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    Tapes that kill

    Amazing count in by Tommy Lee.

    Needs more dancers...


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    LOL Was gonna post this. And we were worried about Vince. I would think Tommy, behind Nikki, would be the last one to mime...
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    Needs more dancers? Just replace the band with dancers and play more backing tracks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    LOL Was gonna post this. And we were worried about Vince. I would think Tommy, behind Nikki, would be the last one to mime...
    Yeah, I would have thought that too re: Tommy. From what I can see and hear in the clip, he looks and sounds like he's playing well enough along with the backing track after that pre-recorded hi-hat count-in.

    Nice to see Vince lost all that weight...but I shouldn't be too harsh. After all, the guy only had two years between the tour's covid cancellation and now to do it. Fat useless fuck, although his vocals - assuming they are live - aren't QUITE as terrible as some other clips I've seen. Then again, it's the first song of the set.

    Actually, it was kinda nice to see Mick Mars still alive and chugging along. Looked and sounded like his solo was live, at least. When I think about how Mars looked like he was at death's door nearly twenty years ago when the band reformed for that VH1 special and subsequent tour, it's cool that he's still going and able to tour.

    I mean, fuck it. Let those motley meatheads keep grinding it out as long as they want to and as long as people wanna see it. What am I gonna say, that I haven't lost a step or two myself post-50 years old in my mundane, non-rock star existence?
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    Mick has a new solo album in the can. Ray Luzier plays drums on it. It probably would have been released by now if this stadium tour hadn't come up. It was going to be released, then the stadium tour came up, then Motley's people didn't want it released, then Covid, then the rescheduled stadium tour. Fuck. I hope Crue ends this garbage tour soon and Mick puts this album out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Yeah, I would have thought that too re: Tommy. From what I can see and hear in the clip, he looks and sounds like he's playing well enough along with the backing track after that pre-recorded hi-hat count-in.
    Yeah to be fair I think he is playing live but to a click so that the piped in backing vocals and a little rhythm guitar sync up.

    But it you do that you lose the energy of a non click track performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Yeah to be fair I think he is playing live but to a click so that the piped in backing vocals and a little rhythm guitar sync up.

    But it you do that you lose the energy of a non click track performance.
    The rest of Crue always complained that Tommy would change tempo often.
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    It just doesn't look like a lot of fun to me. Watching rock in a stadium in daylight and you have almost lost me already but add how tired it all looks. I walked out of the last Def Leppard show I was at after 30 minutes and it looks as though 10 years later they are way way less interesting now. Poison a notoriously poor band live look the meh highlight.

    If you gave me a ticket for nothing I wouldn't go.

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    $15 beers for a two hour show is one thing. $15 beers for a show that starts at 3 pm, fuck that!

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    You would need to smuggle something in to alter your mind or be on some sort of VIP thing.

    Hey if people enjoy it good luck to them but I know I wouldn't.

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    Is the current stadium show lineup Joan Jett, Poison, Def Leppard and Motley Crue?

    Even putting the bands to one side, let's say each of them conservatively do an hour set (probably longer, but whatever). That's a 4 hour stadium show, minimum, and I'd guess would probably be closer to 6 hours or more. Maybe, like Sesh says, some sort of VIP thing. Maybe if there were private box seat packages available, complete with comfortable folding La-Z-Boy lounge chairs and halfway decent catered food and a decent, private restroom. I don't have the need to spend 6 hours standing up with nothing to eat other than shitty, overpriced sports venue food and - as twona says - cheap beer at $15 a pop. Not for these bands or any other group. I'm guessing such a VIP package as I described would run 1 to 2 thousand a ticket, easy. Well, I saw 3 out of the 4 groups in the 1980s in their prime for roughly $15 to $20 a pop. None of these groups are a 100x better now than they were nearly 40 years ago, so why would I pay 100x more now to see them? Inflation?

    Went to enough stadium concerts in the 1980s to satisfy that experience. That VIP package I described sounds like something I'd rather enjoy now as a pay-per-view at home. Given those bands, I'd be willing to pay...say, $20 bucks for a home simulcast. And even then, with those bands, I'd probably be dozing off periodically sitting there at home watching it.

    But I'm assuming these stadium shows are well-attended. Clearly, enough people want to see it re: financial viability.

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    I have zero interest in going to a stadium show ever again. In fact, I'm very close to being done with arenas too.

    Only one band I'd see in a stadium right not. Rammstein. And that's because that's the only place you can see them.

    They should have titled this tour "The Ripping Off Dumb People In Stadiums All Across America Tour".

    I agree with Terry. I'd rather watch a big show (not this one) streamed on pay per view. This is why I so long for one of the old VH shows to have an upgraded official release. I could sit on my couch and watch it over and over. It would sound great and I wouldn't have to deal with idiots.

