible because Ed took his profession serious but at home he devolved into a fucked up bum. They used Wolfgang to bait Ed out on tour, luckily the kid could play and sing well enough to fill in for Mike. But it didn’t work. The public got to see what a total wreck the man became.

    The sad show would have been worth it if Ed smashed a guitar over Sam’s head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    To be perfectly blunt... they weren't smart enough to know what market research was or how to go about doing it. They were kids who barely graduated high school immersed in the 70's Southern California party scene... they were lucky and talented enough musically to find a way to make enough money to fuel their alcohol and drug use, get laid and never have to work a real job in their life... the lucky part made them millionaires... not their business smarts.

    "Their way"... was a short step up from being homeless street bums. Ed almost went full circle if look at him 2004-2006 for the shape and mental hole he dug himself into...
    All of that feels like it has far more than a mere ring of truth about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    We got to see the Side Show Bob Smoking Loon wino Ed for one simple reason. His family were so desperate to get him sober before he killed himself that they figured getting him out on a tour would force him to be responsible because Ed took his profession serious but at home he devolved into a fucked up bum. They used Wolfgang to bait Ed out on tour, luckily the kid could play and sing well enough to fill in for Mike. But it didn’t work. The public got to see what a total wreck the man became.

    The sad show would have been worth it if Ed smashed a guitar over Sam’s head.
    And outside of that guitar smashing incident - which was at...what, the last show of the tour if memory serves - that 2004 tour wasn't even a memorable train wreck.

    You look at the US Festival, where the band got a massive amount of money to perform a single show in front of 300,000 people, showed up drunk and managed to pull the gig off anyway. Even what happened post-US Fest until Dave left in 1985. The group weren't getting along, yet they still put out one of their biggest selling albums and followed that up with a lengthy tour that sold out wherever they went.

    Contrast that with 2004, where the group could barely manage to cobble together a few mediocre tracks for a greatest hits album and a tour that played to audiences which were half-full once the word of mouth got out how the band was underperforming.

    At least Roth went out of Van Halen on top, twice. Hagar went out of Van Halen the last time with a whimper.

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    Yeah I was at the US Festival and due to the size of it I couldn’t see what condition the band was in but Dave was obviously pretty wasted but after a few songs he kind of sobered up and by the end part of the show he was fine. Years later I watched the video and saw what I couldn’t see being there. Ha! Ha! They did have a video screen above the stage but it was a far cry from the screens they use now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Yeah I was at the US Festival and due to the size of it I couldn’t see what condition the band was in but Dave was obviously pretty wasted but after a few songs he kind of sobered up and by the end part of the show he was fine. Years later I watched the video and saw what I couldn’t see being there. Ha! Ha! They did have a video screen above the stage but it was a far cry from the screens they use now.
    The band were fine at the US Festival.

    A little fucked up, a few flubs here and there, but they pulled it off. They were still at an age back then when they could get a bit sloshed and still come up with the goods.

    Van Halen back then...their concerts were a party for the audience, anyway. I tend to doubt anybody in the audience then cared if it was 100% note perfect. I sure as heck didn't seeing them a year later, half in the bag myself on some low-grade homegrown weed and several belts of peppermint schnapps (hey, I was 14 years old: we took what we could get)

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    i haven't watched it in a long while but my memory of it is the reason they (well Dave) pulled it off did seem to be due to the ability of cocaine to sober up a drunk person quickly.

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    Doubtless some nose candy could have countered the booze.

    What would have been the point of being in Van Halen in 1983 if one couldn't get a few bumps of Bolivian Marching Powder for a boost onstage?

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    Seeing this article brought me back to the board to see what you all thought - I used to post here years ago under a long forgotten username (particularly around the time ADKOT came out/the subsequent tour).

    I've found myself wanting to pull for WVH over the years - I never would have had the chance to see DLR front Van Halen live without his efforts and I still rock out to ADKOT all of the time. Although a true reunion would have been preferable, it seems very likely that nothing would have happened without him. I'll always salute him for that. However, the way he portrays himself on social media / in the regular media has been a huge turnoff over the years. This article is just another example of that. Trolling the fans, whining, etc... It is personally difficult to stomach and makes it very unlikely I'll consider supporting his efforts going forward. I tried with his music and just can't get into it.

    On a more happy and hopeful note for the future - I've been playing Classic Van Halen for my 10-month old. She's been getting a steady diet of baby/kiddy songs from my wife/MIL . When I fired up Jump and Panama, she snapped to attention from playing with baby toys and watched the video/smiled throughout. She particularly responded to She's the Woman where she started laughing and bopping to the music. Very proud Dad moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Maybe I'm crazy or just too high.... but this really could have been a decent song with the proper singer.....