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    I agree with Von for once, I'd rather sit on my balls than watch this fumbling shitshow. That being said, Neil sounds better than I would've thought and actually enunciates the lyrics (no "tweet bot the nooks that ill") - assuming he is singing with no backing track...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I agree with Von for once, I'd rather sit on my balls than watch this fumbling shitshow. That being said, Neil sounds better than I would've thought and actually enunciates the lyrics (no "tweet bot the nooks that ill") - assuming he is singing with no backing track...
    Neil did sound a bit better than I would have thought, but I chalk that up to it being the opening song: even during his last concert tour in 1977, Elvis - fat and stoned as he was - managed to hit his cues for his set opener (usually C.C. Rider) night after night. It may be the same case with Neil, where a few tunes in he is already wheezing and out of breath from having to stay vertical for more than 15 consecutive minutes at one go.

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    Vince Neil at the Grand Ole Opry!


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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Vince Neil at the Grand Ole Opry!

    Do you have a close-up of the gigling backup singer on the left? lol
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    The YouTube comments seem mainly positive.

    When I was at the Grand Ole Opry here it felt like being in a mixture of an asylum and a place for people who had traumatic brain injuries,

    I'm sure they would have cheered too and hey if they are happy that's nice.

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    I mean, that song was lame even back in 1985.

    Then again, can't say as I'm much of a fan of that country pop twaddle that started rearing it's ugly head in the late 1990s, either.

    30 years ago, doubtless Vince Neil performing at The Opry would have been somewhat noteworthy. These days, barely even worth a half-raised eyebrow...certainly not with him playing Home Sweet Home, at any rate. His vocal on that wasn't terrible. Who knows if it was piped in or not: if it was actually live, he's sounded much, much worse as of late.

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    I was done with these klowns over 30 years ago, and was only marginally interested in them before that.
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    How did Mick Marrs become the best musician in Mötley Pöö?

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    I don't know the Steely Dan song but that works well- just enough Vince.

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    John 5 is rumored to be Mars' replacement.

    Mick Mars Retires From Touring

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    Motley Crue has announced that guitarist and founding member Mick Mars is retiring from touring.

    A statement from the band, published by Variety, noted that Mars' retirement was "due to his ongoing painful struggle with Ankylosing Spondylitis (A.S.)." The statement further clarified that "Mick will continue as a member of the band, but can no longer handle the rigors of the road."

    Mars had always been the elder statesman of Motley Crue. Born in 1951 (though some have questioned the accuracy of that year), the rocker originally named Robert Alan Deal was more than seven years older than all of his Crue bandmates. Health issues plagued Mars throughout his career, most notably the aforementioned ankylosing spondylitis, a chronic, inflammatory form of arthritis that has gradually impaired his movement.

    This is certainly not the first time one of the core members of Motley Crue has departed. Among the more memorable lineup changes, frontman Vince Neil was replaced by John Corabi from 1992 to '96, and drummer Tommy Lee left the group for three years around the turn of the millennium to pursue other musical endeavors. Still, Mars has been a mainstay in the famously volatile band. Assuming this is indeed the end of his touring Crue tenure, the final stop of the Stadium Tour, Sept. 9 in Las Vegas, will prove to have been his last performance with the group.

    Motley Crue recently announced plans for a 2023 world tour alongside Def Leppard, who co-headlined the wildly successful 2022 Stadium Tour trek. The band has not yet officially named a replacement for Mars in their touring lineup.

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    I'm glad if John 5 is getting a big pay day, he's a great musician and seems to have a good attitude. Also a friend of the site through Von.

    I got messaged immediately last week to tell me Crue and Leppard are playing the stadium here next year but as I said above I'm not interested unless I get a freebie VIP. John 5 playing actually makes a bit more interesting but I imagine he will stick very close to the albums.
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    He'll be bored playing Mick Mars' parts. Kind of like Steve Stevens having to play them when he was in Vince Neil's first solo band.

    5 didn't play with Rob Zombie a month ago, Zombie's original guitarist played the show. Reading about that was like reading a celeb breakup story on TMZ: "John 5 and Rob Zombie don't follow each other on Insta any more! Does that mean John 5 is out?"

    I guess I'd rather have John 5 in Motley Crue than Dave Navarro.

    Blabbermouth added this to their Mars story:

    Speculation about John 5's involvement with CRÜE gained strength after the longtime ROB ZOMBIE guitarist failed to appear with the shock rocker at this year's Aftershock festival in Sacramento. Rob was instead joined on stage by returning guitarist Mike Riggs for the first time since 2006.

    John 5 has reportedly already dismissed the rumor of him touring with CRÜE. After a fan commented on an old photo of Mars and John 5 on the latter's Instagram, and asked whether the 52-year-old guitarist was indeed joining CRÜE on the road, John 5 replied in a since-deleted comment: "No, just a rumor."

    John 5 spoke about his close friendship with MÖTLEY CRÜE bassist Nikki Sixx in a 2019 interview with Outburn. At the time he said: "Nikki, he's my best friend. We love each other. He has inspired me and taught me so much about life in general. He's a phenomenal songwriter, lyricist, author, everything. He's always telling me to listen to this audio book or see this movie. He has a happy marriage, a happy life, a successful band he started from the ground up. He's one of the most inspiring people. He'll text me all the time to read something or try something. It's wonderful. He's a phenomenal photographer as well. I remember him telling me that he’s going to take bass lessons again and get into playing with his fingers. He was so dedicated. We worked on 'The Dirt' soundtrack together. When we went into the studio, he did it all with his fingers. [MÖTLEY CRÜE drummer] Tommy Lee was like, 'Look at you.' He's just such a dedicated person. I loved ['The Dirt'] movie; it was killer."
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    Is Performing With A Backing Track Cheating? My Opinion...

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    There's a big difference in doing something like The Who did with Baba O'Riley.... if you're doing a set list that only has one or two songs with keyboard parts ("Won't Get Fooled Again" being the other one) then it makes sense to use a track for those two songs, rather than hiring a keyboard player & having extra instruments & equipment to haul around all over the planet for what amounts to a very minor portion of the show. Of course even with technology, these things can sometimes go very bad, if the tracks don't sync up with the live instruments....



    On the other hand, Queen has been playing the "opera" section of Bohemian Rhapsody from tape for years, even when Freddie was alive, and they always seemed to pull it off. With all the multi-tracked vocals in that part of the song, it's not hard to guess why. Couldn't reproduce that live... and certainly not with an inferior singer like LAMEbert.

    But there's a big difference between that, and doing what Motley Crue & Kiss are doing with their tapes.... which is covering up for the fact that the old farts simply can't play their own songs anymore.

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    It's official

    https://ultimateclassicrock.com/motl...n-5-mick-mars/

    Motley Crue has announced that guitarist John 5 will replace Mick Mars in the band's touring lineup.

    "While change is never easy, we accept Mick's decision to retire from the band due to the challenges with his health," Motley Crue wrote in a statement. "No doubt will it take an absolutely outstanding musician to fill Mick's shoes, so we are grateful that our good friend John 5 has agreed to come on board and join us moving forward." Mars, a co-founding member who had been in the group for 41 years, recently announced he was retiring from touring "due to his ongoing painful struggle with Ankylosing Spondylitis."

    A statement from the band clarified that "Mick will continue as a member of the band, but can no longer handle the rigors of the road."

    "To say 'enough is enough' is the ultimate act of courage," Motley Crue continued. "Mick's sound helped define Motley Crue from the minute he plugged in his guitar at our very first rehearsal together. The rest, as they say, is history."

    Stepping in for Mars will be John 5, a guitarist with a long resume that includes work with David Lee Roth, Marilyn Manson and Rob Zombie. He also has an extensive history in Motley Crue’s orbit. John 5 co-wrote three of the songs for the soundtrack to The Dirt: "Crash and Burn,” "Ride With the Devil" and "The Dirt (Est. 1981)." He also shared a writing credit on the 2011 Sixx:A.M. single "Lies of the Beautiful People.” In 2021, John 5 joined Nikki Sixx, Zombie and drummer Tommy Clufetos in the supergroup L.A. Rats.

    John 5 had served as Zombie's guitarist since 2005, but he was noticeably absent from the singer's recent performance. During an Oct. 6 set at the Aftershock festival in Sacramento, John 5 was replaced by Mike Riggs, who previously served in Zombie’s band from 1997 to 2003. No reason for the change was given at the time. "I'm honored to carry on Mick's legacy and am looking forward to playing these songs," John 5 noted in a statement.

    Mars' departure from Motley Crue's touring lineup leaves Sixx as the only constant member of the group since its formation. The band recently announced plans for a 2023 world tour alongside Def Leppard, who co-headlined alongside Motley Crue for the successful 2022 Stadium Tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    On the other hand, Queen has been playing the "opera" section of Bohemian Rhapsody from tape for years, even when Freddie was alive, and they always seemed to pull it off.
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    And put them on stage. A stadium stage with old farts on it is a big space to fill anyway, stop being cheapskates and pay people to sing backup and play keyboards and rhythm guitar upstage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    It's official

    https://ultimateclassicrock.com/motl...n-5-mick-mars/

    Motley Crue has announced that guitarist John 5 will replace Mick Mars in the band's touring lineup.

    "While change is never easy, we accept Mick's decision to retire from the band due to the challenges with his health," Motley Crue wrote in a statement. "No doubt will it take an absolutely outstanding musician to fill Mick's shoes, so we are grateful that our good friend John 5 has agreed to come on board and join us moving forward." Mars, a co-founding member who had been in the group for 41 years, recently announced he was retiring from touring "due to his ongoing painful struggle with Ankylosing Spondylitis."