    Your post prompted me to listen through several of these last weekend. There are a few where it makes you wonder what could have been, although, I don't really like the guitar tone for reasons I can't explain (I'm no musician - Good Enough and 5150 are examples of that). I can't stand the way the instrumentation sounds on the OU812 and F.U.C.K. songs. Wish they had saved the instrumental for Humans Being for the 1996 "reunion" or for the ADKOT era, that track rips without you know who over top of it.

    Also briefly clicked through the instrumentals for Dreams, Feels So Good, and a few other keyboard songs. Man, those have not aged well and I could handle only about 30 seconds a pop. Bad even without SH's singing/lyrics. Hard to imagine they went from writing Unchained, Full Bug, and Sinner's Swing to that type of music in such a short period of time. Wish I could see the look on DLR's face when some of the more sappy tracks were presented to him in 1985.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightningBolt View Post

    I've found myself wanting to pull for WVH over the years - I never would have had the chance to see DLR front Van Halen live without his efforts and I still rock out to ADKOT all of the time. Although a true reunion would have been preferable, it seems very likely that nothing would have happened without him. I'll always salute him for that. However, the way he portrays himself on social media / in the regular media has been a huge turnoff over the years. This article is just another example of that. Trolling the fans, whining, etc... It is personally difficult to stomach and makes it very unlikely I'll consider supporting his efforts going forward. I tried with his music and just can't get into it.
    Probably nothing would have happened with Dave had Ed not brought Wolfgang into the band. That had solely to do with Ed wanting to play with his son. Understandable, I suppose, and if that's what it took to get Dave back in the group as a fan one could either accept it or not. Nothing I would salute Wolfgang for - being Ed's child - in and of itself, though. Seems a bit silly to, because frankly it wasn't anything Wolfgang had a choice about. But...yeah, in the end seemingly one of the things that appeared to motivate Ed to get back with Roth, tour again, perform again and eventually get sober again was his son. Again, if that's one of the things it took to get Ed out of his tailspin, I can't consider it anything other than a net positive.

    Wolfgang comes off like he has (also understandable, I suppose) an entitled attitude. I suppose given who his father was he literally does re: whatever degree of control he now has over his father's estate. Wolfgang would also be far from the first celebrity persona who makes unappealing comments on social media (plenty of non-famous people do the same). All of that is secondary to the music. I mean, nothing Wolfgang has done publicly has come even close to making me feel by default unaccepting of any of his professional output. He didn't molest underage children, for example. Thus, I gave the Mammoth tunes a fair shake. Couldn't get into them, either. Maybe Wolfgang will come up with something musically down the line I will enjoy. I wouldn't say it was impossible. As a Van Halen fan, I'd just as soon Wolfgang keep whatever feelings he has about Roth to himself. Roth earned his place in Van Halen. So did Eddie. Thus, when Ed and Dave went at each other in the press, they both had earned the right to do it. Wolfgang was born on third base and waved into home plate on a technicality: Wolfgang never earned his place in that band. His father gave it to him. There is a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightningBolt View Post
    Your post prompted me to listen through several of these last weekend. There are a few where it makes you wonder what could have been, although, I don't really like the guitar tone for reasons I can't explain (I'm no musician - Good Enough and 5150 are examples of that). I can't stand the way the instrumentation sounds on the OU812 and F.U.C.K. songs. Wish they had saved the instrumental for Humans Being for the 1996 "reunion" or for the ADKOT era, that track rips without you know who over top of it.

    Also briefly clicked through the instrumentals for Dreams, Feels So Good, and a few other keyboard songs. Man, those have not aged well and I could handle only about 30 seconds a pop. Bad even without SH's singing/lyrics. Hard to imagine they went from writing Unchained, Full Bug, and Sinner's Swing to that type of music in such a short period of time. Wish I could see the look on DLR's face when some of the more sappy tracks were presented to him in 1985.
    I believe one of those sappy tracks presented to Dave in '85 was Dreams.

    Yeah I would've said wtf to that as well.
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    Think the only 5150 album tunes I might have even wanted Dave to take a stab at were maybe Good Enough, Get Up, Summer Nights and the title track. And even some of those were kinda pedestrian just guitar-wise in comparison to the CVH stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Think the only 5150 album tunes I might have even wanted Dave to take a stab at were maybe Good Enough, Get Up, Summer Nights and the title track. And even some of those were kinda pedestrian just guitar-wise in comparison to the CVH stuff.
    I believe Dave did work on Summer Nights or whatever they were calling it before it became that. And maybe Good Enough as Ed had the general riff from one of the tracks he did for the Wild Life.

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