    A statement from the band clarified that "Mick will continue as a member of the band, but can no longer handle the rigors of the road."

    "To say 'enough is enough' is the ultimate act of courage," Motley Crue continued. "Mick's sound helped define Motley Crue from the minute he plugged in his guitar at our very first rehearsal together. The rest, as they say, is history."

    Stepping in for Mars will be John 5, a guitarist with a long resume that includes work with David Lee Roth, Marilyn Manson and Rob Zombie. He also has an extensive history in Motley Crue’s orbit. John 5 co-wrote three of the songs for the soundtrack to The Dirt: "Crash and Burn,” "Ride With the Devil" and "The Dirt (Est. 1981)." He also shared a writing credit on the 2011 Sixx:A.M. single "Lies of the Beautiful People.” In 2021, John 5 joined Nikki Sixx, Zombie and drummer Tommy Clufetos in the supergroup L.A. Rats.

    John 5 had served as Zombie's guitarist since 2005, but he was noticeably absent from the singer's recent performance. During an Oct. 6 set at the Aftershock festival in Sacramento, John 5 was replaced by Mike Riggs, who previously served in Zombie’s band from 1997 to 2003. No reason for the change was given at the time. "I'm honored to carry on Mick's legacy and am looking forward to playing these songs," John 5 noted in a statement.

    Mars' departure from Motley Crue's touring lineup leaves Sixx as the only constant member of the group since its formation. The band recently announced plans for a 2023 world tour alongside Def Leppard, who co-headlined alongside Motley Crue for the successful 2022 Stadium Tour.
    Who's replacing the other three posers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    There's a big difference in doing something like The Who did with Baba O'Riley.... if you're doing a set list that only has one or two songs with keyboard parts ("Won't Get Fooled Again" being the other one) then it makes sense to use a track for those two songs, rather than hiring a keyboard player & having extra instruments & equipment to haul around all over the planet for what amounts to a very minor portion of the show. Of course even with technology, these things can sometimes go very bad, if the tracks don't sync up with the live instruments....



    On the other hand, Queen has been playing the "opera" section of Bohemian Rhapsody from tape for years, even when Freddie was alive, and they always seemed to pull it off. With all the multi-tracked vocals in that part of the song, it's not hard to guess why. Couldn't reproduce that live... and certainly not with an inferior singer like LAMEbert.

    But there's a big difference between that, and doing what Motley Crue & Kiss are doing with their tapes.... which is covering up for the fact that the old farts simply can't play their own songs anymore.
    Personally, certainly when it comes to rock music, I prefer what I'm hearing at a concert to be exclusively produced live by the musicians onstage at the time of the performance.

    Realistically, those days are over when it comes to a lot of these aging bands.

    Doesn't really matter too much from my vantage point, because my concert going days are pretty much behind me. There aren't any 'living legends' out there touring that I feel I HAVE to see going forward. I've either already seen them or will be fine never seeing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    And put them on stage. A stadium stage with old farts on it is a big space to fill anyway, stop being cheapskates and pay people to sing backup and play keyboards and rhythm guitar upstage.

    It's interesting, because the most memorable shows I've seen over the last 15 years were Neil Diamond, Billy Joel, Jimmy Buffett and Garth Brooks.

    All of those guys had a lot of musicians onstage with them, but all four of those guys made sure the musicians onstage with them got a bit of spotlight time, introduced them by name, etc.

    Same when I saw The Who and The Rolling Stones in 1989.

    As opposed to when I saw Def Leppard in 2007 and Motley Crue in 2015, where the backing tapes were as important to the overall sound as anything the musicians onstage were doing.

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    Odd thing about Garth Brooks - at least back in his 90s heyday - was that he was working with two entirely different bands. One for the records & one for the road. I'm assuming the studio musicians were on the payroll of either the producer or Capitol Nashville records. His live band always recreated the songs as good or better than the album versions. You definitely knew Garth wasn't using tracks.... though his live album probably had a few overdubs on it, based on the fact that a few of the songs sounded considerably different than the actual live versions heard in concert.

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    WHY would Corabi sing a Crue song that he didn't have anything to do with? Yes, I know he was in Crue, and I kind of don't mind that record, but still.


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    Who wants to hear Crue songs on an acoustic anyways? Never got the unplugged thing. Whenever I play an acoustic including nice ones it just feels like a box with strings on it. Strings are harder to bend, the action isn’t as good and all the sustain is gone. Everything that makes rock guitar exciting is gone. Playing rock through an acoustic is like trading your Porsche for a Model T Ford and trying to drive the same on the track.

    I love the story of when Nancy Wilson asked Eddie Van Halen if he had an acoustic and he said why? Of course she didn’t like that answer and gave him one.
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